Hey, welcome the hustles podcast about product design. I'm Rick Messer, and I'm here with Anthony. Hello, Anthony, aren't ours is the co host of this podcast thing that we do and we are here to kind of intro. Ah, pretty special episode that we have today, Um, did something a little bit different. So I hope you guys like it, But before we, uh, get into it, I just wanted to do a shout out to our new sponsor. Envision?

Ah, which is super awesome men. This product cannot be stopped like they just keep getting better and better. And, uh, I don't know about you, but I've had, you know ah, occasionally gonna run across something that annoyed me about it. And they're like their social team, like, responds to everything. Like, if you say, Hey, I'm having this problem,

like, you know, that they'll be on it right away, so support is amazing, But even beyond that, they're just man, they're just, like, non stop pumping out awesome new features that help you. I designers, whether your web or, you know, mobile, they Yeah, So I got that new inspect feature. Looks pretty cool.

Inspect feature is that in beta beta? Um, super cool. Something else they have going on. They have this new thing called Craft, but what's even more, which I'm sure everyone's heard about because it's really cool. But what ah is even more interesting is that envisioned just recently acquired a company called Silver Flows, which was basically a prototyping plug in for sketch. And now it's owned by envisioned. So there's just quite a bit of stuff going on there that is really, really cool. So you know, it's exciting. Everybody on their team to just seems super super in touch with what's going on in the design realm. And they've got people like pumping out awesome,

awesome design content. So check it out. Envision out dot com Um, so what? That just wanted Thio give you guys a little bit of background before we launch into this episode. We tried something a little bit different today. Ah, Anthony, you want to tell us So you know, first thinks for envision and Spotify and at last in for, um, being amazing. You know, Coast co uh, co partners on this south by Southwest Party that we had and Rick and I, we had it last night,

and Rick and I were thinking, Well, there's gonna be a ton of designers. They're from out of town, some local from, you know, various, you know, crafts. Why don't we interview them, asked them, you know, set a few questions. Just kind of See what people think about some stuff. So this episode is gonna be a compilation of many, many people who have who took time Thio,

you know, come by the booth and an answer. These questions? Yes. Sorry for the jazz music. Actually, maybe I'm not sorry, because it sounded great. Um, yeah, but it's, you know, it's our first time didn't trying something like this. So you're gonna hear some background noise, and, uh,

hopefully you can just kind of get the vibe. And maybe you can just picture yourself there with us. We had a lot of fun, man. These are our friends, like people that mean a lot to us that we have known over the years in Austin. And of course, there's a lot of awesome out of town people because south by southwest is kind of big, you know, a lot of people cause I hear it's a thing. It's coming. It's coming. So, uh, the five point Well, it's really three questions,

because the 1st 2 questions are What is your name and where do you work? So we asked him that to give a little, uh, just a little bit of an introvert to introduce themselves. And then, ah, we asked them three questions. After that, we asked them, What do you love about being a designer? Then we asked them, How does geography affect your career or design? So that question had been sort of something that we had talked about recently. An epic currents. Um, and it was just really fascinating discussion about,

you know, what is it that makes a difference, you know? Are you designer from SF? Are you a designer from New York? Are you designer from you know, the Midwest, like in some kind of smaller town? Like, how does that affect your design, your career? Or does it? So that I just happen to be top of my super super interesting? A lot of people have good things to say about it. The next question Waas, um where do you wanna be in five years?

Because I think It's interesting to know. You know, I think that was Anthony your question, But I thought it was really interesting to hear. Like, who wanted to still being doing design, Who wanted to be doing something totally different. Um, and then I think the last question was just kind of Ah, funny one. What is your least favorite design trend? So, uh, these these are Ah, you know, these are the questions we asked,

and we got some really, really interesting perspectives. Make sure you watch. I mean, sorry. Listen, make sure you listen on and look out for the cameo with Dan Benjamin from five by five. Yeah. And Hattie cooking? Yeah. Um, yeah, I think he's very much. I hope you guys enjoy this. Uh, definitely.

Like, if you hate this, like, tweet us and let us know because we'd love to know if it's, ah, not interesting. But, man, it was really fun to try something different and just have fun with our friends at south by. So with that, we'll go ahead and get into, and I think this first person up, we might change, so I have no idea who's gonna be first up. I hope you enjoy it. Good day.

Read work. Currently, I'm just doing what Not? First of all, I love solving problems. So, like that challenge of like, getting given, it's impossible task. And then trying to solve it is really where? Get my brother. Random. Uh, just wait, I think Absolutely. I think hard about being a designer answers you're kind of showing the world your experience and where you've been, Where you're at currently,

we're surrounded by a collection of those experiences on. Then it comes out any way that you designed something uh, you want to be doing in five years? Five years? Uh, hopefully, like doing some sort of, uh, a leader, senior level, managing people helping make design decisions. Still design. What's your least favorite design trend thing? But my least favorite right now is the eye, the idea of, like that civilization of design.

I just think it's it's a really unfair comment to make on outlet for sharing your work. Does that mean you're pro trouble or I'm pro sharing and looking at things? I think the idea that, like top liked things, are all similar results of designers liking the same type of thing not. It's not a result of the soccer company making an Ellen. Okay, So state your name for the records. Mike Townsend. Work a project to 02 I'm a creative director, and I've been there for about four years. Um, so I don't feel like Emma's. Much of the designer anymore is I am a design manager, but what a walk. Walk.

But when I was a designer, I liked creating things from nothing. Now, I like helping other people create things for nothing affects your career design. Um, I would say so, Yeah. I would like to think that I'm pretty well traveled, and I've seen design being represented pretty differently in other countries. And so, yeah, I think geography changes the design aspect of traveling more and maybe designing more. And what is your least favorite design trend? Er, let's see. That's a really hard question.

Because, like, a lot like long, Yeah, long shadows. Pretty, pretty invasive. So I work in a lot of enterprise design, and I think that hamburger menus are pretty, like, just very unfriendly. Okay, good. I'm glad you like that one. Thanks, man.

So state your name for the record please. Hi, My name's Mike. Where do you work? I work at Project to too Much Like the last night. Yeah, make it confusing for you. All right. Well, you're both talking into a mic, so that works. Uh, what do you love about being a designer? I guess what I like most about being a designer is just getting exposed to so many different industries and different different products, different challenges that people are facing every day and getting to find ways to make their lives easier. How does geography affect your career?

Well, it's certainly affected my career and the geography. I used to be on the East Coast and worked and lived in Baltimore for about 12 years and then moved to Austin about seven years ago. And it's it's been awesome. It's been great for my career. I enjoy working the bin, that project to to that whole time and being able to come to things like South by on the proximity of things like South by makes it easy. Thio really meet other people and get exposed to new ideas like you really change your design style. I don't know about change my design style but certainly changed my perspective perspective on really focusing on user research throughout the entire process. On really that that's driving the creative process and being able to convince businesses that that's really important. There's definitely more of a receptive audience to that kind of thing nowadays. A supposed to about seven years ago Last question. What is your least favorite design trends? Least favorite design trends. Wow C all the time. You like this again?

Yeah, I guess it's, uh, the kind of the oversimplification of of illustration and typography. I think that we've kind of lost some of the creativity that those thio art forms can really bring to design. Thanks. Uh, state your name for the record, Josh Bullet Just really gritty work. I work with B Otto. I worked the Be Otto. It's part of Cox Automotive Uru ex manager. What I love about being designer Well, in my particular field, I really like that we get Thio make enterprise B to B abs. Beautiful that there's really not a lot going on in the business face,

and that's amazing. So it's cool that we're giving that up field geography where you actually feel like that affects your career. So being in Austin Austin, like you've seen a huge influx in like, they're people that I've followed years. They're like titans of the industry. Folks like happy talk. We've actually moved some of the studio down here, So geography, I think absolutely like it helps. But it's not. Make your break sort of thing. I mean, you could actually work from anywhere now, contribute because, I mean,

we work in the internet. So what you doing in five years? In five years, I'm gonna be hopefully actually managing a kickass design team. It's but it just started, and hopefully I get to continue doing that. Good work. What's your least favorite design? My least favorite design trend. Long shadows Gonna say that. Hey, who we got right here? My name is Dan Benjamin. How are you? Pretty good. Hey,

I'm getting something called podcasting right now. Have you ever heard of that? This is I heard that just came back. This is a thing that died and then they just brought it back. Cereal, right. Thanks. Iriarte of cereal? No, but I'm hoping to be the next serial. I think this is a good place to do it in here. Things. How you podcast, right. Says you want this Kind of they call it ambiance. It's very NPR view.

Yeah, I'm just going for that whole, like, radio lab vibe. Like the clinking of glasses and whatnot. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Well, I think you're off to a good start. Yeah, thank you very much. You got anyone with You want to say I one of the person way got here. Hi, it's Hattie Cook. Good.

How are you doing, Rick? I have no idea. We're just trying to say hi to some people tonight, You guys? Yeah, definitely. I mean, we can not stop by the podcast. Hey. So do you do any design work anymore? I tried to. I tried. What do you like about being a designer? I like the fact that design that each person makes is completely unique to them. And everything could be fresh if you want it to be.

Oh, Bass. Thank you for coming by. Howdy. Thanks. Oh, God. My name for the record is Chris Meeks. I work for myself, but a small studio called Hatbox. I love that you can make people's minds I into reality, you can show them a little bit of the future. That's a Julie's Whoa! Quote from Facebook. Well, that's a good question.

Um, I don't think it does for me, actually, like my clients are everywhere with tools today. Waken be face to face in the second with anybody across the world I don't think makes it really any different. I want to be doing exactly this for slightly more money. My least favorite design trend is dribble criticism. Triple criticism is a phenomenon of Due Torri. Uh, that has to do with criticizing a platform because people like to use it in a different way. I'm Clark Wimberly from envisioned Question is where you work. But you covered that in the first place. I did do that. What do you love about being a designer? I love a little bit. Everything.

The problem solving I really enjoy and problem solving for others I really enjoy. We like to argue for other people, career or design. Okay. Division were fully remote, which has been new to me. I've been remote at a company. I've never been at a remote company, which has been really, really interesting. We grab talent from anywhere and everywhere. So geography doesn't affect us that much. We don't even have office space in any of our main cities were really, really remote. I've met quite a few because I get to travel a bit for events. So it's time I go to a city.

There's a handful of people here in Austin. We've got, like, 17 going on 20. Now. I've met a really big portion of them. Yeah, five years, maybe. Still this I get to talk about design a lot. My main thing is, I get to explain process and hear about other people process, which is really, really interesting. Yeah. Just keep keep going up.

I don't know. I don't know if I have any. Um, I guess. Cara cells. I know that's a really lame one, but I hate having to swipe to see a lot of content. I'd rather just be it presented more logically to me. I don't like to decide what's important. I want you to tell me what's important. Yeah, thanks. My name is Brian Peterson. I work at a start up for daily fantasy sports here. An awesome I'd have to say problem solving and the questioning that you have no idea what you're doing every time a project redefines itself from first, I moved from Chicago to Austin for a design job that I didn't have prior to moving,

but on the fact of, uh, the biggest thing that attracted me. Toe Digital product design is based on infancy and the infancy of the field in general and infancy of joining a startup when you're defining more. What I do is right now is a game base, so it's still really early. I think you run a parallel is like design wise, you're new to a new project, and the idea that you're running and evolving with the project while it's creating itself has the level of MNC gives you level of. I mean, it makes you dangerous on your decision making on the fact that making mistakes is just as easy as the product rose selling on. There's no there's kind of imbalance and tansy, you know, only only the cosmos knows. But, uh,

hopefully at some point in five years I could be just enough to be on at least one podcast, not in a bar. Not, you know, you know, career goals I hate I hate pretty much 90% of the stuff that's on code drop so over hard core three d 40 Switching with spinning blah bleh transitions that are literally diamond. I don't know. I might want to see something that's actually four days. My name is Ryan Weaver. I currently work for a company called Creative Market. What do you love about being a designer? Or do you hate? I don't hate Being a designer is getting that was myself. But no, I what I love about being a designer. I love taking an idea,

my idea or someone else's idea and making something better out of it. That's what I love. This is interesting. Yes, well in mind, my personal world geography affects it from a how clear can you communicate sand points like the barrier of the computer, the barrier of the email or the slack channel or a phone call? Or you will hang out like there's something that slightly gets lost. And you know the constant struggle is like, How can I make that up? How can I create in my work environments? Uhm, over the shoulder moment the Hey man. Hey, Rick, what are you working on a moment and make that feel riel across,

you know, half the country way. Say interview? Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I don't want to be pigeonholed myself, but this is I I kind of got to keep doing this, I think, uh, but I mean, I think so, Yeah. No, that's a great question. Um,

you know, I told my wife that somebody I'm I like second or third date. I was like, I just want to be happy. And she kind of laughed and thought I was, like, really, like, not very cool in the moment. It's like, Oh, yeah, that's a crappy answer. But that's really what it is like. I want to be able to do things from a career standpoint that enabled me to be happy. And currently,

and I hope my future like design provides that, like, I get to be happy, I get to feel fulfilled and the things that I'm making, the things that people that I'm working with, things stuff that I'm giving a huge part of my life to on a daily basis, that and then turns and gives me the ability to give even better things like to the rest of my life outside of work. I want to be doing that in five years. I want to be happy splitting my life and giving my life to those aspects. Beautiful. All right, last question. Uh, what is your least favorite design trend? Trick trend. Least favorite trends.

Anything Fee fi fo fun size is doing killer dropping. So state your name for the record, please. Yon wine. All right, Where do you work? A Danek? Creative. What I love about being a designer. I think what I love about we'll be a designer. No, just the act of creative. This every day is gonna be different, Gets different task. And whenever you there's give you always different challenges Whether you know, there were days where you're like I don't want to deal with something like this,

or it'll be days where you're just like, Like, how my get complete this. But when you are done with the process, it's just like it's just a awesome, like feeling of accomplishment. Geography affect your career. What you mean? Well, I mean, where are you from? In Amarillo, Texas. There was there was not much going on design wise. I mean, everything was like in Boss logo or some sort of comic sans fun.

So I think what happened was moving here to Austin, Texas, about five years ago. It just opened up this whole gateway of different creatives and personalities that you just learn and grow from. And it's been great for five years. Yeah, my career path. Always always. There's always been some journey. Whether is being a designer or a graphic artist designer. Then you didn't start learning code and start doing digging a little bit more in development. But in five years I could still see myself doing some Web development. But in reality, I just want to open up. And now Paco Farm. All right,

last question. What is your least favorite design? Oh, my least favorite design trend has to be, I think. Well, coming from coming from the development side, I'm pretty. I'm done with Bootstrap. I think a lot of people are still boots trip, and I think you know when when you get into an interview. And so we said, like, you think outside the box, I literally think somebody should think outside the box, maybe even like sailing enter a circle or a square Do something different than the current bush at community.

Hey, my name is Nick Roebling work. I'm a freelance creative director. What do you look, um, I'm a big fan of, uh, combining technology with art on being a designer. Seems the best way to do that for me. That's a good question. Uh, yeah. I mean, there are cities where it's much easier to find work doing interesting stuff than than others. You know, New York,

Austin in San Francisco. They're all good for doing interesting interactive design, which is mostly what I d'oh. But, you know, if you're in the Midwest, maybe someone needs to start up something like that so people don't end up doing newspaper ads. River What you want? Uh, what I'm doing now and more of it. I'm pretty sick of single page websites. Just all flat designed. They all look like wordpress template. You state your name for the record. Jonathan Howell. Microsoft on the Power bi I design team.

What do you love about me? Uh, only one of the things from once. I was a kid. Be ableto change the way people think. Maybe design But I think that I got started, got designed through trading band posters and persuading the way people think. And I think that's one of the things that interest me get in there. How does geography affect your career? That's an interesting question. Um, I think it depends on the situation that you're in. Think of your working remote, get it back to you. Um, I know we have a team in Israel with Microsoft,

and I think it's one of the things that is difficult at times. But you can definitely work through having that time difference. But if you're like, let's say you're live in Florida and you work for a company in San Francisco, you're able to still work with them. There's a time difference is short, but you can still work doing five years. I think my light at the end of the tunnel is, uh, you know, to say this is working, this isn't working. I don't know if I want to go so much into the management position. I think that I still like the hand, have my hands and a little bit of design. But I think being able to say like giving the veto on this work.

So this doesn't work? I think we can revisit. This is kind of my life. Okay. What is your least favorite? No more long shadows cannot stand that way. Moly, Don't do that anymore. Ever go wait with Steven Rae Company called Die Alexa, What I love about being a designer designer person. Okay? Yeah. Knowing other amazing designer people which are walking this way, Um, I also work just having an opportunity to see this kind of big, big problems and having an opportunity to try to come up with an elegant solution for what these big problems are,

you know? I mean, I think that's why most of us building products love design is because not really just to make cool shit really make people's lives better. And what I love about it is not even the process of getting there, but when we've actually accomplished successfully building a good product in seeing how that possibly impacts a person in our company and man, that's that's like, the most gratifying part about being in. That's what I love the most. Wait. So the city that I'm from, I don't know, aside from just having had certain experiences growing up, sort of holding me into who I am today. I'm not really sure. You know, I had a great art teacher and all that.

I guess that definitely had some impact where I live now. Eso I live in Dallas were based in Dallas, definitely doesn't have that cool factor that Austin has. But that's also one of the cool things about it is that there are so many hidden gems. They're so you know, if somebody comes in to visit, you kind of have to take him to the cool spots. You can just roll in and not know what the hell's going on and expect to just be killing it. Also, I think from a design perspective, you know there's a different type of client in Dallas. What are you doing in five years? Five years? Dammit, Rick, that's a question.

In five years. Here's Here's the thing In five years, I hope that I still love what I'm doing in terms of like building it amazing things with people, and I hope that in five years I've been able to somehow impart some sort of knowledge that I currently have on two people within my company or outside of my company, just in general, that do such a better job than I've done and are doing your things that are just blowing my mind. Least favorite design trend is the topic of design trends, period. Fuck it. I don't care life. If it's a design trend, let's understand what the value and this may or may not be for any particular project because some design trends there kind of a trend because there's some value there. So, yeah, I mean, definitely their shit that I see that man more often.

I see it just more pissed I become, but also okay, just dealing with fact that I'm not the one who's buying into this trend right now in that a lot of people, a lot of other people, obviously are, So yeah. Hey, thanks, brother. My name's Ethan. Wait E. I love helping businesses build good products, affect your career. Geography. Well, I guess it's been a restriction in some sense.

I mean, I like living here on opportunities elsewhere that I've bypassed sacrifice those opportunities to continue living here, So I think it's the right move in most cases. But speculated five years. I e I don't know. I don't have a five year plan. Is there something right? Like e No. I mean, I've been doing this thing for just a couple of years now, so I still feel like I've got a lot of time. I don't have any trends, you know? It doesn't matter. No, it's a thing that get caught up in If you're wearing the wrong things like it's no big deal.

My name is Amanda Donaldson. I work for a spread fast. I love problem solving. I love working with people who are constantly trying to challenge others, to see things from a different perspective. And I love, like melding of all of these disciplines and getting to kind of relearn something something new about are just learning about new businesses and new ways that people build things with every new project. Yeah, yeah, yeah, great question. I think it absolutely does. I think you see trends that are very specific to different cities, and that's often influenced by the different types of tools and heritage. You know, Austin is a musical town and so you've got this great history of big posters.

There's a lot of screen printers. There's a lot of people, a lot of a lot of design has to live outdoors and in a warm, sunny fine it. So I think you see that in a lot of time. And I think I think that's you definitely see the shift when you go. Some of the Nordic countries design has a very different kind of aesthetic. And then some of the some of the design coming out of Australia kind of same. Same idea. Just I think that the culture definitely effects trends and, yeah, you're still design. I think when designs in your blood, you can't help but kind of see through that winds forever. But, um,

yeah, I I just love learning from other people in the room and getting thio. Yeah, learn, grow, grow my own skills and be able to master certain parts of my craft. Least favorite, I am really not a fan of the Memphis style design that's kind of popped back up. It's like eighties kind of squiggly lines, like really thick strokes and, like, really obnoxious like neon color like really bad clashing color mixes and stuff. Yeah, I hate that. Thank you, Carlos Ariano.

I work for B Otto. I love the creativity. I love that I can put together a couple of boxes and letters and it looks pretty darn cool. Geography affects my career. I live in kind of the East Austin area and my offices North Austin. So 35 Highway 35. For those who don't know is pretty terrible. It is the worst. Uh, but how this geography affect all of designers? Um, hopefully not too much anymore. You know, I think it does weigh, interviewed and hired a designer last year who had been from New Mexico. And,

you know, I did a lot of work in Hawaii, so there was a lot of color choices and, you know, font choices that here in Austin probably wouldn't see. It's very nice. I always want to be doing design stuff, but maybe more in a bigger role. I want to hopefully be overseeing a lot of design work in our company and hopefully Cem, user experience designer as well. Oh, goodness least favorite design trend. Um, so I think there has been a lot of stuff on dribble that people have been designing to look like Apple TV APS. Uh, I mean,

I think it looks really cool, but I don't know, You know, if Snickers is gonna have an Apple TV app Thank you, Brian Smith v. Otto. I'm not no product manager. I love working with, you know, designers with our customers and with developers every day. I kind of get to do it all. Sure, so I mean it. Our company. We're trying to hire 20 developers and designers this year, and Austin is hot place to be.

It's also really challenging to find talent because there's so many people here that air vying for that. So it's a blessing and a curse like us to be where we are. Yeah, I guess I'm kind of 50 50 between, you know, like a product leadership like director level roll or a starting my own business. Wait, wait, Last year, why do you love being not designed? I consider myself a visually minded person. I actually came from a design background, but these were the days I started doing Web development, which is what it's called now, back in the days when it was called Web Design and I, by nature of the fact that these weren't split out as separate jobs had to learn Photoshopped,

and that's where I came from. I was a photographer, full time for a number of years. Yeah, that's how I supported myself. And so that was where I came from with it. And then I found out that I could make a lot more money if I got in a coating. It might've just been, you know, I think actually, that came first. The idea that you could make a really good salary as an independent coder came about. Now you could make a decent living as a designer, but I think for a long time it wasn't respected enough. So people thought of Web developers is like, Oh,

that makes concrete sense and design just doesn't necessarily or they thought it's easy. So what I love about building a product is it's very philosophical for me when my favorite quotes is the best way to predict the future is to create it. It's attributed to a lot of different people, including Abraham Lincoln, but pretty much everything I've found by Google. Searching says that Abraham Lincoln never said that, Um, but that's what it means for me. It's it's building things that shape the future. And there's a lot of, uh, things that I work on. That sounds really epic. And then I worked it Ever know previously? That's how I knew Anthony actually is from every note, and,

you know, that sounds like OK, so how is ever gonna change the world? But in little ways, I think it does. Actually. For someone who was a idea man like myself, I needed a tool kit and ever know in its heyday was my go to. That was my tool kit, and that's where I put on my ideas in and I thought, And at the time, actually, when it came out, there wasn't another great thing that was out there that was doing what it did. So I considered it one of most valuable tools for an idea man like myself. And so that's what when I went to and I was super inspired about,

and that's how I was changing the world as I was creating this tool that I felt that other idea makers could use to help make their ideas true. Exactly that kind of thing. Yes, weather way geography. Do you mean where you go to do your work? Oh, yeah, that's an interesting, um, I think it absolutely does. But it's got to be that it comes down to just a atmosphere of the people that are around you. Whenever you're around like super depressed people. You know how it's easy to get a press that just wears off. I know it's the same way with excitement, and so I think there's it's just kind of, ah,

cultural loss. Most this thing, I would have to say Yes, five years super captured by cutting edge technologies. And I think there's a lot that can really help out the human race that's coming out right now. There's a lot of split view, I think, with a lot of technologies coming out right now, there's a dystopian path that a lot of people want to go down and say that this is ruining social engagement thing idea that technology, because we're staring at our phones is making a conversation between you and I, um a lot less human than it was in the past. That I say is a negative view of it on. But I think there's a positive to say you know all the wonderful things that the Internet, the Internet in our pocket is giving us a look at examples like Google Maps and how that just changes the way that we live and we walk out the door and we don't know where we're going. But it doesn't matter, because because technology is to a point where we can rely on it.

And I think that is fantastic and beautiful. And so I I would love to be an optimist about that. But a part of being an optimist, I think, is going to have to put that in action or the pessimists are gonna win. That's what I feel like. You see these two tracks of these people that are like they they are creating a terrible future, not even trying because they're too afraid of it. E I do. Too many people are afraid of it, and the reason they're afraid of it, in my opinion, is that we're losing control and we truly are. As machines take over and people lose their jobs, way are losing control, and it's super terrifying because we don't know what it just right now.

Um, there's a March 2016 and there was a major competition between a Google A I robot that beat a Chinese go player in the game of go Chinese game. It's kind of like chest with a lot more complex, and thus far computers have been able to play chess and beat human opponents for quite a while now with using your artificial intelligence. But go was a lot more complex, so complex that it took a lot longer for computers. Thio, reach this And I think it was yesterday. Actually, the final match happened and the Google Baht alphago just clean the board Well, so things like that when you hear about them is kind of scary because then you start running all these scenarios in your head like Okay, well, if you know, the U. S military is now run by AI robots and all of a sudden it decides Thio turn its attention or someone directed to turn its attention, how effective it can be when it could just,

like, obliterate someone on the go playing field or the chess playing field. What do in the real playing field? It's all the same to a computer, it means no difference moving chess pieces vs Yeah, versus moving missiles Around like makes no difference. So I think that there's a lot to be afraid of and all the humanness that's lost in the way that we interact when we no longer interacting with the ways that we're used to in their new ways that we've never interacted with before. They always have that statement that there's nothing new under the sun. But actually we're starting to see for the first time some new stuff that has never. That's a long story. Long, long story Long is Take the pot of positive path and try to help make it not a dystopian future, just like yeah, that's interesting. Question Way records. Yep,

John Haber Ready work. I work at Rock Saw studios. I'm a project manager there, Okay, I think the most exciting thing to me about building products is jumping on top of other people's excitement. So we get a lot of startups. We get a lot of people that have these great ideas that may or may not be the next $1,000,000 idea, so it's building upon their excitement and helping them reach their final goal. It's really exciting that the variety that people come up with and the amount of difference that we deal with on a day to day basis. It's awesome. You know, there's a lot of people to come up with a really great ideas, and it's fun to be a little bit of a part of that. It's curveball question. What does geography affect your career? It's kind of a two fold answer.

I think in some ways it doesn't affect us at all because of technology. We have teams that work remotely. We have teams that work in the U. S. On because of technology, we were able to all work very efficiently together. Then in some aspects it's difficult for those remote because the products that we're building our only location century, so it's harder for them to get a grasp on what we're building. So, like I said, it's kind of too cold. In some ways it doesn't affect us at all, and in some ways it's a little bit harder for the rest of the team to catch the vision of that. If we're building like a local app or a company that has a very locally targeted at, it's harder for our some of our team to catch the vision that five years and I would probably like to be more of a product donor, you know,

a little more focused on building a specific product. But then again, I don't know, because I, like the variety of being a project manager and be a model, work on a bunch of different peoples. Great ideas, like I said it being at the same time. So if I was in the same spot and five years working on more core products, that means what you know that because well or if I was leading a team of project managers and they were all working on products, I like the difference of the day today. Aspects that I got e don't have anything specifically designed focus. But I think for me, what I dislike the most is a design friend that's focused on a current culture friend. I can't stand this kind of thing because that culture trends going to go away so that it Zain train's gonna be completely irrelevant in a year or six months or however long it is. So I think there's a sort of old school school Thio Good design.

That's always gonna be there, you know? Is it is it clean, Easy, User friendly, designed That's always gonna be there. That's always should be the foundation to solid design. So if we're defer to focus on what's cool right now with pop culture or something like that, it's gonna be it's gonna be not important in a year. Six months, Jim. Just in Jordan, Jr. Yeah, my website is three J's. I am one of the last one just for you.

Where do you work? You work with you fun size. We share a lot of about time. I love that. I get to, like, make these experiences that I hope people just do not hate way. You know, if they if they actually like them, or actually better if they ignore them and they don't notice them. I've done a good job and makes me feel great. You are okay. Two things south by Southwest affected greatly. It's getting very difficult to go to work, geography and difficult people to think geography and a sense of like our country. I don't work with anyone outside of America.

That's kind of weird. I would like to go expand and work with other people? Maybe. Yeah, hopefully. Like, I mean, thinking about language. Like, how do you incorporate you? Why? With another language. That's gotta be, like, super difficult. What are you doing in five years?

Finding something totally different, man. I'm gonna have Anthony's job. He's gonna retire. I'm gonna take it over. I'm skating. No, I would be a, uh, still be a designer. I market texture. That'd be really cool. But hopefully, like, applying some of the lessons we've learned in the digital space, I feel like we're,

like, really working very fast to win a lot of new things very quickly. And if you're gonna play, that is something that we're already doing all the time. It might be really cool merger, anything fi designs. Okay. Yeah. For the record, Rachel Lacoste. I work for media General. Well, I love that I can make art and make a little bit of money. That's how I You know, I told my parents I was going to art school, and then,

you know, I had a plan afterwards, and they were excited about that, so Well, I think that Austin being in Austin and having a career in Austin is really affected my my career because it's a booming, designed industry. I think that I'm in a good place being early in my career. So there's e. I hope that I'm super famous. I'm gonna ban Thio. I hope that pans out my leave. Favorite design trends Um, you know, I don't know, like I have a lot of respect for for everyone's ideas. Then you know I don't want I don't want to hate on anyone thinks my name's Anthony Sanchez.

But my friends call me Tony, so feel free to call me Tony. I'm actually currently looking for a job in slash freelancing. I really get a kick out of creating and taking are creating concepts that really help people, you know, and really thinking about how somebody can use something and improve their life because I love making my life easier on any given substance in any given situation. Like take, for example, laundry. I hate doing laundry, so I will pay somebody 10 cents a pound to do my laundry for me, and that's that's a simple experience of like creating a system to improve somebody's life. I'm busy or I'm lazy and I want to spend time doing I'm gonna give my time something else rather than sitting in front of a laundry machine. And I will, you know, use that service to make my life easier.

Wait. You know, I feel like I feel like the geography plays a pretty big impact. Has a pretty big impact because of the fact that not only are there, you know there are technical limitations and logistical limitations involved, but there's also like demographic limitations and and like, things we need to consider whenever you're designing for somebody that doesn't live where you live, you know, because I come from a small town in East Texas, populations is 28 to 30,000 right? And the type of people that are coming from my hometown are not where I live now, right? So I need to think about say, if I'm designing something for those people, I need to think about how they're gonna use it, how I know they're gonna use it or how I've been given the information of how they're gonna use it.

So I think that Geographics play a play a big role because it's it's like I said. Not only like bandwidth or whatever, but it's also functionality is as the human that's gonna be ableto use a website or use the app in five years enjoying my life loving live every day, every day, you know, like, uh, I don't know, being happy, doing what I'm doing, being fulfilled, doing what I'm doing, being satisfied, doing what I'm doing. You know, I'm at a point in my life where I will make small sacrifices for I'm a big sacrifice and score what I love and smaller sacrifices for what is gonna It's gonna give me a headache,

you know? So in five years, I would love to be still designing, still making great things and hang out with cool people. Hamburger menus. I hate hamburger menus for use in space. Yeah, Tony, Tony, Brian Butler is my name. I work for myself. Freelance branding and illustration designer. I'm your boss is Really? Yeah, he's a huge dick. He has won.

Just getting cut that out. How much can I curse in this podcast was like, Okay, cool. Uh, what I love is being able to take a big idea and turn into a small thing like a logo or illustration. Bunch of big. Yeah, interesting things that just make it kind of hit hard in a small little space. I think I like crunchy everything down into one thing. Yeah, that's funny. Uh, especially much harder or design in general, a SZ faras My career, I'd say.

I mean, being in Austin is, like, kind of essential to getting, you know, just getting work, because there's so much, you know, entrepreneurship happening right here in this town. So just just business wise, like being in Austin is awesome. Um, otherwise really like since we have the Internet and books like my design, work and creative process doesn't need to have, like a geographic event, it does just inevitably,

but yeah, I don't think what you want to be doing it. Five years still adjusting to change. I mean, yeah, I still wanted to be doing design either. I know would be cool to, like, get a group of friends and have, like, a road strong like creative collective butt. And so I'm not just doing it on my own favorite design. Um, I understand the irony of this, but it's designer's having opinions. That's my least favorite trend released that people give them space to have opinions,

especially with logo design, because it seems like all these companies have new rebranded logos and it just gets shit on like automatically. It's like it's like calling a newborn baby ugly. You know, we know it's ugly, but let it live for, like, a week or two before you call it ugly and maybe grow on you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.