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Everyone? Welcome to another episode of forward thinking founders, where we're talking two founders about their companies, their visions for the future and how the two collided. Today I'm very excited to be talking to you, Syria, Danta Laurie, who is a very, very smart and intelligent person working on tons of things. But this is this kind of episode of this format. There's gonna be another one of those ones that's called early bets, which is pretty much where we have. Some were talking to someone who doesn't have a single company. They might be early in their career, and we just want to get to know them because I'm betting that they're gonna do the awesome things and the next 10 2030 years and that this is your chance to get to know them first. So no specific company, just Syria. So Syria. Welcome to the show. How's it going?

Good. How are you?

I'm doing great. I had a very, very productive day it by not super overwhelmingly busy, like the last couple of weeks, which is just fantastic. I love having a clear head to do a podcast like this afterwards, so I'm doing great. So for you, let's start with kind of A It's just over the high level. In true, you can say whatever you want to say about what you're working on, what you're up to, where you go to school where you don't go to school, et cetera. But it's for people literal listed in there. Like who is this person that Matt is talking? Thio? Can you just give us a little insight into who you are and what you're working on?

Sure, Sure. Uh, from Syria. I'm from the Bay Area. This is the Cupertino. So, um, basically everywhere I go in the city, I can just see apple buildings like like, for example, Like across the street to my house is in apple building. Um, but, uh, yeah, I'm serious.

I'm a high school student. I'm 18. I, um I I got a different program where I take my high school courses at college. A dis community college. So, technically, I'm not a community college doing, Ah, a little bit more advanced classes. And previously I was at Grenoble. Auto isn't an impound. This vehicle company. We build nowhere for certain companies on gum after that little research at Berkeley I working with with a professor in the lab. And currently I'm working on skilling. Aye,

aye for all. And, um, yeah, that's pretty good background from the, um uh I did so I'm gonna have floor now. Ah, few years ago, I also did robotics and hopefully get back into robotics in the future as well. Um, but yeah, I'm interested in, uh, a I in general Robotics and, uh, yeah.

All right, so this is incredible. because you said that you're 18 your a your high school student, although taking some community college courses. But you're pretty much all about a i aa, and you're you know, you work in a Ah, you mentioned you built a neural neural layer for a company. Now you're stealing a I How? I mean, one that when did you get interested in a I? And let's just start there. At what point? Where you're like, I'm interested in a I'm gonna learn how to build a I My mom was that,

um Well, I see that like a i r machine money or he burning in general, I just look at it as like, a, um with a thing like this. Like databases, right? Like like SQL are or whatever. I just see the eye of a tool. So, um, I think I mean, I d I get into Yeah, just because of the of the hype and all that stuff. I going to die because I actually did it. Um, particularly two years ago,

I was doing a robotics competition, and basically he had to create a small self during Archie Carr. And it was a small car It was like like one by 10 scale. So it was like, um because, like, a 27 inch martyr, And, uh, for that, we had to build a robot that could, uh, now to get of course on Dhe found out. Is that the only way I could do it? If I could, Only way I could do is,

uh, with machine learning on DDE. That was because my rifle pie it could not handle, um Computervision? No, because there's not enough CPU memory stuff memory, uh, to do all the computer vision that I want to do and record. I I could use some revision but didn't have the money at the time to get a better I never on the we're a lot so basically machine when he was like the only two like it used, uh, you know, get the course. And I did, and, uh, it turned out very well.

But then let's back up a little bit more. So two years ago you were doing robotics and you had a challenge. And the solution to this challenge was ability and some machine learning. I stuff. So let's didn't back up even more At what point. Did you get into robotics? I guess. What? I'm kind of what? I'm kind of, uh, getting towards like, you're already a fairly young person, but you have it some gnarly skill sets. You know, you're you're doing like robotics. A.

I know you're scaling a I guess. My question is, at what point in your life did you decide to become a technologist? And I guess the second question is, why did you start with robotics? Um, potentially. If that's what you started with or what led you to robotic. Does that make sense?

Yeah, that's a great question. Um, so the area I live in, most people start coating. Um, very young. I mean, I've seen friends who started coding, like, already school, middle school. Um, but for me, I started, um, based in high school.

I started in ninth grade. I took it intrude, too. Like a towel. A class on DDE. What really kicked off, like my entire, uh, addiction towards tech is when I went to Los Alto sax in 2017 January 2017 and we went to the hackathon. I went with a friend and I didn't know how to go at all. Like I I took an intruder. All the class. I didn't do well in the class, and I was out of the hackers on. And my friend was Cody the entire thing. I don't know how to code.

I know how it goes online. Didn't you know what term Lewis and I was shooting there at the hackathon? Uh, like, looking at all of these, like a kind of technology, Like an overload. Like IBM moves doing something. And then, like another company using other thing like swift skin, like, excellent of all the stuff at the hacker on Al just sitting there, not a code. And I have. And when it is after that hangs on, I did a little bit of work afterwards learning like I kind of aluminum or Jonah on DDE This expanding my skills a little bit more and overtime.

What happened was I went another hack of on covering. More happened on and over time, I was a little ring outside, um, outside of this hole art of both school and back on on DDE By the end of life, 2017 I was pretty good at coding. Okay. Uh, pretty good being like I was, um, familiar enough to like, uh, use all the tools code are We're familiar enough so that I can describe the Google and touch up some random thing so that I can use you that my code. Um, so I was, like,

lukewarm familiar with code by 2017 just by going to have gone and doing a little bit of work outside on. Then, uh, how are you going to robotics in particular was, uh, kind of a weird story. Um, I'm not gonna get into all of it, but basically, um, I came from I'm from a different middle school, so I didn't know it meant that many people when it kicks in high school. And when I went to the robotics team, um, I found out over time that very bad culture at our boxing. And,

um, not only that, but there's a huge history behind the rocks. He was loved, like there was, like, low yourself cells going on within. Like, for example, normally I could have one revive team for our high school, had one real boxing by our school. And, like I got arrive over boxing made by our own school uh, like a mile down at, like, some shop.

Um Hey, Brit, you're burning. Um, I got caught up in this, like talk to culture within our book box came and ended up leaving, and But I would like remarks like rhubarb in general would be fine. And I also felt like there were awash we're doing in our high school first robotics. Like I want to offend anyone. But I felt like it wasn't, um It wasn't, like, hardcore enough. I felt like like like a little body, Um, in a sense,

because, like Like, they give you like a I from what I remember it like to give you Ah, fern techtools. Ah, certain kind of stuff to do and to tell you build it. And I feel like a limit to creativity there. So I feel like both because of how revived structured on the fact that it wasn't a great working environment I left. I also felt like I needed to relax again. So what I did is I enrolled in intractable over by international economists. We're racing competition in Canada. There's like 1000 miles 1000 quality. We're done in my life. But it's a really long, long way away from my house and the reason why I'm enjoying it. Because Georgia Tech was gonna be there on.

And I also found out that the robots that competition in particular a lot of high school students you could have and you could become you didn't have to have more than one person in the genes. So because I was a single high schooler and I wanted to compete, I decided to compete. And, um, yeah, basically, the back story behind how I got into a bike liken why? I, uh, procured it.

So I grew up in Phoenix, Arizona, which is very different from growing up in the Bay Area. And I feel like people that don't grow up in the Bay Area feel like, um, it's like we watch movies like the Social Network, you know, And we just see her about, like everyone there start startups. Everyone, you know, everyone can go etcetera. But I'd love to hear from you on a spectrum of like, one being like Phoenix. Really, which means like, pretty much no one codes like Allie stand like early or very few people to like social network,

where, like everyone is coding and its launchings companies. And it's just like that started be Where would you say the reality is? Forget about the success Facebook had. But just like the cool like like the the what happened in that movie, Where Where would you say the Bay Area is in high school age? And then the second question I have is where would you put yourself on? Like the on that bone structure? I'm like like Phoenix are They are close to the Phoenix area. Closer. Like Mark Zuckerberg, in your own opinion, living in the Bay Area, if that makes sense.

Um so grant your first question. I would say, on a level from 1201 to 10

or one network. What? One man, it is cool. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. Um, I would say it's a pen.

Yeah,

that's what everyone says. Everyone. 7 10 But in reality, it's around seven. Uh, it's round. It's people say 10 because, uh, pretty much everything prepared no on, unlike the college out star general basically know how to code. But when it comes to like, do you really know how to code or are you just saying that it comes out to public. 06 or seven. And then, um uh, hold your second question again.

The second question s Oh, yeah, that's helpful to know and have a few more questions in this, uh, kind of growing up in the Bay Area. But the second question was you, you know, like, doesn't reason we got connected on Twitter. I don't know exactly when we did it, but like we did for whatever reason and the year, like as well get into or like, a pretty impressive person buildings, Cool stuff. Um, where would you would you say? You're almost,

like an anomaly of for your age? Or you like, Is there Is there hundreds or thousands of people with your skills that's just hacking on different stuff in the Bay Area? Yes, I'm just trying to understand what it's like being in high school, living up there, be having apple across the street from you, like everyone just hacking on stuff and building. And, um, and that's why the Bay Area is just a day area.

Um, so I'll go back to my point, but previously where I feel like everyone says they're attend. But reality exclusive seven. Um, right now what I like, I think that personality has definitely changed ally school on Dhe. Over time, I realized, like I shouldn't, um, like like I should, like, start telling everyone I got a code just to fit in. I should say I know how it could have really know how to code. So basically what I do now, it is almost time.

I code like a 10. Um, Andi, like a code, like a 10. But in reality, everyone 57. So technically,

I

would say like I'm in an anomaly, because I don't I don't want to say I know how to go left really hard. It could. So, um, yeah, I think I think I'm gonna anomaly of because of, like, all the people have talked to me and I feel like a while. You're in your high school, Um and yeah, yeah, I basically I tried to like Yeah, I basically kind of the attack.

Something that ideo I did when I was a little younger and still do and well, they always do. Is I do feel like I I'm not a coder. Yes, As a recent, I'm like a no coder but, like I'm morally a business person. Um, and I think I'm pretty good at business. And I feel like in some of those skills I like, could be like, you know, I might consider myself, like, high up on the scale as well. With something I always do is that whenever I meet someone new, I definitely am not like Kelly.

I'm really good at this are very good at that. I really, like, downplay myself and like when they asked, right, I give them like a liner to, and if they're interested, then they will ask more questions. And then that kind of like I will be open up a little bit. But it's like, Okay, whatever that I'm like, all right, that's your like, That's fine. If you're not interested in the two lines,

you aren't interested in the rest, which is finally high home. Take offense to it. But I like I like that like you know, your attention. But you you're not going around screaming that you're attend to everyone.

Exactly. Yeah,

so a something that's interesting to me that I experienced lightly, but I was still a little older, a little to get a little older than you is that you mentioned that you have all these people talking to you. As you know, while you're you know, you're in high school. You know, what you're doing is impressively. I'm one of these people to you, Like you're on this podcast. What? How do you How do you, um, like your psychology? How did you How do you think about all of that? And you do? Do you tend to,

like, feel like you're older than your age? Or how do you kind of have to, like, propel your maturity to mentally get to the level of these people? Or you're just being yourself, I guess. How do you manage or handle this? Maybe the attention that you're getting because of the skill set that you're that you're building and the project that you're working on, Which William we'll talk about in a second?

Um, What? I think, Yeah. So I do get a little conference, and, um, I don't I don't feel like I'm being me. I don't really feel like I have to look, act mature. I have to act a certain way. Um, and for some odd reason, like I don't take it more than face value like someone tells. Like like my manager at my internship on, Like, the people well,

being referred to it like they're all like, Oh, wow, your high school. And and they're like, Oh, how do you How do you do all this stuff? Like, I I just think things value I don't like, think too much about it. Like you like. I really appreciate it, but I don't really internalize it. Um, yeah, that's how I feel.

That's good. I mean, it's definitely good. Good, good. Wayto think about all of that. The opposite of that is letting it go to your head, which is it does not get it all. Um, cool. So, yeah, you mentioned when you were introducing yourself that you are scaling a I Can you tell me? You tell me what that means and you can go into a CZ. Much is deep detailers, little details possible. What is scaling? I mean, and it What makes you say that you wanted to scale? I I guess I want to talk about kind of one of your current projects.

Okay. Yeah. Um well, first, like, I don't really like to use, um, the trip all the time because it's a little bit high stuff for now. And, like, you know, my tagline killing I pro. I think I'm my opportunity that but basically we're trying to say is, um my basically what I feel like right now is going on. Is there so much like an insane amount of development in the research in the Accademia space? Sorry. Um,

there's so much like it's like seeing how much stuff is being produced in the activist base. Yeah, but none of that is coming to fruition. All right, there's, like Sal gone too. Convention stain, but like how you use it, how you define general viewer, Um, you have stuff like, uh, like, you could make a movie with a I but like, uh, you can't make a movie,

but you can make a lot of what, like an insane like like entering creations, and you can create insane art on you can do so many insane stuff, but that that guy isn't being available to continue to regular consumers. What I'm trying to is skilling I fraud. So that means taking what's been done in academia or taking a girl bear rating of it and then scaling up for consumers. Um, so that they can use it for whatever whatever purposes they want. Um, so simple style again too, right? I want, like, my mom to use our I want people to, like you would just use it like a like a tool. Um and yeah, that's basically what I'm working on.

So can you paint the vision of of enabling anyone to use a eye for their own life? Like, is this a you're planning on? Feel free to like, You don't have to go into the hall, do you tell if you don't want to, Let's say me, for example, like I'm like on the or technical end of the non technical people that makes sense like I can't cope. But I can do a look off Where? So you are you trying to build for, like, me? Are you trying to build for even someone not as tech savvy is me, I guess. How How are you on to enable the scaling of a I to people that don't already know? The ones and zeros of the code

got basically, um, I want to make it puts that it's a ritual. It's a embraceable tour like like ideally, I want this to flow just like you use anything else. Like, uh, suppose you're trying to crop up a background from a picture, but you couldn't go ahead and your life in service is or even you like you can move your corrector around the head and then remove the background. But I wouldn't touch that expressive by button you, whatever he I I provide are or ah, scale. And that's it, right? Just like database, right? It's like it's like a thing.

It's a tool, right? You did every other tools and I feel like that hasn't come p i for various reasons actually, like, there's so much value that that, uh, available, But it's not being we're not being available to bring American heroes. Um, so yeah, I just just like for like, regular people, like, not like non technical at all. Like they could be anyone in the world. I feel like this should be and sees that very simply,

that's powerful. E look forward to kind of see, not come to fruition. Uh, I mean, if you weaken, dive deeper into it. If you want, But I also want to open it up just like a high on a high level, Um, again, Feel free to dive deeper or good, step into the left or right direction and go into something else. But like, you're you're in a place, you know, in life,

in an age, in a location, Which kind of exposed view to Tung? Two different stuff. And I'm kind of curious to know what are some of the things that take up space in your brain? Obviously. A I is some, you know, maybe this project that you're working on it, the scaling of a I Is there any other technologies or problems or things that interest you that you spent time thinking about? Uh, whether or not you're working on a solution, just things that, like, passed through your brain every once in a while. I'd love to hear it. Just get a little insight into what you think about.

Um Well, I still think I'm still in high school. Like the only two things I focus on it. Like the project. I'm working mine on school work. Um, I think I don't think that anything else. Um, yeah. Uh Yeah,

You think so? It's interesting that because I feel like a common trait in some entrepreneurs is like they're just ideas, and they're able to execute on one idea. But the thing that you know it stabs him in the foot is like I'm getting another idea. I mean, like, what about that guy? I could definitely subscribe to this. Um, would you like it? Almost. This is called a shiny objects. And remember, whatever. Um is this something that you you don't really worry? You don't deal with Claire? You pretty, pretty, pretty focused person you would say.

Um, well, actually, I'm not. Yeah, not that. I think I'm, like, somewhat focus because I worked on this thing called Rapid Analytics. Um, in November and December on DDE I It works, but, like, it doesn't want to extend that. I wanted to work, and I haven't, like,

uh, published like, I like guys it too much. Um, but that was like a protest working on December. And then this came with the project I'm working over now. Came a lot on DDE at some point. I was like working both of them the same time. Very bad idea. but I And then well, thinking is like, maybe I can switch to wrap reality and then come back to my project. But that didn't work out. So I guess I'm pretty focused like, uh, like,

first thing I'm working on right now. I put so much time into it, but I feel like there's, like, nothing else in the world that I could be focused on for now. Um, yeah.

And do you have you developed a e? I don't know, Framework. I don't have the world framework, but you mentioned you were working on something in November. December. Now you're working on this. Do you have, like, a checklist in your head on when you like, When something is worth working on? Like if if, um or is it just kind of Do you just work on what you're interested in? Um, I guess my I guess my question is, are you method all mythological about what you work on. And right now it's this and it's strategic et cetera.

Or is that more of like, Oh, right now I'm interested in scaling. I s I'm gonna work on scale and I but if in six months I'm interested in the V. R. And I'm gonna work on that, I guess. How do you think about how to spend your time as you're still still early in your career?

Um I mean, the kind I think is the most, uh, mostly I find at the time, um, like wrapping Island, for example. First specific purpose. Um, And at that time, it sound like the most awful thing to Dio now was not. I feel like it's the most awful moving anywhere. Now, um, I just I only have a mythology. I just do, uh,

whatever. Whenever, um but yeah, I only feel like, uh there's, like, I don't even have a checklist. I just do whatever I feel like. It is best.

Definitely it. Yeah, that makes sense. And do you s So you mentioned a few things that you mean The folk scene on now are is killing me. I and your school work. Do you ever conflict? Do you ever, ever feel like you just want You just want to work on your project or company all the time? Um or did you have a healthy relationship between school and ah, your project and my second question about that is, if you don't mind me asking, you're a very capable person able to build and probably get any job you know you want in a I itt. If you don't mind me asking, what does the future look like for you? Um, you know, if you haven't come college,

are you thinking about college? Are you more so? I'm just gonna drop somewhere else. You want to start your own thing? How do you think about the future?

Um, Well, yeah, I'm most likely going to go to a four year college. Um, I don't know which one right now, Like, I've been talking to some people and they tell me you should You should go to, like, the top colleges, Ana. I go like, I think you've read the program. I feel like hacking the system.

Yeah. Yes, I did.

Yeah. That one. Yeah. So I was working. I don't think I could hack this school system, except that I wish I would, um, and because I don't like, I think I was, like a, like, a normal for your college, and then hopefully go automatically agree at a better guards. Um, there are like obviously, like some 18 or under 22. Are you looking at,

like, at fellowship? But, um, yeah, I I hope you like again. Like I just one of your mouth open. So why do normally is I? I do social ideas. I applied to have anything possible and even the conflict. Then I decide what to do, right? So simple again. Before year on, some miracle happens and I nto accelerator or getting some fellowship. Then I have to discipline my options.

Right, too. Obviously, like I'm not favorable for four year, but, um, it's still in my mind like, um, yeah, I get like, I've talked. I talked to some people and I don't know if there's tremendous value, you know, for years I have to decide that I figured out. But where I could say so far is like a lot of really, really good content online.

Like I've been binge watching. Uh uh, physically, I think it was like a Stanford Stanford session about like, where they had, like, a ton of wife alumni on dhe bunch of business stuff hasn't been driving it. It's so useful. Um, lucky. The future school is definitely online, but for my degree in particular, I have to, uh, probably go for fear.

Yeah, that makes sense. Are you referring Thio? Um I mean, there's a lot of a lot of a content on the Internet with, like, how to start a startup type stuff. Are you by chance referring to lead to the stand for course in 2014 That had a start? A startup 2014 class. Are you thinking of ones that air? Is it yet? So that's so funny, Man. That's when I first got into start upside that I'd minutes in five years. It was 2015. Yeah, literally.

It's kind of interesting because I got him to start up the day school got out my junior year of college. That's good. Just thinks we realize how old they have. What I'm talking to you like. You're so ahead of the curve. It's crazy, huh? I I feel like I have time getting started about years, but that is the that is That's what got me in. I I was into start ups. I struggled for a bit and I found that's how to start a startup. That content is incredible. Like Holy shit. No It's just that is the gold mine of startup knowledge and no one will ever compete with. Honestly, I don't think you I c can't even compete with themselves. What a great series of convert. A series of lectures.

Yeah, it's amazing.

So you mentioned in there, uh, you know, the old fellowship you mentioned? I think a couple of those things and I kind of brings up this new age of credentials with, like, the tool fellowship being a critic, actually, if you're a teal fellow, you're kind of a badass. If you're a pioneer is newer. But if you're like a pioneer, you're kind of a badass, if you are. Why Selim like that? You know, all these things that are remember what are valued by a lot of people.

Do you Do you spend much time thinking about obtaining these when you were credentials? Uh, just credentials in general. I mean, you have skills right now. Here's Du Vieux credentials in a certain way. Do you want to get, um, do you care about them? I'm talking about more. So, like these newer types of credentials, what's your view on the new credentials?

Um, I don't like that with all this, the public credentials, it's like what will happen if you move out of the valley? I cannot go to Bakersfield If I go to like you got, like, I don't think it will know what it feels solid eggs or what a light works, wifey. Right? And by using my school, like, if I asked him, what do I feel like they were? No. Right. So I think if you want to get specifically startup system, uh,

then yeah, these these great. Um, but I think about building a long time for these credentials to matter outside of very, um, Holden. Because on yeah, like, honestly, I wish I could get, uh, like, like, for example, right to be in the value to extent, you have to have to go send for great.

Like, there's a lot of you who've gone to Stanford at one point. Our lives like that's a pretty standard torrential tohave to an extent. Um, and I obviously like hopefully one day I'll strike to be to get that, but yeah, I think the correct wisdom is like developing, and, um yeah, Archie, out how it goes.

So that's so interesting. You say that that if you go somewhere else, the credentials matter less. And I totally agree. I live in Phoenix and no one gives a shit that I have any of it. I mean, no, no one cares here about, but no one even knows The pioneer is a very few people know why. See, like you like no one cares how I feel you on the other side. What is kind of the reason, I think the widely I I put some weight into these credentials and why. You know, one day I might get one or two or whatever. Whatever happens if God created my own with the podcast, who knows?

But regardless, it's because the Internet has is almost has its own economy. And although I live in Phoenix and I'm you know, I'm in Phoenix right now, I am digitally somewhere else and like that's pretty much where it really is, like pretty much San Francisco. So I just think this isn't to debunk your point. I totally agree, but it's just interesting. What the Internet is enabling is like I have my like, people are surprised to know that I don't live in SF, but I don't like. I don't spend any time there, but I virtually d'oh doing so if I the credential. It helped my virtual self more than my physical self. And is that is that, like, a week late? Is that Is that the future like you almost virtual Selves that don't kind of different from your physical self? Do you kind of know what I mean by that?

Yeah. I don't like the things that, um it's like, uh, yeah, it comes back. You started because it's like unless, like you Unless, like, you want to be in this because it's been forever, it's hard to like. Validate yourself outside. Um, I don't really know if he'll ever like, I don't know, become a wifey. Alumni will ever like be like a nationally recognized financial,

but yeah, I definitely feel you when it comes to, uh, like online production, like online, like, people know what you're but the credential bar, and I feel like Yeah, in a sense, I guess this will, like produced, like a new system of credential is, um where, like, it's like supposedly like another pioneer, right? I feel like in the online space belle be like valuable to help the other pioneer potential. But there are always being disconnected, like to a real world.

So this we're gonna get a little wacky for a second. So there's this, um, quote by I don't listen to this him much anymore, but I used to drink him up totally. Gary V. You're pretty much, um, he said it. He had There was this Jerry Mander tracks said this like thing. That's like parents are telling their kids to get off their phones. On what he was very saying. It's like we're not going back like we're not gonna be on our phones. And when they put them down, we're only gonna get closer tour until the phones air. You know, until the phones are glasses,

then you know the contact lenses than implants or whatever. So and then and then if we're fusing once technology like that, it makes me kind of wonder that I'm not, like, necessarily looking for an answer here, actually want really good of the Internet, the all nine world it become as important, if not more important than our physical world, especially if I can promote work is like a bigger thing I I don't know. It's just kind of something. I spent a lot of time thinking about it. I put stock on the Internet. Not literally, but I mean, I put time and whether I do this podcast and like no one in Phoenix with hello, You know, I don't know. I guess I'm just interested to see what will happen.

Yeah, it's like some black mirror episode where we're, um Everything is shifting online on. Yeah, I think I agree with you. I feel like this will be lowered. Jumping into is like, but he has mostly two personalities. Where One of them real life. Unwanted online on DDE. The online one. I guess if you're in the start, because some more from the tech, because system very youthful. But in real life uh, yeah, yeah. Big topic to talk about, but yeah,

like light.

If you're in the right ecosystem, the on long room What on my one will be great. Um, yeah,

Yeah. See for me. Well, even switch topics in in just a second. But like for me, I just thinkit's I like that. I can be that I don't think I'm a big deal to get all I'm definitely not. But like I'm, I've developed a certain level of clout which, like leads meal that you be able to help some amount of people I can connect people you know, have a decent network in San Francisco. It's better. I feel like I'm doing fine for myself. But in Phoenix, I'm a pretty much of nobody. And it just kind of funny because, like,

they are all these events, they entrepreneurship and I always wanted beyond panels and seek out there like you're like, You're like, you know, um, you know, you haven't I don't know. It's just like they don't see the digital personality, and I don't blame him. For now, I'm just like I think I can help this. So that's another That's a whole another thought. Gasto phoenix. Um uh, Anyways, anyways,

Okay, So what are some? You answer your question on, uh, on different things that you're spend time thinking about which mean and your answer was like schoolwork and what you're working on now, which means you're very focused, which is good. But let's like, let me give you an opportunity to not be focused. Let's say you're your company or your project. Where do you want to call that you're working on Now it gets bought out for true enough money to make you take the deal. Like a 1,000,000,000 bucks, whether some water, some things that you would work on the next. What? Just interest you.

Even if you know nothing about it. Could DVR It could be health back. It could be education. Well, just what are some things you would do if you had, you know, unlimited time

other than the eye?

Um, yeah, you're like a I And like, other than what you're doing now, it can involve a I just kind of curious, like other, any other technologies or, you know, kind of platform shifts that are happening that interest you at all to potentially work on one day. Are you really just, like, all in on what you're doing now? And you know nothing else really interest you at all, which isn't a bad thing. But I guess there any technologies are in peak your interest, it'll

we'll learn. To be honest, I might have liked to many years of experience in the text based, So I obviously like a pretty pretty, uh knowledge, too, to like a lot of, ah, love the fields in general. So, yeah, I don't really have experience or our understanding to the level of interest of anything else lives in like, um, a mission learning, um, infrastructure stealing on DDE, uh,

and kind of vehicles like, I think pretty like willingly to like what I know and what I'm interested in. So I think, uh, yeah, I am pretty much only interested in what I'm working on her now.

Yeah, this way. I actually I have one question going back. So I guess your roots. I don't know if you have an answer, but I'm gonna ask anyways, so immigrants of robotics, that's where you started it. And then now you're doing Moray. I stuff. I'm kind of curious. Is it something I've always wondered? I only have ever asked anyone that's on the on the podcast. So Boston Dynamics is like crushing it with robots. They're doing some crazy stuff that we're listening. And you don't know what Boston Dynamics is probably seen. The video of there is of the robot's doing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, you've seen it, but it's not anyone listening like you've probably seen a video of these robots doing crazy stuff. Two What? I don't know. There's, like, a defensive question to them. But why did they exist? Like it's not just for showmanship, right?

Like they're they're still selling those robots. Or are they? Like, I don't know. You just educate me if you know the answer on, Like what they're doing on its

okay? Yeah. Um, I think, uh, I'm somewhere, actually. Is there helping construction companies that took small cells? Um, and they're like helping shipping and stuff about, but I really feel like people are underestimating the rapid acceleration in both. Anything. I I don't know about robotics, but I know definitely huge exploration there that people are not talking about. And that's what I like. I have to like, we're like you on when he said that the guy's dangerous. I definitely believe in that, Um, I have you heard of reinforced with money?

Yeah, I I'm pretty sure I know what I mean. That's that's not 18.

That's not a bowling green for learning that a learning all this stuff like I don't have too much experience because I don't have a computer But I definitely know that that I like countries and malicious cos air or like organizations in general who have large there who have access to our computers. But they can definitely do a lot of lot of stuff that see what I'm talking about. But in particular, like Boston Dynamics there again, just automating, uh, like Labour away. And I think, you know, always calculus on Joe Rogan podcast a while back. But I think that with this space, we'll come to a point where we don't you do in legal work and we'll just focus on, like, really creative work. Um, because I think I mean, at least with the paper going right now,

I really believe that Boston Dynamics will, or at least in the box space, that companies will create robots that can do these tasks very efficiently. And very I am without error. And, um, I mean body. And right now there aren't eating for most purposes. But I feel like there's definitely gonna be a company that they could do it for military purposes. And I feel like, yeah, everything that a lot of really on the automated away

Are you Are you familiar? with, um, an drill.

Yeah, that one made by, uh, name,

but for the

likes of the president. Yeah, that guy would be lucky and use that howling care. I think it's working.

So he was that he started Oculus, and then he sold that

guy.

Okay, Yeah. Yeah, Well, I just They're building there. Their big on a I for sure. And they're, um actually, I had a perception of calmer in my head because of the media. And then I listen to a couple of park Taskings on it. Doesn't you hate the media is so much more than just like this guys, a good a good person. Like he's like, chill. And he is good. A good direction and vision, and it just it's just a semi.

Anyway, I don't want to get into that, but I think I kind of sounds like an drill. Would be an example of robots and a I being used for military clothes. Exactly who the customer is.

Yeah, I feel like so we're disregarding ethics. I think Andrew is definitely, like another startup. That makes sense because of what's going on in the box. And I feel Andi, I really feel like animal could definitely put a huge company the future. Um, I don't know how how, like how big and scary that would be in the future. But I think what they're doing in the Tech technically is really nice. Or like, um, yeah, it's like they make sense like what they're doing

for sure. Yeah, if you if you're into that stuff definitely trying out one of the podcast that Palmer was on, just just that I just a smart dude. And he's the fact that he's exactly my age. Just blew my mind. Exactly. The build Oculus sold it. Now, if you feel like what What? What a guy? Well, cool. So we're running out of time, so I'm gonna go to the last couple of questions. So is there anything that's right now, as you mentioned when we first started this,

like, trying to go for this is people to get to know you a little bit. Maybe they think you're maybe whatever they were you shot on Twitter, which will get your handle in a second. Um, but it's just to introduce you to the world, and then people can follow you on your path whatever you end up doing. So I guess with that in mind that do you have any thing that you want people to know about you or that you haven't said, uh, that you want to say that, Miss Ellie, Let it be known anything about you. I don't know anything that you feel like we didn't cover. Feel free to mention it. Now we can definitely talk about it.

Um, well, I, um Mmm.

You don't have to if you don't have anything. But if you have something that's also chill,

well, I mean, I again, I'm focused on what I'm doing. So maybe I'll just talk about where I'm working on right now. Um, and that's particularly in like, uh, the infrastructure. And, um, I like what, Like this company oxide computer has heard about it?

Uh, no, I don't think that now.

So, like, oxide computers, at least what I think they're doing is that their building servers for people to have a home. And I like that paper direction because, like so, first of all, like, uh, I'm grateful from appearance with the Google cloud. Right? Or, like cloud in general?

Yep. Verify. I'm pretty familiar. with how it works. Yeah,

yeah. So it's just like when I was looking at that price is a bit more carefully recently, Like, I just find it really insane that you're paying their yards a month for very small, very small occupant beauty won t view and like, one big about Aram, like, what can you do with that? Like, maybe you could host one website, but that definitely isn't. That doesn't even work every day, like a month. So I feel like, um hopefully my vision is that a lot more people we'll start building, like serving at home instead of relying on gruel cloud like right now for me, for example.

I'm using, like, a really old dustup with my dad died gave me and, like, three right, three pies, um, you know, in parallel to, like, scale up at feel up, like, all up placing all the service is I'm running, and I feel like, uh, that's really cool.

And it's really cool that you can just post your own stuff on your own, uh, old desktop on dhe using Docker. You could just run all the stuff scale reliably. And, um, yeah, I really like uh, intersection stuff and yeah,

yeah, that's, um I can I can almost like, Sounds like decentralized rivers. Almost like instead of using amazons, you know, and spend their jewels and spending the premium. Just do it in your in your bra, Josh. You know, and sell that for last price, but still keep some profit. Uh, makes sense to me. Exactly.

Yeah, like I think that's what That's what I'm interested in right now. Um, yeah. That stuff in the eye and rode bikes last to read the vast basin, All the species I really feel like Well, Alex, Right now, Mrs Shingle,

that's that's good. I mean, right now and not even right at your age. But like any age, whether you're my age, you're 35. Any age, it's important to be interested in a lot of things at the same time. Be interested a lot of things, but focus on a few because they were doing too many things. That is your that. Looting everything. That's like that's like, one thing that I've been challenged with, although I am getting better at it. Uh, well,

cool. Well, my last question for you before we log off and also before my computer dies is how can the forward thinking for founder's community help you? You have. Ah, you know, it's the stuff going on. I don't know where you're at. Like in regards to need help with anything. We can definitely get your twitter handle in a second. Um, but is there any way that anyone listening can help you with anything? Whether it's beta testing doing, you will follow anything like that. Feel free to make it ask.

Um, yeah. I mean, I think that's about to get cracking me. Um, I don't know. I guess I'm just saying, you know, like I really, like, really enjoy people thing. Mel, Uh, and I really enjoy many people in real life. Um, I I think I mean again, if you have any experience in a state,

feel free to contact me and you a, um I'm not to. My experience is limited. I really like talking to people who have experienced in the field. So, yeah, I would love to get in contact with anyone who has experiencing, like instructor A. I r ah, Congress vehicles, whatever.

Awesome. And then the final question before we wrap it up is Can you Ah, please drop er, Twitter handle. Some wants to follow you on Twitter. What's your name on Twitter or what's your handle? So they can find you and give you a fall? It,

uh, my doctor handled Syria. Be for your tea. Uh oh. Are you can find it on s Dan, which is s as in sam d n dot io slash trader. Uh, that was shortly to my Twitter. Any time. If I do change it. Um, but yeah, before me. Ah, get me whatever you

said that you should all follow him on Twitter. That's how I don't how big it can. I don't know exactly how we are connected, but now we're like Twitter pals way tweet a lot, which is great. That's that's That's how I like e. I don't know. I don't know how it happened, but glad it did. Well, cool man. Well, thanks for coming on to the podcast. Keep bubble. You're doing definitely down to have you back on it. You know, whenever as you progress in what you're doing and just keep up the good work.

Yeah, thanks. Okay. Thank you, everyone, for tuning into that episode. I hope you really enjoyed it. And luckily, there's another one coming up real soon. But before then, I have a couple things to tell you. First, if you're listening to this and you think you're working on something cool or you think you're smart, hit me up on Twitter. I am at Matt underscores Sherman, and that is Matt with one team.

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