Why should girls make all the effort and then guys be like, yeah, we all want to date a 10, but we look like a negative two. Hey everyone, it's Chloe here and welcome to the sake podcast. There's no Youtube video. It's just gonna be an audio sitting down with my friend here Miss Random. She doesn't want to be identified. We're gonna be talking about um using on like modern day dating for women in our twenties. A common topic that it's always discussed between the both of us. How do you think like modern day dating, How's it been for you? It's,

it's kind of hard because I guess we have busy lives and also higher standards. Previously it was more of you are sort of expected to meet a guy fall in love, get married, have kids and so on so forth. But now for a lot of women, it's more like we put ourselves first and our careers and also we want to meet somebody who is actually somebody that we like not like some random dude that we together with and then we have sex and have kids and then like, you know, like we might not even like that person. So yeah. And then we also have higher expectations for the guy that

we meet. We have a bigger and wider exposure to things right now. It's very different from life. Yeah, I think they really prioritized making sure that there's a blood life or like generation. Yeah. I feel like women these days, we have different authorities, different priorities

and it's not so much about the family anymore. It's more like what are we going to get out of it? I think for a lot of us it's like only got one. Like it's the real YOLO sort of mentality I guess. Not that I'm gonna die YOLO mentality, but I've only got one life.

You are more than just a mom mom wise. Yeah. And I think once you get into like that cycle of like working, it's really no time. Okay. Tell me like how you know, what would you like a day in your life for me it's like like 9 to 5 and it's not 9 to 5, come on. It's not, it's never 9 to 59297

or 7-7. You wake up early, you got already start for the day,

that kind of thing. And I reach home and I just feel like so exhausted like Exactly. And do I really want to do that, how you doing

then go on a date and then like, oh you got to socialize game, talk to this guy who might or might

not really like it. It's hard. It's hard. I don't have to put it. I just feel like it's hard the

people that you meet in uni and the people that you meet when you're working is going to be different. That's going to be like, yeah because you're going to be a totally different stages of your life. Yeah, we're going to be old aunties and tell you guys like take it easy.

People I guess like you need time. So so many, so many

like their Children, their Children, you you are Children. If you're it's different priorities and so what you want, if you want to have fun then sure go ahead. But if not, if you want like a heart, I'm gonna marry this man, you might wanna, it's not good.

I guess when you enter the workforce, it's a weird stage in your life. You should feel at one point like your friends who definitely not interested anymore. It's not going to happen. And do you really want to date people from work a little bit weird and most of them are like married with kids and the ones that are single, it gets very complicated and then you don't want to be in a situation where people might be talking about it. You know, some, some people do work out like really well like they get married eventually, but I mean there's an option, right? Why not? Like look outside, but like let's wear tinder

coffee meets

bagel comes in. Tell me more

about that. You have to sift through a lot of ship. Okay, so your eyes gotta be like wide open. You run into a lot of

weirdos. It's hiring. I think hiring you,

you kind of do the same thing over and over again, like they're like hi how are you, what do you do? What do you like, you're just sitting there like oh God, here we go again. Damn it. This is the 20th time discussion. Like

you should just do an automatic automated checkbox to reply this right?

Like Yeah. And then, I mean the first time I was on the app, I was very like a little bit like closed off a bit more on the wary side. But then I stopped and I came back again and now I'm more like bucket, let's just try, you know, just just keep an open mind about the whole thing and then who knows? You know, you sift through the ship, you might find a wee little dime.

The golden egg or the turtle? The turtle. Yeah, that's the one that we always, we

all want a golden turtle. I mean let's all be honest, but I don't want to work anymore. I just want to live my

entire life. Yeah, I just want to be like, like I don't want to work anymore. I just want to lie down what

I want to do. But and also yeah, you might meet a crazy cycle. You really wonder what their mom would think if they saw the sun send you that message and you're just like,

can I sleep with

you? You're like, do you want to get a room tonight? Like come on man, this is your first message to me really, really well, we're on CMB for crying out a lot. If it's like Tinder fine but CMB like, okay.

Anyways, at least they die, right? Like if that's what they want, like they just tell you like right away instead of like you like really investing your time and like, you actually feel something for that person. And then actually sex is all that one. Just bang it. Go like, leave your ass and

then you're just like, oh sh it Well, you know, there's people who like their like trying play mind games with you a little bit. I don't know. I mean, I'm at that stage where I'm kind of past all

that. I want to think it in the way right? If and when I actually really get on it, like seriously?

If and when we're all waiting slowly do

it. Okay. The one the one time that I was on and you remember you did that profile for me. Yeah. So my name was leo, do you remember my name is leo

we catfish.

Catfish, basically. That's what we did because we were scared. Okay, like we're

not, we got all sorts of weird messages. It was not fun. It's not fun. It's not fun being a girl. You know, you message guy, you just think like, you know, this is going to be, maybe that's gonna go good. And he's like, so when you want to come over and go like this

ship, do you want to like bang bang tonight? Yeah,

I mean when when a girl tries to be upfront, possibly a little bit more straight, more honest, I would say and take a more active role, they always think you're in it for the sex. What part of being straightforward means that you want to just

because the girls are dating app doesn't mean that there are, you know, they might really want to find real love, which is what these dating ads claimed to do, quite true love, which I want to think that you know, if that relationship actually turns out, well imagine you have saved through the ocean and you chose each other, like how beautiful

is that? That's

a really sweet way, Yeah, that's a really, like sweet and I want to believe that because I do it, I don't know, maybe on to the next question, do you think that you know, dating it's hard because as successful woman or like a woman that has her own career has her own ship to do, it becomes harder for you to

find and I guess you kind of want to get a man somebody for myself, I think I have dreams and aspirations and I think I am slightly driven towards, I guess I guess I can say that okay if I'm being very flattering, but yeah, I want a guy who has drive, you don't want a guy who's like you you are so driven and then not, not that I am very driven, but you know, you're so driven and then this guy is like every day is going through life like half sleep in it. You want you want somebody who also has his own dreams and aspirations and the two of you just work hard. You

guys always look at a single girl single wins because you guys ask for too much or because you guys have way too high

standards instead of us lowering our standards. Why don't you guys up for real? Why does it always have to be the women to

make compromises? And I look at my friends and all of my friends, you know, they're all so gorgeous, smart, but then it's not easy to find people because quality of men these days or maybe because of very high quality man is also looking for a very high quality woman, right? It's

like we got about, I mean it's a two way street. Okay.

You think that like men should have a higher salary

than women? This is a really tough one because like

it is right. I don't think that equality between men and women is attainable, like people gonna hate on me on this, but I'm going, I say this, I don't think that you know, men and women can be equal because biologically we are very different as a women. Like I don't really want to be so equal with you in the sense that like how to put it like it would be nice guy treat me nicer. I think that's a fair statement. Okay. Yeah. In terms jobs in your skill set salary, of course men and women should be equal in the relationship to be equal. I think that you can be doing all the heavy kind

of see where you're going, kind of agree or so I guess we're just conditioned to think that way because like that's how our parents used to think, you know, grandparents and whatever because it would be nice if I can earn more, but if he does, there's, there's no problem with that like, and I don't see why he should then have a problem with you if you're learning.

I think, I think men these days are probably okay with that to be honest. Like I've asked my friends, do you guys do less of a man if you are a partner earns more in the olden days, like they'll be like, oh I can't accept this,

you go with.

Yeah, but these days they're like, oh yeah, like our

dear girlfriends earning more

than them. I think some of them, Yeah, Ali wants his said it really well, like a man who feels less of a man because like wife earn more is the kind of man that doesn't like free buddy, would you date somebody who is shorter than you because you Utah girl man, you is tall,

not that tall actually, no, it's also very conditioned

in like

you don't want to like look down, it's a very society thing. Yeah, like whenever we see somebody with a shorter guy, just like what's going on? What's happening? Yeah, so short guys really do have the short end of the stick, no pans

there, but but you guys are good in Malaysia planning or short girls.

Yeah, it's a tall girl. It's hard. It's guys like the cute mall type. No,

I beg to differ.

You guys always like, you know the type, you know the cute girl, you know, Oh yeah, tall girls, you

got somewhere

else, european tall

guy. Yeah, but what about looks, looks nice,

looks kind of matter matter. But also it comes down to the effort. Why should girls make all the effort? And then guys be like, yeah, we all want to date a 10, but we look like a negative to, you know, completely agree. The fact of the matter is looks do matter no matter what As girls, we also want to be seen with a man that you know, we want to show to our girlfriends and this is my boyfriend, look

how hot he is,

my boyfriend, you know, guys are doing girls Yeah, Oh don't date a guy where we're like, please don't show your face, my friends like hello,

wear a mask. Like, oh my God, like cover it up,

Photoshop his face, you may not be the most handsome. Like you, you may not look like you put in the effort. Girls can also see that correct and it really does change a lot of things through and the girls might be more attracted to you because it also shows that you make effort. That's the most important part. But don't try too hard. Yeah, I mean I don't like

I guess we're just like very like constipated people like very um not the word overbearing.

Yeah,

that's the word. I know you like made an effort. But do I really want you posting like selfies and O. T. V. Shots like 10 times a day? You know you're

not really. Yeah,

you do

you but not really. It's nice to see a guy make efforts full stop. Okay, that's just what I'm going to be I guess right. You know, I'm just gonna put it

there. I think we should stop because we're going on and on talking about nonsense. You're not drunk, just had a glass. Yeah, anybody who can relate to like how challenging like modern day dating is. You guys can let us know,