the events in the following episode took place in March 2018 during the second and third weeks after a day of Shabani Went Missing Way Psychology Laboratory at the University of British Columbia in Canada. And I want you to listen carefully to the following short series of interviews with Subject A. She's a volunteer in a very unique study on memory that I feel like I don't think I've ever been in a fight 14 14 and the police were involved, your parents. But that's I honest to God by I don't know, E. Now listen to what she says during her second meeting with researchers the next week, and I think she was maybe, like talking to all of us, and I I was what? You said something back. And then you started getting argument, just the two of us. In her third meeting a week later, she finally recalls the fight as well as the police arriving to break it up. So okay, um,

I think the cops showed up and we were kind of having maybe a verbal kind of fight any kind of thing you got to push. And then at that point, there's kind of cops coming. And they were. I think there's maybe three. What's interesting about the study? It is. It's not that she forgot this fight. It's that the incident never actually happened. She's never been in a fight or had the police called in her life. The researchers here, we're implanting what's called false memory or false belief. They didn't need machines to go into the brain and rearrange the neurons to do this. They just needed to speak to the subject a few times, and soon no memory developed into a vague memory into what's called a rich, false memory full of specific details.

That never happened. So, uh, this is a race, The reason why I couldn't remember the second of it. Oh, my God, I'm watching these videos with Dr Steven Porter, one of the researchers on the study. He says he was shocked by how easy it was to just implant these false memories. And though the study has become controversial in the scientific community, one thing is clear way don't have objective proof like a video or audio recording. And even our most vivid memories may never have actually happened way. Want that belief to transform into a visual sensory memory. Right? So there's really three steps happened.

Okay, it did happen. Okay, I remember happening. Unless you have corroborating information, there's no way of knowing whether it's true. And so that's sometimes my pending legal cases like, I don't know if this is true. Not, but because of the techniques that the police Gary was used, it's very likely that this is. And he's right, because it turns out that not only was Angel wrong when he described a tip about a day of being drugged and coerced into a truck outside her apartment, but that the tipster himself was experiencing false memory syndrome and also wrong. I'm able to state this for a fact, because I now know with 100% certainty exactly what happened outside a day of shame.

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and how many suitcases are they together? I think had two suitcases. So that's sells the story of the she's going to this funeral with Chris of his uncle. Yeah, I mean, as far as they're saying it's she went down there of her own free will was got into his truck. You know the passenger side and you got in the passenger seat in the back. No, no. Yeah, this is This is refuting that story. It's only been a few days since I started investigating. The disappearance of the day is Shibani, and things were happening so quickly that I can barely keep up today. I'd intended to investigate the discrepancy between the tip that angel a day is friend and employer said he received and the tip that was actually given. But there's been new information.

Jaden, the private investigator, recently obtained surveillance video from a day's apartment building that shows a Daya with suitcases very comfortably getting into the passenger seat of a truck belonging to her boyfriend and fellow acting student Chris Spots on the afternoon of her disappearance. She doesn't appear to be drugged or coerced at all, and certainly isn't being thrown into the bed of the truck. But I want to know is, why would Angel mislead both of us? My suspicion is, and not really in a bad or, you know, evil way. But I think Angel got this story, and I think he put it in and maybe a different context to try to get Maur interest from P. D. You know, to make it look like something really happened and tied it back to Chris because I think he really believes that Chris was involved in her disappearance.

And so I think it's one of those cases where you're just hearing what you want to hear, and then you kind of manipulate the story to fit a narrative that gets you more traction. Even if what Jayden is saying is true, it doesn't explain why the tipster was wrong. Either The tipster called in and the tipster was wrong because he put what he saw into context and he saw the flyers and said, Oh, this must have been what happened or he called in and said, Hey, you know I saw this one day. I don't remember when it was. And now all of a sudden that got transformed into it happened that day. He told me it was the same day who did the tipster. Okay, so then maybe he tied it together. I discover that Jaden's theory is actually correct. When a day is friend Liliana from Macedonia shows me her text with the DEA.

Turns out that a day in Chris were in an argument a week before she disappeared and he got into his truck and lock the door. At that point a day, a jumped into the bed of his truck and he pulled out of the garage with her inside. So it appears to be a case of false memory syndrome. The tipster likely conflated this event with the day is disappearance and then became very confident in this richly accidentally constructed story. So what are the police doing about Chris now? I mean, I think it's getting stronger and stronger. Now you're placing him and her together leaving on a trip that's pretty strong to be looking at him. What's the next movement on our part? Well, I think we've got to continue to try and establish what he's doing now and try and make contact, because that's the one thing that throughout this process, except for that first day, nobody's been able to make contact with him. Chapter six. Young

Frank, You're getting that idea. Whatever her name is, I give you one until he starts doing something. She fell in love with me, Dad. She she she wants me to move in with her. And I'm like, Really, son, I can't do this to get married. You know, she's a wonderful girl and he's just kind of like, you know, e on these girls and tell me where you want, you know, like because she was not a very beautiful girl, But she's a lot of money.

Voice, you hear is that of Chris Marez. He's the father of Chris Spots. He lives in the countryside outside Sacramento, California, and operates a laser light company and sells horses. I'm trying to find out where a Dale went with Chris after they left her apartment, according to a day his friend from acting class, Cristian a Day, has said she was going with Chris to his uncle's funeral in Sacramento and Now that I've seen the suitcases, the story seems to check out. So I'm speaking to Chris's dad to find out where this funeral was in Sacramento and if today was there, supposedly she was going Thio like, You probably know you go into your brother's funeral. What

The way he tell who they were coming up here and you brought her up here to interfere with Tucker is not dead. He's not even hostile. It doesn't make sense

just to be completely sure that this uncle story is a lie. I asked Chris Marez if his son could have been going to the funeral of another uncle, like maybe his mom's brother. But Chris Morris tells me that his ex wife and her family all live in Fort Morgan, Colorado, and have no connection with Sacramento. Otherwise, he also tells me a lot more

about his ex wife. She did all this shit, changed something illegally. She put it in the papers. I e. I e.

I interrupt him after a while and ask him if he thinks his son had anything to do with the day is disappearance. He tells me he's not sure, but then, curiously, he directs me to a video of his son acted.

Go on YouTube and look at him. One. There's one. He talks about how he loves this girl. It's courage. Any slight. You don't let it bother you when you watch. It is kind of talking about how this girl wants to ruin his life. This was this was six. This is like you're going to get this part. You gotta look at it. It's on. You knew? I don't even want to say, Dude, I saw it. I was like you. I just really needed

okay. I threw away my gun once to get her love, and I was going to do it again now because I know that's what she'd want me to do. I was going to do it. Yeah, you know what? If I picked up the gun, if I made the sacrifice, my life would be given back to me. Did you know that he was bringing a day up to see you that day or not at all

way? And then Monday, when he told me that her friends and I asked him what happened, you were like, I don't want to tell you over the weekend, but, you know, we got in a fight over, But once it break up with her giver, he and she said, Give me a ride. And then she started hitting me. And then I told you, Get the fuck out of the truck. That was it.

We're starting to narrow in now on a specific window of interest. First, we have surveillance cameras showing Chris and a Daya leaving her Hollywood apartment that Friday afternoon at 1:20 p.m. Now, according to his father, Chris then arrived in Sacramento around 7 p.m. That evening without a DEA. So somewhere in those roughly six hours, something happened between Chris and a day. I ask Chris's dad exactly what kind of condition his son showed up in that night.

You just came up in the house. But I mean, do if you had seen Rocky Normal. You know, Pete was nothing stuck in here watching a Western, drinking some wine and start fighting with me. And I'm just going to stay in a hotel. It was like luck. And then he took off in that money. I knew nothing about this.

What we guys fighting about that night

about his mom. I told him that I had full custody. The judge will give me full custody of him and Pete Month. If you get that with me, I'll get back with you if you drop the attorney. And I did. He never knew that scenario. Dad, Why didn't you take me? I would have to go through the shit. I had to go through with my mom. But I don't know if he had this whole planet. He was gonna get in this fight and you take off with the hotel. You know what I'm saying? It was kind of weird.

Things are starting to look very bad for Chris Spots. My impression after speaking to his father, is that his father actually suspects his own son. Notice the way he said that Chris might have pre planned the fight. And why did Chris Perez direct me tow watch his son's acting reel? That clip, which is called young Frank, almost sounds like a confession. And when I check the date it was uploaded. It was just six weeks before a day's disappearance. Working remotely could be a challenge, especially for teams that are new to it. How do you deal with your work environment being the same his home while staying connected and productive? And then there's your newest coworker with cat. Well, your friend's a trail oh, have been powering remote teams globally for almost a decade at a time when teams must come together more than ever to solve big challenges.

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You now know for a fact that a day of told her friends she was going with Chris to the funeral of his uncle. You now know for a fact that this is a lie because Chris is uncle isn't dead. You now know for a fact. The story Chris gave a day is friends that they broke up around her apartment building that morning and she said she was going to harm herself is completely false. Because not only did they get into the car together afterward, but on video they looked completely amicable. This is a day's mom, Nora. We have this person who knows something. I'm not saying he knows everything but no something on DDE. We cannot give access to this person. And you don't think he knows everything? Maybe he knows. I just wantto believe. Actually, I want to believe that he knows everything.

But I'm also considering other possibilities. If he dropped her, if you left her on the highway or left her somewhere, maybe something bad happened to her afterwards. But in any case, she was in the car with you. And, you know where you dropped her where, when way, need this information and you know you get a sense that you have a person who is about the long on CanDo. Anything toe play with all of us. I mean, even as a human, I think she should pick up the phone and say, This is what There are many questions that need to be uncertain. Do you feel that there's sort of an arrest coming or do you feel like this?

Just the further time goes away, the more he's getting further away. I don't see the arrest coming because I don't have any information that would make me believe that the arrest is coming. I only fear that he's gaining time to build a strategy to find the evidence on toe, basically walk out free from this thing. Things start to look even worse for Chris after I speak to Jaden. It turns out that after calling and texting Chris multiple times, Jaden finally gets a call back, but not from Chris, but from a lawyer who says she's now representing Chris. And the lawyer offered up yet another story that Chris and India were on their way to magic Mountain that day when they got in a fight and Chris supposedly dropped her off in Santa Clarita.

That's the story, she told. But they were going to magic mother attorney told that story like she didn't say What do what Did you tell them? Okay, because that story just doesn't make any sense. Even even she should have said That story doesn't make any sense like that. I like. So you went to med surrounded by yourself. You went home back to Hollywood. No, no, you just drove the Sacramento trip. Yeah, okay, that's really that the demagogue.

When someone is deliberately avoiding the police, changing their story and now loitering up, it seems that this would give law enforcement some reason just to bring him in for questioning. If he's not hiding anything, why's he being so evasive and telling so many different versions of the story and not helping anyone at all?

He says that he's running around because she went missing and he's afraid of her family. That's what the attorney said. And Petey, her

family. I asked Jaden. Yes, he says, supposedly it's because her father is affiliated with the Albanian mob. So if he really believed that her dad was part of the mob. What did just be a death wish to do something to her?

I would agree. I mean, the thing is, like, he didn't make that up it if he were the only person that ever said that and everybody just Tagore Ecklie denied it. Then I would say he just made That was his cover story for acting the way he did.

But everybody knew how do it? First of all, how did you first hear this

through Angel?

And why would Chris think this?

I mean, I think she told

him. I assume it's like a family. And if someone is a big no suspect in your daughter's disappearance and they're not getting arrested by the police, you maybe would ask for a favor from somebody.

That's what Angel came to me and said was gonna happen. He said that the dad was sending people to deal with it, and he was gonna meet with Nora to discuss it and that, you know, then I subsequently found out that she, you know, said no.

Well, there we go. I mean, that kind of answer is that then, right?

Yeah, you know where there's smoke, There's fire like everybody talked about it. So

there has to be something. Let's review the three completely different stories that Chris Spots is either directly or indirectly told others about the last time he saw a day. The first is from a day's friend, Emma. He's like I went to her apartment. I said, win his Friday and he says. So I broke up with her, and the only thing she was still in the olden time that she's gonna turn herself and that she's never gonna see me again. The second is from a day's friend, Cristian. I knew I knew that that she had to go to Sacramento, and she did mention that she was going to go probably to the funeral of his uncle. And the 3rd 1 is

from his lawyer. What's the story? So they were going to Magic Mountain, and then he dropped her off at that

everything, Chris Spots has said through his lawyer and two a day as friends about the Friday she went missing seems to be inconsistent in conflict and, for the most part, provably false Onley. This new Magic Mountain story hasn't actually been disproven, but it seems highly suspicious. He's so sloppy with his alibis that at this point it's hard to see him as anything but guilty. We're

getting word that Chris is apparently up in Colorado. He's in, got it. The town where his family lives. It's about maybe 90 minutes are kind of northeast of Denver. That's what L. A. P D is telling me. We've been kind of talking about some options for that. Obviously, Nora wants Meteo, you know, makes him some big moves, and I think that trying to talk to him, maybe one of those moves belly He continues to say that he basic stonewalling be none other than the first time that he talked with them. He's uncooperative. So I'm trying to talk Thio detectives over there, and I want to get their blessing to go up there and try and talk to him, and I think it's

But first we need a good plan to get him to talk. We have to figure out an angle or a ruse where it's actually in his best interest to speak too jaded.

Forget the police convinced me that you had nothing to do with it and I'll go back to the family. If that's truly what you're worried about. I can tell her father this guy had nothing to do. And I say, Yeah, you know, her dad is a dangerous dude. No question about it. How do you think you know? Telling? How do you think it looks? I'm here so that you can convince me so that I could tell them this guy didn't enjoy them. Yep. You look like a nice guy. Just a regular guy. Get going around killing people.

Have a

good trip. Yeah, I landed one so I might

give you a call. All right. Coming right up. Shade and flies to Denver. Colorado then drives 90 minutes northeast to Fort Morgan for the big showdown with Chris. That evening, he calls with an update. Turns out he has a showdown. Not with Chris, but with Chris's mom, Jade, who just recently lost on election for the local city council.

That look so I don't know what's going on. I talked to her. I talked to her through the door. Um, she's like, come back tomorrow. I'm like, please, I came all the way out here. Let me talk to you just for a few minutes. I'm trying to help. And then, you know, I get on the phone with Chris Marez. He's like, Oh, he's not even there. She's just stonewalling you. She's just trying to delay you from picking out what you're gonna do. That's why she wants you to come back tomorrow. So I don't

fucking know anymore. Jaden goes on to tell me that Chris's father believes that Chris is actually back in L. A theater. A P D, on the other hand, seemed to be giving mixed signals.

You tell Nora that they have all these detectives, all the units working on it. But there's nobody else here. I mean, I'm looking around his house. There's no surveillance units. There's nothing. I don't know whether l a P d is telling me this. Just leave me on some wild goose chase or they have no clue worries that. But now it's like what the fuck? I mean, what do I do? Do I stay up here? There's like a blizzard coming into town. There's no hotel rooms here. I don't know whether I'm gonna stay tonight and then try to meet with her tomorrow or get back and try to figure out if he's back in L. A.

Chris's fiance, Mary, has been on the run with Chris pretty much this whole time. And right now, Jadon. And today his friends believe that either she's in on this with him or he's confessed something to her. Whatever he knows, Mary likely knows as well. It seems like the only person who's been cooperative in Chris's inner circle in any way with Jaden or the police or me, is his father, Chris Marez. Everyone else just seems to be protecting

him. So the last thing I'm gonna do before I make my decision, I'm gonna put a bigger question. You know, we have a service. Obviously, it gives us the pigs. So I put a request in. It takes about usually 30 minutes to get that back. Um, I'll see if they get a ping on the cell phone and then, you know, I guess depending on what? Where it shows we'll make a decision. I'll let you know.

All right. All right, man. Okay. All right. Sounds good. If you're not already worried about your privacy, you should be. Jayden has just made a deal with a company in Canada and as a private investigator, he can give them any phone number. Get them to Ping that phone, and the company will then give Jaden the exact location of the phone, even if it's off. It's a massive privacy violation, but it also happens to be really useful right now, so I'm a little bit conflicted, especially when Jaden calls back with Chris's location.

You said you picked this father words in California, Santa Monica, where you have a Santa Monica. I'm like I'm driving that direction right now. D'oh!

The police can't talk to Chris Spots because he has a lawyer a day. His friends can't talk to Chris Spots because he's not returning their calls. Jaden can't talk to Chris Spots because he's in Colorado and Chris is here in L. A. At this address in Santa Monica. And not only am I the only person left here who could possibly speak with him, but I just happen to be one mile away. While I'm driving to Chris's location, Jaden and I discuss a plan to reach out to the only other person we really need to speak with right now, Mary So Jay didn't text her saying he has important new information to share That may help her understand what's going on. But Mary doesn't text him back.

And they sent her here as she liked that response. You know, better than now you're released like she's leaving the door open open. Getting my best. You were surveilling her way. She did. She did Response. So, you know, he'll thank you and don't contact. Wow, I did. I just ask you are these people

as we're speaking, I pull up outside the building where Chris is believed to be staying. It's five stories. Maybe about 15 apartments on each floor.

I'm gonna go do this. Uh, there's racking. Uh,

all right, on my car, man. I don't do this. I'm I'm terrified. All right. I reached the call box. I find the unit where Chris is staying and I dial the code toe live and die in L. A. Has been a production of Tenderfoot TV and me, Neil Strauss in conjunction with Cadence 13. The executive producers of this podcast are myself, Donald Albright and Pain Lindsay, along with producers Alex Vespa, Stead and my crony. Because this is an open case. Anything you know,

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