Nutrition and Bio-Hacking w/ Martin Tobias, CEO, Bulletproof Labs
How to Live to 200 Podcast
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Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of how to live to 200. I'm Ta McCann, serial entrepreneur venture capitalists and advocate for the quantified self. What is bio hacking? If you're listening to this, there's a good chance you're a least familiar with the concept or know what that means. Bio hackers are emerging group of enthusiasts, many of whom come from the tech industry looking to apply the latest concepts of disruption, experimentation and innovation to the broader notion of health to bio hackers. Taking a daily vitamin or working out 30 minutes just isn't enough. They're looking for the latest enhancements and advancements. Maybe you've heard of cryo therapy or float tanks. This is the kind of stuff these people are into. Forget fish oil, maybe the secret to living longer and better lives in N a.

D or even nicotine. On this episode, we talked to Martin Tobias, the CEO of Bulletproof Labs and someone who is certainly on the frontier. Bio Hacky Martin is quite a colorful guy to give you an idea. His latest company was the product of a poker game, but he's also successful entrepreneur, and he's been a prolific member of the Seattle entrepreneur Oh, community. For decades he's co founded multiple companies, led numerous startups and worked as an exec at Microsoft and even a venture capitalist. Lately, Martin has been interested in bio hacking. His company, Bulletproof Labs, is a health club unlike any other.

It features the latest, most premium gym equipment and access to the most cutting edge experimental therapies. Bulletproof Labs has only one location in Santa Monica, California, and some pretty select clientele. But we think you'll enjoy learning about the latest trends bio hackers are betting on in an effort to extend and improve their lives. And now this is how to live to 200.

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So, Martin, welcome to the podcast. Hi. Thanks for having me. So tell me, you know, as a tech entrepreneur, tell me about your journey from being a tech entrepreneur to being the CEO of Bulletproof Labs. Well, the long ish journey and the problem or the cop proximate cause of it, like many things in life was a poker game. And, um so I sold my legacy to win the bet or you lose the bath. Uh, I'll explain. Um,

so I sold my last software company was five years ago or something like that, and I had been taking two or three years off, and I was mostly just surfing and hanging around my kids. And I started doing some new things, started trying to meditate again on, um, doing some listening, listening to a podcast, trying to get smart about some areas that I didn't know much about. And, um, when I started meditating again, I was using like, a couple of APS. And But I was thinking to myself, Oh my God,

there's got to be technology that makes meditation better because this meditation thing, it's great. But sitting in a cave for 40 years, you know, humming a song or something that takes too fucking long. There's gotta be some way somebody that tact, meditations. I want the benefits, but I don't want to spend the time. And that night I listen to a bulletproof radio Dave Asteroids podcast, and he was talking about this program called 40 Years of Zen. He has, which is down in Kent. It's a week long intensive neurofeedback thing, and the goal of that project is two in one week. Give you get reprogram your brain to give you the benefits of 40 years of meditation,

but doing it in a week. And I was like, Oh, my God. That's exactly what I'm looking for. A technology hacked to make myself, you know, enlightened in a week and all It costs money. So I call him up and I go, Okay, It sounds great. How much is it? They go $15,000 for a week, and I'm like, huh? Okay,

well, I mean, I got $15,000 but maybe you don't think about it. This is on Wednesday. Thursday night is the CEO poker game with all those guys. You know, Sack and Lou and all those guys. We've been playing this game in Seattle for 15 years. I go to the poker game. Guess how much money I went. 15,000. $15,000 exactly to the dollar. So the universe delivers me the money. I called Dave on Friday. I go, I'm coming 40 years.

So I go there. And that week Dave just happened to be there. And, um so, you know, I got kind of involved in the bulletproof ecosystem because of the 40 years of Zen program. And when I was there. I asked him if he was. I thought it was pretty smart. Guy thought what he was doing was interesting. I said, Are you raising money? Turned out they were had had around open. So I just wrote him a blank check without doing any diligence, which is so fun. And,

um, but it's turned out well. I mean, he's a smart guy. I'm like, here, have some money. Let's let's go have some fun together. And then I started listening to more of his podcast, and, um, you know, he has at his house like 10,000 square foot thing. He calls outfit Labs, where he's been buying a lot of regenerative medicine stuff exercise hacks, cryotherapy,

float tanks, all these things and trying it all out for a long time. He's been the chairman of the Palo Alto Longevity Institute for like 20 years. He created the term bio hacking. So he's been, you know, he tells people he's gonna live 180 has a whole formula scientifically backed of how he's gonna do it. And I got kind of intrigued with that. Not that I was that I want to live to be 180. But I'm like, sure, what? I like to be more vital. What I like to, you know, have more energy and and stuff like that and work out,

you know, less. I've been a guy that's worked out my whole life. I've done the Iron Man, and I like sports and stuff, but I don't necessarily like the time that you have to spend on doing that. So I went to his house and I tried out a couple of those machines and I'm like, Oh, I love all this shit. I'm gonna vital for my house. So I literally put in orders for $300,000 worth of stuff from my house. I was gonna buy a crowd therapy machine of aspirin, machine on air, ex machina float tank and all these things, and we could go through the different technologies. And I told Dave,

that's what I'm gonna d'oh because that big house, your big house, let's just buy the stuff hat And he goes, none of Martin. You don't want to do that because all your friends are gonna come to your house and it's a pain in the ass. T is gonna be there all the time using your machines. And, uh, what I want to do is only the one in white. Only the one in Hawaii. Just make y Yeah. Yeah, I'll put it at my house in a way. And he goes, actually, um,

you know, so many people have wanted access to this technology that I've had that I'm thinking about turning it into a retail experience in trying to find a way to make a membership sort of model for this. And, you know, I'm building one down in Santa Monica, and what you should do is come help me turn this into a business so that we, all of our friends, can go there and not bother us at our houses. And I'm like, Great sounds great. And you had me at Santa Monica because it's by the beach. So that's how I got kind of sucked in. It was, you know, just, ah,

poker game that turned into, um, helping my friends, um, you know, live healthier, happier, more vital lives. And when I started this whole thing kind of to get back to your longevity topic, many of the claims that I hear from the machines. And the things that day was talking about doing sounded very dust like total bullshit. And I'm like, so the way I'm gonna figure out if any of the shit works is I'm gonna take my baseline bunch biomarkers, and then I'm gonna do the things I'm gonna measure everything. And so I started measuring my bio markers. You know,

including testosterone, I g H levels quarters, all just yuppie telomere length stuff like that. Trying some of German things, stem cell therapies. We'll get into all different things. But basically, over the last eight months, the summary of it is 45 of my major biomarkers have actually reversed in a pretty material way. My telomeres in eight months have gotten 19 years longer. So right about that. You're 37 your telomeres now 37 my telomeres. And that was about three months ago. Ready for in my blood. You're 34 0 good. That's right.

Excellent. Um, I'd like to do that test, too. And I just did another telomere test, like, two weeks ago, and I hope I don't I don't know what the results are, but I'm expecting to be even less than that 37. I expect him to be around 32. So maybe you could tell everybody, like, what's a telomere? Sure. So, um,

you know, when you're talking about things like longevity and health and vitality, you know, you need to understand. You need to pick what measurements you're gonna use to measure vitality and health and things like that, and one of those that is commonly used is telomere length. And what telomeres are are the ends of your DNA strands. And every time a cell divides, the telomere gets slightly shorter, and over a lifetime, you're telomere. Length is roughly correlated to your physical age, So if you are 53 years old, you're you should test the length of your telomeres. They should be about 53 years old. If you've lived a really hard life burning candle hard on both ends,

you might be 57 56 something like that. But they have their databases that relate length of telomere, tiu, sell, sell age, and so there hasn't been a lot of research is into what happens if you re grow your telomeres. But it's basically something that degrades over time, just like normal hormone levels degrade. You know, hormones peak in late twenties and are down 2% year over year after that. So medicine has said that sort of the normal course of aging Andi. And that's what happens. Telomeres is that they get shorter over time all the time. And but what they do know is that shorter telomeres make for less resilient cells. They know that as cells, as as telomeres get to be a certain shortness,

the cell becomes weaker and weaker. And that's one of the things in aging that makes you susceptible to cancer and all these things. So there's a lot of research around short, telomeres being bad because they're the cells are less resilience Now. What there isn't any research on yet is what happens if you re grow your telomeres because no one's done that really at that scale. And, um, but it's more about not re growing them. At this point, it's slowing the decay, slowing the shortening if you can slow the shortening, but they know for sure short telomeres make for weeks. Weak cells means susceptibility to disease, so the op, the inverse should be true that if you are, if you slow your aging of your cells over on average or,

if you are able to regrow them yourself, should be more resilient. There's another measurement of there's 45 other measurements in there, too. But telomeres is is an interesting one because it's very easy to measure. The test is cheap. It's like $100 test. And yeah, so I'm pretty happy with that. And what did you What did you do specifically to improve to go from, as I read on, sort of a post from your sort of natural age to a much younger age on your telomeres? Well, you know, when you're in this kind of hacking environment, you do a bunch of different things,

and it's kind of hard sometimes to correlate exactly which things air doing what I just do. Everything that I think I've read enough science to believe will be beneficial but specifically targeting telomeres. Probably the one thing I did was to take this Russian peptide called EPA Thigh on, and, um, it's been researched quite well about 40 years in Russia. There's a ton of research on it. The patent is owned by a Russian company, and they will not license it to an American company. So there it will never will unlikely be available as an American drug company because the Russians won't give it to us. And how do you How do you take it, or how did you take it? So how? I took Epstein. So I've done four cycles of epa thigh on, and,

um, the it the way I did it was you get 100 milligram vial of it and it becomes free stride and you reconstitute it with various static water. And then you inject one mil a leader, which is 10 milligrams of epi thigh on subcutaneous lee every day for 10 days. So you stick yourself in the stomach with a needle and part of all of this thing. You know, a year ago you would have never gotten me to stick myself in the stomach with a needle off. But I've done it 40 times for the upper thigh on. So I did separated by two months apart. Four cycles of 10 days of apathy ion and each cycle, I think, gave me 45 years of telomere growth. And if we think about just something like that, how did you find out about it? How do you mentally validate it? And how do you then think about prescribing and using for yourself.

And I know you've done lots of different kinds of therapy. So walk somebody threw that sort of mental process of discovery, validation, prescription as it were. And then, in your particular case, sort of measurement and improvement. Well, t b, you know, full disclosure. Of course I'm not a doctor. I never have been a doctor. Haven't played doctor on TV. I'm a hacker. I'm a guy interested in this kind of thing.

I am a big advocate of people taking control of their own biology and making their own decisions based on the do that they have. But based on actual data as opposed to just somebody on an Internet forum said, This is interesting. So actually, the way I found out about Uptime first was from Dave, and he pointed me to some research. The first thing I did is I read probably 10 studies that have been done, you know, persons rat studies this and that. And I convinced myself that there was enough that there had been enough science that there was unlikely that there were no material side effects. Some of these things that you read about will list, you know, crazy side effects, like this guy grew 1/4 eyeball or something like that. And, um,

this one, you know, the 10 studies I read noted basically no downside on it and and some interesting potential positives things. And and it had been used in human clinical trials at one time in America. So I was like, Okay, potential good outside. No identified downside. 30 years of research. But you know, no American pharmaceutical company behind their market reasons why it's not available. Even setting aside all the conspiracy theories that you know, this kind of mechanism, if it works, can could get rid of a whole category of drugs where drug companies make money. I mean,

once you get into some of this region, especially the regenerate medicine stuff in the stem cells stuff, when you start talking about curing cancer and curing diseases and making people materially Maur resilient and healthier on a broad scale, there's a lot of resistance to that. In the existing medical community, farms will sit because they make most of their money on maintenance of things like diabetes and cancer and symptomatic things. So curing diseases is not in the economic interest of anyone here, and so you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to understand that. So I basically read the original research myself, heard about it from Dave and then said, You know, OK, that's something I'll try and I set up my own study. I took the test before, did it and everything that I've tried. I've tried to come up with some kind of measurement mechanism to see if it works for me,

because even if you read the general research and works in a mouse study or whatever, I mean, here is one of my first problems. I'm not a research or anything, but how do you convert a mouse model to a human model? If you go on, read what the National Institutes of Health tells you to do. They basically say, Take the mouse dosage per kilogram and divided by 100 that's the human thing. But they have no science behind that. It's not related to the efficacy of particular drug. They're just like we're trying to be conservative of scientists. So you know, that's what we're gonna do. So figuring out when a drug's entrusted on mice the dosage for a human is really hard. I don't know if my dosage was right,

but I read 45 different conversion models and pick one myself, and then I just did it. But since I was doing my own study testing before and after, I figured, I figure out whether the dosage was right or not. But while we're on the subject of sort of dosage and supplementation, tell us about your experience with any D. So first of all, maybe explain what that is, what you expected to have happen and then your experience with it. Yeah. So throughout this whole sort of journey process, I have discovered a ton of things that are elements in my biology and relate to how well you're able to show up in life and your overall health and stuff, and that I had no idea, like, two years ago,

I don't know what Telomere waas. I didn't know how to regrow. I didn't know the benefits. Having long or short telomeres in a D is one of those things, too. So in a D is. Actually, we'll get, We'll get it. You'll get it later. It's a long word. It's basically vitamin B three on. It's been studied and around for a long time. It hasn't been. It's a pharmaceutical thing. You have to have a prescription,

so I would not recommend anyone take it without doctor's order. But it is also, uh, something is already in your system. It's a co enzyme in three different cycles in the body, the primary one being the Krebs cycle, which creates a teepee in your mitochondria. So it's a co enzyme in that it's kind of like oil. That's a lubricant for the cell doing its work and, for example, in the Krebs cycle trip to create a TP. It's also something that the body consumes or can get generated if you drink a lot of alcohol or opiates. So probably 98% of the energy research has ever been done out. There has been around alcohol and opiate addiction and recovery because it is amazing for getting rid of the cravings and for rebuilding people's might a condo function because that's the primary, because any D levels are the primary thing that get destroyed during addiction, so probably a 95% curate addiction treatment within a D.

Now is 10 days of in a D. I. V s eight hours a day, 1500 milligrams a day for 10 days. It has a 95% cure rate. There's lots of people using it for that. But the way it works is by and there's not a very good test for any D levels were low. But if you have low in a D levels, what happens is your cells don't work very well. So you have brain fog. You have weird cravings. You have depression. It's because it's it's a fuel source for yourselves to do their job. Like all cellular function is degraded in the body. When you're in a D, levels are low.

We're actually working with a company right now to get on over the counter clinical in a D test level. There's all sorts of problems with stability, of the blood, oxidation and false positive, blah, blah, blah. But if we could come up with a test, it would be amazing, because then you could someone could come in and they say I have all these crazy symptoms and you test there any D levels and you go, Oh, my God. You know, you have 90% or in a d is gone. Let's start there and then see what happens. So let me tell you what happened with me.

I didn't I wasn't walking around saying, Oh, my God, I have any problem. But I did. Um, first time I did five in a D. I. V s in five days. The first time I did it, I heard about an 80 and took a similar path. I was like, Oh, entity, what is it? How's it work?

Oh, it's in the Krebs cycle and it's, you know, required for cell function. So if you're trying to look in my sort of idea around longevity, I look for a lot of elements that are sort of foundational in the body across many things. And I figure if I can keep those underlying systems working well, you'll address alive the issues that turn out to be symptomatic of above. So tell him you're length. It's one of those. All your telomeres grow like all your cells are more resilient. Any D levels, if you're if you increase your energy levels and yourselves can function better. You think better you can run faster. You can. You know,

your immune system works better. All of your cells work faster. So I said, OK, let me let me try to work on that one s o. I did five Ineighty IV's in in five days and I didn't know my before levels in the minute after limits. There's no test, but I noticed a bunch of things change pretty quickly. I do a cognitive test. This there's an alco brain check that checks executive function short monster memory, stuff like that. Um, after those five Ivy's my executive function went up 200%. My short and long term memory went up 300%. A lot of cognitive improvements. And it was just,

I think, because the levels of the receptors of any D had been filled up. And when you call on your brain, too, do the work like thinking it's able to get the energy and the enzymes it needs to run the Krebs cycle and create a teepee quicker. Eso you're able to do that? I really like the fact that you blogged about a lot of this stuff. And I read that block Post, which is super really good in both in terms of what was your hypothesis? What did you test? What did you measure? And so I appreciate that the block post will include a link to that in the show Notes for sure. Oh, good. Thanks. Yeah.

So, um n a d has turned out to be one those foundational things that I'm trying to pay attention to and work on I There's three ways that I look at supplementing in a d right now. I have done in a D. I. V s and those are kind of expensive, but they're something that you would want to do If you've never done any of it, you'd want to do three or four in a devious to get because most people's levels are down and you should just do a couple ideas to get it up. Second thing you can do is to take on N a D precursor product, and there's two major ones. The one is a true knight engine, which is something we sell. It's an end. Our precursor. The other one is a lease IAM basis, which is basically the same thing in our precursor. And if you look at all the science behind,

you know, Felicia basis that they're saying the same thing, which is N a. D. Is the Molik longevity molecule because it is supporting all cell functions. Keeping all yourselves more resilient and basis again is like true nitrogen is a precursor on what it's doing is giving your body Maura the precursor chemicals so that it could create more of its own n a D. And it's been proven, withdrew, nitrogen and basis that by taking that on a regular basis every day, you can increase your levels 20 or 30%. But that's kind of a daily supplement maintenance type thing that is encouraging your body to create more in a D. That's good and what some something everybody should do. I encourage everybody to take a n a d sort of precursor thing because that's just helping your body create more of it. And then the third way that I take it sometimes is subcutaneous Lee. You can inject 100 milligrams of n a d. If you have a day where you want to just get shit fucking done,

you inject yourself a higher milligrams. In a day you will be. You will have the ability to focus and get work done. It's not a stimulant. That's the other cool thing about it. So it's not like caffeine or it's not like, you know, cocaine or opiates or anything like that. Since it's a co enzyme, you basically have more, you know, oil and lubricant in your body to do whatever it is you want to D'oh. So if you've got a, like do a presentation, you gotta think you gotta be like on I pressure. You don't want a podcast.

But if you want to be really on, you will be on literally 30 or 40% better with some in a D. We'll cut. We'll have you back tomorrow. I'll go do that tonight you come back. Tomorrow will be 30 or 40% that all right, and let's get back a little bit, too. Bulletproof labs. So give everyone sort of quick summary bulletproof labs a couple of the most sort of useful therapies that air there, especially with a focus on longevity. Okay, cool. So Bulletproof Labs is sort of Dave's first bio hacking facilities, so it's a place where you can go and actually do experience bio hacking technologies that are shortcuts for different kinds of things. So we have exercise shortcuts.

We have brain training shortcuts. We have immune system function, things. We have supplementation. The first locations in Santa Monica. It's a personal trainer model, so when you go in, you get a bio hacker tech that can help explain and help guide your journey through. These different technologies will talk to you about whatever goals you have. You want to sleep better? Do you wantto lose weight? Do you wantto? There's all different things you can control in your biology, and we'll put together a program that goes through the machines that helps you meet your goals and the kind of people that come into bulletproof labs fall into basically three categories. One are people who have some kind of chronic autoimmune, non responsive disease.

You know, auto immune people. Ah, Hashimoto's disease. People, hyperthyroidism, people, people who have not been well served by the current medical system and want some symptomatic relief and try some new therapies. Onda. We have things that can help them, that technologies that those people tend to use relate to immune system function generally. And the technology we have there are things like cryotherapy. So that's where we freeze you too. Negative. 240 degrees. And have you ever done cryotherapy?

I'm not Well, the idea of all these technologies is to give the body the minimum viable stimulus that it needs to restart or to redo What? What you're trying to get the body to do. And what cryotherapy does is try to reboot your immune system. So when you stand in negative 240 degrees cryotherapy like you're standing in liquid nitrogen, the the auto immune, the immune system or the autonomic nervous system says, Oh, my God, I'm gonna die. I'm gonna go into hypothermia so it turns off, puts all the blood back to the heart. And but you're only in there for three minutes, so you don't actually damage any tissue or cause any damage. You step out, then your immune system goes.

Holy crap. I didn't die turned back on and goes into overdrive. And so what you've done is boosted your immune system function. It's a common thing for pro athletes, especially in Europe, to do after a game like a soccer game or rugby game or something like that, because the bomb line is that they've found that they're able to perform at a higher level the next day because after you do a big workout, your immune system is what is doing the recovery, fixing the muscles and the soreness and the inflammation and all that stuff. And if it takes its sweet time on it, you know it might not be done by the next day you play. But if you going to crowd therapy, you boost the function by 50% because you shock the body, then you know it gets its work done faster. That's so so if you're trying to improve immune system function, giving the body a shock to encourage it to turn up the immune activity.

That's what cryotherapy does. So that's for the auto immune people. Category two is a Category two is people who have had some kind of injury and want to recover faster. S O. We have people with traumatic brain injuries, which are really hard things to do any kind of physical therapy, for we've had people that came in after surgery for stem knees. We had one guy come in, had both his knees done with titanium knees. Doctor said you're gonna have a two month recovery. You're gonna be in a wheelchair for two months. After three days, he's walking with a cane. We have some pretty advanced recovery technologies. They're the traumatic brain injury. This person came in.

She had been in a car wreck, had a concussion. We did a brain scan on her and her brain was all freaking scrambled. After three weeks, she got all of her cognitive function. She couldn't function. He couldn't concentrate for more than two minutes. She couldn't balance. She was a pop star like singer and did like rap dancing videos. She couldn't didn't have balance because of her TV. I in three weeks she was back to doing our own videos and she could do all of her dances. And her brain scan cleared up because there was basically misfiring in her brain. And the technology to be used for her were mostly And for this guy, that recovery people are pulsed Electromagnetic fields pimp, which is resetting the electrical charge in yourselves. Increasing circulation also,

uh, exercise with oxygen. So you want. Have you done that? So with the mask? And what that's doing is flooding the brain in the system with oxygen, Oxygen gets rid of a lot of inflammation type issues and infrared light therapy. We have to infrared light beds, and that stimulates a lot of hormone production and repair things in the extremes. Then the third category of people are people who just generally want to perform better in life. They want the exact busy executives that you know wanna think better deal with their stress in their lives. Better people that want to have a workout that takes less time be more efficient with their time in the gym, you know, lose weight. Something like That's the category of people that just have a specific goal that they want to improve. But they want to do it faster and more efficiently.

And for those people we have, you know, a weight workout that in 12 minutes replaces two hours of weight training we use. It's a rex machine. Have you're so you're lifting weights against a computer and you're loading the negative three times faster. So you're you know, you could do five reps on this thing and you're freaking finished. But it's the most efficient weight resistance training you can get $120,000 machine. We have another machine that's cold, cold hit machine that gives you a three hour workout in 20 minutes, and it uses Kolding compression to concentrate lactic acid. And so what? What it does is concentrate lactic acid at the level of what you would f. You ran a marathon but does it in 20 minutes. So your pituitary gland responds to get rid of the lactic acid levels that it thinks you ran a marathon. But you only did in 20 minutes.

So you get the benefits of three hours of exercise in 20 minutes and that, you know, if you're trying to lose weight quickly. If you're trying to just recover, you know some of the injury people. But you just want a really super efficient work out. That's that's for that kind of thing. On two ends of the spectrum, one in being what things that are sort of happening at bullet proof now are closest to getting what I would call mainstream in normal health, more prevention, and then the other end of the spectrum, which is like, What are the things that you and Dave are sort of experimenting with that air on the bleeding edge way? Think about all of us leading and slowly commoditize ing and making more accessible. So one of the things that are closest to accessibility for sort of the Joe every day I think you talk about well, probably things that are closest are the earliest,

the first things that they've started on. And I think Dave was one of the early guys talking about good fats and ketosis and, um, the benefits of adding more good fats to your diet. And you know, that ended up with bulletproof coffee, which is butter and coconut oil and coffee, and you know good quality snacks that don't produce an insulin response. And, you know, basically over the counter things that replace current things you could buy. But they are better for you, mostly around the getting more good fats in your diet, getting less carbohydrate, refined carbohydrates and things like that. So those are definitely available and growing that the main company,

a bullet proof that makes the coffee and the fat waters and the protein bars is It is growing at 60% of year in Whole Foods, and that's really changing. I mean, they're like the number one coffee vendor now at Whole Foods and their water product. Fat water is starting to do really well. That's probably most accessible stuff along these lines of just basically making putting products in categories that today have bad products in putting better quality products in their coffee without mold in it. You know, water that has, you know, some good fats in it for you. Protein bars that don't produce an insulin response. Things like that. Those air most available on doing really well, the stuff that's much more leading edge. Um, it's probably a rap,

but closes around this in a d. You know, there's another one that we're working on. I like. I like the look on your face, which is like I talk about this one. This one might be a little too far out there, but it's exactly what we want to hear about. Oh, even like it better with a sigh. Okay, this this this one is out there, so n a B is We're doing a lot of work on any D and there were more over the counter in a D things more clinical procedures around any more research. But that's gonna be something that you have to have prescribed the next sort of major performance enhancer. It has been official that could be over. The counter is nicotine.

And, um, you know, nicotine has bad rap because it's in cigarettes. But if you look at nicotine as just a standalone chemical and you can actually make artificial nicotine that doesn't come from tobacco, it's very good for your cognitive function is good for growing vascular new new neural connections, growing new veins and stuff like that. You'll see Dave walking around with the Nicorette mist spray and spraying one milligram of nicotine in his mouth all the time. And I think you're going to see a lot more focus on the medically sustainable benefits of nicotine separate from cigarettes. I mean, it is probably the best stick over the counter stimulant drug versus caffeine. It has as many benefits as caffeine, but it's been maligned, and we're gonna do quite a bit. Thio, bring the science behind nicotine.

Are you doing? Are you doing at bulletproof labs? Are you also planning. So we've obvious talked about the physical nature of that. Are you also planning at bulletproof or are others or other places where you could imagine the types of therapies you describe that are much more medically oriented? I go this place and do my ivy. I do this place where I'm having my subcutaneous injections. I go to this other place where you now have a much more sophisticated regimen around that type of more clinical work. Yes, that's what Bulletproof Labs is. Bulletproof main corporation. Coffee. You know, protein bars is going to be things you can buy in whole foods. Safeway QFC, sort of standard mainstream distribution.

Bulletproof labs is where all of the crazy ideas that Dave has, you know, that are more clinical or where you have to come and go and use expensive equipment are going to be. And that is going to include even potentially some products that you know would not be initially accepted by mainstream distribution like our nicotine ideas. I mean, that's not something that Whole Foods is gonna want to put in first. That's gonna go out through a clinical network like bulletproof labs, where we've got members that are looking for and searching out these, you know, really leading edge technologies. And we talked earlier about stem cells are clinical stuff. Right now, we have mostly Myers cocktails, I these blood tests and N A. D IV's in our clinic, but we are putting together upgraded and proprietary versions of some next,

some some next generation clinical procedures that are in the regenerative medicine space. Now we're gonna be a clinic. So we're not a consultation, doctor. We've got a medical director, but we're not a place where you come in, You get a diagnosis for something and, you know, he works a particular regiment to cure a disease. We're gonna be a clinic where we have standardized procedures that have been proven to work in populations but are targeted at a specific things. So let me tell you some of the perrys that we're working on, So we were talking about stem cells earlier. We're working on the cell enabled versions of a couple of standard regenerative medicine procedures. Are you familiar with the bow shot P shot? No. First tell us what V cells are,

and then oh, shot pizza. Okay, so, um, so, uh, in the stem cell world, there are three standard places you can get stem cells and the fourth that is new. You can get out of post stem cell extracts, stem cells from adipose tissue, which is your fat. You can get them from bone marrow, and you can get them from cord blood, not a posting and bone marrow are allowed by the FDA and regulating another starting to cramp clamp down out of post. But cord blood is not allowed in America yet,

which puts America behind. And cord blood is probably the most efficacious stem cells because they're the youngest stem cells versus the adipose and even the bone marrow ones. They've recently discovered V cells, which are virgin cells of stem cells, which are in the blood and our past to you from your mother. And but they're not active, and they need to be activated to be turned on, and they can be activated with disease. But they also recently found that you can extract them from the blood and activate them with a laser and so you can turn them and their smaller, you know, normal. My, my CML say it wrong, but like adipose stem cells are 15 microns, large V cells, or three microns,

and most of the blood vessels to the extremities are five microns. So having much smaller stem cells that can get out to the extremities is very good for stem cell treatments. So there's so there are many clinical procedure original medicine procedures today that are standardized and done it scale like the ocean at the P shot the vampire facial. Um, I'm sure you've heard of the vampire facial deep, so those were done with technology technique today, which is called P R. P. So they extract the blood, they red blood cells. They spin out the P R P, which is platelet rich plasma from the blood, and then they'll do a procedure with it in the vampire facial. What they do is micro Needle, inject it into the face and that p r. P regenerates the collagen in the face and gives you sort of four or five years younger looking skin.

So this is in the FDA completely approves these kind of procedures because you're taking your blood and your re injecting it to yourself, so you're not the problem they have with things like court blood is that you're taking somebody else's blood and putting it in another person. And so the bio identical nature and all the issues with compatibility so they like. But any of these procedures, where you're taking blood one person's blood out and giving it back to them in some upgraded form are generally okay for the FDA, People have been doing tons of p r p. They do p R p for hair growth to they'll inject it into the head for people with will regenerate hair and things like that They're using P r p for the O shot p shot, which is sexual regeneration. Oh, shot is for the woman that p shots for the man, and it does has a rejuvenating effect on that area now that those air standard clinical rejuvenated procedures. But they're using P. R. P. Now, what we've done is found a way to do the same procedures,

but with the cells and s. So instead of adding the P r. P back in, you're activating the stem cells, the V cells and using those in a vampire facial or in a no shot or be shot and what we're finding in the vampire facial is that with a P R P. Vampire facial person will look for five years younger with a V cell upgraded facial. They'll look 12 years younger so someone could get an upgraded vampire facial. Yes. So that's where Bulletproof Labs is going. Is taking that next step in the regenerative medicine category to give upgraded versions of current clinical procedures in the regenerative medicine space? Martin else you're wearing or a ring? Can you tell us like what? That is what it does in what you learn from it. Yeah, So, ah,

disclosure. I'm an investor in ordering the company. But that goes into the category for me of making it super simple to collect as much data as you can in a passive sort of easy way. And, um, the idea of putting an activity tracker on has always been appealing to me. The problem with most activity trackers like Fitbit and Apple watching things like that is the sample rate. Those sample at a 15 or 20 hertz. And when you go to the doctor and you get your blood, your pulse check. They put something on your finger because this post signal from your finger is much more accurate than the pulse signal from your wrist. And the or a ring is the only device that goes on the finger, and it's samples at 200 hertz. So it has the ability. It's it's quality of the signal is much higher, so you can do things like H R.

V calculation. You cannot do H R V calculation with a Fitbit because it examples at 15 hurts. And if what you're trying to do is figure out the time between Ah, heartbeat at 15 hurts, you know, 15 times a second are a minute. If you are beating at 60 beats a minute, you're missing like every third beat in your Fitbit. If you're sampling at 200 hertz, you're getting enough of a sample rate to do the H. R. V. So that's why I like the aura is that it has a much higher quality signal. We have a good A p I, and it is passively collecting all of this data all the time that I'm then using to see the results of different things. For example,

the first time I did cryotherapy, I noticed that my deep sleep went up quite a bit, about 300% up, and that's because my body went into recovery mode. But I saw it in the data because I saw the difference in deeper and Ram sleep verses light sleep over time. And that was just data that I got because I'm wearing this thing and I didn't have to do anything extra. And so, with your aura, you're doing regular heart rate you're doing H R V. And it's measuring sleep, sleep qualities, well, all passively, all passively. And that really helps me figure out, you know,

different things that I'm doing. And you know whether I'm ready for a hard workout and how that's working with somewhere like Bulletproof Labs is. We're trying to create a place where we have some state information about our members when they walk in the door. When you walk into most gems, you go to a place like orange theory, which I love by the way, they put a heart rate monitor on you, and your only goal is to do more than you did last time. They're always pushing you for higher and higher intensity, regardless of your state. But if They knew that last night. You had three margaritas and you slept really like crap and your H r V is off. You should not do a high intensity workout today. Maybe you should do recovery day. You have that data. That data is available to you.

If you, you know, had access and something like aura, we'll give that to you and that Bulletproof labs, That's what we're trying to do is to is to extract this data. The quantified self movement that was, you know, has been around has collected a lot of data, but not a lot of actionable that hasn't converted it to the actionable stuff. And one of things we're trying to do it Bulletproof Labs is to make that conversion to make it useful. And H r V is one of the measurements that can do that because it can tell you when you get up in the morning. Okay, I'm scheduled to go to a high intensity weight training workout, but my H R V says I should do something else. Therefore, I'm gonna change my routine today to respond to the actual state of my body when people start working out and making decisions in their life based on the data and the actual state,

they're gonna end up living much more happier lives. They're gonna be injured less. They're gonna not have overtraining issues. It's gonna be much a much better way to make decisions about what you do in life instead of just you know Oh, my God, You gotta beat your heart rate from last week. Is that something you do with your aura? So you make different choices. I might wake up. I might check my resting heart rate or H R v recovery score as it were. And from that I'm actually gonna sleep in today instead of going to a gym. Or I'm gonna change the nature of my work out. Or I'm gonna change the nature of my recovery. Post workout. Yes, I make I make different decisions based on the data.

That's the actual state because I've got some devices that are passive that are collecting data. They're giving me state data all the time. What are some things that you've done or sort of included in your normal routine that everybody else consorted, including their normal routine, what you've learned from all of this experimentation? Yeah, that's a good question. Other than sleep Maur green leafy vegetables drink more water. Yeah, well, you know, I have I have a morning routine that includes meditation, morning pages, journaling and supplements, but supplements that are specific based on my blood work. And I would encourage everyone to have a routine that anyone can have routine.

It does that you should have a supplementation routine that is responsive to whatever your blood work is. I mean, for example, I had my 23 me DNA, anything tested and found out that I have a methylation cycle error. That means that my body doesn't metabolize B vitamins very well, so I have to get be injections. I used take a lot of B orally, but it turns out it wasn't doing anything for me because I found out the data. So I think, you know, everyone can find their data and optimize their supplementation routine to respond to what there is actually going on. Also, the meditation and journaling. I think you know, being able to start the day with gratitude or with some common equanimity rather than going straight into your you know,

iPhone answering the tasks for the day, having that break in the morning and that time where you connect a little bit with the subconscious and planning time for that. You know, I didn't used to do that, you know, five or six years ago because I was always just get stuff done, get stuff done. But what I found is that by sort of enabling and allowing myself to take that break, it's actually made all the other time much more productive. So, um, I think anyone can meditate in the morning and making time for 20 minutes. I do generally twice a day, 20 minutes in the morning, on the night to do anything to assist assisted. Use an app for that,

Um, about half the time. I do use some technology to encourage t make imitation better about half the time. I use a mantra based meditation, but the technology I do use is a thing called the David Delight Pro, and it's light and sound. Goggle starts playing by Arnold Beads, and it has a particular frequency of light in the sound and as collector stimulus on the years, and what it does is get your brain into on Alfa State faster because Alpha's between 10 and 14 hurts, and we know the frequency of the brain waves that Alfa is in. And the point of going in the meditation is to get you into Alfa, and you know, whether you're doing a mantra with guided meditation or whatever, they're all trying to get you into that. Your brain synchronized at between 10 and 14 hurts. Well,

there's technology that will get your brain synchronized there faster on Di. Don't do it all the time, about half the time. But I would encourage people to use some of the technologies that are out there like the day of Delight. And I think the muse does that, too. I don't like the muses much, but there are technologies that will make meditation more efficient and uses light and sound to get your brain into the right place faster. I would encourage people toe look at those, but the thing I encourage most most people to do is to really just take more control of your own destiny. I mean, you are the only you're only a product of all the decisions you make, and you should analyze what decisions you're making, and are they the right ones for you? And do you have the data Thio to make the right decisions? Or are you just responding to cultural influences or things that you always used to dio and you are those things still working for you?

The things I do now for work out and brain training and all sorts of things are very different than I did 10 years ago. It's because I'm a different person, and I would encourage everyone to do that analysis and, you know, try to figure out what's what makes them a better person every day. Martin. Thanks a lot for joining us. Where can people find out more about you Online and bulletproof lapse online? Um, my blawg, which is mostly my personal thoughts about what I should do for myself. It's not really a public blood, but is that deep? Green crystals dot com and Bulletproof Labs is at www dot bulletproof labs dot com. Great, thanks a lot. You've

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