welcome to Season three of This is your life in Silicon Valley. Cast about the Bay Area technology and culture. I'm your host. See, Neil, Roger Rahman and I'm joined by my co host, Yasha K Kiss Wolf. Got a straw poll for you. Ready? I'm ready. Actually, I don't even have straw. Poll is the right word. I got a question for you. Are we gonna change our podcast music ever. I I knew I was gonna get criticized for that at some point. I'm on it.

I wasn't criticizing. I was just asking. But I do have a very serious question. When you picture startup founder or just found her in your head, what do you picture? Oh, I picture Richard from HBO. Silicon Valley White Do wearing a hoody white dude wearing a hoody. Why? Why is that? That's because that's what we've grown accustomed to. And pop culture. Well, we have somebody on the podcast today who's pretty special. Lisa Federman is ah, female founder who invented a particular type of Su ve Day machine.

Is that how you pronounce it? By the way, Savi suited cash up such a uh I just said it. Rocco Belle. And you know, I probably just said it wrong, too. But here's the thing. After today, when somebody says Startup Founder, Lease is gonna be the picture that have my head, this is a really great interview. And she is also an organizer within the, ah, the tech community for female founders. And she has a very simple message on how to fix the gender diversity problem. It's a great episode today covers a lot of ground, and I think what I appreciate about Lisa's approach most is that she is unapologetically positive and supports the people that she cares about enjoyed. Today's episode is your life in Silicon Valley.

Thank

you. Thanks for coming into this super hot little closet with the two of us. It's so freaking high. I know, like I've refused to take my jacket off, and I'm just pouring sweat underneath

us today. It's a look, babe. Well,

I mean, you just gotta hold the look, right? I think so, sir. Neil Guy constantly gives me shit about what I'm wearing, but I won't take the jacket off. See, I actually think right now the two of you should just do this podcast because There's this this this vibe that, like you two are you're like, you know, you've co hosted podcast before or something. I don't know, a past life. Uh, what were you in a past life?

Where was I? In a past? That's such a great

question. Or who were you in the past? What did you do in a past life in your most recent past? Like, what did you do?

I definitely sold stuff like either a newspaper or like Candies. I was out on the street just hustling Panhandle. And what it do, baby Boo 5 99 for this peak. A choo.

You know, that was a pretty recent past life. If you're selling Pekka choose stuff. Yeah, I get you. I think I was a monk in my last life. I think I lived really old. I think I lived, like in my 100 I was just bitter at the world because all of my friends died. And I'm now still trying to grapple with that

in this lifetime word. I was always an entrepreneur and live fast, Die young, sell the things

You sound like a San Francisco native. Did you grow up here

I grew up in China and I came to

the States when I was seven and 94 I grew up in New York, in Port Washington Island, which is heavily Jewish.

Yeah, and I thought that all of America was Jewish. I like I learned a lot Hebrew and now married to Abraham. Jacob Federman.

What's his integrate? Mandel? Oh, can we get in? Yeah, can look. And that's a pretty good one. So growing up in New York and Long Island, which, by the way, I have some family from him. That's where all happens. Long Beach, Long Island, though a little different than for Washington, right? Ah, did you ever think as a seven year old who just moved a long Island, that you were going to move to San Francisco? Was it a part of a picture that you had in your head?

I always thought, like California was mystical and magical. It's like summer all the time, which was a huge mistake. When I first came to San Francisco, I came in shorts and T shirt. I didn't pack anything else. It was yeah, I was like, Well, but it's supposed to be somewhere here.

So it was it the weather. Really? The guy you excited about coming to California? Was it the Bay Area? Did you think? Same versus goes the spotter. Just California

in general. Okay, well, with California like San Francisco was was the place for startups. Like I'd even know the words start up until somebody described it to me and San Francisco together. I was like, Hey, I think I might be a start up And they're like, Well, then you need to go to San Francisco. And have you ever heard a Y Combinator and all the stuff would

So to Silicon Valley care about female founders?

No. Silicon Valley does not care about female founders. They've only funded like 38% of companies are run by women, led by women. And on Lee, 2% got funding last year's. That's down from 3% the firm and then I have a lot of male. BC friends have a lot of friends of general people think I'm cool. They love, they love the viable of the positivity. And I love people, and I have a lot of male bc friends. And whenever I talk to them about this subject and I say, Hey, only 2% of female like cos got funded. They counter with Lisa. Well,

first of all, that's really off putting to just bring gender into this conversation like that. And also I don't like what How many people, how many women run, cos I rarely see a female like company coming to my board room. I'm like Yoda.

Why tell it, Tell us why. Why is this happening?

Because of unseen biases? Everyone, It's systemic. It's absolutely systemic. People are not used to seeing women as leaders, and therefore they can't even imagine it. Silicon Valley is the place where you're supposed to change the world where people have the biggest imaginations and the most creativity. And that's just not true. Silicon Valley is a magnification of the status quo,

So I had an interesting conversation started. Jump on Neil. We save a jar that we keep in the corner. Whenever we talk over each other, we're gonna put a dollar in it. Just remember $1 for the show, but I just talked to the top of them, and two weekends ago I was hanging out with a couple of friends. My wife and I were, and one of our friends is a woman founder who has been successful, sold a couple different companies. And we started having this conversation where I said, Look, I'm a 40 plus year old white guy in Silicon Valley, you white and I believe you're like You're very, uh and I believe that I've got bias like and I am aware that I have bias. So I want to try and do what I can to break out of the bias,

and part of that is being aware of diversity in hiring. And she got on my case. She was like, You are part of the problem because you're trying to hire women just the sake of hiring women and minorities and and and and And that's not necessarily even what I was saying. But it became such a heated discussion where I just kept going back to the well when we have a diverse population of people who are running cos we make better decisions, and she didn't buy it like Is there a way that we can help people understand that even women founders?

That's internalized misogyny, Babe, That's okay. All women are queens I may disagree with some women, and if she's got to say that, you know, like a lot of our careers are boosted by men and there is obviously this, like, innate, um want to protect the people who who raised you up? And I respect that. Okay, babe, that's internalized misogyny. Babe,

can you as a as a man in Silicon Valley tell that to a woman? Maybe that's a stupid question, but can I say that's internalized misogyny?

If it depends on how close you are to her, you know, like I I see. Like if she wants to, if she wants to say something, I think what you can say when that conversation happens, because my goal for 2019 is protect all women, protect all sluts, protect all female founders, protect all bitches. That is my goal. And if I'm far apart with someone on an issue, I will just say, Honey, we're like name Linda. I am. I'm sorry.

I'll out wall to stop you right there because we're too far apart on this issue to go ahead on it. I'll say, like I will listen to you. I'm happy to listen and like, here's what I'm saying? And I think we're too far apart on this issue.

I want you to shock us with the actual story. And so we I think oftentimes we just talked at a high level about stats and stuff like that. And what people really like is personalization and understanding how something hits home. Tell us a funding story about you or about another founder that, you know, that will really connect with our audience.

Whoa. Okay, So found for founders that I know. Um, I keep it in a lockbox. You know?

You gotta protect

your sources. Queen to queen. You tell me this thing. It's thank you. It's for my benefit. Like I go

forward. I didn't tell you something. Is it in the lock

box if you tell me something on

this podcast? Yeah, Well, not on the podcast. If I were if I were to share what share something with you after, would it be in the lockbox

if you

told me to? Yeah. Okay. Just setting that. Just setting the record straight.

What work? So I'll tell you a funny one of my funding stories. This is a doozy. So I just came Thio stairs. Let's go on my pitch like hundreds upon hundreds of V. C's and angels about Suki. I invented the home Soviet immersion circulator in 2010. Like, you know, we meet my husband. We went to the hardware store and we picked up a few things. We did a D I open source kit. We traveled all across the United States to different maker spaces. O G o G. Lived in China for two years. Next door factory to learn how to manufacture. Brought that manufacturing to America,

you know, like so, so painstaking. So O g okay, one of my earliest earliest investors. When I got rejected from so many people, he was, like, kind of like a knight in shining armor. He saw me at a conference where I was pitching hard, and he was like, You know what, Lisa? I'm gonna put in. I'm gonna put in some money. I'm gonna put in 10 K into your company.

At that time, 10 k took us like, six months. I was like, Thank you. I'm so happy that I believe in you. I believe in Sioux Feed. His name is Steven Savannah Gin. And he became the CEO of a Nova, which was my largest rival. And then they sold to Elektra Luxx for $250 million. And before they did, he asked me he was like, You know what? You can buy my stock back if you'd like, but I didn't know what was happening.

So I bought a stock back, and I was so happy was like, This is finally, you know, your conflict of interest, you know, and and everything. Like you're trying to make it right. I see it. You should have just given it back to me honestly. And then he just sold the company. And the first a Nova was an exact replica of NAMI coup. All their wording was exactly like Nani coup. And I was just like, Wow. And he is. He's a white dude. He's a white dude who's been in start ups for a long time. He saw an opportunity to make a life changing amount of money. He was like babish.

What was the last conversation you had with him?

Oh, the last conversation I had with him. Um, he asked me over to his house for dinner, and I remember this quite vividly because it was so weird because I was, like, heavily pregnant with my first kid. Um, and dinner was food from the whole foods hot bar. Ah, and he was like, Hey, um, want you to know I'm going to start working with the Nova and I said, Whoa, that's a huge conflict of interest. That's not right.

And he got really kind of mad. He's like No man like, you're just saying that because you're pregnant like the hormones are crazy. I know. Can you believe that classic is before me to everything.

So what would you guess? What do you think the repercussions should be for someone like that?

He gets he coming with the way he acted

in bad faith. What's like the VC penalty box?

Mmm. That's the thing. It's like you think you can say that this was just business? And I do chalk it up as just business. This isjust life. If you do that, you have to live with that. You wake up every day and you know you, like copy a true G and made some cash. It's not really about hmm repercussions in my book it for me. It's like it really gives me a nice chip on my shoulder. Every day I wake up and smell the fresh revenge. I want to make more money. I want to make a product that nobody can copy, which is what lets my ultimate product, which is basically an espresso for dinner. Nobody wants to follow me into that territory hardware and food and software on top of that. And you wrote to coat books like I just want to Dominy

I I love that I like. I love the competitive spirit. It's tell. Tell us about on a positive note, tell us five female founders that you're really excited by that You would want everybody, all of our listeners to know about and things that they're working. It doesn't have to be 5 53 whatever, whatever that number is,

the rest of this podcast is gonna be this. I Kaname 50. I love list Curtis. She makes the staying, which is basically like rent the runway, but in a box for your table settings. So if you have, if you have a dinner party, you have the plates even have, like the straws for the cups you have, like the candelabra. It's all set and you just rent it. And then you put your dirty dishes back into the box. That's ICO friendly. They reuse the box all the time, and then that's it. And I can have friends over and I have to stress about it.

Liz Curtis table in Teaspoon. So fricking crazy Good. And then we've got an hassle and Sarah from Winnie. They make a platform where it makes it easy for parents, talk to each other and and do a child care child. Care is so freaking crazy I'm not talking about just like urban sitter stuff, which is also amazing Shadow Toe Lynn. But you all know Len Len funded to the teeth. Linda's boss.

When do you actually do go live? She's

great, Avi. Avi. Female founders have to be like super home polished, charismatic Hello, sexy. In order to, like, get Thio get, like, even a blip of attention. There's so many more. Okay, I got a shout out to I gotta shut out Thio. Um, I I have you know, I have to look at my Facebook

thing. Oh, yeah. No, you're good. You could pull out your smart phone if you want. But while you're pondering that while you're pondering that, uh, see ya, she and I are like doing the to Mike thing. We're gonna owe him, like, $20 by the end of this. But what's I'm actually really curious about this diving. And I thought, yeah, show was kind of taking us down a really interesting threat. What are three things that every man, not just in Silicon Valley but wherever any industry should stop doing immediately or start doing immediately.

Just listen, toe women, what they have to say to you and another thing that they should start doing is back. Women, gang, gang, gang like you would back a fellow bro like somebody like. Like back then, um, give them the benefit of the doubt. Stop kicking the tire so hard you kick the tires on any car. Eventually, you're gonna freaking put a hole in that tire with your foot. Don't do that. You like when? Like men, especially male veces will see a woman led company and think everything negative about that company,

Whereas they don't think about the possibility. Still, ask leading questions about what? If this goes wrong? Ask questions about What if it goes right that you would ask a male founder catch herself? Don't ever say to a female founder who has a female lead product. Let me let my wife try this. I think that that is incredibly demeaning. Unless your wife is a partner in the fund, Look at their data. Do really market research. Yes, get the anecdotal evidence from your wife. But like, don't just say like, Oh, I gotta have my wife Look at this. I think that's like totally, totally whack.

What about outside of VC? Curious about this? Because, you know, whatever, there's only, you know, a small subset of people who are V. C's and our audience is gonna probably be mostly non veces just in general. Like, uh, just day to day work Silicon Valley Wherever.

Don't ask women to do the hard work for you. Read a book man. Read a book about feminism going everyday feminism dot com Taylor, your media toe. Learn about people of color and women and women of color like you've got to do. You've got to do the work. Don't ask a woman to like please sit down and tell me what I need to do like that. This is fine. This is a podcast. Now this'll is fine, But like because people people honestly don't know. Okay, Shadow too can June Chu of Sorceress Sorceress is frickin amazing. It's such a crazy great aye aye company for for sourcing your next candidate for the company. They I think they like they do something where, like it makes the CEO the have the ability to send out hundreds of e mails to great potential candidates. Holla!

Alright. Gosha Woody, I've got I've got so much more I could do but I don't want to go see many in the dollars are, uh

Do you like San Francisco?

I mean, you're, like, unbelievably positive. Yeah, but do you like living

here? I love seven cents going, baby, They're my My dream is to live here without the pain I love it The ocean, The Bay Bridge The people like the spirit The hustle I love like even though, like freakin dogs that are here They're so cute

So we got we got them personal hidden you upon the top five and top three list So let me get my top three list and also Yeah. What do your top three wants? Requirements? Needs Have two halves from London Breed

from London. Breed word. Yes, we need Thio. Number one take care of the homeless situation and that is a mental health crisis. And we We had a shelter for mental health like 19 seventies that we closed for some reason. But, I mean, we know the reasons. A lot of us know the reasons, but we need it. We need a mental. We need mental health here in San Francisco. Um tough three for her saying saying we need Thio. We need to have subsidies for folks who want to make more things here in San Francisco

for people not for companies or

for both. For for for our people, for people and for companies. Anybody who has, like, business startup Meca Let's just like, make it even Maur even more easier People making physical objects here that's from that's coming from me as like, um, a hardware person

maybe, uh, 111

more is that the last one is family leave is so important. I have two kids of a five year old two year old. I took two weeks maternity leave painfully for both of them. So bad. Like the placenta was still fresh. Y'all like we we need, like, comprehensive support, like we shaii ge amount of taxes up in this B, you can swear. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm trying not just wait for my kids because I do swear a lot.

That's very big of you. I have three kids, and I curse a lot, actually. A whole family. Chris is a lot. That's how we express ourselves.

That's you know that that it's good if you can do it for emphasis. I like swearing for emphasis. I don't like swinging out of control, but when you stub your toe nails, like all for you know, like I was like, You're out of control, man. Control yourself.

So we're staring at a hardware device, the sitting right in front of us, which I'm gonna ask you to paint the picture of in just a moment. But before we navigate into there, can you talk about the restaurant scene in San Francisco like what? Do you What do you like about what's happening here right now? What do you not like about what's happening right here? I know we're jumping all over the place.

What I like about what's happening here is that there is a lot of innovation in restaurants and a lot of creativity because that we have a very well heeled clientele, a k P. Peeps be rich. So we can't, like, have a lot of room and people be patronizing restaurants and investing in restaurants. Keep doing that. You're gonna lose all of your money and you should know that. And it's gonna be great. You're gonna love losing every penny that you have that you invest in a restaurant. Keep doing. Yet it's great for everybody. It's great with community. It's great for art. Art is life, and what I hate about what's going on in restaurants is that nobody can keep their doors open because rich people not be funding it. As much risk will do it.

And plus, we can't retain talent because Google Airbnb and all those folks are you know, they How can you fight against, like, I don't know, like 80 K salary plus benefits for a chef Holy. She is also restaurant culture is incredibly toxic, like they talk about how toxic starve culture is, and it and it truly is and very insidious because it's all hidden underneath the surface. Restaurants is incredibly explicit, like you will as a, uh, as a female chef or female worker in the restaurant. You will, you will. You will get the worst harassment of your life.

It's very it's very bad. Shadow to Sushma, guard of Gobble Gobble the Onley capital efficient meal kit out there. It's so amazing on the food. Tastes awesome! Shouted Jessica Scorpio score be. She's, I think like she still get around or, like, bought a three of a company for 300 mil. You go, queen, you go, queen.

So tell us, Tell us about the device now What do we have sitting in front of us for A And what is this thing that you invented?

I invented the home Stevie, an emergent circulator. And this is my latest product resort third iteration of hardware as an ARV I T reader, and we should be the food with it. You weigh the food from machine, it automatically recognizes it. You drop it in and 30 minutes to get a gourmet meal. Regardless of any dietary restriction you may have in

your household. I'm not gonna pretend like everybody that's a listener understands all of what you just said. So keep breakdown with wood is a Sufi.

Of course, before I do that, what this is, basically is your own personal chef, and then you just drop food in. It's a magical food cooker, like an espresso and Keurig. They don't call their machines like hyper hydraulic pod extraction. My mother in law, so like I don't need to call it a Soviet emergence circulated. Just know you can chap and eat in 30 minutes. Bassett Sue Veed is, ah, precise temperature way of cooking that every single top chef in the world uses. Whether you're Dominique Ren Noma, say sahn restaurant Meadowood, who all use my machines,

you rely on it every single evening for beautiful, consistent results. For example, steak cooked at 57 degrees Celsius. That's when the fat and the collagen will melt into the muscle, making each bite juicy, tender and delicious its edge to edge perfection. All you do is seared a little bit, and then what? The action time. It's super low. You can leave it alone for hours and hours hours, and it physically cannot scientifically cannot overcook because it's already at the perfect temperature. The biggest technology ever for cooking was fire, and ever since we discovered it, we've just been trying to control it. And now we control heat 2.1 degrees Celsius. And that's absolutely revolutionary.

I could tell that you're very passionate about this, which

is good. It is all

ideal. What s So? Did you go through y Combinator? I did. What was that like? Tell it. Tell us about your experience.

That was super fun and super super intense. Like I Well, I went through with my husband and cofounder, a bors Abraham Jacob Federman on and we we actually sat at There was like a table on the side in the front four solo founders. And because we're married, we felt like we were one we identified most with, like, the solo founders and their hustle. It was like super super intense, like people next to you used to work for the treasury of the United States. Or like they won all these hacking. She is in its hour. They got like, first place at M i t. And a I. And you're like what? The fudgy the whale on you and then you're like,

Oh, I did this. And like, yeah, I just got Forbes 30 under 30 and when I when I joined and Sam Altman, who was leading at the time, got it as well. So I was talking to metals like congratulations on Forbes. 30 under 30. He's like, Yeah, it's bullsh is now. I mean, I was like, Oh, I just got it too.

Oh, you know, it was, like, very humbling. All these impressive people round and then it very motivating because you're, like, on your level, um, on your level

s So what? You know what do you Why do with this company? Like, what's your? I don't know. Tell us. Tell us what it looks like 10 years from now. What are you Are you selling me? Are you still doing this? Do you get acquired like your you're dissident investor? What

happens, huh? Mm. Well, what I see is us completely curing the emotional and physical toil of making dinner when you look at the kitchen, the home kitchen and technology women and now the primary caretaker of the house have always, always, always struggled mentally and physically with the kitchen, and every time that there has been a technology movement in the kitchen was always by accident and and grass roots lead. So, for example, when the Internet first came online, it will break every day. And it broke every day, not because of porn, not because of high traffic stock trading. It broke every day at 4 p.m. When women would log on and look for recipes for dinner.

If Kim Kardashians asked, had a recipe on it, it would have really broken. The Internet, like technology and technology, has been killed. The home kitchen has been so thirsty for technology and everybody leading hardware and software efforts there has been led by a man And like that's fine. Thank you for your interest. Thank you for your look, but your gaze is not correct. And the way you want it, like when when the men look at the kitchen will be like, Well, there's one OS to dominate the entire kitchen and the people who actually use the home kitchen like what The flat are you talking about?

Dude, you just wore

Yeah. Oh, I said, what the fuck for emphasis. Yeah, I could go. I could have finished it with a nice fudgy Yes of I like I remember when the Kindle first came out, I think like the team felt like, Oh, it's going to be living room is gonna be the bedroom. Overwhelmingly, the majority of uses in the kitchen. Because when you have your hands full of raw chicken and you need something, you remember something you just yell at your Alexa. Hey, Alexa. La la la la la are.

And then, of course, that sex is in it of itself. What, you all a woman's name when you need some shit? Fuck you.

There we go. We needed we needed a good We needed a good strong finish on the area. Yeah, you take technology to the kitchen in a way that makes people lives better. And a decade from now What's that? What is that for? You, like, what's that mean for you?

That that that means people's lives are better. And if it means, like I get acquired sick. Thanks, Daddy. If it means that I I p o sick. Thanks, Mommy. 00 you know, like I I just don't know. I'm hoping for a positive outcome. Um financially for my for my existing investors who are freakin sweet and hopefully won't copy my new thing. I ultimately I just want the results for the end consumer like the peeps who use it. It's It's really I don't know how much of your life you're losing by worrying about dinner. It sucks.

So you also organize some of the largest groups of women in tech in the Bay Area? We talked a little bit about that before. Ah, before you join the interview, what can you share with our broader audience about that, you know? So what? What kind of topics of discussion come up that everybody should know about and should take away from this? After listening to this? What? What what are the things that are discussed?

The things that are discussed in a lot of, um, empowered or professional women's groups is How the hell do we get funding? Number one topic like people are just say, people always say, like, Oh, this place is hot for startups. Guess why it's hot for startups because it's money being doled out. That's it. That's literally it. And people wringing their hands all the time. How we fix this problem with female founders. Fund them. That's literally it. Shut up there like oh, well,

you know, come to our dinner, Lisa, about female founders, Like like a huge VC group of, like, please come to our dinner. I'm like, how much did you spend on this dinner fund? Give it to some. Give it to a founder. Like how much are like, like, where we're gonna We're going to do a task force for me. A founder's great great cool cool funding is that 2% for female founders? The only thing that you need to dio to fix this issue is to fund female founders.

That's literally it. Literally it. And then whatever is hard about it, you can tell me, and that's great. If you need to get off your chest and then write a check

strong. So where do we start? I get it. Yes, write checks. Do Do you want VC firms to set targets? Checks written to women is not a good first step.

Your target should be 100% 100%? They asked Ruth Bader Ginsburg. When, where? When would they? When we're there, be enough women on the Supreme Court. 100%. Ah, 100%. Make sure that your funds quota for funding women is 100%. The Supreme Court used to be 100% men. Nobody by their eyes about that. All our president, 100% men. Everybody's like That's chilling. Cool.

When y Combinator first started, it was 100% men slash Jessica, one of the founders. But like all the companies were 100% men. Nobody was like, Okay, maybe there's something wrong with that. But when something is radically Well, yeah, When something is 100,000 women, it's also become so radical. Why is that dog look inside your own heart? Dog? Read a book dog. 100% women.

What's something that we should have asked you that we didn't ask you today? That's my favorite interview question. I know. I just figured I'd throw it in there.

Mm hm. That's a great question.

I love it. I'm just kind of gonna pat myself on the back, coming up with that right for being a stumper. I'm gonna let you think about that. And while you're thinking about that, we want to shift. Gears were actually coming up close toe end of the time. Yeah, I want to just keep going. But But I I do wanna ask you one question right away, and then we can come back to the what questions Should we have asked you on the networks that you spend your time? If you watch TV, read newspapers, read books, hang on Twitter or Facebook Instagram wherever who are a couple of authors or interesting people or companies on this networks that you'd recommend our listeners go out and pay attention to,

uh, there's wth e equity collective that I really like. Um, it's run by Sarah. Sarah, be sorry. I'm this'll closet. It's so hot. I feel like I'm getting interrogated by the police. So maybe

that's because we have that spotlight pointed

on you. Oh, word that also, that also helps in the forgetting the mind melt. But the equity collective is really cool for female founders raising. Um, I also

are they Are they on Twitter than Facebook? Video

were there on the factory, okay. And they and their on Twitter you can like find Sarah and all the places I like. I like her a lot. Um, very very useful. Great resource. And then, um, you should join my You should join my secret club called the Phelps. Um, one of the founding members. The founder is Stephanie Hughes. It is, like, off the chain. And they're everything professional.

We help each other. We rally around like a church group. Like, yo, you need some help? You need, like, 20 bucks. Let's go.

That's awesome. Um, so did you think of an answer to my you know, what

should you What should you have asked me? Uh, I think I think one thing that's interesting is if you were just ah, question that I guess I get asked a lot, is you? If you are starting out today. What? What do you have changed? That's always a hard question for me, guys. Sometimes, sometimes the answer is I would change nothing because it led to what I done today. Hey, um, and then sometimes I think about, like, what is the real answer?

Obviously, if I have a priori knowledge of what's up, I would do things very differently. First of all, I wouldn't take a check from Steven's abandon. I would have been like I would have patted myself on the back and said, This is a real answer. Okay? I found it in my head. Real answer is what I would do differently if I knew what I did today is that I would tell myself if Lisa from the future could talk to pass Lisa. I will look her in the eye and say, Lisa, you're right. You're right. Nobody knows what the future is. Your building,

the future. If you can build it, it is literally the future. Just work really hard at building that future. And that's all you have to do. Don't think about if you're right or wrong, because there's there's no such thing. And you are right. Surprise. I'm from the future. I know. Just work really, really hard on. I just work. Really? Don't. Don't spend it any. Don't lose any frickin sleep on If this is gonna work. If you make it work, it will

work. So, listeners, you have to replay this, uh, in, you know, in a week in two weeks and three weeks so than three years and then 30 years. All right. Lisa, this was awesome. Thank you. Thanks for joining us. Thank you. very much.

I am awesome.

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