Yes. Go. So we are here this episode. Very special episode. We have two unusual people joining us. Unusual two people that air so unusual we had to just get them onto the podcasts and talkto. Uh, so today we are talking about android. L were with Jim, who works of fun size. Say hello, Jim. Howdy. And we also have Brian Griffey. Brian, can you tell us a little bit about yourself

a little bit about myself? Uh, let's see. Uh, I'm an android developer. I've been Andrey developer for, like for five years. In this point beginning of time. Yeah, pretty much like since the beginning of Android. I currently work at a home way that places, like, ever known shops happy and currently working with fun size of my own little apple. Interesting.

We care to share that, Or do we want to just kind of keep a hole called the cards close to our chest that fateful moment.

He's been doing a lot of Iowa, so I don't know, I e right on this

one, So yeah, which is interesting. We'll talk about it. Yeah, later. I started spring that on you while we're actually recording so all right, so I actually don't know much about this topic at all. So I thought I will play the listener that does not know about Android. L and you guys can just kind of, like, go through your talking points. Jim kind of laid out a couple of things, Jim, actually, you've never on the podcast

before when she introduced yourself. Oh, man, My name is Jim. Designer, fun size first timer. Pretty excited beyond this. Yeah, um, one thing we gotta correct before we continue with this is that used to be called Android Ella when the debate or whatever the first thing was shown. But now they change it to a lollypop to make it, you know, friendlier with the whole. I don't mind of

candy needed. Was that honestly, I don't know. But was that planned all along? Because I heard l's Yeah,

it was like it was like, we're gonna be killing Hi. Yeah. What's it gonna be? Whatever.

Pop Tarts. Yeah. Yeah, s so cool. So the first thing we're gonna talk about is material design. So what does that mean? What is material design?

Well, just kind of what it sounds like they take a lot of cues from, like actual real life materials, like they did a lot of their design, I guess. Ideation by using paper and layering paper on top of each other to see how the light cast shadows and the textures worked together. And a lot of the U I functions actually take cues from, like, just having pieces of paper on your desk. I think they just threw bunch stuff on a desk like I don't know what to do and they looked at it like, Hey, that's

an idea. It's a nice little scenario. So is it like, does it have anything to do with, like, folding paper like origami like stuff like, You know, maybe you press a button and it, like, folds up and flies away in an airplane. It just

kind of the idea that, like everything is actually built on to like, some sort of surface, like nothing is like floating anymore. Like on the last years of Android. You have hollow, hollow, just kind of like you had stuff kind of robotic and it was just like super. It wasn't like super flab. It was flat enough that it didn't really have any like texture to it. And, you know, any, like, real substance was just kind of there. So material is kind of like everything is actually on something like, There's there's like a There's something that you're you know you're labels go onto you gonna fold it or you can bend it

Or so the hollow one was a little bit more like wasn't like, kind of like Spacey. Yeah, it's like Tron E.

Yeah. Say, like, they tried to make it like more, lest Ronnie over the years. But yeah, like like the highlight color by De Paul was like neon blue, right?

Like, wasn't it? That's what sort of the one thing that's always made me feel No pun intended but alienated. Oh, no, you didn't. From Andrew. Even the name is like android, right? So it was always like super spacing and techies. I was happy to hear you guys say that android l was a little bit more. I don't know less that because I thought, you know, cool. But I got over it pretty quick spacey type thing for, like, a west.

Yeah, it's definitely meant to be, like, more personable. And you know, like the colors are brighter. You could do a lot more stuff with it, but you could, you know, in the previous way, like you looking at you won't see your faces.

You got turned around. I should Yeah. So we can look each other, but yeah. Okay. So, Jim, he wrote down elevation. What is that about? In terms of material designed, elevation does

actually turned. Brian was like, Hey, we should like about elevation. I could paraphrase. I think you're probably better at explaining that that I would be only grandson. All right, so the thing that they added, that was kind of like the new A p I with, you know, kind of goes with this material design is a concert of elevation. So, like, no longer do you just have things that go on a screen in X and y you now actually have you know, some Z component to a depth depth. Yes. You can have.

You know, buttons float on top of each other. You can have them sit on top of nothing and just kind of float above the screen, like one of the new, um, the new kind of paradigms that they have is the floating action button, which is this button that sits in like, the bottom right corner, and you can just kind of tap. It's not really associate with any other object on the screen. Just kind of floats their

eyes. That Okay, Is that all right? Let me see if I can compare this shit pattern I'm saying, Is that like the Facebook chat? That's the general, The little heads. Yeah, all right. Jim is giving me his phone right now, and I'm looking at a screen that's a lot screen. And there's this little button at the bottom center. That's just status red. And it has a little like globe in it. So yes, I call Cap. It's a clock, Okay, but it's sort of like independent right of anything else is going on. So that's

elevation. Yeah, And on top of that, they added, like they did a lot of work. Thio render shadows now an android. So, like, as you give your components elevation, it's gonna go ahead and just that shadow for you. Kind of like, I guess, like the biggest analogy is, like on your back, You know, when you select a window. It gives you a little drop shadow and you know, it's like above all of your other, right. It's just like backs over now.

Yeah, yeah, it's like sort of on OS X. It's sort of that shadow is usually only on the active whenever

exist that way to like if you read a tap in drag something like it would be elevated with the illusion of a shadow just being, you know, farther spread out. So it feels like you're picking it up and moving it around above these other objects. Okay, very deep. So what's new with animations in material? Well, I was using an iPhone today, a lot. And one thing that really bothers me is when you open our clothes and app, the app just like, kind of zooms right to the center of the screen and disappears. Or with the case of I don't know if this is with every phone but with like a five seed I know it's like you open an app. It just kind of fades into view like it comes from no place. It just happens to be there now. But with enjoyed lollipop,

all the apse come from someplace like any action on the screen. It comes from somewhere. Like if you open an app, it comes from the bottom up. Or if you open like a like a just a toolbar, like you'll just see where it came from and where it's gonna be going. And it just It's not just like, Oh, hey, here it is Now it's like, you know, like, Oh, hey there, here comes I hope now it's there. Yeah,

and they really like baked all the stuff like really hard core into the O s. You know, they give you a bunch of tools now and they have, like by default Heesen Eat out without transitions, Rose before you have to program all that stuff, Dave, you kind of liked ability, like do stuff along a path like kind of provide a curve that goes along.

Yeah, that's great. I'm excited to see what kind of comes of that, because if you have to build that stuff, you have to put a lot of energy into just building a simple animations and stuff. But if they have, like easing and that sort of thing already built into it and you sort of get it for free. Yeah. Then you have your freedom to do more interesting

interactions. Yeah, they another, uh, good animation point is they baked in all the activity transitions for you. So, like, one of the best things about IOS has always been When you go from, like, one activity flow to another, the screens kind of animate into each other. Like you might have, like, an image view that kind of expands into the next few. Yeah, that was really hard to do on Angela, But now is just part of the system.

So things kind of fluid as you move to your app. You don't really notice that you're going from, Like what? Activities? The next. Everything kind of like, smoothly animates. Interesting.

Okay, what else can you tell me about? There's a lot to do with color, right? Oh,

man. That's like my favorite. I think that's my favorite feature I want to see like, um, it's kind of life because you're finding a lot of these things where I am, at least without look, I just noticed it after maybe four or five times using it like, Hey, there's something I didn't notice before. It's always kind of a new experience. So yesterday I was on dribble on chrome. I noticed the URL bar was black, just like the dribble navigation bar and the same thing with Like I went to Android Police in the bar change to purple. And so, like the chrome is now able to just, like, find, like, I guess, the main

color you probably Brian more searches for like if there's an element in the dom engaged in a document for, like, header or something. Background.

Well, they also like to introduce this this concept of like palates, which is really interesting toe where you can kind of gauge the main colors of your app based on like elements in it. So if you have like a wallpaper app, you could sample that wallpaper and say they were the main colors here. Is it blue is agreeing and then kind of theme your AB based on those

colors. Yeah, that's that's cool. I've always wanted to do something like that. I worked on a couple of things where I tried doing that, and it was kind of a disaster, like a code just like wasn't smart enoughto pull it out But, I mean, that wasn't like an OS level. Anything. It was, you know, half. Yeah, but that's awesome. Like it's always It's like one of those things always wanna do. It sounds like an awesome idea,

but just, like, never work. So yeah, like the cool thing that they're related. They're too, as they made a support library. So you can kind of like you can put a lot of those features you can back poured a lot of them So you can take that thing where kind of generates your own color palette and put that in, You know, Andrea, four or 10 or whatever, like go all the way back. You don't have to do it on just slowly, huh? Oh, yeah, dude,

something that, like, really makes me happy. He's, you know, the Holy Grail of design is kind of like building a system that other people's brands or identities can work within without, like getting in the way on with Android. Ella really speaks that cause you can open up a nap in it like Google's, like developed an atmosphere for anything that work in and be consistent and clean, but still be original. Hold true to that that style. So when you open up swarm, it's all yellow and really bright and everything, but it's so it looks like an android episode works really well, but it just has, like that that that vibrancy that I love about these brands,

man. Sounds like you guys drink the Kool Aid man like

enough stuff to worry. It's like it's friendly to work with. Feeling that was the main drag of hollow before is like you have this blue everywhere and if you like, yeah, you know, if you're branding with, like yellow, then you have this weird, like blue highlights

stayed on, And that's when I think around that time was when I first ever designed anything for Android, and it sort of was like, Wow, there's not a lot you can do hope, whatever you're gonna do looks good with blue and black. I

mean, that's I wasn't an injured user until I knew Andrew was coming out. I was like, I've been using an iPhone since like Day One, and I saw, and I know when I was like, this is what I've really been waiting for, and it was really exciting to start using him.

What was the last android? Kit Kat? Yes. Yeah, that was the last

100 before the Federation of Kicking. And three Big Thing about that one was like the transparent, like menu bar. A task bar which is old big deals, transparent,

trying to remember like the different names. There's like Kit Kat urine Lollipop. Now that it was kicked hat on his jelly bean, it was ice cream sandwich. Yet gingerbread. Oh, there is. Honey, honey, I'm just trying to remember back like it's hard to keep track, but so when uh when it android, it'll actually come out like it was pretty recently Rights different

for anyone for anyone's device. It's weird. Yeah, but I mean, it's been, like, really within the last, like, two months, and I've had, like, that l preview or whatever, but it definitely wasn't baked enough to call it, you know, lollypop

full on. Yeah, it was only you could only call that android love right now. Uh, okay. Cool. Talk to me about lock screen notifications. What's out? Like what's different about that mantra? Del,

that is like this man. So, like, notifications have always been the best thing about Android, and it's like I just can't use an IOS device because those notifications are so bad. Like IOS notifications are the worst. And like so, Andrew notifications always good. They are 10 times better now because, like they're fluid, you can, like, pull down on them. You can swipe them, you can tap them, you can expand them. They're like,

I don't know their stare like too many things, Devon, like, kind of condensed down to a short list. So you have, like you three here and it's awesome, like I'm swiping upon three notifications and I can see like the date and time just disappear like cleanly. But I can also swipe down and get more notification preview that just like kind of pop in like it just looks delightful and just amazing, and you get all of, like, every context you want. Yeah, you can pretty much do most things on your phone now without ever unlocking it, you know, but quick actions in them you can reply. Liking tapper flight email goes right to your reply screen

are quick actions, something that you said is a user or as a developer,

what I work action as a developer. So, like has developed Reagan say, like, I'm gonna put this notification and I want a reply button or I want, you know, just, like descended a quick email back or snooze an alarm or

Yeah, it sounds like you can actually do a lot of that stuff with us now these days. Yeah,

well, they just added it in I O s a It's like, but still I mean, try to find your notifications in IOS.

They'll be looking for days. Yeah, I'm not honestly, I'm not to like iPhone forever, anything like that. And I've used andro before and I like it. I just I just will be the voice of reason here There are

things I love about Iowa's. That android is like getting to like the design consistency, like with the language, makes sense everywhere. That's something I love about. I was that android that's always, like, kept me from it. So

something that I do think is always gonna keep me from being totally an android lover is just the the fragmentation of devices and

the whole podcast like it is so funny because I, like lately, haven't been a lot of IOS tive and IOS is, like, far more fragmented. And Andrew it is like Android has always been built, like the backwards compatible. You know, you can always do stuff all the way back and, like IOS like you could do stuff in, like, eight that, like, break seven. You know, like all these function calls, aren't there like you Really weird inconsistencies now, like always weird screen sizes mean?

Yeah, well, OK, I think I'm more like fragmentation from, like, the sheer amount of devices. Basically, No. I mean, that's that is sort of scary nightmare to me in the first place. But the thing that really drives and crazy is just like like, if you look at, like, all the users around the world like that or android users like the systems that they have installed, like it's kind of a crapshoot, Like as to what? You know?

Yeah, I can confidently say like, you know, most people I know that have iPhones. They're gonna have I was seven or Iowa State on it. At least you know that's today. But anybody I know that hasn't android, whether they're Parry's or not, I you know, it could be any of the last five or six even, you know, OS version. So that's another thing that's sort of, like seems a little unpredictable that, as you're saying, it seems like that it's a lot easier to do something in an older OS on Android than it is to do in an older OS.

And dude, I mean, like, Apple starts a new OS in like their laughter s is dead to them. I like

it was just really crazy because, like during the day I was eight launch like IOS eight, the update was so big that a lot of people didn't have space on the phone to download. It s so this is like the first IOS release where you've really seen a large amount of people that don't upgrade. So, like you'll still have, like, a lagging like 30% there on IOS seven. Yeah, which is Creavy.

It's gonna be the first. Probably it's funny because, like, I was eight, while the feet it's sort of feature having like you, I wise design wise, you're not seeing a ton change just just a huge amount of Well, I mean the new devices and new screen size isn't everything that was That was really big. But that was more in the hardware side. But I don't know how we got. This is my fault. Notification fragment

doing. I was definitely an old things about you.

Okay, so lock screen notifications are apparently awesome. And what was the next thing? Injury? Where? Android. Where? Talk to me. About Andrew. You really about Android watches. Like what else?

Well, they actually moved Google glass on the wear, too. So it has the same AP. I bet, like no one cares

what is up with Google Glass Like, it was like this crazy, futuristic invention thing that everyone was infatuated with. And I haven't heard anything about it for a while. Like what's going on with it? I think

they kind of realize that, like, people don't wanna wear stuff on their faces.

What? Why is it the creepy factor? Is it that I don't know

because, like so? So I got I have Google glass before it actually came out like the

first time I ever met you. You were Rangel? Yeah,

because I built a skitch when they debuted at south by southwest, which I guess is like that two years ago. Now, that's a long time. About three. Yeah. And back then it was like, cool, cause, like, you have this thing that no one else had. It was like a mystery product that I was gonna be, like, amazing and neat. But then once it kind of got beyond that. It's like you have this thing on your face,

like like, right? Like, and

it's just like you don't want to talk to someone who you think isn't paying attention to you. It

seems like you're not sure. Just like I can't do it all the time. Yeah, wake it. It's like you go

to dinner with someone and like their constant playing on their phone. And you're just like, that's like, the thing that you don't want in life. It kind of kills that social interaction between everyone. So I think like that kind of figure that out because you can actually buy, like, you can buy glass now for, like, 1200 bucks or whatever. You

don't totally public.

Yeah, if anyone could buy one on the play store and you don't see people walking around Google glass,

what is your opinion being a user was your opinion of It's just usefulness in day to day,

like it was really useful in certain situations. But then unuseful with almost every other so like, for good examples. And I'm on my bike. I love having her glass on when I'm on my bicycle because his hands free completely, completely, hands free. Like I can treat people like it just happened, Send a picture. Yeah, you know, it's just it's really kind of awesome. But

what about Dr Situation? Did you drive with it? I did, Ryan. Yeah, I did write with

it and, like a lot of my friends said that it wasn't distracting, but it Italy is

like like if you were had

a virtual boy. You know that virtual boys from like, the take unintended things were a little thing over your eye.

Oh, yeah, Burning eyes. Think like my friend across the street had that when I was growing up and I, like, didn't like him, but I did everything I could. D'oh! Yeah, I imagine

playing virtual boy will like driving your car like, you know, kind of the same thing. But the needs of the good thing is, is that they took, like the best concepts of class, and they brought them over to what is now a what most people think it was Andrew to wear now, which is the watch, right?

That's what I think of. Is there anything else out there that we should know about or talk about? Besides the watch? Um, I

hope things don't know, but I know

who's that. Just came out like a sports

bar. Oh, there is Will. I am. He came out with us with a cuff, a smart cuff.

That guy was awful like like that cup that No, I get cuff just like eyes that smart. What's that way? Didn't talk about that way. Actually,

I think I'll ring Lee, which is It's not 100 where, but it's it's It's a it's a ring that you put on, and then it lights up when you have a notification because like, I don't know about you. But my wife never looked at her phone like whenever I sent her a message. It's like the phones in her purse, and she's never seen it. So now at least like her ring, well, kind of glow and tell her that this whole smart, you know, smart, wearable thing is just reminds me of, like we're going back to the time of using pagers

again because we can't wait. That's the first wearable. Yeah, we can't do

anything with it. Like it's like I got an email. Okay, I'm gonna go do that later. Like a reply to that Whenever I get a chance to, You know, you don't really sit there and use it like a smartphone or anything. It just reminds you that you have to use your smartphone later. Yeah, well, it's got interesting, too, because like so I got a nexus six and it's Ah, it's a

monster. That's

so it's so big and you can't You can't use it with one hand. But it goes really well with my android watch because I can look at my Andrew Will android watch and do like small things on it. So, you know, send quick replies. I can see when my upcoming calendar is I don't have toe, you know, look at my phone because it's so big you planted on my wrist.

Why does that work betterthan like Nexus five with watch?

Well, I mean, it works the same. I just want to bring out my phone. Less eyes so big. And I know that I have

to use to Yeah, I guess that is the major inconvenient thing with, like, a big phone. It's like, if you want to bring it out and, like, get into something like it's fine. You just get it's a little bit more immersive, but to be annoyed by, like, notifications all the time. Yeah, I see the watch. Yeah, I back to Apple. I am very excited about the paper watch. Um, yeah, that would

be awesome. Similar thing I do is like my I'm plagued by broken screen on my phone. So my watch has become a lot more useful since I don't

want to look at this broken screen anymore. It's a cheaper than a replacement phone. Yeah, exactly. Wait. Is it cheaper? I don't know.

I've already okay. Like, I gotta replace for free in the next like week. It fell in my pocket, was getting out of a car, broke. I was pretty. I was pretty bummed out. I even called them LG yesterday, and they're like, Oh, we can't help you

there. Just like don't drop your phone. Yeah, exactly. There's, like, good luck getting your phone. Is there anything like, uh, apple care that you can get on?

Well, normally you like. You can't. You have a year warranty on your next five. Normally, you get one for you, one for your place. And I've already used that. I was hoping they didn't find that on the guys in the room looks you have. Hey, I got the watch. So it doesn't matter.

What are your favorite features?

Changing the background with any. Any picture I wanted, my friend.

I mean, that's not

really a feature. I just like doing this. Yeah. Um I don't know. I like just being able to like browser myself ago. It's pretty much like google now on your wrists. And like, my favorite thing about Android is Google. Now,

uh, so something that is very interesting to me about the apple watch coming out, I guess next year I mean, it's December now. So paperwork. One of my things I'm most excited about is basically like a messaging feature. Yeah. Have you guys Is there anything like that on the android? Watches? Didn't work very well. You

I mean, hang out. So any identification that you get on your phone, you get on your watch. So when you're on Google hangout, all your hangout notifications, we're coming to your watch and even you quick reply, you hit, reply, and then talk to it and send a message back and forth. It just kind of weird, because when you're in a public, you don't really want to be talking to yourself.

If you look inside a cereal box Thio, right? I mean, that was honestly, like the whole okay, glass like thing is talking to yourself thing like, Yeah, yeah. Without that, Siri's any any I'm not saying serious, greater anything, but like, at least you have your phone from your face is kind of like,

Oh, well, the better thing about the okay glass stuff was it to turn glass on first, you had to look up in the air. So not only are

you a crazy person talking. You're a crazy person talking yourself. We're looking in the air. Really? I didn't know about that. So you have to just be like, uh, yeah,

you know how, Like when you when you're walking by somebody you like the What's up? You little like I gotta hand you that Turn your glass on.

So did you ever do that on accident? Oh, say hey, man, what's that? Oh, my, I forgot. Yeah, like,

look up in like, the corner of my eye. And there's it's like some Google image search happening. And I'm like, I don't know what's going on.

So back to the messaging thing. Do you guys feel like that works pretty good from the watch or

it's 10 textural. It's like where you are like I can't do it. I can probably do in this room. It's OK, but if I'm out, like in the office, well, everyone's talking and hang out. I'll be like yelling at my watch, like talking like

a robot. So it's a It's a little sensitive. I will see you later, period outside noise and you have to say, OK, Google to, like, summon

it intact. Yeah, so there's two ways you can. There's letting a wrist. Yeah, so I mean, any African cooking like any sort of action so you could hook up. Okay, you can say send message or

there's sort of an accelerometer on there that detects like? Yeah, guessing it does it. Oh, so it is. It is that Google watch use working with, Like any health APS to track has a tone and

stuff. There's, like, its own, like Google health Absent side where you can actually like Check your heart, Uh, beat to you like anytime you want. So right now I could check

it like it is monitoring your heart. Yeah, the sensor on your wrist. So I don't know how well it works

because either, like, I'm really out of shape. Or like I really like you've got, like, 80% of your heart rate for the day. I've been sitting on

a good job. What if I don't? How do I have to do anything else? Yeah, I noticed that shoots

like a rave like green light into you're going to see your blood. Hey, I'm pretty sure Google knows, like my blood vein in blood vessels and all that stuff. Weird. Yeah,

whole 15. The eyeless like our Sorry, the apple watch. Um, sort of like, heartbeat thing that you can send. Yeah,

about that the weird, creepy. Like I'm watching you tap. What do you do it? I don't know, but this is my heart.

I did. I would send that tea every day, but just thinking about you just say no, man. Yeah.

I'll let you know we're what? I this kind of danger. But one thing I thought was really funny about the apple watch of it, or is there, like, showing off like their family photos on their watch? It's like, Look at all these hundreds of photos you could go through. It's like I can't see anything on that little time now. That was the worst screen.

Uh, yeah. I don't know. I mean, wait till we see it because I was surprised that they I mean, I heard some other podcasts. I talked about it and they weren't surprised by this. So maybe it's just me. But I would surprise that the first edition was already two X. Like that makes sense. Yeah, because you know, I don't know. I figured, you know, I don't know. They're just They're moving faster than I would expect that bad.

I'm just saying, like although it's small, you know, Yeah, it might be working.

I think it's so interesting. Like a ce faras the U ex patterns of both companies going forward because Android is taking this approach of This is the This is the only thing that your watch is good at, like quick glance, herbal information. You know, a few swipes, a few taps, you know, look at it for 20 seconds, you're done. And apples taking this approach of like, you have a crown and supposed to be much more rich. And you actually have APS that, you know, individual acts that run on it, supposed to like all these things. And you know,

Andrea Kent of the approach of Just like, No, this is like the only thing is good forward to these five things. You'll have a great time, and so far it seems to work really well. Like I really enjoyed the the amount of interaction they get on my watch. And I don't really know if I want

any more. That's actually that's true. Like what? Like you're sitting here like this, like with your left arm raised or whatever. You're less dominant hand like grace that's wearing the watch and that you're using another hand. Thio, This is always gonna be a two handed device. We think about it which is funny because he won wrist one hand. One? Exactly. Yeah. So that was actually kind of like you actually don't really want to be spending much time, right? Did like being in that position.

You really kind of wanna be like your 12th glance. Herbal. Yeah. I have found one major downside, though. It's like, you know, it's kind of rude in every. Like, you're, like, checking your check in the time when you're, like a radical, but people like you can't wait to leave Whatever I'm like, way busy right now that No, I'm just trying to apply to this text. So say yes and e

Yes. I just got the text, I believe now looking down on my watch. Yes, I have to go. 30. Go. Well, I think that pretty much covers, You know, some of the talking points who were hoping to get through. But, man, thanks very much for coming on today, Brian and, uh, Jim as

well. Oh, yeah. You're

very welcome. What's the one thing all these people listening today should take away from your

voices? Um, one. I'm not very good at staying on topic and to Android, where is good. IOS. It's vaporware, women that just explodes into nothing. What is that? Vaporware? Bigger? Where is like when you pitch when you pitch a concept that, like isn't built yet? So when you say like we have this amazing device, it does all these things you're like, Hey, can I touch it? No,

I see this intangible lure that yet I see. I see.

One thing I want to say is we've her headphones on this whole time without being able to hear

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just think it, but no, I as someone who came from my West, I think it's definitely like if you're thinking about switching, I thinkit's the right time to kind of take that risk because things are things are looking really bright for injured right now. It's definitely not the app for the operating system that used to be like. It has like a bad rap, you know. But I think now is the time, like if you're really curious about it and you want to try it out like it's better now than ever, that's

that's a good wrap up point there. I want to think Jim, for being on the podcast and Bryant. I want to thank the library bar downstairs for providing the background you that you may have heard that was our friends from the library. Anyway, guys thinks it's been a lot of fun on I'm waving. Today's episode is brought to you by Ping Borden employee directory that will supercharge your team. Today's best companies use Ping board to help their growing team continue to feel small. The Ping Board Company directory lets your team learn about each other in a way that's fun and engaging and ensures that they'll always have important info about their team wherever they are. With Ping board, you have one place to organize everything about your team, from private employee data to shared photos, contact info and fun fax. Now, with the Ping Board vacation calendar, your team will always know when someone's out with a few taps of the Ping board mobile app. Anyone can share that they're working remote sick or that they'll be in Billy's scuba diving next month.