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Andrew Garfield
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Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We have Andrew Garfield on today. Andrew is just the best, a real tenderoni and hilarious and talented and star of film and Broadway, and we are going to get into so many things today. We're going to talk about how Munich has the best felt. We're going to talk about having that competitive spirit, especially when it comes to board games.
We're going to talk about being method, but not being a jerk. And we're going to talk about his new movie, The Uprising, which is out now and looks incredible, like all the stuff that Andrew does. So we're very, very excited to get started, but we always start our episodes by speaking to somebody who knows our guest, who has worked with our guest, has good things to say about our guest behind their back.
And we're going to talk to A legend, Lin-Manuel Miranda. You know him from, oh, I don't know, Hamilton and Moana and the upcoming Warriors musical and five other million things that he's won 10 EGOTs for. Lin?
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Lin?
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Hi.
Speaker 1
Hi. I can't wait to get you into the stude.
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Can I tell you, I had a, I had a nightmare about that once.
Speaker 1
You did?
Speaker 2
I had a nightmare that like, you invited me on, but you didn't, I could tell you didn't really want me to be on, like someone had you, and you were like, come in, I guess. Oh.
That's making me nauseous. Like you were very unenthusiastic about it, and you were like,
sit down, I guess, and it wasn't your usual set, it was just like some apartment where I was like, I was like a pity guest.
Speaker 1
Oh, that's giving everybody the chills in here. So, that is a, that is a proper stress dream.
Speaker 2
Woke up in a sweat. I can handle a lot of things I cannot handle not being a good hang with you.
Speaker 1
God, I'm so sorry that I was that way in your dream. In real life, and we are awake, and I can't wait to get you in here. I am such a fan of your work. Love, would love to talk to you and would be so happy to be talking to you.
Speaker 2
Oh my goodness gracious.
Speaker 1
Yes, yes, yes. And so happy to be talking to you today. Where are, it looks like you're in some kind of studio. There's a piano behind you.
Speaker 2
Yes, we, we are in day two of our workshop for, our next musical.
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Warriors. Come out to play.
Speaker 2
That's the one. so Issa Davis and I are here, in the room. There are actors learning songs in the next room.
Speaker 1
There must be no better feeling than like working with the piano and like hearing people sing in the other room and just the workshopping of it all.
Speaker 2
Yeah, well, it's the, it's the thing of like other people. You get the solitude of writing, and then you also get to like bring in a song, and then people who sing much better than you sound beautiful on it. And it's, it's, you know, I had so much fun with your episode with Groff, who is also like one of my closest friends, because just the joy off him is like we're in the play.
We get to be in the school play, and, and we're all still chasing that high.
Speaker 1
Yes. Well, I feel that way, you know, about you, Lin. Like, I feel I know that everybody that works with you feels that way. Like, you're such a collaborator. You love the process. You love making things better, you know, you know, letting the best idea win. Like, you can feel that. And also, you're a fan. like you've never stopped being a fan of the thing that you're doing.
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Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, no, it's, it is. I mean, it's why I had so much fun when I was on SNL. It was, it's, it's the school play on steroids. It's like a supercharged version of the, the, the thing that got me hooked on this art form of like, we, we get to make it, like, and we get to make something bigger than any of us could make alone, I think is, is the big thing.
Speaker 1
Yes, so well said, so well said. and, and you got to work with sweet Andrew Garfield.
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Sweet, sweet Andrew Garfield.
Speaker 1
First of all, congratulations on Tick, Tick, Boom. What a beautiful film.
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It makes my life that you even know what that is and have seen it.
Speaker 1
Of course, I loved the performance, loved your direction, what, incredible cast, like. Can we talk about it just for a second? Because I know it, you know, it was, it's personal material. It's also about a person's life who, and, and Andrew is kind of actor who's played a lot of real people as I've been looking at his career. And like, could you imagine even a, a, a more considerate and nicer person to like take somebody's real life into their hands? But can you just tell me, how did you guys come together to make that? How did that, how did that happen?
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Sure. I, I, you know, most of my, familiarity with Andrew's work was actually theater. Like I was lucky enough to see him in Death of a Salesman with Philip Seymour Hoffman. and he was unreal in that. And then I, I saw him in Angels in America. Both parts, which is like, it's a day. It's your day. You go to the matinee to see part one, you eat dinner, you see part two, they're both three hours long.
And I didn't know whether he had a musical bone in his body, but it's such an endurance test, that play. And he was so magnificent in it that I was just like, this guy can do anything. I just thought, I don't know if he can sing, but I think he can do anything.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
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Andrew and I had like exchanged an email or two in our lives. He was a fan of Hamilton. And so I, I said, can we go out to like dinner before your performance? He was, he was doing angels in on Broadway at the time. And I took him out to sushi and I told him about the movie we were working on. And I said, can you sing? And he said,
when are you making this? And I go, not for a year. And he goes, then I can sing.
Speaker 1
Amazing.
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I was like, oh my God.
Speaker 1
Well, that will, that's kind of like the theme of what I want to talk to him about today is like he works very hard. He's a really hard worker and takes, I think, a lot of,
pride in that.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. He, he wants the work. He wants the, the discipline. And like, you have to be a monk to do eight shows a week. Like you actually have to like know when you're eating, know exactly what you're putting in your body so that you are at your peak at 7 PM, 8 PM that night. He has played a monk. And, and like lived, like lives it, like he truly lives it.
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And you know how I feel about Broadway. Absolutely too many shows. I, I've said this.
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Well, to quote you in Wet Hot American Summer, theater is now, and it's you.
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That is true. Which I
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watch maybe once a month. I watch that speech to myself, just pump myself up.
Speaker 1
Very obtuse. Yeah, it makes perfect sense. It's now and it's you.
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I mean, you basically played me in that, me at 14 in that movie, like, guys, this is serious.
And then you learn, well, you learn, oh, no one wants to work with that person. Like, your job is to make the most fun room possible so that people choose doing the play over basketball, over debate teams. Like, no, no, actually, this is the most fun place to be. Not skies. We're going to work steps.
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Story of my life. Story of my life, which is just like, just chill out, chill out.
Just pump the brakes on whatever you're saying. Okay, so, do you have a question you think I should ask Andrew today? Anything big, small?
Speaker 2
Well, my, my que- yeah, my question comes with a, a story, which is that, you know, famously, Andrew, like, learned to sing, like, took a year, and then came out on the other end and was just, like, an amazing singer for my movie. And there was a, a sequence we had to shoot that was a swimming pool scene. Jonathan Larson, like, would swim to get his ideas, and he wrote this great stream of consciousness song, and it gets the idea while he's doing laps.
And I, you know, had three days in the actual pool Larson swam in, in the village, and, you know, had a stunt double for all of the, like, complicated underwater photography, had a special underwater photographer, and then I found out Andrew is basically Michael Phelps. Like, his dad is a swim instructor.
Speaker 1
That's right.
Speaker 2
And Andrew swam better than my stunt double. So my question is like, one, what are the other superpowers you have that a director hasn't tapped yet? And, and one, like, what feels like even too much of a challenge? Like he'd learned to sing for me. He, Martin Scorsese like threw him into the wild. Like he's, he's really taken on some, I think he gets very excited by the challenges.
Like what's one where, what's, what's something that really scares him that he would still probably do?
Speaker 1
That's a great question. And I think he's going to love it because I think his, I think he is very driven exactly by what you said, by the challenge of what to do next. And, and, yeah, and I never know what he's going to do next. It's always really interesting. I mean, his new film that's out is about a peasant revolt.
Speaker 2
Yeah, and then he goes from that to Sam Altman. Like it's. Yeah. Crazy.
Speaker 1
I know, crazy. well, Lin, I loved talking to you. I, I think we're going to have a very good time and not a scary dream time when we see each other.
Speaker 2
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1
And thanks for stepping away.
Speaker 2
Absolutely. Have fun with Andrew. He's a lovey, lovey love.
Speaker 1
Okay. Take care. Thanks again.
Speaker 2
Awesome.
Speaker 1
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Andrew Garfield is here. We're talking about smells. Do you feel like you have a delicate, do you feel like you have a sensitive nose?
Can you smell things? I do. I feel like I'm a super smeller.
Do not. Do not. I bet you, I bet you are sensitive to smells.
I, if I can't, if I can't deal with, smell is my number one, my number one sense. I'm the best at it.
What do you think is your best of the five senses? What is your best? What's
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my best sense? What's my most accomplished sense?
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We've got smell. We've got.
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Remind me of the other.
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We've got smell. We've got hearing. We've got sight. We've got touch. And what's the other one? Taste.
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Oh, yeah. I always forget taste.
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You could.
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I'm not, I'm not gonna be humble about this.
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Don't be.
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I don't, and I don't mean to brag at the same time. I'm kind of trying to be neutral.
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I love a brag.
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I'd say touch.
Speaker 1
Damn. This is the beginning of the worst or the best date ever.
But touch, so do you, okay, let me ask you a touch question.
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Yeah, please. I enjoy, I
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enjoy, I enjoy, I like how things feel. Like, I like the texture. You're a
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tactile.
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I'm a tactile person as well. Yeah. When you're shopping for clothes, do you do what I do, which is you just, you go like this. You just go like this. For real, if it's not soft, I'm not interested.
No. You sniff it and then you
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touch. Fabric.
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Yeah.
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You know what I love?
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Yes. Can I tell
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you, can I tell you anyway?
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Yes.
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Felt.
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I fucking love felt.
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Fucking hell. What have we got?
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Hold on, hold on. Let me sniff out the felt. I know where the
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felt is in this room. I'm like a divining rod for felt.
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We're recording in New York. I have more felt than LA.
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Okay.
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But. Yeah,
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LA is much more felt
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friendly. This is a, this is a fake cheeseburger. Open that up.
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Oh my god.
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This is a, that's a hard felt. It's,
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it's a little hard, this felt.
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This felt is not, it's
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not, it's not Munich felt. I was just in Munich.
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Munich
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felt? I told you I like felt.
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Say more. There's
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a, there's a Munich, Munich is known for its felt making.
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Whoa, cool. That's all I
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got.
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And it has like specific, you can tell how it's called. Beautifully made
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felt. So I was, I was shooting in Munich. This is a great podcast story. I was shooting in Munich.
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Yes.
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And, I didn't have much time on my hands. I was shooting, like, intensely, but the time I did have was spent in the felt store.
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Were you playing somebody who had to felt?
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No, I was playing a peasant.
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Right, this is this new movie, The Uprising.
Speaker 3
Yeah, it's called The Uprising.
Speaker 1
we want to talk about it, and I want to talk about the fact that you are, look at you, you really do like touches of very importance. Look at you touching.
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I would never lie to you about something so vital.
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Sorry, but I just want to indulge your touch.
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What do you got?
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Another. This felt is too
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hard for me.
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Yeah, sorry, that wasn't good.
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Oh, that's lovely. That's really lovely. I'm really glad it doesn't squeak.
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I'm glad it doesn't squeak because I'm an adult. You know what I mean?
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You're a mature lady.
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I don't need a dog toy. I
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don't need to get excited by sounds in the way that a dog might.
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No, there's actually no worse feeling than when you bring home a toy for a child or a dog and you realize that it squeaks. You're like, oh
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fuck. Why didn't I check that? what's cool about this.
Yeah. What's cool about this.
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You never smelt it. It's not bad.
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You know,
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sometimes you smell like they come.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Okay.
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You all know.
Speaker 1
You all know.
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You all know what we're about to say. You guys
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know how your fake cheeseburgers sometimes smell in your office?
You know. we, Andrew Garfield is here. That's all
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the time we have.
Speaker 1
But you're talking about the uprising. I want to talk to you about this because I, I'm, okay, I've been thinking about my theme for you.
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Theme?
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Yeah, about what to talk to you about today, cuz I feel like we could talk forever, and I love talking to you.
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Me too.
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And,
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Same. I love this, by the way, what you're doing here is so beautiful. And I'm like, it's about time, there's another podcast.
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Yeah. I know there wasn't enough.
Speaker 3
Weirdly, weirdly, we
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have room for one more? Just one more, and I was like.
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No, but like, if anyone should in this world have a, have this room.
Speaker 1
Thank you for that. It's really fun.
Speaker 3
Yeah, man. Really fun. Yeah.
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And I've been paying attention to, as I've been thinking about and prepping for today, about your work and your life and you, and I'm fascinated by your Love of hard work. You just love to work hard.
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Yeah, I do. You
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love it.
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You do too.
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Yes, but not as much as I used to. Not anymore.
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Sitting
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down with a, but your, your work ethic is really something. It's, I'm, it's very admirable. I, I know you, you care, like your love language feels like it's like acts of service. Like you do things for people, right? I got you. I got
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you. I got you. But that
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is how you show your passion for stuff, your love for people, and how you show up in your work. And you're always working so hard. And, and everything you're doing, you're training, you're starving. What are you got to say? This new movie looks so hard.
Looks so cold
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and
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dirty and hard. And that's all. I just want you to just take it. I want to talk to you. You
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may take it easier. Yeah. Well,
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I'm, I'm, I'm really into your relationship to work because I think it's like, it's very admirable. And also I think it's,
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it's very,
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I think it's your way into stuff. Would you agree?
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Yeah, I mean, you know, I keep, because one of my favorite episodes that you've done is with Cole, a scholar.
It was just heaven. It's a heaven conversation. And just the, the running bit of, I just like playing. It's just all, it's all play to me. Like the play's the thing. And Like, honestly, I'm just like, I can never go on Amy's podcast cuz I will be the guy actually saying that for real. I know what you mean. I know what you mean. It's really impossible.
You guys have made it impossible to have a serious conversation about creativity. Okay, but I think I can speak
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for, I know what you mean, but I think I can speak for myself and I'd like to speak for Cole. Okay. but I'm very interested in what motivates people. Yeah, sure. Like how people move through the world, and that's the coolest thing about these condos. Yeah. Were you always like a hard worker? Was, what, what did work look like in your house, in your family?
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Yeah, no, it's, yeah. Oh boy. I know, we're going. No, I know, I just. Do you want
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to hold something? Want to touch something? Want to squeeze something? Is there
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any felt that's softer than felt? There's no,
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no, there's no Munich felt.
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No Munich felt, huh?
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I know, it's disgusting. Weird.
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Jenna,
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get the Munich felt.
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Bring out the Munich felt, Jenna. I, so yes. I, I, yes.
Speaker 1
Okay, fine. I'll just ask you another question. No, no, no, no,
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no, no. I, I really love what your, I just unironically tucked my hair behind my ears.
same, we're, we're in the same position right now.
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Your hair is great.
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Propetia.
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Great. You know what? People should know that.
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I
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don't, listen. Every man I know is on Propetia. And also. You
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just outed every single man in your life that you know, including your young nephews and sons. I don't know, like, like every single male.
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Propetia is incredible. And thank you for saying that. You have naturally very thick hair. You always have. You have, congrats. Incredible. And I bet you grew it like that, and you bet you don't even comb it in the morning, and it looks incredible. I
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light up the propitious, just all natural. I'm just trying to be relatable to other guys out there. But your hair
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looks great. But anyway, sorry, you talk to, you talk to my hair. I'm going
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to say something controversial. Sometimes, like, sometimes people are great.
Do you know what I mean? Like, sometimes people are really great. And I know that's a hot take. That's
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controversial, Andrew, but that's so you. I mean, there's a, there's a, like, there's a real humanity to the stuff you do. There's also, you're just a delightful person to be around. You're a real tenderoni.
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I am a tenderoni. I will co-sign that.
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You're a real tenderoni. You're ruining me
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both.
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Yes, and, and people are great, so say more.
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Some people, some human beings can, can be really wonderful and add beautiful things to the, to the earth and to the world. And I'm, I, I guess I'm curious as well about what is it that makes us feel compelled to do that? My, my mother was one of those people in every single moment of her life. I have this image of her now that she's passed, and it came very like, like a flash in a dream or like in a waking, I don't know what it was, but I had this image of her being reunited with her tribe after she passed.
And it made sense to me why she was, she could be so hard on herself in Carnet when she was alive. I was like, oh, you knew you were meant to be in a thousand different places at once giving goodness to people. And you knew in some unconscious way that you were being restricted by this vessel of a body,
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by the
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vessel of restriction of time and space. So when she passed, I could, I just, I don't know, like, I don't know if you've had this experience with someone who's passed, but it's like in the first month or two, I felt more connected to her than I ever felt connected to her when she was incarnate, when she was alive, alive, let's put it in quotation marks.
I do believe that she's here right now and she's everywhere all at once.
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I
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do believe that and I have a knowing of that. So there was something about seeing, maybe seeing my mother in a very specific kind of hard work. That was so naturally occurring for her. And I was always someone in the same way that you just did with me. I was always someone with her. I was like, just take a trip.
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Just
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relax. You're enough. You're the most beautiful angel
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on
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earth. You can give yourself what you give to others and it doesn't make you selfish. It doesn't make you any which way. But after she passed, I had this real understanding of like, oh no, that was just inherently who she... I don't know whether it was nurture or nature. I have no idea, but it was just the activating, the animating spirit of her,
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of her
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essential nature, of her essential being. And I guess you could call that hard work or you could, I don't know, there's something otherworldly about it. As I say, after she passed, I was like, oh, she's back. She's actually back. She's back where she's meant to be, running around with her like good angel brigade, like giving people who need a miracle a miracle.
Like times a million. I could, I could just feel it. And I was just one of the people that she was hanging out with.
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Beautiful. I mean, the idea that her spirit and one spirit can be kind of like released once they leave their, their body. Just that idea that somebody is bigger than their body.
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Yes.
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And that's so interesting that you talk about your mom when I ask you that question, because there is something in your work that feels really not only curious, but very unbridled. Like you like to kind of go, go places. As I'm trying to like psychoanalyze, and again, I am no therapist, but I do feel like I am.
And that's what this podcast is about. Again, she says again. And I will give you a prescription at the end of this.
No, but. I think it's also very interesting that you tog, even though you're, you're British in many ways, you were born in the US and you tog, like I find you toggle back and forth between those things culturally very easy. And I had a question for you, which is, What do you think is the most American thing about you?
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My love of hamburgers. Like, I love hamburgers. But
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you have, you have very youthful energy as a person. You're a little brother. Yes. You're a
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little brother. And your older brother is a doctor, right? Is a doctor, heart and lung doctor in London, yeah. Yeah, the good, the good son. The
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good, yeah. He's the one that made good. Yeah.
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He made good, yeah. Well,
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did he always, was he always? Yeah,
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he was head boy at school, he was captain of the swimming teams. Fucking son of a bitch.
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Yeah. He
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was a son of a bitch.
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How many years older than you? Three
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years older. Yeah, yeah. I was fucked. I was fucked from day one. And he gave me meningitis, day two of my life.
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Oh, he gave you? He
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brings home meningitis. And then he became
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a doctor to heal you from it.
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You really should prescribe at the end of this. And, and yeah, I, I, I think like being raised in a competitive household is definitely a part. In, in, in like the nuts and bolts of like the therapy, it would be like, yeah, we don't feel enough, the Garfield men. There is a kind of, But
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competition is sometimes. I love competition. I
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love games. I love, I fucking.
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What kind of game player are you? You know what I mean? Like, do you get too intense? Yes. Yeah, me too.
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I think you would have to ask my friends this, but I would say I do, I, I, I have a, I, I can upset people.
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Yeah, I have as well. I, I work on it because obviously like everyone wants to have a good time. But when people say things like, I know, when people say things like, who really cares? I'm like, what are we doing? What do you mean? Like, we're playing a game. Like, we have to try to win as best we can. Otherwise,
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you're ruining the game. Yeah. Anyone who like says, yeah, I'll play. And then it's like, yeah, like this is
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so stupid. It's like, don't
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fucking play. Yeah, don't show up.
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And also, I'm treating you, I'm being rough on you because I believe in you. And
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I love you. Yeah, for sure. I
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mean, I expect the best from you.
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Yeah, and I want, I want you to grow.
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I want you to grow at, at celebrity or whatever we're playing. I want you, I want you to grow. Okay, do you like playing Mafia? Yeah,
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well, I play werewolf is the version I play. Yeah.
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I'm not, I'm,
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I'm bad at being the werewolf. Dude,
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me too. I hate it. And when I get it, I'm like, oh, fuck, I'm not.
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I know, I
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hate it. I hate it. I hate the like lying. I hate the. The
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deception, I know. I
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know. And I bet I love accusing.
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Yes, of course. John Proctoring. And also defending oneself. Of
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course. Being like, how dare you think that I'm. That was my
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name. You cannot take my name. And everyone's just like drinking their beers and just like wanting to go to the bathroom. Like, thou shalt not.
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Okay. So let's get in. I do, I do want to ask you a couple, a couple of questions about your work. Okay. I have to.
your first film, you're with Meryl Streep,
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Cruz
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and Robert Redford. How old are you then?
Speaker 3
I'm 23, I want to say. So you're coming
Speaker 1
onto that set, like, and we all, you know, you have the, everyone has the jitters, like any first day on any job. Like, I'm just going to be cool. I'm going to be like, happy. You know, like, I mean, just don't talk too much. Like, that's what I would say, you know, to myself. Like, just listen more than you talk and
Speaker 3
just,
Speaker 1
they'll get to know you. You know, whatever you're saying to yourself, when, when you're driving the set or whatever, what are you saying to yourself when you're approaching that set? That's a really intimidating set. That's so intimidating. Oh
Speaker 3
my gosh. What was it like to
Speaker 1
work with Robert Redford? I don't
Speaker 3
know what I was telling myself. I, I, I. So first of all, Bob Redford, God rest his beautiful soul of service. That man had a soul for service. Like what he did with Sundance and like, and what that sprung from came out, it came out of him, I think, helping out his new neighbor in Utah who was about to be foreclosed on. He said, I'll buy your farm so you can keep it.
I'm going to have to make some money out of it and we'll set up like a lab for young filmmakers. So it came out of him helping out his neighbor. It's just like, he was a beautiful, beautiful man. And very late all the time to everything. So I say it with love. So I'm like, yeah, terrified and nervous and pinching myself. And then Bob is four hours late.
And it's just like, by that time, I'm just pissed.
Speaker 1
I'm just
Speaker 3
angry.
Speaker 1
Okay, let's talk about this. Yeah, yeah. Right, so you're... But
Speaker 3
a lot of the nerves had kind of dissipated because he was so loose and casual and he was so cool
Speaker 1
and he
Speaker 3
still dressed like he was in his twenties with the double denim and he wasn't aware that he was late. He was just like on his own Redford time. And he was famously late. I'm not like telling tales out of school. He was like a famously late
Speaker 1
person. Well, God is fair. I mean, you know, like he's so handsome, like there's going to be something wrong with him.
I mean, what if he was like on time all the time? I'm like, okay, great. So he's late. He's like, I was too handsome.
Speaker 3
I couldn't stop looking.
Speaker 1
I felt
Speaker 3
guilty.
Speaker 1
So you were feeling less nervous. It helped.
Speaker 3
And, well, he was so relaxed. Yeah, he was so relaxed. And he would shoot his own coverage first. He would shoot himself. And then he would look at me after his first take and he'd be like, what do you think? Because he was directing as well, so all my scenes were with him and he was like, what do you think? And I was like, thank goodness.
It's great. It's really good. Robert Redford. And he said, okay, yeah, I'll do it again, I'll do it again. And then, but yeah, tell me if you think, if you see anything that you think. And I'm like, oh my God. Oh, that's a really
Speaker 1
interesting move, right? Because he's trying to like.
Speaker 3
Yeah, just make me feel like it was my set and make me feel like I was an equal and like, you know, it was my first movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1
that's very nice.
Speaker 3
Oh, he was so nice. He was so beautiful. And we, and it was like a theater play and I'd done only theater at that point. It was a lot of dialogue and it was like a.
Speaker 1
Well, you are a theater, you're a theater boy. I love theater.
Speaker 3
Maybe that
Speaker 1
is your first love. That
Speaker 3
is my first, like love out, it was like, that was like my first exit of the Truman Show. You know what I mean? Like, like opening that door in the sky and then it was like, there's a whole world out there that I had no idea existed.
Speaker 1
When you were working on that film, were you still working at Starbucks?
Speaker 3
No, no, no. You never quit
Speaker 1
Starbucks. I quit Starbucks. No, because there is always this weird thing sometimes when you're acting. No, I wasn't ready to
Speaker 3
fully let go of it. I wasn't like, you know, I'm not going to say that that's, that era is over. I, I had a little bit of a shock straight out of drama school. I, I, I did two plays in a row and then I, I was like, I'm set.
Speaker 1
And I did like a
Speaker 3
Doritos commercial in Spain and I'm like, that's
Speaker 1
that. Wrap it up, fellas.
Speaker 3
Wrap it up. Like that's my like, that's gonna, that's my kind of like the rest of my life is gonna be the occasional Doritos like crisp commercial and, and great theater work. I'm, I'm good. and then I didn't work for a year.
Speaker 1
And then
Speaker 3
I started having to wait tables again and be a bartender and I, I broke up with my girlfriend at the time. So it was like a really great year of You know, you're never safe. Like this destabilized kind of place. I still have it. I'm sure that you do too, even at the top of this swanky building or not. You're like, no, I'm pretty much set.
Speaker 1
No, you know, it's funny. It's funny you say that. I know what you mean. Like, I still just feel like you have to have a plan always just if everything goes away. and
Speaker 3
what's yours?
Speaker 1
Well, I mean, it's funny. I I still have dreams sometimes about going back being a waitress because I liked, I liked waiting tables a lot. because, working in the service industry in general, I liked a lot because there was just certain things that felt like you just completed your night, like your night had a system and you completed it.
You interacted with people enough that you performed a little bit. You were with people who worked, also worked very hard. But the idea of like doing a good job still means a lot to me. I know it means a lot to you. It's, I get a lot of self-esteem from work.
Speaker 3
Yeah.
Speaker 1
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Do you consider yourself a method actor?
Speaker 2
So the method...
Speaker 1
And if so, who am I speaking to? But it's like, but it, but, cause it is, you do, you do go Pretty deep. And when you're playing cricket, you
Speaker 2
do. You got that tricks to look in your eye. You're looking for the clickbait headline. You're like, is he going to give me the juice? Babe,
Speaker 1
you lost all this weight. You studied for a year. Big amount. You go for it. You go for it. Are you method?
Speaker 2
Are you method? Answer the question. Are you method? It's a yes or no question. But I
Speaker 1
mean, are you though?
Speaker 2
Don't try and get cute with it. Take with are you? No, but I want to know. In a way, yes, but I think, yeah.
I think the term has been massively mischaracterized, misunderstood, and co-opted by people that don't know. A method is basically having a method. And like the Stanislavski method, the Strasberg method is about trying to live truthfully under imagined circumstances and having it feel personal, having it feel connected to something that's interior, that is not just a kind of more performative exterior, abstraction.
so, so I feel like yes, but, but I don't,
I, I think there's a way of doing it that's generous. I think there's a way of accessing that work and that style of working that doesn't fuck with the rest of the cast, that doesn't fuck with the rest of the crew, that you don't have to lose a bunch of weight. That's playful. Well, yeah. That's playful. Totally. And, and generous. Like I feel, and, and I, my personal taste and my personal Sidney Lumet,
Speaker 1
the
Speaker 2
great, one of my favorite filmmakers of all time, who, who, who seems to vanish as a director in his movies in the sense that like he let his movies be the movies rather than letting people know that he directed them.
Speaker 1
You know what I mean? Like every
Speaker 2
movie is such a different flavor, such a different feel. Alan
Speaker 1
Parker is like that too for me. Alan Parker,
Speaker 2
exactly. I was thinking of Alan, and, and, and so very, one of my favorite films of all time, Bugsy Malone, Alan Parker, and then he does Angel Heart. Holy fuck, you know? And, and so, so, so he says in his great little book, Making Movies, I don't know if you've read, he does a story about Paul Newman, I think. Or he, yeah, he does a story about Paul Newman in, what was the movie they made together? It'll come back.
But he's like, Paul Newman came with, he did the scene and Lumet was like, okay, I think we're going to reshoot this tomorrow because I think you need to, you need to find out what this scene's about inside yourself. And he comes round the next, and, and, and, and there was something very personal that he was referring to. He was like, I think you know what this moment is, and I think you're resisting going there.
And, Paul Newman, Paul Newman came back and he did the scene, and it was like one of the great, you know, scenes of any Céline Dion movie. And he describes it as personal revelation. Céline Dion is like, the actor's job is personal revelation
Speaker 1
while
Speaker 2
the cameras are rolling. The actors that I respond to and the storyteller that I respond to feels like personal revelation.
Speaker 1
And, and
Speaker 2
through, through the lens of a, of a character, I think about like, and I've talked about this openly, about Tick, Tick, Boom, which is a film that I'm very proud of and I really love, and I, and I can feel, thanks. And I, and I just But I, I, I can talk about it because it feels very personal and also not personal at all in a way. It does feel like that kind of liminal place of, of letting another spirit move through, intermingling with my own spirit, but also my mother's spirit is so much in that film.
but, but it was very, very personal because I just lost my mom and we were making this movie and it's about the shortness of life. It's about the shortness, the sacredness of life. It's about being of service. It's about living out your own calling, your own destiny in a way, and we're talking about waiting tables and that year off. Like, like how, how do you, how do you hang on by hook or by crook To the note that you hear in your head that you have to follow? Like, how do you play your note? How do you, how do you not fall asleep to your note, even though the, you're a salmon swimming upstream of a, of a world telling you to, to, to drop it and, and take the nine to
five or whatever, whatever it is?
Speaker 1
You mentioned directors. You've worked with really interesting directors. You always do. I, I have a question that I, I want to ask. Fincher is one of my favorite directors. He's, I love his films. Rashida was in Social Network. I know. And I always, and I was like, what was it like working with David Fincher? Like, and she's like, he's so incredible to work with.
But I really want to know genuinely and, and not, I'm not like digging for some, I want to know what does the many, many takes do? How does it help you as an actor? How does it, does it, how is it not Frustrating or like,
Speaker 2
yeah.
Speaker 1
Is it like, I, I, I love
Speaker 2
it.
Speaker 1
You love it.
Speaker 2
Fucking love it. Cause I love acting and I love hard work and I love sports and I love, and I love not going home
Speaker 1
with
Speaker 2
anything left to give. And yeah, there's nothing worse as you know than going home going, I could have done that better.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 2
It sucks.
Speaker 1
To feel
Speaker 2
it, to feel like you're in bed and you're just like ruminating of like,
Speaker 1
I,
Speaker 2
I was, I, I, my father put me through drama school. He worked so hard and now I've just done like a half job
Speaker 1
at
Speaker 2
like this thing, this thing that I'm so lucky to do. And so yeah, I, I, I love it. And also I find it pleasure, I just find the work really deeply pleasurable.
Speaker 1
But I love positive reinforcement. I do. I, I genuinely do. It works on me. Like I don't, I don't,
Speaker 2
the
Speaker 1
challenger in me, I, what I'm, I'm relating to is the competitiveness of like tapping into like, fuck yeah, I'll do this fucking 30 times. I don't give a shit. I can tap into that. But I need sometimes like, I don't like, and I'm sure David isn't like this, but, but I, I, I don't do well when I, like, like when someone's negging me. Like I just kind of quit.
Speaker 2
To use the phrase from the pickup artist.
Speaker 1
Are you talking about mystery? Sorry,
Speaker 2
mystery. Sorry, just a quick sidebar. Shout out to Mystery. We miss you guys. Mystery,
Speaker 1
she didn't work between us, that doesn't mean that you can't find love. Obsessed with the pick apart. She didn't love
Speaker 2
the necking, though.
Speaker 1
I, it does not work on me. Like when someone comes out and like, you know, like, hey, well, you're ugly, whatever. I'm like, okay, like it just, like, why are you so ugly at this bar? Whatever that, I,
it does, I'm not even good at pretending to do it. I just, I'm like, it does not work on me. It does not work on me. But like even an exercise class, right? If someone's like, you're going to work super hard in here and like, you know, and I'm just like, no, I'm not.
Speaker 2
Not anymore, I'm not.
Speaker 1
Not anymore. You could
Speaker 2
have had me. You could have had all this. But when someone's
Speaker 1
like, you got here no matter what, it's 7 a.m., like, I'm like, fuck yeah. I'm just telling for me, for me. So in any of those repetitive takes, whether it's with David or another director, do you like Do you trust when you get positive feedback?
Speaker 2
With David, I do.
Speaker 1
Okay.
Speaker 2
I did. And
Speaker 1
he, you, he would give it?
Speaker 2
Yep, he would. Okay, good. But, but what's so cool about David is that he's that, he's that dad, you know, he's that dad that like knows that you need that.
Speaker 1
And,
Speaker 2
and, and he'll, and he'll give it to you in abundance when you've like, when you've really shown how much you care. It's, it's that kind of coach.
Speaker 1
Right. I love a sports
Speaker 2
coach like that. Like, like, like Paul Greengrass on, on, on the film, The Uprising is like that. He's an incredible team captain. He's just like, he's just like a, if we, we were like a football team, English football team, and he was our, he was our man. And, and, and, and, and he, he was so full of beautiful positive reinforcement. Fin, Fin, Fin, David would be, Fincher would be less quick with it for sure.
but when you got it, it was like. That you, you would be stoic about, you would receive it and you would want to cry, but you would be like, thanks, that's cool. It was like that level of like, it meant so much. And, and, and the big scene with like the smashing of the laptop thing in that movie. Yeah, social network
Speaker 1
for anyone who doesn't know what we're talking
Speaker 2
about. Yeah, social network. And, we did a lot of takes of it. And I, there was like a few rounds of takes where I was like, he's going to call, he's going to, he's going to call it soon, he's going to call it. Okay, one more time, Andrew. And I'm like, okay. Oh, wow.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 2
And then on the third round of 10 or 15 takes, I didn't hear anything. I was just like on the floor with like, I was exhausted and like, just like snotty and just like crying. And I'm just like waiting for like, and at that point you're, you're broken in a way that's like so beautiful.
Speaker 1
It's so
Speaker 2
beautiful. It's the best fucking feeling in the world, Jamie. It's the best fucking feeling in the world.
Speaker 1
Okay, you say so. Okay.
Speaker 2
And I just feel like a shadow approaching, like, like covering, like, like the, like, the light that was on me just gets like kind of covered by a figure and I look at his shoes and I look up and he looks down at me, he just puts his hand down and he, and he takes my hand and he shakes my hand and he lifts me up and he's like, okay, moving on.
And I'm like, so
Speaker 1
cold.
Speaker 2
So hot.
Speaker 1
I, I don't know. You have, you, you haven't sold me. You haven't sold me. Let me tell
Speaker 2
you a different story.
Speaker 1
Because I wouldn't like to imitate ten to say you're doing a great job. Hey babe, you're doing great. Hey babe,
Speaker 2
you drink so great.
Speaker 1
Would have liked, this is what I would have
Speaker 2
liked.
Speaker 1
You're doing great, but you know me, I have to do 25 more. That's what I would have liked. I would have been like... Well, let me
Speaker 2
say one more thing about David, because I feel like I need to protect David as a, as a father on set now.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 2
You can, you can feel that he's proud of you.
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because of
Speaker 2
what you're giving. He's such
Speaker 1
a talented director. But you can feel
Speaker 2
it. It's like he's not withholding. It's like, it's like, it's not like you're doing a bad job. And it's not like, I'm not going to give you the banana. It's like, it's like, you can feel when he's, he's like, he's like, we're going to keep going, we'll do another one. Think about this, think about that. He's, he's a tender, tender guy. He really, really is.
Speaker 1
Getting back to the very beginning of what we're talking about, is this idea that caring about something is, like, is, is this like very important? And I'll, I'll self-reveal because you're, you're really doing it. You're really, you really have to meet my therapist today, which I don't appreciate. I'm
Speaker 2
sorry.
Speaker 1
Which I don't appreciate.
Speaker 2
I'm honestly sorry.
Speaker 1
Okay. You're my David Fincher and you're breaking me down. no, but, but when I feel like, if I've checked out or I like feel like I am acting like I don't care about something, it really means that I've divested. And it's a bummer because it means that I've lost some kind of relationship. Sometimes you have to do it to protect yourself. Sometimes you do it because you don't have anything left to give.
Speaker 2
Sometimes
Speaker 1
you do it because you don't feel like the person that you're with, I don't know, earned or
Speaker 2
deserves or can hold it. Yes, totally, totally,
Speaker 1
totally. But you feel like you've lost something like in that. It is. And you are very, very, as a person, as a, as an actor, you really invest. And it's, and it's like, it must be, it must be exhausting.
Speaker 2
That's why
Speaker 1
I think you need to take a break from some of these movies. I'm going to take a
Speaker 2
break. No, I am going to take a break. I was
Speaker 1
too hot.
Speaker 2
It's too hot
Speaker 1
being an
Speaker 2
actor. Being an actor is so, pretending,
Speaker 1
pretending to
Speaker 2
be things. Pretending to be in a, in a peasant's revolt?
It's hard.
Speaker 1
It's hard.
Speaker 2
Pretending to be a German magician? I
Speaker 1
go home at night and I'm like, owie.
Speaker 2
I had to pretend it was cold, it was actually hot.
Speaker 1
So, and then,
Speaker 2
and then,
Speaker 1
and then, wait, wait, I do wanna, I wanna, okay. What?
Speaker 2
Seriously, whatever, whatever you wanna ask.
Speaker 1
Well, you know what I, I love, I love your, your, hold on.
Speaker 2
This is an SNL skit. This is an SNL character. It's like a Fred Arnold. When you were a kid, it was a Kirsten Wiig that was like, that would start a sentence and then like never finish the sentence. Yes, Fred. What was that sketch? They played
Speaker 1
Garth and Kat. Oh,
Speaker 2
so good. I love that sketch. Sorry,
Speaker 1
Fred played a character called Nicholas Fane.
Speaker 2
Have you ever Let me ask you this. Have you, has it ever been a, okay, say you're in summertime, it's summer, Oregon, but there's a dog. Do you have a dog? Wait, dogs or cats?
And I've
Speaker 1
already told you that, or I said on that podcast, the, when he would do it, the cue cards would be blank. You hosted us in L, right?
Speaker 2
I did it once, yeah, I did it. And did you
Speaker 1
have a good time doing it? I
Speaker 2
loved it. I absolutely loved it. And of course, I was so scared. But again, like service, I think the best episodes are when the host supports the cast. Well, that's not
Speaker 1
always like an intuitive thing, which I understand, but like nobody really pulls anybody aside to say like, I know this might feel weird, but you'll have the best time if you say yes to the stuff that like the cast likes. And that, you know, like if you just like become an ensemble member, you'll have the best time. But it's not always set up like that.
But did you host it for Spider-Man? Was it during Spider-Man? I think it was
Speaker 2
the second Spider-Man, yeah.
Speaker 1
I had Tom Holland in here.
Speaker 2
Sweet.
Speaker 1
Oh my God. Sweetie
Speaker 2
pie.
Speaker 1
What a sweetie pie. Such a doll. The doll. Such a talented actor. So
Speaker 2
talented. And
Speaker 1
I, I just have to say, I love how all of you guys like show up for each other. You talk about each other. You talk about your experience. It's a
Speaker 2
brotherhood now, which is really, really great. Like I think like. Doing, doing the one where we're all together really cemented some kind of weird brotherhood that was just beautiful. And, and I, I had known Toby a little bit before, but he was always my, you know, my North Star with that character that like, and, and I, and I loved what Tom's done.
And I think that was very healing for all of us to do that together and to feel less alone in that very, very weird singular experience, like to be a part of this character's legacy that is maybe, I don't know, arguably one of, if not the most popular fictional character in the history of like modern fiction.
Speaker 1
Really, really true.
Speaker 2
I don't know another character that is that beloved around the world. And now, you know,
Speaker 1
mother of boys, I didn't really, they're now sixteen and almost eighteen.
Speaker 2
And the propitia is helping?
Speaker 1
Yeah, it's helping a lot. Yeah, I insisted they get on.
Speaker 2
Really, like, like a lot of hair
Speaker 1
now. I bought some. Mommy,
Speaker 2
mommy, mom.
Speaker 1
You know, mother won't be, mother will be disappointed. That's what I say. I wake them up and I say, has your hair grown? Mother's disappointed.
Have you seen Andrew's hair? I say, don't let mother down. That's what I say every day when I close the door.
But they, but they, the, the way in which when that character was introduced in their lives, the way they embodied him, like they, they, their, their bodies want to, it's really wild. It's so Joseph Campbell primitive. That's so
Speaker 2
interestingly put. That's really interesting.
Speaker 1
They want to get in that crouch.
Speaker 2
Yes. And
Speaker 1
they want to leap. And
Speaker 2
it's so fun with
Speaker 1
those kinds of films. Where you watch people come out of the film and they're just moving like dancers to like, it's so cool. And, I just watched her talk about Sally Field.
Speaker 2
Oh my God, yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 1
Isn't she?
Speaker 2
Wow.
Speaker 1
She's so good at acting.
Speaker 2
She's one of the best.
Speaker 1
She really is. She's
Speaker 2
maybe one of the best. You've
Speaker 1
worked with some amazing women.
Speaker 2
Fucking hell. And
Speaker 1
congratulations, you seem to really love women and everybody can tell.
Speaker 2
Thank God, because what? Yeah, women love
Speaker 1
you and,
Speaker 2
and,
Speaker 1
and they, and, and you can tell. And Sally is, I don't know, I just, what was it like to work with her? What is she like to be around?
Speaker 2
She's one of the great people alive, or dead for that matter. But, she's, she's so
weirdly still. Humble. It's a weird thing. Like, I would say she has legend status. She's like icon legend status as a performer, as an actor, as a person.
And somehow she's retained a kind of homespun, grounded...
Again, in the same way that Redford made me relax. Like, Sally is someone that you just feel like you're with the best friend aunt you could ever wish for. I was thinking about this the other day, actually. I think one of the great highlights and privileges of my life was to be able to give her a lifetime achievement award at the SAG Awards a few years ago.
I felt so lucky. I almost said no, because I just didn't think that I could handle it, because it was so... It was such an honor, because she is so beloved, and rightly so, and she's so...
Beautifully extraordinary and ordinary. It's like she honors her ordinariness in such an inspiring... I really can't believe I can even talk about her in this fashion.
Speaker 1
It's so funny you say that. She's so, so, so talented.
And I... She's probably her and Meryl, probably the two most influential actresses for me growing up. But she never felt...
above or below us ever. She never put herself that way. Never, never.
there's a million people that would have wanted to talk to me today about you. I know
Speaker 2
about this part of your thing. I'm nervous. I'm like excited and nervous and you got someone to come and say something. You have so many friends, you have so
Speaker 1
many talented friends and they all love you and they all want to, they, there's a, it's, you know, it is a, it's, it's a really, you should know that it's a really nice thing when you have a guest on and there's like so many people that would want to
Speaker 2
speak well behind your back. But we
Speaker 1
talked today to Lin-Manuel Miranda and, he talked about the process, you know, of, of working with you and, and how, you know, when he said, you know,
Can you sing? You know, and you were like, when are, when are you going to make this? And he was like, in a year. And you were like, yes,
Speaker 2
which is amazing.
Speaker 1
I love that. And that is now knowing a little bit more about your competitive spirit, I understand that, which is like, oh, I can do it, coach. Yes, yes. So true. his question was, he, he just spoke a little bit about how, what a good swimmer you are and how he didn't know that. And, and he called you the Michael Phelps of.
Which, you know,
Speaker 2
not that big of a deal. No, no. Who would that be? Me?
Speaker 1
Do you swim a lot? Do you like to swim? I
Speaker 2
still swim. Yeah, I still swim. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1
yeah. I
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surf now. It's translated. Yeah, it's like my gymnastics. I was a gymnast when I was a kid. That translated into like, you know, Spiderman stuff.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 2
I took all of the stuff that my dad was trying to like discipline me with and I turned into something like a funner version of those things. Like with swimming, it was like up at 5 a.m. You know how swimmers like they train. It's crazy. I know.
Speaker 1
So I
Speaker 2
turned that into surfing. So like my paddle is pretty strong and I can, yeah. So I like, so I surf more than I swim. But I swim, I don't, I don't really swim swim anymore. I'll do like open water swimming and swimming in the sea and like swimming in ponds and like natural places.
Speaker 1
Yeah. Do you have long arms?
Speaker 2
I don't think that's any of your business.
Speaker 1
Fine. Fine, well, I'm not going to tell you what Lin said.
Speaker 2
I know that your least strong sense is your vision, but you could have made an effort to just look at the arms. Do you have
Speaker 1
long arms? okay.
Speaker 2
Can you clear something up for me? It's just been bugging me this whole time.
Speaker 1
Are your
Speaker 2
arms longer than sure they meet where are they in the spectrum?
Speaker 1
okay, but he said, he said, first of all, he was like, ask Andrew what
He said, The
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only way, Colombo with his, The only way I can figure out. It's
Speaker 1
a good Peter Falk. Peter Falk, me and him have the same birthday, not too related. Let me
Speaker 2
smell, just one more thing. No, one more thing. Let me smell your arms.
Just because the, the motor I had is particularly long swimmer's arms. I don't know. I just not wearing my glasses.
But my nose is strong, so I'd like to just, never mind. I'm out. One more thing. One
Speaker 1
more thing. Can I smell your
Speaker 2
arm?
Speaker 1
I was trying to see if it smells like chlorine
Speaker 2
or you've been in the pool.
Speaker 1
Oh shit. God, Peter Falk.
Speaker 2
You guys remember Peter
Speaker 1
Falk, right? If you, anyone under the age of 50? Columbo, god damn it. Love Columbo so much. But so Lin, Lin's question for you was, what other secret, you know, he had a two-parter. First was like, what other secret, what other secret thing are you good at that we don't know yet? I know. He's like, tell us now. So director can, a director can know.
But he basically was basically saying like, you know, does anything feel like too much of a challenge? you do a lot of, you, you really take on a lot of challenges for the work that you do. You're, you're game.
Speaker 2
Yeah. That's a cool question. it's a question I've been asking myself.
you know, you know what I'm really scared of?
Speaker 1
Yeah?
Speaker 2
I'm gonna tell you anyway. being a, being a dad
Speaker 1
scares
Speaker 2
the shit out of me. It scares me so much. You're
Speaker 1
gonna be so great. Don't
Speaker 2
even
Speaker 1
worry about it. Seriously, even if you get 50. Mommy's
Speaker 2
proud of my hair. Is that what you're saying? Mother is proud.
Speaker 1
Mother is
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proud.
Speaker 1
If you're gonna be, the fact, Andrew, that you even say it.
Speaker 2
Well, I mean, I, I think that,
Speaker 1
that would be the biggest, most
Speaker 2
important thing I ever probably do.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 2
And I, and I, I know that to be true. It makes me wanna cry thinking about it.
Speaker 1
Cry, cry, cry, cry. I love when boys cry on here. Cry, cry, cry. Talk about,
Speaker 2
it's like,
Speaker 1
fuck
Speaker 2
man.
Speaker 1
Yes, you'd be so good. I know
Speaker 2
what it's like to be on the other end of it, you know? You know what I mean? I've, I've been a child. No, it's
Speaker 1
really, it's nothing. I've been a son. Yes, we, we have all been born from dads and sometimes not, right?
Speaker 2
Right. I don't know.
Speaker 1
Well.
Speaker 2
Don't cancel us.
Speaker 1
Don't, I'm sorry. We all, we're all born however we want.
Fuck. Wait, but get, let's get back to you crying.
But you're going to be such a good dad. I, I, I
Speaker 2
want to do it. I do want to do it, and I, and I, and it kind of, you can sometimes feel a bit selfish with, I want to be at this. Well, I don't know. I don't know. So I, so I'm, the, the, in terms of a challenge, I can't imagine a greater, a greater challenge than, taking that kind of responsibility. and then there was another question about stuff I'm good at.
I, a sad, I'll, I'll, I'll respond in a sad way.
Speaker 1
Always.
Speaker 2
I, and it, it relates back to the body failing. Oh
Speaker 1
my God, what are you going to say? Just grab something.
Speaker 2
Get that fell back in my hand, sweet fell. Let's
Speaker 1
do a little, yeah.
Speaker 2
I, I was playing basketball recently.
Speaker 1
I
Speaker 2
love basketball. And I thought, I think I'm pretty good at basketball.
Speaker 1
I have a theory about this. I think the worst injuries happen with men in their forties when they play basketball.
Speaker 2
It's, it's a theory that's backed up with a lot of evidence.
Speaker 1
Go ahead. What did you do? The
Speaker 2
Columbo sister. Columbo
Speaker 1
sister. She comes and she's like, Carl, let's get out of here. And he goes, wait a minute, just.
She's like, we said you were leaving like 10 minutes ago.
Columbo sister is like, get in the car. Jesus, you had your keys in your hand for 10 minutes. I've been waiting in the car. Carl was like, just a second.
Okay, sorry, sorry. Okay, basketball. Let's get back on track. I played
Speaker 2
basketball with some friends. I was playing with Woody Harrelson.
Speaker 1
Oh, great. He's a good basketball player, I know that. Why Men Can't
Speaker 2
Jump is one of my all-time favorite movies. Why am I holding these felts like they're cards in a
Speaker 1
poker game? Oh my god. Do you
Speaker 2
have, do you have,
Speaker 1
do you have orange cheese? Great. Okay, sorry. Come on, Andrew, focus.
Speaker 2
If anyone's not watching this and just listening to it on the podcast, fuck, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1
I'm
Speaker 2
sorry for most of what's been happening.
Oh, Jesus Christ. I was playing with Woody, who I love and I've been a fan of forever, and Why Men Can't Jump is just one of those all-time great movies, and he's just one of my all-time favorite performances of all time. All time, all time, all time. And I was so excited to play with him, and then as soon as we got on the court, I just froze.
I was just like.
Speaker 1
You got it in your head.
Speaker 2
Just like, I was just like the seven-year-old at the party that just wants to go home.
Speaker 1
Oh god, yes. Oh god, yes. I was
Speaker 2
just so scared. It was
Speaker 1
like fight or flight or freeze. I was frozen, I folded.
Speaker 2
I fully frozen folded. And I played really badly. I just want to apologize to all the game. And that's tough for a
Speaker 1
competitive person like you.
Speaker 2
Yeah, I froze. I was just like, I love Woody so much. I've been wanting to play with him for so long and it was finally our time. And he still plays great. And he's like, you know. I don't think
Speaker 1
he should. Woody, if you're listening, you're going to blow out your knee. He's
Speaker 2
taking really good care of himself, but he, he, he's a competitive, he's fiercely competitive. Yeah, yeah. And I love it. I absolutely love it. Anyway, so, a thing that I thought was a hidden talent, Lin, turns out,
Speaker 1
It's gone.
Speaker 2
It's, and there was never maybe there. So there, there we have it.
Speaker 1
You made a movie that took place in 1381.
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 1
And it is about a peasant uprising. It looks badass. It's called, it looks, I, I, I saw the trailer for it and, and the feeling of like, whoa, this is a very political, very interesting movie to make right now. And what is it about?
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's a true, it's about true events in that period of British history. it's the, it's called the Peasants' Revolt. and it was a, a big uprising, among the, the ordinary folk of the, of the British Isles that came together in an organized way. And it's, it's told, the story is told in a way that is very unique and it's, cause it's this, it's one of my favorite directors of all time, Paul Greengrass, who people would have seen a lot of his amazing films like Captain Phillips or The Bourne.
Series, movies with Matt Damon, or, United 93, or Bloody Sunday, The News of the World with Tom Hanks. some of my favorite films of all time, and I've wanted to work with Paul forever, and, and, and it brings up really interesting questions about revolution, about violence in revolution, whether it's needed, whether it's not, how change can happen without some form of military coup.
Like, it's really a, a, a visceral story.
Speaker 1
It's so cool. It looks incredible. And,
Speaker 2
and, and it's a ride as well. It's also just like a really entertaining kind of action film. It's like a really cool movie. And it also
Speaker 1
has my, my scariest kind of villain, which is a, a boy king.
Speaker 2
Oh yeah, boy king, tyrant boy king.
Speaker 1
Tyrant boy king. Oh
Speaker 2
yeah.
Speaker 1
There's nothing scary. Yeah,
Speaker 2
yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was real. Richard, Richard, this, this King Richard was 14 years old and he had, and at that time, this is what's crazy, at that time, and it wasn't metaphorical, it was literal, the king was the messenger of God's word on the earth. So anything that the king uttered was literally treated like it was sent from heaven above.
There was, and any equivocation of that meant you were a treasonous and traitor to the throne. So anything that this boy decides, this 14-year-old boy who is being governed a lot by these money hoarding, power hoarding, land hoarding oligarchs, was treated, was had, had to be, it was, there was no question. It was just like, that's the way it is.
Water is wet. You know, sky is blue. The king is God on earth.
Speaker 1
Okay.
Speaker 2
That's that. So at that level of power, it's a really interesting
Speaker 1
thing
Speaker 2
for right now.
Speaker 1
I need to finish our, I need to finish. You need to go. You have like 45, but 45 other things to do tonight. But,
Speaker 2
but I want to
Speaker 1
finish by asking you the question I ask everybody, which is, what are you listening to, watching, numbing out with? Oh, I love
Speaker 2
numbing out, man. Okay,
Speaker 1
what do you, what do you, what video do you like? What movie? What video?
Speaker 2
What's your video? What's
Speaker 1
your video? Sometimes it's just a video of like a bird eating
Speaker 2
a worm.
Speaker 1
We're back on the first date. Now we're back on the first date. What's your favorite video?
What video, what video do you watch when you want to,
when you want to turn off your head? Yeah, what's the
Speaker 2
video?
Speaker 1
What video do you watch?
Speaker 2
My favorite video right now is, I've been watching a lot of Roy Horn of Siegfried and Roy fame, because I play Roy Horn in this, in this upcoming Apple TV show, and we just finished. Do you know this? I
Speaker 1
love this for you.
Speaker 2
It's really fun. You're
Speaker 1
playing Roy Horn.
Speaker 2
Yeah, so I've been watching lots of Roy Horn videos. Is that why your
Speaker 1
hair is so luscious? Yes,
Speaker 2
yes, that's partly. But then we just end up putting wigs on of the same hair.
Speaker 1
It's
Speaker 2
like, can I get a wig of this on this hair? Yeah, great, that makes sense. No, no, no, it does make sense. We're playing them through me and Jude Law. Jude Law's playing Siegfried. And we're playing them through the, through the decades, from their twenties through to their sixties. It's amazing. So fun. It was so hard.
Speaker 1
Manticore, Manticore,
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Man Eater, it means Man Eater.
Speaker 1
The name means
Speaker 2
Man Eater.
Speaker 1
I did not know that. The tiger that.
Speaker 2
There was an incident with, we say incident.
Speaker 1
There was
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an incident.
Speaker 1
There was an accident. There was an accident. Which means Man
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Eater.
Speaker 1
I cannot wait for this project.
Speaker 2
And Roy hand-raised him.
Speaker 1
Yeah. Wow. And Roy,
Speaker 2
yeah, so I'm, I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1
And I'm still
Speaker 2
obsessed. That's a good sign that I've, we, we, we were prepping for a year. We shot it for six months and I'm still obsessed with Roy. I still adore him and his spirit. so I've just been watching lots of, footage of him for the last year and a half and I continue to watch it because I just adore him. And have
Speaker 1
you handled tigers? Have you been near tigers? I
Speaker 2
have been near tigers, yes. But I, but only in a, in a very legal and safe way, but I did feed a tiger by hand, which was kind of incredible.
Speaker 1
Tigers are amazing. And I, and I, and I, and I say to them, good day, sir.
Speaker 2
Yes. I say
Speaker 1
to tigers, and I, and it is nice to meet you, and I shall take my leave
Speaker 2
because
Speaker 1
tigers scare the fuck out of me. Yeah. They're so. I lived
Speaker 2
with them.
Speaker 1
I know. He
Speaker 2
hit a thing in the morning. He hit a button as he woke up. And it sent a bell into the garden, letting the tiger that he wanted know it was time to come and snuggle. The tiger came into the house, came up to the bed, jumped on bed, and they snuggled to wake Roy up. He was something else, man. He was something else.
Speaker 1
Andrew Garfield.
Speaker 2
Amy Poehler.
Speaker 1
We have talked so much. This was so fun. We yap.
Speaker 2
We yap.
Speaker 1
We yap. We, I knew we would. Me
Speaker 2
too. It's been a while.
Speaker 1
I know, it's so fun to be with you. I love talking to you. I feel
Speaker 2
like we're from the same planet in some regard. I feel like we're from some kind of same universe, which I,
Speaker 1
I
Speaker 2
love just being with you and I've always, always have. I remember when I first met you, it was with Jane Aronson, Dr. Jane Aronson of the Worldwide Orphans Foundation. And I was really nervous to meet you because I'm just a huge fan of yours and I just think you're just so wonderful. I, I, I hadn't known many famous people at that point. And you were just like so warm and engulfing and encouraging and caring in such a genuine way that made me feel a lot of hope for, for, for being a person in this world.
And I, I, you, you, you're, you're a beautiful, beautiful person. I really adore you. Thank you.
Speaker 1
Thank you so much. You smell so good. Maybe we should, no. It's my best sense, and I care to say, Andrew smells great, just like we thought.
Andrew Garfield, everybody. Andrew Garfield, that was so fun. Oh, you're just a real silly billy. I had such a good time with you. Thank you so much for doing this. And, and for this polar plunge, you know, we talked about some great people that Andrew worked with, including Sally Field. And I just wanted to remind everybody, if you're looking for a movie, a beautiful movie that's filled with heart and will make you cry, and, and it's all about, like, the, the spirit of, of, of a woman saving her farm, check out a movie called Places in the Heart with Sally Field and Danny Glover and a young John Malkovich and Ed Harris and Amy Madigan, and it's so, so good.
Not enough people talk about this movie and it's one of my favorites. Places in the heart, Sally Field, I love you. Andrew Garfield, we love you. Thank you so much for doing this episode and thanks everybody for listening. See you soon.
You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Papercite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaia McMullen, Alea Zeneris, Bridget Geerlings, Paige Garbarini, Belle Roman, and Drew Van Steenbergen.
For Papercite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.
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