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up. Well, since my cardio steal my thunder and I didn't get to do my day of the week, I'm gonna take the power back and say it right now. It is Thursday, May 23rd otherwise known as Lucky Pennie Day.

There we go. Is it lucky if it's heads up our heads down?

Doesn't say here, but I don't know, man. I'm not. I'm not a big fan of like pennies. Might as well be garbage as far as I'm concerned. Have you ever seen when somebody makes a floor out of pennies and then they coat it with epoxy ease. I saw a ceiling of pennies one time, I think. On yeah, on California's Gold. Huell Howser, Maybe PBS. Huell Howser. Yes, yes. Pennies Air Kind of remarkable.

I think they're mostly Eases Inc with a thin copper coating, I believe. I mean, it's it's illegal to deface currency, but from just the material standpoint, they're probably a pretty good material source for the cost.

Oh, yeah, and the old Skool pennies are solid copper. I think it's somewhere in the eighties that they switched up, but even still, the value of the metal in a penny is actually greater than one cent. I think there's a few political candidates that I've seen pop up, especially on the on the Democratsside that are proposing to get rid of the penny just saying like it's useless. Nobody's nobody's spending pennies anyways. Let's just

cut it off at the nickel. You know, I don't know how big a penny is, but let's just pretend that they're one inch That mean it's a dollar 44 per square foot, But I think they're smaller than that. Probably at this moment. Yeah, the price per coin foot. Yeah, that's how much it costs to cover your floor and over. Then you gotta factor in the epoxy.

And yet the X poxy is definitely

the expensive. It's gonna be more than pennies. Put it that way. Right? So what do you think you guys working on? Well, I'll go first. And I have been traveling. I just got back from Maker Faire. Oh, yeah, you always were. Were missed.

Now this was Bay Area, right? In San Francisco,

right? This is the big one. That a lot. It's a dash of workbench con ah, lot of comic con with another dash of burning man and then three d printers everywhere. Just a Sprinkle of three D printing. Yes, it's okay. Ah, I enjoyed it. The people were amazing to run by Make magazine. The people that work for make are amazing, but they could use some something about it seems like they've been living off the past and living off the energy of the community rather than the then as an organization figuring out how to reinvest and re strengthen that. So when I talked to a lot of people that have been involved for a few years, there's sort of a worried that this might be the last one. And wow, now it's still really well attended that,

right? Yes. But that's not the same as it being well managed as a business standpoint. And I know media publications in general particularly wants to have a basis, and print are not always doing that great. So I don't think it's run. Think the events are one of their big things, but I don't think they're really an event business. And it's hard to make money at something and do it really well when it's your side thing that you do not the main thing that you do. I mean, well, that

seems kind of scary, because for me, I really became aware of Make magazine through maker faire event. Yeah, right. And so that's kind of hard, because that's how people are getting into the door.

Yeah, that's the good news would be that it would seem them they're one higher away from getting things in order. Well, my perspective is this is that it's hard to kill a community because if there's interest and people are connected online and sometimes the flag bearer that is the current infrastructure to it sometimes that that goes away, that's not always a horrible tragedy. Sometimes that's a new opportunity for something that's Biltmore out of the community, and the community just has to step up and figure out how to reconnect. Now, obviously, this is all conjecture. Nobody freak out. This was just my general impression, but it was a fantastic experience. I'm really glad I went. I Scott, to see a lot of our friends, the guys from the making it podcast roll there that gave a great presentation.

So obviously, any time I get to see all those people is fun. I saw a lot of the exhibits and it's interesting because I mean, the term maker is so broad. But there it very specifically refers to a lot of digital fabrication and a lot of a circuitry and stem related stuff. The thing that I think is the single greatest part of it is the involvement with kids. There are a ton of Children there, and it sort of has this stem kind of science educational feel to the whole thing, which makes it very family friendly and seeing kids getting involved with coding robots, three D printing and all these things is just fantastic. But I wish they could add in a little bit more of the woodworking, metal working and conventional things in addition to these others. The

other thing? Yeah, it seems very tech focused, tech focused, right

in a very specific type of tech, right? Like there's a lot of robots there that are novelty robots, but not, you know, I don't think like Boston Dynamics had ah, Booth there.

I think it would be awesome to see some of those robots that they're bringing in my burger, flipping robots or sandwich making like robots.

Things like that, right? Right. And so, for example, people are very fascinated with these kind of like burning man style robotic things and this their homemade. So obviously they're not competitive with a, you know, a vehicle with wheels, so it's almost like they're it makes that's what makes it like the very comic con type or have the comic con type feel where there s Thetis izing, which I'm a fan of a specific type of mechanical movement to bring novelty to a vehicle that from a performance standard, is substandard. So to me, that was what sort of missing then is I would love to see just, you know, having just driven excavators and things like that which are not robots, because they're not autonomous and and and moving and repeated task unmanned but are actually probably like mechanically like way more sophisticated.

And that's why I would like to see more from the manufacturing robotic side haven't been more like an industry show, but remember the name of the show that Jimmy was talking about? I think it was like some sort of digit fab con or something like that, that there might be someone else or some other event that's that's already doing that. So this isn't me throwing shade at it. It's an amazing event if there are more of, um, and nothing's official yet, but you should definitely try to go out there and see one if you get the chance. It's a visual, spectacular thing with tons of people, but for me, I sort of was like walking around. I I saw I didn't really see too much new. It's a lot of different three D printers and talk to some people about carbon fiber. Talked a little bit.

People about sort of our genius. Oh, and raspberry pi kind of stuff I'm looking at eventually moving into some of those types of components. And other than that, I bought a nibbler.

You're gonna have to fill us

in on that. No, no, it's a funny term for a tool. It's actually a brand called the Very Clever name. Chris is gonna like this one. The Nibbler cannibal. Er ah, as in it can nibble and also cannibal. They thought they were so clever with that name. It's just very nice. Australian family started the business. Nibbler is a device that could be attached to a drill or give me a freestanding handheld machine that nibbles its way through sheet metal. I've seen those so sort of like a jigsaw or scroll saw for cutting sheet metal like anything less than about 1/8 of an inch so sort of 16th or so and then down. And it cuts really cleanly and you can do very scroll saw like turns. Well, I still say they should've gone with Kimmy.

Nibbler, for all the full House fans missed opportunity that cannibalism and and I can do add attitude combined. It's pretty good. That's true there's nothing I like more than a go Getem cannibal. Well,

since we're talking about events in the maker community, I'm gonna go ahead and talk about the event that I traveled to this weekend. I went to Des Moines, Iowa, of all places for Weekend with Wood, which is the conference that would magazine puts on every year another print publication turned event coordinator. And I've got to say I was really, really impressed. It's a lot different than any of the other sort of events that I've gone to in that it's incredibly education centric. That's really what they're focusing on is providing really good classes about the things that people are potentially interested in. So whether that's more fine woodworking things about dovetails in different finger joint and and joining re jigs like panna routers and things like that. There's a lot of classes around it, as well as things like, uh, the class that Mac Ramona did about working with live EJ slabs and dealing with defects in that So it is definitely geared towards people that air wanting toa kind of up their skill, or maybe break down some of those barriers that keep people from trying new things, but they are not struggling when it comes to attendance.

In fact, it's sold out about a month or two before the event. They were working in their office space to put this whole event on, so they've got a limited amount of space. I think there's around 250 people that can come each year, and they have about six classrooms with different classes going on at any time. But with that in mind, they're really marketing that towards there. Print subscriber base. So I have to guess the average age of the attendee. It's probably about 60 65 myself, along with some of the other kind of maker influencers, whatever you want to call them. The group that they brought along, We're definitely, you know,

the younger of the crowd. But it was cool because anywhere that you are the exception. There's always a bunch of people that are interested in what you do and wanting to ask questions. So where is typically when we're doing events like workbench con or I imagine been you at Maker Faire, where a lot of people are familiar with what you're doing and interested in you know, connecting with you and chatting with you about what you're doing. It was really a bunch of people that were completely, I guess, unaware or ignorant of this whole online community that we've built. It's a bunch of people that are still waiting for that Wood magazine catalog to come in so that they can find their plans and go build, you know, whatever they're gonna build that week. And so are you saying everyone was really old? Dude, everyone was definitely definitely a senior, but it was still a really great group.

It was awesome. The fact that you know they are seniors and everyone's got their hearing aids in, But they're all coming to take classes to learn more and get better, like it's still is still encouraging to see that. But, yeah, the event was sold out, the classes were great and while I was there, actually got the opportunity to take a tour of Craig Jiggs facility there also based right outside of Des Moines, Iowa, ironically enough, so we got to go into their factory where they make all of their plastic components as well as a lot of their milled aluminum pieces and man, those machines were so cool to see. First off, I had no idea how much they are manufacturing in the U. S.

Of all of their components and pieces, about 75% of their products are made in house in their factory in right outside of Des Moines. So shout out to them for that. That's awesome. And it was great seeing all those machines. They're injection molding, plastic giant machines. I don't know what you call him Sounds about right. It was awesome seeing him, you know, fill that mold. And then these robot arms coming picking them up, lifting them onto an assembly line where then, you know, a human with dexterity is ableto take off all the tabs moving on to the next part of the process and and set all of the dies. And all of the all of the things that the drill bit kind of rides on in the jig,

all the metal pieces. So thank you to Craig for that. It was awesome to see that and then meet, you know, the CEO and a lot of the product designers around the tools that I'm using from a brand that sponsors me. So that was That was

great. Was the CEO Craig,

you know? No, but his grandfather was named

Craig Craig Craig, but

it wasn't smelt like Craig. It was C r a I General. Hey. R e j Normal. Yeah, it's funny. We kind of got a little bit of the birth story. And apparently the person that invented the Craig Jig was sort of just, you know, a weekend hoppy builder, but more so just an inventor of sorts and always coming up with, you know, this product or this idea. And it was whenever he met someone working at a cabinet shop and they were talking about the fact that it takes a long time to build a face frame where he had that idea and he actually built it for, I think, his uncle that worked. I'm sorry.

His brother that worked in a cabinet shop. It was the guy. I spoke to his uncle and it was a really rudimentary piece of milled aluminum. And it had space to drill one pocket hole so you would drill one, then move your piece of wouldn't drill the 2nd 1 but they called it Craig's jig because the guy just called it that, you know, he's like, is the jig that Craig built for me. So he called it Craig's jig like my pen. Then eventually. Exactly. And so then whenever it came down to actually building that into a business, for some reason, he didn't want to name it Craig. The way he spelt it, he wanted to differentiate it some way and called it the k r e g J,

which I guess is that with his list exactly which, which has to be good in hindsight, for Google, right, Because no one actually has a name spelt that way so it can't get confused with any potential celebrities

could call Mike, I want you to look at your analytics in, like, a week from now and see if you notice an uptick in that demographic range from like 65 older.

I hope so. Because right now it's a percentage of 1%.

Yeah, see if we can get

1%. I was about to say, because any any improvement is gonna be really noticeable, because right now it is really,

really small. Two orders of magnitude higher.

All right. Yeah, But aside, from that while we were in town, we got to tour one of the larger corporations in the Des Moines area, which is called the MEREDITH Corporation. They are that I don't know, conglomerate that owns would magazine, along with do it yourself magazine many more in the kind of D I Y space, like a magazine called before and after, which is actually really neat I had not heard of prior. It's what you would imagine a magazine about Spaces before and after a transformation, and they take the time to kind of talk about why they did what they did with the people that did it. But we got a tour of their entire facility. I'm talking this company, MEREDITH. They just incorporated Time Inc So that's Time magazine that Sports Illustrated.

That's people magazine. All of these print outlets that no longer have the capital to support a New York City office space, this corporation is just scooping him up and incorporating them in tow into the sort of facility that they already have because they're working in thous hundreds of thousands of square feet. It was really, really impressive to see their their whole photo studio spaces. It was actually, you know what? For us it was encouraging because they've got all these test kitchens for, you know, like a better home and Garden magazine and different culinary magazines where they've got this test kitchen where the sink doesn't work and there's lights and things just everywhere. But whenever you look at the monitor and see what they have, the camera pointed at it looks beautiful. But if you had a pan like two feet to the left, it's like a mess. That way, if you pan to the right,

is the message that way as well. So for me, at least two usually has a huge mess in the shop, except for what the cameras pointing exactly at it was just cool to see that. That's what the pros are doing as well. And they've got different photo sets built up all over the place for living rooms, kitchens, bedrooms, where it's just, you know, three walls in an open face for cameras to roll and dollies to be able to move around. So it was awesome. It was It was great being able to take that tour, and it was really cool. Seeing the fact that there's a conference that's able to support itself, and the attendees are not on the Internet.

So that really makes me curious about that corporation that has all of these other magazines, like Do It Yourself magazine and things like that. It makes me think like, Hey, you guys need to be putting on a conference for the people that are interested in what's happening online. So hopefully that's something that could happen as well. But it was a great time. Des Moines was really cool. A lot better than I expected. So a lot of fun. What did you get down? What did you get down to? What were you up to, Chris, while while we're out doing

that got down and up to Let's see. Okay. So last week, as you'll recall, we were talking about what I should do from a next project, and I was talking about, you know, it's kind of burnt out on plywood, have been doing a lot of plywood projects, so wanted to think of something different. So after our conversation that day went thought about it for, you know, I was still editing some videos. I had some time to think about it. And then I finally came up with it. And I've spent the past six days or so building a plywood bed. So so much

for not doing the opposite of what you're gonna went right now. Going on. You said you said earlier. You said last episode that you already had a whole set of bedroom plywood furniture designed. Did you scrap that and come up with something

new? No. Okay, so the bed I stuck with the original thing. But I think I'm gonna abandon a lot of the other pieces that I had already worked on just cause I don't want to be on, like all plywood all the time. The bed made sense because it's kind of the centerpiece of what all this was. And then I was making the rest of the stuff to sort of match it. So I'm not gonna do that. But

they're gonna go a little bit more eclectic with all the accessory piece.

Just e think it'll just be a better opportunity. You know, if I'm gonna make potentially four different pieces or whatever, they're going to go in there. It'll be nice to have four very different videos compared to very, very similar videos, especially if I don't want it to drag out over the course of like, you know, a year whatever, where I'm trying to space out videos that are too similar.

So does that mean you're putting a projector in it so that you can have it project onto the ceiling like

we were mentioning? There will be no projector in it for the video, but that may happen down the road. Awesome. Timing wise,

it doesn't What Perfect. What do you plan on doing? How is it different? Let's hear about

it. It's basically just like I wanted to make a very functional D i Y sort of platform bed. So something that there's nothing really weird about. It's just like a very straightforward tons of storage, you know, scalable thio. Whether you have anything from a twin size to, ah, California King, what have you got? By the way, are they called? Do you guys have California kings in Oklahoma? We do. You don't call that Oklahoma King Oklahoma every still we don't know. The other thing in Oklahoma King is just a pile of

hay. Well, no, I think in Oklahoma King is just substantially wider

instead of substantially longer getting what? All right, that's enough, Dick ragging on Oklahomans, ragging on old people, Man Mike, the gloves are off this week

for ill. As as a native born Oklahoman. You're allowed to not condone this. Oh, I'm allowed to. Okay, great. There we go.

What are you going to say? Something you don't condone or you don't condone what you've already said? I don't condone what I've said. What you've said or anything bad about Oklahoma is wrong. I don't know. I've never been there, but

I assume it's I don't have to bring you guys out sometime.

I know to think everybody got them both. I think

everyone's got a real strong misconception about, you know, Oklahoma cames this south. You know, everyone just thinks it's cowboys and Indians still, I mean, it is, for the most part, I'm not getting in there, right, but yeah, there's other things, too. But it's funny. I actually have a quick story if you don't mind. Chris, you know me hopping in upon So on the way back from would conference we were flying American Airlines and there was a lot of weather.

The morn Iowa actually had some tornadoes while we were there. And Dallas, where I was getting my connecting flight, also was experiencing some thunderstorms and things. And it didn't look like we're actually gonna be able to leave Des Moines my flight, at least. But they ended up kind of just going for it, and and we made it find there was there's a little turbulence, but no problem. But whenever we arrived, I noticed that my connecting flight had already been delayed about an hour, which was a little bit of a bummer. But I don't ever get too upset about it, because whenever I'm sitting at an airport, I'm usually editing video. So it's not time lost for me.

And as we're sitting there at the terminal just waiting around the flight just kept getting pushed back every 30 minutes I would get a notification. And then the the attendant that was at the desk eventually ended up making an announcement, saying, Hey, we're just waiting for another flight attendant. As soon as we get them, we're out of here and I'm like, Okay, good news. Fine Problem solution all thumbs up after two hours the flight attendant never showed up. Apparently, they were also supposed to get on a connecting flight to Dallas Fort Worth and then be a part of our flight to Oklahoma City. But that flight never made it. And so we were short one crew person, which made them cancel

the entire flight. I'll be okay with no Red Bull on this vest. Exactly. What else can we just all agree not to have pretzels? You know? Good

and so long Story short after getting very frustrated with American Airlines, Um, I was kind of stuck with having a two day stay in Dallas and not being able to get home for another basically, day and 3/4 or they could connect me with. Actually, I think that was it. Now that I'm thinking about it, yeah, my only option was be on stand by tomorrow, which would have been Monday along with 100 other people that were in our flight. And I'm like, guys, realistically, is there any chance of getting on this drive from? Well, you're about to find out, so I decide.

You know, American Airlines is like they're not going to done. They're just They're kind of treading water, Just trying to not have people get too mad, you know? And so my garden cool. I'll just call a rental car company. I actually saw a friend of mine that I went to high school with. They were waiting in the same terminal on the same flight. And so me and him are like, you know, just sitting there were like, What are we gonna do? I don't know. I'll just rent a car and he's So we decide we're gonna split, split a rental car. I called them. And first off, there's an under 25 rental fee area, which is the worst thing ever.

Come on, people. That's what I never thought about. I'm a good driver of the rent A car,

right? Well, apparently I'm old enough to rent a car now, but it's an extra 40

bucks. Just get that Home Depot truck way

should have. And so I'm on the phone with the rental car company when another guy walks up his Is that what you doing like talking to a rental car company? Why, he just hangs the phone. I just got off right, he says. Well, I just got off the phone with him, and it's gonna be X amount of dollars, which was considerable. Uh, and she's like, dang it. And so he asked, You want to just split an uber? Oh, and my initial reaction was, like, not a chance. I don't know how much an uber is gonna cost, but

sorry, but, you know, funny if he was an uber driver and he was just talking you guys

into it, right? And so I still ended up asking them How much is it gonna be? And it was only a

225 bucks, I think is

what it was. It was a little over 200 bucks, considering it's a three hour drive. Oh, that's in between the three of us. It only costs about 75 bucks apiece. Uber we you bird from Dallas to Oklahoma City with just like, Oh, dude, we had never met before. And then our uber driver, So he made a couple new friends.

What did they say when he found out I was gonna be that long? I know

because an uber driver doesn't know where you're going, so you get in the car, so don't they? No, no, they don't. It's part of the whole confidentiality hurricane Nowhere going. They are

a lot of uber because uber's when he doesn't drink and he lives in the suburb, right? I don't have a lot of, but

not I. So in uber driver doesn't know where you're going. They do have the option to opt out, but it does kind of hurt their score. Buddhism with uber. Yeah, things of as being unreliable. And so the guy asks us, He's like, we're all going. We're like Oklahoma City. Any laughs, as in just like he totally blows it off. And so then he looks at that and he goes, Oh, yeah, you're seriously going And we're like,

Yeah, and we tell him if you've got to cancel, we understand that That's a lot to ask at one in the morning from from a lift a driver. But he end up saying yes to it. And so we made a long drive in it. Yeah, yeah, he was.

You pull, you pull among

the camera. He was definitely a character. He's staying with me for the next couple weeks. Yeah, he was a real character. He builds. He build stuff out of palate would. And so we got We got a chance to kind of chit chat a little bit about that, find some common ground, but yeah, he was telling us about all the good strip clubs in casino in the area.

In fact, no one in the morning we

could stop by which Texas doesn't even have casinos. And so he was telling us about all the casinos that air on the way from Texas to Oklahoma City and tell him I already know they're there, but I'm glad, you know. So yeah, so we made it. And it was just It was funny thinking that we ended up having to take an uber all the way from Dallas to Oklahoma City. But we made it. But continue. Chris, you're a project. The bed. Yeah. Sorry. I totally

cut you off the words. I'm almost over our I'm almost finished with it. I just have the headboard left to build. Yeah, there's not really much else to say about it. I guess we can. We're already pretty deep in the episode, so why don't we move on to the question that was submitted right after a quick first mike Get off of my turf. My corner man sponsor for this week's episode is Trade Coffee. I drink coffee every single day. I like to have it on hand. There's nothing worse than waking up and opening up that covered, and you realize you have to go to the store before you even have your morning cup. What with trade. I've eliminated that problem. It's a fantastic supplier of coffee, and it doesn't through a subscription service.

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Wow, You would have a slamball

court. Yeah, that was my dream when I was a little kid and finally gonna realize it and a go kart racing.

As I say, You guys remember slamball? That was that was pretty hyped for about two years.

That was That was well, after I had conceived of and then abandoned the dream

of you Thought of slamball independently.

Mine was a little bit different, but I got a slam ball is in the 2000. Like I was, This was this was my, like, fifth grade kind of dream. This was all nineties. Wow, that's pretty on something more realistic. If you guys, what would you guys build into your dream home? Well, okay,

so here's the real question. What are building codes holding us back from

that? I guess Nothing standing in our way, according to this question,

right? I don't know. I don't know much about building

codes. Been. You know much about building codes now that you've gone through the process mostly there for life safety and right egress and also sort of like neighborly type considerations. So I don't know. I think the for me hypotheticals are lessened interesting when you remove all constraints just cause, I mean, you could just make up zero gravity room, right? And also, when it comes to a house like the ultimate luxury, the most luxurious thing, I would mean location is, I think, the biggest thing of expense. Right? Like, you know,

in a city like living in the right part of Manhattan, but having a ton of space, that's $100 million house, you know, Uh, so those kind of things are cool, but they aren't the things that are super appealing to me. The single biggest kind of physical luxury component would be some sort would be like something that's displaced or out of context, but really convenient, like a like a farm in the middle of a city s so that you could have all. So you can have all the conveniences and social life and culture of a dense city, but still be able to walk in your own apple orchard. To me, that's the epitome of of luxury. Now the sort of more realistic version of that would be no really cool compact garden and a private chef. When I think of the things have actually contribute.

Maur dated a value in terms of health, convenience and just just making you know, food better than you do that. That I think, would be that, like the sort of types of things I would focus on, You know, it's so if, like just getting super realistic and basic like, I would love to just have an office. Right now, I don't even really have an office, you know, just like a dedicated bedroom that I could use as an office. So that's a very realistic thing. Also.

Always think one of things, like with working out there, is such a huge difference between having a gym right where you are versus even just having to drive for three or five minutes to get to the gym like it just makes such a difference in the amount that you'll realistically probably get it done. So having said that, I would love to have a bad day urinal who your rhino, as they say, Yeah, over the pond.

I think I would like the best of both worlds. I would like a urinal as well as one of those incredibly fancy like Asian toilets that have everything built in where you got a whole touch pad computer built

in where it's just a whole thing going pretty warm.

Julia built in, but a You know, it's gonna snack bar

Asian calculator. That's a pretty broad, a hole in the ground, right? Because if you go to China, that's so different than if you go to Japan. Well, that's why

I said hi tech like one of those super high tech holes in the ground. Yeah, I'm not talking about, you know, the elevator came standard. Yeah, exactly

like that must saw me having Masson. It would be awesome.

That would be really cool. And that's

something you could build to film like a Sander Project Backyard?

Absolutely. I think for me it's finding What do I find myself doing most of the time during the day, My the majority of the time I'm building or I'm editing. So what you're saying Chris about the shop is super convenient. Absolutely. I'm on board with that one as well as having that office space being conducive to filming kind of talking head content. We've got a good back dropped where if you want to make some kind of like when you do? Let's talk about design. Yes, I think would be cool if you had a space where you could just plopped right down. Your camera kind of has an angle that's standard, and you can just kind of sit down and just a lot

of setup. Just click it on in your role, and that would be awesome. But

for me personally, the things that I do most outside of that is playing playing basketball. I do that once or twice every week with slamball armies, so I don't know that I would want to slamball court. But I would definitely definitely be on board with a basketball court. In fact, doing that Craig factory tour I'm not sure what the facility was prior to them owning it, but it has a full size basketball court who was

where, operating like their games. They're happening weekly. Er, here's

the thing, and I could not believe it. No, they do not operate it as a basketball court. They won't let anyone play basketball in there because they've got a bunch of they've got a few different shops setups in there where they have different RND teams doing things, so they have a shop that's about the size of a car and 1/2 garage set up with their different tools and things so that it's practical. And then they have sort of what you consider like a midsize shop, a little bit smaller than yours, Chris. And then they have one that's super super compact, all kind of in the space, so that the people that are doing the testing for their products are kind of experienced, experiencing them in real world application. So that's cool. But I don't know that I would sacrifice a basketball

court for it. You got to get them jump shots in. I'm looking around because I'm recording right now from the shop, and I'm looking around thinking there could easily be a basketball

who've been here. Oh, absolutely.

You definitely shouldn't be floor space for it, but I still get the hoop in there.

You could move this sauce stop aside, get on those wheels. We hope it up, whoop it up, and then and then for me. The other thing that I do more, more regularly is just kind of play instruments and mess around with music. Since I still have all of that back home in my parents, that's something I've been doing a lot off. And so I think if I had the space for it, it would be great to have a little studio set up where similar to what we're talking about with the Let's Talk about design content, where everything set up, ready to go, the drums have a space for them to always be set up. The guitar amps and pedal boards are always laid out toe where it's just plug and play, because right now it's all in my room toe where if I want to play the guitar, I got to kind of pull everything out.

The drums were always tucked away, they're never set up. And so it would be cool to be ableto be able to do that because that's something that since I've taken YouTube on is a career. I get to do a lot less. And so I think it's great because I think one form of creativity always lends itself to something else.

So what happens though I don't There should be a name for this conundrum or this paradox where it sucks to have to take stuff out and set it up when you just want to get into it and start using it. And and so it sounds like a really nice idea to keep adding Maur square footage to a compound so everything can be set up individually, right? So in the case of what we do in a workshop, it's nice to have a really big workshop where everything's all spread out. So you never have to move. One thing to perform a task on a different thing. Yeah, but at what point does that start to diminish? Because things are so spread out that you don't have the quick density. Everything's like a walk over here or walk over there. Yeah, that's a really good question there, even though I don't know where it is. But at some point, you over expand where you start wanting to contract and compact again a little bit. Yeah,

people would ask me from time to time like, Oh, how do you have your shop set up, or how should I set my shop up? More importantly, and I always would say, like, I definitely have a focus on the fact that I'm filming what I'm doing, and I would not have my shop set up this way if I were not filming myself in here. Like, I very much changed my set up when I started you tubing even in my garage and the way that I have things set up in my shop. So what you're talking about again, like even just, you know, they're like, from an efficiency standpoint of how you have your shop set up and where that kind of tipping point happens,

I think is even different for what we're doing. Compared to like if you were just tryingto, you know, build things efficiently, right? Like even think about it from the standpoint of a work station or a desk. I'll organize my desk every once in a while. Not often enough. And Sunday nights Yep, I'll put everything in its place. It's all sort of laid out. But then, when I work, I keep pulling stuff closer in this kind of semi circle directly around me. Coffee cup. Ah,

different USB tight drives, too, to go between the different devices external hard drives, camera card, scissors, pen, sketchbook, it just all starts to accumulate

around. It all needs to be within arm's

reach exactly. And with a with a workshop, it's a little bit different. That's again. And I've mentioned this idea a few times when I really like that kind of NASCAR hospital model where everything stored away and separate. But then they bring out the things for a specific task on a cart. So there's still prep time, but really specific, easy prep time. I don't know. This is a very stupid thought that I'm having right now. But I was when you were saying that Ben, I was just imagining like a 360 desk were like, I need to do this now and you just spin and then you're like in that section of it. And then I was picturing, like in space. If you have the same thing except for now,

it could be like a full spear. Save you like I need to do some drafting now, and you're just like rotate up 90 degrees and then start working on that. That's a future baby. That's what I think. Progress Circular desk. We get really claustrophobic. I think you want match in the sphere of a really long desk that you slide along the assembly line dusk just around the entire perimeter of your resources. The desk?

Yeah, like the chair is on some sort of track. You press a button and you go right like you don't have to be on a roly chair where you're kind of kicking yourself. You just press a button and it

that way, or even just having like, different desk set ups that are on a sort of lazy Susan. So it would rotate around me like, now I can work on this, but you stay

put. We'll from a shop perspective. That's what seems so cool about having a separate metal working woodworking and maybe a what I would consider like a clean room. So if you wanted to do something with epoxy or other things that air that need a good, clean environment toe where none of those three spaces need to be huge, But having them separated, yeah, might be the value. Add

right. But then there's gonna be something where you made something that's wouldn't meddle, but you're have to grind the pieces down with an angle grinder. So that fell into the wood. You're gonna be Do you go back and forth for where do you do it, You just said, Oh, I know what work you set the whole thing up. So, like a bird's eye view just looks like a huge Venn diagram. And then those crossover points are where those two things could meet. Exactly

the center of the Venn diagram. You all feel it's the messy zone. That's where the messiest things happen.

It's funny, so the auto desk build space does that in the Boston space. Nice. It's very separate, but very few of the projects people are working up our separate. Then they're often hybrid that involved three D printing in metal or wood and metal. Or,

you know, out of curiosity, what are the common sort of machines and operations that are happening because I know they've got a lot of big therefore workshop automated stuff. But is there a considerable amount of table sob

You full tables, you know, festival stuff para Matic, all those things. Big band saws C and C's. But they were separating all the digital fabrication, and they didn't make enough assembly floor space, so people were always taking projects and assembling them next to the tool where they were just cutting and that was creating a lot of problems for other people. It's kind of like it was It's not like it. But if you designed an airport, you have similar challenges. Where if he designed an airport from the standpoint of people Oh, we This is a waiting room for this flight, and it only needs to hold this many people that it would be this big. But airports are really long and stretched out because they have to make rooms for the planes to maneuver and access thes runways, which then have their own characteristics. And it's why there's so many people movers and just long hallways of nothing in airports.

Yeah, true everyone, especially man. I don't know. You know, I don't travel that Atlanta airport is long. Okay? Yeah. Yeah, I know it's

a lot nicer than the Dallas one, because the Dallas one is every terminal is detached from each other, taking a stupid buses. Yeah, or? Well, they've got a good train system, so shut out, toe Shut out to them for that, actually. Gonna take a

stupid bus hop on this stupid bus down to Terminal B. Um, So I was thinking when you were talking about having like those separate rooms. If I had a space like that, I was thinking one of the where it would become a really big pain is moving the peace around like I already have that as an issue something and I should really build, like some nice sort of mobile platforms that can store, you know, stuff that I reach for often but then can also be like a place to park larger pieces while I'm mid project like, especially with this bed build that I'm working on. It's essentially two really big pieces and one medium sized piece and you know, often time I have to, like, flip it over to get to the underside or, like, you know, move it on. I've probably lifted each piece like onto the ground and then back up to the desktop three times over the course of this project. Where's if I just had, like, four carts like that that I kind of built? Maybe I like carpet the top or something so that,

you know, doesn't that maybe about four feet by four feet or something

smaller, like almost picture as local sawhorses that could so, like maybe it could be courts that air just picture like a cabinet or something like that. But then maybe like you throw a piece of two by four bit like clamps, both pieces together. So not form. Sort of like a longer up like sawhorse. But it has a utility bill under it, just like, you know, some doors or your drawers or whatever in there, but can lock it together for holding larger pieces. And I guess if you just put something heavy on and it would be fine, But, um, I think that yeah, I think that's something I should probably do, cause I would get some function out of that would make projects like this a lot easier, built him like this, like as the workbench is. So then you could just slide things right off and on.

Yeah, and sort of have a few carts with the standard assembly tools. So this is kind of your go to cart and then you have accessories

to it. Yeah, I'm gonna think about that. That could be a future project that could give me some functionality.

I agree. But we've diverted from the original question which was talking about homes, not shops. Yeah, we did. So I think we've all figured out that if you had a house with no constraints, it would have a big shop in it. Yes, but what else? A waterside. Oh, hell, yeah. Fire. Like a like a fire man Pole going from each story. If you

gotta have the house. Obviously, I'm that at the YouTube space in L. A. They do? Yeah. They got a little little fire pole you could slide down. That's surprisingly. There's no, like, waiver to sign or anything. Just go ahead,

slide down. Nice. Nice. Yeah, I do agree with you, though. Asano would be cool like a good gym. A good sauna. I think that's awesome. What I would really love, though, is just a big open area with just a lot of natural light. Picture that picture room. And I think that's why I love a frame houses so much because you've got your kind of whole living everything past. The kitchen usually doesn't have a loft over it. And so you've got one incredibly high ceilings. But when you have that full face of the cabin where it's all big windows, it's just so light open, and then that just leads right out onto a deck where the whole space sort of continues to flow out

into nature are a frames pretty much generally like a cabin sort of thing. I guess they just be somewhere like views are important traditionally, Yeah, but serving it really only

for you when they get big, right, people build them huge, I think. The sweet spot for me that I've seen kind of online a good kind of 2 to 3. Bed two bath is kind of perfect because you've got your main A frame with the living kitchen and a loft upstairs. But then you can have a little annex to the side That's got the kind of master suite I remember or any auxiliary

bedroom. I don't know if I'm imagining this, but I feel like when I was a little kid. So, like in the eighties, all I hops were a frame. Buildings that sound familiar could be through. And now there's a wiener schnitzel. That's a frame, which I'm wondering now, did that used to be an IHOP?

Well, the great chain water burger is also a frame syndrome

water burger. Remember you talking about him before? Yep. Anything else in the house? I take a wiener schnitzel in my house. Actually, now that we mention it, I think that was a terrible idea. Be eating a lot of chili dogs, right? Definitely moved out the day. I think that would take, like, three or four years off your life. At least easily. Every year you would use lose 3 to 4 years.

Yeah, but are those is the life taken away Worth it? Considering the quality of life improving,

I say, if you're not eating chili cheese dogs, are you really living

where you really live? In jinx?

You almost look, I think with all these things to it becomes, ah, an issue of sort of maintenance where the responsibility of static, the whole schnitzel and everything, right, like there's nothing Maur lame, then going in like a super luxurious over the top house that was all decked out with all the cool amenities that's like, 15 years old. But when was the

time period where people were sort of making what you would quote unquote like the house of the future, where there's, like laundry chutes and each bedroom that go down to the laundry room, fifties and sixties, or like a centralized vacuum system where you just kind of sweep it. And then there's a little wall port where you can take all the

dust. Yeah, the like. If you have been in like, a nice hotel and you go check out the gym and it sze again really nice hotel. But the all it's like all Nautilus equipment that's like 15 years old and not used that often cause the hotel gym you know they used. It's not like they're getting crushed like Equinox or something. And what is Nautilus stuff? It's like those workout machines with cables and white plates and yeah,

or just like ellipticals and treadmills.

And so it's almost completely useless relative to how people sort of work out. And the people now know that these that kind of single joint exercises there kind of silly in a lot of ways, and the machines take up a ton of space. So you have this big, clunky, expensive gym that's relatively useless elite

because all you really want are just some decent free weights,

right? So it's funny with the that, and that's why my I wouldn't be thinking about just what I want to add. I think the ultimate luxury is also what you can omit. Ah, because of how your programming to

rest of your life, right? So with that in mind, though, I think that's where I think just having good versions of the things you use all the time, or maybe extra extra large items of the things that you use all the time, is maybe the biggest value. Add So having a really nice, really large fridge or having ah, one of the one of my favorite things that I see in houses are when you have a kitchen and you've got your standard sink against the wall. But it's got a kitchen island with a second singing. And so when you're prepping and when you're washing vegetables or everything before you chop it up, you've got a space that's separate from your dirty dishes. Or both of you could be doing you know, something that needs the sink at the same time.

Man, I have two sinks.

That's what I know You love beauty shop. That is really don't think that's right. Yeah. Shot bathrooms. Yeah, awesome. Well, if you the listener has any ideas for what you would do if you had an insane house, let us know hit us up on Instagram at modern maker podcast, and maybe we'll shut it out next

week. Slamball. Or if you have your own question that you would like the three of us to address, hit us up on Instagram, slide into RD EMS and ask your questions. Yeah, feel free to ask us individual. That's a good point cause we're probably

more monitor those pretty often exactly everyone's looking at their own. Diem's really often I usually dip into the modern maker podcast Diem's about once a week.

Yeah, just say good question for the podcast and then proceed

Totally awesome. Well, what you guy's obsessed with this swing? I got no, Everything's been You've been traveling. Oh, Chris. Okay, let's hear that. A lot of good outside of woodworking

obsession these air two bands that I've followed for a long time to get up kids who have followed for a really long time. Are you familiar with the mike?

I'm not. Give me a give me a little

info. Okay? So they would have been from, like the mid to late nineties, kind of like M o pop punk sort of style. They quit being a band, probably, I don't know, 10 years ago, and then they got back together. And it's not a great album, but it's It's pretty good, like for what you'd expect, you know, abandoned that your favorite album from them came out like 20 years ago. You're probably not gonna expect a whole lot from this album, so I think I win in hesitant that it would be good.

And then I was pleasantly surprised. It was pretty good. So if we're not already into them, I probably wouldn't sell you too hard on them. But if you are into them, it's it's worth listening to. It's a good it's

a decent amount of nostalgia to

Yeah, then one of the bands that I think has a terrible name, and I feel like they were a band that I didn't want to like when they first came out, maybe because of their name. But then, like a sooner that listen to me. Oh God, these guys are pretty good vampire weekend. So this is, I think, their fourth album. I would say it may be their worst album today, but still very good. They're good men. Like they're a bandit. Like, you know,

just all right. I'll just leave it at that. Worst of all, you don't say I like it. A minus was, does

it? What about you been?

Oh, I can have some stuff that I'd get judged for. Who we. Okay, uh, mind is gonna be Cem Cem. Architecture picks. So I was doing some research. I'm working on the next house that I want to build and also on a workshop. I'm kind of working on these two projects concurrently, and I'm not sure which one the minute you first. But they said before I ordered a bunch of polycarbonate because it's material I'm interested in, something I'm gonna be incorporating into the next building build. Oh, yeah, Polycarbonate. All right.

So you don't have to Not like, technically, but let me tell you how it it's where have I seen it's a clear plastic, okay. And how it's different than acrylic. It often looks like acrylic or gets mistaken as micro as acrylic. I believe it's harder or is usually harder, and it's more. It tends to be more UV resistant. So it's used more in exterior building applications, greenhouses. Things like

that here is also pretty impact. Resistance

is right, I think, for a lot of the bulletproof glass is actually polycarbonate and what they're standing behind on Mythbusters when they were blown stuff up. Exactly. And I think the lenses of your glasses are there's a good chance that they're polycarbonate, so it's probably harder than acrylic. But the polycarbonate I'm talking about isn't solid. It's these kind of double or triple wall sheets, almost like that sign board packaging. That's sort of like Corbett corrugated cardboard, but plastic. And it's not of Ripley sine wave Cora Gatien. It's more like linear cells. Okay, so it's a transparent or translucent material and get it in four foot by eight foot sheets. It's lightweight. It's really strong.

It's UV resistant, and it lets in light. So it's about the stuff I ordered is about 140 to $180 a sheet, depending on how thick it is, which is how many sort of walls like it could be twin wall or triple wall, and the more sort of walls and air pockets, the better insulate er it has. And then what? What can you cut it with? Just like a heist. A high tooth count saw or something? Yes. Or in some cases, even a hot knife. Uh, walls are relatively thin.

You'd have to cut both walls at the you know, if it's the double wall, but anyways interesting. Yeah, so I'll bring some down the next time I'm heading into L. A. Because I'm building. It's this or how I'm tryingto work now. And it's just a little bit more formalized and what I've done in the past. So I want to build a building where polycarbonate is one of the big components of the building, and but I might let me get for more familiar with it first. So then I said, thinking, What would be the kind of furniture or home applications that kind of D A. Y applications with it. So

I ordered something with a cool silhouette, right, because if you're gonna let that light transfer happen, you gotta have something interesting

behind it. The other thing I was thinking is, well, it's very lightweight and Strom So I was thinking for a wardrobe in doing the doors out of it because then it would be less weight on the hinges. And I could actually build my own or three d print My own hinges for it because it's not as much weight on the door. So that's really great. That's that's always the first place that my head goes with. Any of that stuff is even just like, ah framed panel of it. If you just like a thin sheet of it, because it yeah, it would reduce the weight so much. And it's like you can get colors in things like acrylic and stuff it without us really serious paint set up. You can't really achieve painting would write. So I ordered a bunch toe do some furniture and DEA Y applications with to get familiar, learn about cutting it, fasting it and just also they kind of once you have something that you sort of worked with.

I feel like more ideas come out of that kind of just playing around with it and having it around the shop. So but anyways, the the funny thing that sort of happened was I was looking at poly carbonate stuff on Pinterest as as I do and I saw the name of the architecture firm and I was like, Oh, that's my college roommate. Design this building. So was it. Just think Pasta guy. Now you're talking about that first it is, But we all lived. We all live together, is in the same circle of friends. So the firm is called. Who does Souza? It's a tch. Oh,

you underscore D e underscore Souza S o U s. A. Check them out. So it's actually two of the kids that I went to design school with that Cornell, they ended up getting married. They were college sweethearts, and they started a really awesome architecture firm doing incredible work. So if you look at who D'Souza on instagram, their work is phenomenal and they are my shut up because there's social. I mean, they're getting tons of like, you know, major design press button. Their social media is not commensurate with how cool the work they're doing is who to Souza. It's

cool. I'm looking at their website now, and I'm looking at some of the poly carbonate structures that they've done. They are really, really cool. So definitely check that out. Yeah. So, uh, yeah,

those are my, my, uh, my college

buddies. Now, I don't think this is something that we should chat about in this episode at all, but I want to say it so that we remember, or at least the audience might hold us accountable about talking about this going forward. Remind us what I would love the more your ex Monday. Awesome. So you just mentioned you went to school with these people, but they're also like your roommates with him, which is amazing. That's awesome. And for me, like I mentioned at the airport, I caught up with a friend of mine that I hadn't seen in about two years. Last time I saw him was at a wedding, and he's gone through college. He's graduating this year to be a history teacher,

so that's not exactly the same thing. But it's interesting when you have people that you're spending every day with whether that's people you're going to school, whether just, you know, friends at work, all this sort of thing when you have similar interests or different interests, when you have that time to go away and then you get to come back and talk about what you've been up to and sort of those comin through lines that people that are similar or interested in the same thing have. And then also how people tend to diverge and kind of what you're talking about been like to them, you've completely taken a left turn, gotten away from traditional, like working at an architectural firm and doing the 9 to 5. You've completely kind of flipped that. So it would be cool toe here about how that's gone along and your guy's life since you guys have a little bit more life experience than I do and maybe relate that toe, the people that listen because I know I have people that reach out to me all the time in the D M sze whether they're in high school or they're looking Thio, maybe pick up a trade skill and they ask, You know how I like what I'm doing Or maybe some possible options if they're interested in building things and being creative, So I think that would be really it would be valuable to me. I would love to hear about it, but I think our audience might be interested to

know. But what's your obsession

my obsession this week. Wow, that is a good question, you know? And I am gonna You know, that monologue made me totally forget it Forgot this week

catching up with old friends. They're all right. See you next week. Everybody.

All right, by you know, I would say my obsession this week is dovetails. I got the opportunity to set in in a dove, tells class at would weakened and wood and the instructor did it. Instructor did an amazing job of breaking down the anatomy of a dovetail joint, which was what I was so confused about. What? Our pins. What? Our tails. What angle do I need to be cutting these? That because dovetails have all these different ratios. You can have a 1 to 4 dove tell you can have a 1 to 8 dovetail. And prior to this, I had no reason why you would use one over another. So I didn't really get any hands on experience.

I'm not any closer to actually having the physical skills to do it. But being ableto picture the joining my head, understand the terminology and know the steps is making it so much more approachable. And it's got me excited to try him. Not on a small scale, like on some drawers or some cabinets, but on a larger scale, like a two by six dining table, maybe an outdoor dining take Holy orders.

Only Mike goes and visits a Craig gig factory and then becomes obsessed with details. Think he's gonna zig? I'm gonna say, I thought you were gonna say duck tales at first, which was my obsession for everywhere until you get off my block again.

Sorry, sorry, sorry. You're very influential, Chris. She

didn't know that theme song,

Baby. That's right. Well, thank you, everybody for listening. We hope you enjoyed this episode. If you did hit us up with a review on the podcast app that just lets the iTunes that know that we're a good show. Yeah, and that it should suggest us to. People outside

of visual said we want to put some distance between us and the rest of those visual arts.

Paul, That's right. We're we're already or already industry leaders in the visual arts category, but who knows? The games and hobbies category, which is where we probably should be. We don't even know if they know about us. You know, we're trying to get on. Uh,

I think we're in the right category. You think? Several arts. It's definitely some crossover in the Venn diagram. Well, here's my thought On their very eyes is that they're very broad. Any category that were leading,

we're in the right place, right? First, you're last on others. That's right. So thank you guys for listening. We really do appreciate it. Were at martyr. Builds at four. Eyes furniture in at Benjamin you ETA on history Until next time there's been the modern maker podcast by everybody.