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Without Warning The Lauren Agee Case podcast.

December 28, 2019

Lauren Agee attended Wakefest in Smithville, TN with some friends. On the last day without warning Lauren's life was gone in an instant. Join Professional Investigator Sheila Wysocki as she takes back the curtain to go behind the scenes of an investigation. You decide who is telling the truth, who isn't, what happened to the evidence, and what happened with the police investigation. See what Lauren's mom, Sherry Smith has to do in order to speak for her daughter. Was it murder or a tragic accident, you decide. True Crime in real time.



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Without Warning
Investigation Derailed – The Kadie Major Case
Episode 8 Show Notes
Crowdsourcing is all about teamwork. Helen Keller once said, “Alone we can do so little, together we can do so much.” That’s why I invite people to share their expertise on my cases – I want to be challenged to consider ideas that I didn’t think of on my own. Private investigator and podcaster Lori Morrison of The Unlovely Truth joins me to review last week’s discussion with the hosts of Three Men and a Mystery, John Lordan, Mike Morford, and Gray Hughes, and my crowdsource forensic team lead Danielle Burch. Have our opinions of their analyses changed in light of new evidence?
Tune in to Season 3, Episode 8 of Without Warning, in which renowned private investigator Sheila Wysocki utilizes crowdsourcing to uncover the mystery surrounding the deaths of Kadie, River , Lynn, and Aadon Major.
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Without Warning
Investigation Derailed – The Kadie Major Case
Episode 7 Show Notes
The best stories always have a twist that you didn’t see coming. Real life is like that too, and investigations are no exception. When new information becomes available, it can either confirm your ideas, or disprove them. Sometimes, that means rethinking how you feel a case unfolded. Listen in to some real life plot twists on this week’s episode.
Tune in to Season 3, Episode 7 of Without Warning, in which renowned private investigator Sheila Wysocki utilizes crowdsourcing to uncover the mystery surrounding the deaths of Kadie, River Lynn, and Aadon Major.
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Without Warning
Investigation Derailed – The Kadie Major Case
Episode 6 Show Notes
Investigations can be complex and time consuming. Few families can afford to pay for all of the help that they need. That’s why crowdsourcing is such a great resource for families still searching for answers to what happened to their loved one. Sheila’s network of PI s that she works with is amazing, but she could never make as much progress on her cases without her crowdsource volunteers. Author Stephen King once said “The truth is in the details”, and in researching the details of the deaths of Kadie, River, and Aadon Major, the team has uncovered some truly shocking details. Join Sheila as she and some of her crowdsourcers discuss what they find the most shocking about this case, and why they volunteer their time and resources to help families find the truth.
Tune in to Season 3, Episode 3 of Without Warning, in which renowned private investigator Sheila Wysocki utilizes crowdsourcing to uncover the mystery surrounding the deaths of Kadie, River Lynn, and Aadon Major.
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Red Flags – circumstances or facts that need me to take a closer look. Look at any investigating that has already been done to see if there are any gaps that need to be filled. Along with that, get a good understanding of everyone involved in the investigation to see what their level of training and expertise is.
Red is often used as a warning color because it’s a color that grabs your attention. In an investigation, red flags jump out and grab your attention because they don’t seem to fit the given narrative of the case. The deaths of Kadie Major, her infant daughter River, and her unborn son Aadon have a lot of red flags. I’ve asked investigators Mark Gillespie, Mike Kenney, and Jay and Lauren Marin to talk about these with me.
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Without Warning Kadie Major Investigation Derailed Episode 4 Show Notes.

How far would Vicky Hall go to get answers to her daughter’s death, and the deaths of her grandchildren? Her son-in-law and his family were exhibiting some very puzzling behavior. The police seemed bent on closing the case with minimal investigation. A private investigator would make some great strides, but when a national news magazine’s coverage got police to reopen the case, would Vicky finally get the full story?
Tune in to Season 3, Episode 4 of Without Warning, in which renowned private investigator Sheila Wysocki utilizes crowdsourcing to uncover the mystery surrounding the deaths of Kadie, River, and Aadon Major.
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Without Warning Podcast
Investigation Derailed – The Kadie Major Case
Episode 3 Show Notes
"I've Got Them"
Parents should not outlive their children. They should not have to attend the funeral of their child and their grandchildren. How do you make it through a day that should not be happening? Listen to Vicky’s own words as she describes dealing with her grief as she struggled to understand the actions of Aaron and his family. While hundreds of friends and family were pouring out their love for Kadie, Aaron’s father was heard speculating that Kadie may have been high on LSD provided by one of her uncles. Rahnda confronted Vicky about whether she could be in the room as the casket was closed. And Aaron? Aaron’s behavior was the strangest of all.
Tune in to Season 3, Episode 3 of Without Warning, in which renowned private investigator Sheila Wysocki utilizes crowdsourcing to uncover the mystery surrounding the deaths of Kadie, River Lynn, and Aadon Major.
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Though she didn’t know it herself, Vicky’s life would be turned upside down on the night of January 17th, 2008. With the life of her own daughter ripped from her world, Vicky Hall begins to piece together the oddities in the people Kadie Major thought she could call family.
From Aaron’s mismatched descriptions to the friction Kadie had with her mother-in-law, things weren’t adding up and Vicky herself knew better than anyone else that the case wasn’t closed. Though she tries to move on, every new detail paints her a picture different from the reality of what was to come.
Tune in to Season 3, Episode 2 of Without Warning, in which renowned private investigator Sheila Wysocki utilizes crowdsourcing to uncover the mystery surrounding the deaths of Kadie, River Lynn, and Aidan Major.
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Kadie Major grew up a bubbly, cheerful girl in a small town just outside of Charleston, South Carolina. She always dreamed of owning a farmhouse where she could raise horses and grow her family. In high school, she fell in love with a quiet, reserved classmate named Aaron Major. They eventually married and settled into a house just minutes away from Kadie’s parents.
By January 2008, Kadie Major seemed to have the perfect life. She and Aaron had a beautiful 10-month old baby girl named River Lynn, with a baby boy (to be named Aidan Robert) on the way. Everything was on the right track.
Yet things aren’t always as they seem. Aaron appeared to struggle with depression during his college days, and the couple was prone to argument and bickering. Even Aaron’s mother, Ronda, had a series of unnerving interactions with Kadie.
On the evening of January 16, 2008, Kadie asked her mother, Vicky, to join her for dinner. Vicky asked to postpone for another night. That dinner would never come.
Tune in to Season 3, Episode 1 of Without Warning, in which renowned private investigator Sheila Wysocki utilizes crowdsourcing to uncover the mystery surrounding the deaths of Kadie, River Lynn, and Aidan Major.
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On January 16, 2008, a 26-year old pregnant mother, Kadie Major, drove to the outskirts of her South Carolina town, drowned her 10-month old daughter named River Lynn in a creek, and then jumped in front of an oncoming train. Soon after, Aaron Major received devastating news of the deaths of his wife, baby girl, and unborn child they planned to name Aidan. 
Or at least that’s what the Berkeley County Sheriff's Department’s investigation concluded. But several details of this story just don’t
Tune in to Season 3 of Without Warning, in which renowned private investigator Sheila Wysocki utilizes crowdsourcing to uncover the mystery surrounding the deaths of Kadie, River Lynn, and Aidan Major.
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Corona Comfort, a new podcast from Junto Media, shares uplifting stories about people, organizations, and businesses coming together to make sure their neighbors and communities are safe, healthy, and cared for during these difficult times.
Our lives are changing drastically. It’s good to know that people all over America are helping one another, and it’s good to have Corona Comfort to share their stories with us.
From people launching online concerts and story times to bring neighbors together, to entrepreneurs transitioning their business models to provide much needed supplies for health care workers on the front lines of the pandemic, Corona Comfort tells the stories of behind-the-scenes heroes whose compassion and commitment gives us all reasons to hope.
Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. We will get through this. Be safe, stay healthy, and be kind to one another.
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Final episode, What about Whitley. Listen to two of Whitley's friends and a former boyfriend who have personal, first hand knowledge of Whitley. The most telling information came from Whitley's former boyfriend. Listen and decide for yourself, what about Whitley?
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What about Whitley? In this episode I talk about Whitley: what she was like as a small child, her behavior to others, her hate-slash-kill list in middle school, her education, her relationships, Christian, and, finally, Key West.
I break it down in detail. Weirdly, her involvement in Christian's case isn't complicated. Her life is very simple. — It's all about Whitley, period. Christian was a vehicle to get what she wanted at the time she wanted it. The problem with Christian was his usefulness had expired. He gave her the ultimate sacrifice, his life, but even that wasn't good enough.
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The Sneak tells true crime stories from in and around the world of sports. In this season, they look at a bizarre heist planned by a disgraced former athlete. Listen now at http://wondery.fm/TheSneak_LWW
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What about Whitley? So today I talk about Whitley, what she was like as a small child, her behavior to others, her hate slash kill list in middle school.
Her education. Her relationships, Christian and finally key West. I will break down in details. Her involvement in Christian's case weirdly isn't complicated. Her life is very simple. It is all about Whitley period. Christian was a vehicle to get what she wanted at the time she wanted it. The problem with Christian was his usefulness had expired and he gave her the ultimate sacrifice, his life, but that wasn't good enough.
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BLOOD TIES: A scripted audio series starring Gillian Jacobs, Josh Gad, and Amy Landecker.
When legendary pediatric cardiologist and businessman, Dr. Peter Richland, is killed in a plane crash two days before Christmas, secrets begin to emerge about his dealings with female colleagues throughout his career. These disturbing revelations thrust his children, Eleonore and Michael, into a fight they’re completely unprepared for.
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Dylan Swearingen claimed to be one of Christian Andreacchio’s best friends. They had not been close in high school, but a bad breakup for Dylan coincided with Christian’s final split with Avery, and the two began to hang out more. It wasn’t long before Dylan’s drug use escalated, and Christian warned Whitley that he considered Dylan a bad influence. That didn’t stop her from letting Dylan come over when Christian was gone working on the boat. Christian and Dylan’s relationship became so strained that witnesses have them fighting at a party in December. After that, contact between the two practically stopped. So why would Dylan be the one Christian called for a ride back to Meridian?
Listen to private investigator Sheila Wysocki highlight key differences in Dylan and Whitley’s statements. Consider Dylan’s words when compared to forensics, video evidence, and witness statements. Decide for yourself if Dylan’s stories about the debit card, the broken cell phone, or the trip to Best Buy ring true. You’ll also hear from investigators Mike Kenny and Lori Morrison on their thoughts about Dylan.
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Rae Andreacchio and Sheila Wysocki answer questions about the Meridian Election, Mayor Percy Bland, Whitley Goodman and more.
Rae and I discuss the suicidal text messages, the numerous phone calls Christian made to Whitley, the location app on Whitley's phone and many more.
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In the next two episodes, I will be talking to Rae to get updates and answer your questions. The top story in this episode is the resolution to bring in the Department of Justice voted on election day in Meridian. Was it for show or is Meridian ready for a positive change? Time will tell. The election has taken place but the results are being reviewed, Rae will answer some questions about the review to the best of her knowledge. Michael Grace is the first candidate to stand up to the way things have always been done in over 30 years, maybe more. Bravo to his courage. 
 
Let's jump into my conversation with Rae, if I don’t get to your answers in these two episodes, keep sending them, I will get to the questions shared from my field notes on Without Warning youtube channel. Of course, my Patreon members can ask anytime. 

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Anaheim investigator Julissa Trapp is not like other detectives. She’s the only woman on the homicide squad, and a skilled chameleon: undercover cop in vice stings, crime-scene commander, patient confidante of killers. A master interrogator, she invokes her personal experience – and deepest griefs — as a tool to elicit confessions.
When a young woman’s body is found at a trash-sorting plant, Trapp learns the murder may be linked to the disappearance of three other women in nearby Santa Ana. Trapp embarks on a dark journey that brings her face to face with a man who takes “a little piece of her soul.”
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In the last two episodes you heard Kassie Coleman, Benny Dubose, J Arrington, Gypsi Ward, Tony Green, and Richie McAllister all discussing the Christian Andreacchio case. The focus was on the case file — who had it and what was in it. Of course, they managed to get in a few underhanded remarks about the Andreacchios, the family asking questions about the botched investigation of Christian's death.
There are two things everyone in that room agreed on: First, it was a botched investigation and second, the body was moved. Even with that knowledge about the investigation and the case, no one in that room feels the need to help this family by find out the truth.
It appears the truth is whatever these six individuals decide. 
During the leaked meeting, J. Arrington described Mark Gillespie as "a private investigator who said he had new evidence." I feel it is important for you, the listeners, to hear what Mark actually said to Arrington.
In this episode, you'll hear the recorded phone call between J. Arrington and Mark Gillespie, which took place prior to the July 1st meeting. Hear for yourself what was said and what wasn’t.
I give my analysis of the call but the analysis that really matters is yours What do you think?
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A meeting on was held on July 1 at the Meridian Police Dept. The following people attended 

Kassie Coleman – District Attorney
Benny Dubose – Police Chief (MPD)
Jay Arrington – Captain of Investigations (MPD)
Gypsi Ward – Investigator (AG)
Tony Green – Director of Investigations PID (AG)
Richie McAlister – Chief Administrative Officer
 
Christian Andreacchio’s case was the subject of the meeting, the power players in Meridian and Mississippi all in one place discussing Christian. The meeting speaks for itself, Jay Arrington spent the meeting covering his actions and agitated that the Andreacchios have sought outside help. Kassie Coleman concentrated on what information was at the police station, in the evidence locker, what communications they available had with the Andreacchios. Of course, Kassie Coleman keeps saying that there isn’t new evidence, a ridiculous statement. Why Richie McAlister is involved in the meeting, is perplexing. Tony Green the director of the public integrity being part of the conversation is invaluable, his belief in his role, the role of the AG office and the Andreacchios speaks volums. Gypsi Ward was the investigator on the case, she also presented the case to the grand jury. This group of collaborators appears to be covering their actions, slamming the Andreacchios and their efforts. 
 
Listen to the conversation, decide for yourself, would you want this group of collaborators in charge of your son’s case?
 

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A meeting on was held on July 1 at the Meridian Police Dept. The following people attended:
Kassie Coleman – District Attorney
Benny Dubose – Police Chief (MPD)
Jay Arrington – Captain of Investigations (MPD)
Gypsi Ward – Investigator (AG)
Tony Green – Director of Investigations PID (AG)
Richie McAlister – Chief Administrative Officer
Were they there to help the Andreacchio family? Were they there to figure out how the investigation got botched or were they there to cover their mistakes and get on the same page to cover up yet another case gone bad?
Christian Andreacchio’s case was the subject of the meeting, the power players in Meridian and Mississippi all in one place discussing Christian. The meeting speaks for itself, Jay Arrington spent the meeting covering his actions and agitated that the Andreacchios have sought outside help.
Kassie Coleman concentrated on what information was at the police station, in the evidence locker, what communications they available had with the Andreacchios. Of course, Kassie Coleman keeps saying that there isn’t new evidence, a ridiculous statement.
Why Richie McAlister is involved in the meeting, is perplexing. This is the same man who was caught on tape saying he was going to have to piss on a kid’s memory.
Tony Green the director of the public integrity being part of the conversation is invaluable, his belief in his role, the role of the AG office and the Andreacchios speaks volumes. He said they don’t dance to the Andreacchios, isn’t he suppose to protect the public from people like himself?
Gypsi Ward was the investigator on the case, she also presented the case to the grand jury. An investigator that presented to the grand jury with evidence that had nothing to do with Christian’s case. Was she trying to skew the results so they wouldn’t proceed?
This group of collaborators appears to be covering their actions, slamming the Andreacchios and their efforts instead of helping a family in need.
Listen to the conversation, decide for yourself, would you want this group of collaborators in charge of your son’s case?
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Audioboom presents: What Makes a Killer.
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What Makes a Killer premieres 10/31.
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Do you trust that your government officials will use their power to help you when you need them?
Rae Andreacchio did. But when her son Christian was tragically murdered, officials — from the police to the District Attorney to the Attorney General — abandoned their sworn duties in an effort to quickly close his case. 
Now a lot of people are wondering why.
Join Sheila as she, Rae, and Josh discuss the shameful way that Christian's case file — including autopsy photos — was made public. You will be shocked when you hear who requested a copy of the file, when they requested it, and what they did with it once they had it.
It's time to let the people of Meridian know what happens when people with too much power have an agenda, and it isn't to see justice done.
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Forensic expert and consultant Mike Martinez weighs in on the Christian Andreacchio case, sharing his opinion on the suicide vs. homicide debate.
Mike holds both a Bachelor of Science in Natural Science & Mathematics and a Master of Science in Forensic Science from the University of Alabama at Birmingham. He is also trained Emergency Medical Technician.
Mike manages the Trace Evidence section for the Bexar County Criminal Investigation Laboratory in San Antonio, Texas, and has provided Forensic Science services for criminal and civil cases throughout the United States. He has served as a training expert for the U.S. Dept. of State Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs (INL), the U.S. Dept. of Justice International Criminal Investigative Training Assistance Program (ICITAP), and the U.S. Dept. of Defense Civil Support Team (CST). 
In this episode, Mike speaks with Sheila about what is and is not important when evaluating a crime scene and explains why blood spatter location is important in assessing the overall scene. 
These will count toward the Five Forensic Factors at the crime scene that don't add up to suicide. These factors are:

the position of the body

the trajectory of the wound

the location of the spent cartridge

the location of the bullet

the position of the gun

These factors are in addition to the inconsistencies in witness statements.
Listen to this episode to hear Mike’s conclusions after weighing all the forensic information.
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In Wondery's new series Bad Batch, host Laura Beil (Dr. Death) investigates the multi-billion dollar underregulated industry of stem cell therapy where greed and desperation collide.
When a group of patients wind up in a Texas hospital in critical condition, the trail leads back to one stem cell company and its charismatic CEO. What happens when a supposed miracle cure leaves you worse off than before?
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Sheila, Rae Andreachio, Josh Andreacchio, and private investigator Lori Morrison sit down to discuss the corruption they see in the Meridian Police Department's handling of Christian's case.
Rae reveals new information about DNA evidence from the scene — revealed only through leaked audio. Josh talks about the bullet found in the bathtub and why he believes it was intentionally placed there by someone.
Even more revealing: Listeners are reaching out with their own stories about how MPD's poor investigation procedures have left them baffled and frustrated over the suspicious death of their own loved one.
Rae and Josh go into detail about the MPD's lack of time and attention to this case compared to others, and everyone gives their thoughts on why some cases seem to get a thorough investigation while others don't.
The group talks about a medical examiner's ability to determine whether an individual is depressed just by looking at autopsy photos and whether it's an ME's job to even address such an issue. As an experienced investigator, Sheila has seen time and time again how the narrative provided by the police has colored a medical examiner's report.
In Christian's case, Dylan called it a suicide, the 9-1-1 operator transferred that narrative to the police, and they accepted it instead of considering him a suspect until he could be definitively cleared.
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Christian Andreaccio's last place on earth became a crime scene. Crime scenes contain physical evidence that can tell us what really happened to a victim, and in this episode, we review that crime scene with Alina Burroughs and Mark Gillespie. We discuss what was and was not done, and what should have been done. 

First responders were delayed after Dylan Swearingen gave the 911 operator the wrong address. When they did finally arrive, a narrative was already established: it was a suicide. Why was that narrative established? Because that's what Dylan told the 911 operator. 

Penny, a listener, joins in with details from the police file. Another listener provides us with audio from Whitley’s spokesperson, talking about Christian’s case.

All in this episode of Without Warning with Sheila Wysocki.

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People dial 911 during a critical event to get help for themselves or someone else as quickly as possible. What someone says during a 911 can profoundly impact any subsequent investigation into what happened, criminal or otherwise. 

In this episode of the Without Warning Podcast, Sheila Wysocki discusses the Christian Andreacchio 911 call. Why start with the 911 call? This is where most investigations begin, so it's where we start, together, examining Christian Andreacchio's case.

Sheila discusses the 911 call with experts, investigators, and Christian’s family. Does the scene fit the 911 call? Is the caller telling the truth? Did Dylan delay first responders to Christian’s apartment? This is a practical look at Christian’s 911 call, taking the listener through his words, analyzing them, and reviewing the scene through knowledge and experience.  










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On February 26, 2014, Christian Andreacchio was found dead in Meridian, Mississippi, the “safest city in Mississippi with more than 30,000 people.” Was it suicide or was it murder? Why have officials been slow to act on this case?  Come along with Private Investigator, Sheila Wysocki, as she goes step-by-step through this investigation and dives into the lives of those involved. This is Season 2 of Without Warning-The Christian Andreacchio Case. 






Alina Burroughs talks about being a forensic scientist, the cases she has worked on from the Pulse Mass Shooting to Casey Anthony case.

My name is Michael Smith. I am Lauren's stepfather.

In this episode, you are going to hear never before heard audio from someone who was close to Lauren at the time of her death, and someone who really knew her!

Mike Smith talks about the behind the scenes of finding out Lauren was dead to the fight for justice.  

I think Lauren was independent in a lot of ways and dependent in others because I think she was really dependent on her mother to do a lot of things for her with her. And she was independent and independent spirit that loves her own space her own friends really her own life in a sense to to just a zest for fun that just never ended. 

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"To live in hearts we leave behind is not to die"

Lauren Agee attended Wakefest in Smithville, TN with some friends. On the last day without warning Lauren's life was gone in an instant. Join Professional Investigator Sheila Wysocki as she takes back the curtain to go behind the scenes of an investigation. You decide who is telling the truth, who isn't, what happened to the evidence, and what happened with the police investigation. See what Lauren's mom, Sherry Smith has to do in order to speak for her daughter. Was it murder or a tragic accident, you decide. True Crime in real time.

Unbelievable audio with the lead homicide detective in DeKalb County Tennessee, Jeremy Taylor and the parents of Lauren Agee, Sherry and Michael Smith. Jeremy Taylor is talking to Sherry and Michael Smith a month after Lauren's death looking for answers. The disregard to the case and the parents will infuriate you. This is hard audio to listen to but necessary to understand what the family has gone through for justice. 

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Lauren's family fights for justice believing that Jeremy Taylor was doing his job. Sherry and Mike Smith wanted to record Jeremy's phone call for reference, good thing they did, it is a goldmine of his ability to investigator or not investigate. This is a true behind the scene's conversation on Lauren's case. 

 

 

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On February 26, 2014 Rae Andreacchio suffered the tragic loss of her 21-year-old son, Christian. After a 4-year fight, her cries for justice have gone unanswered. Host Dennis Cooper works alongside Sheila Wysocki and her team to unearth the truth behind the story of a young man with a promising future, whose life met an unexpected end, and the years of injustice that ensued. From Black Mountain Media and Tenderfoot TV, this is Culpable. 

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Culpable explores unsettled cases where the people who seem deserving of blame have somehow eluded justice. Whether it is the result of inept investigative work, flaws in the judicial system, or flat out corruption, the truth is that a failure to hold the guilty accountable for a crime they’ve committed can be as tragic as the crime itself. Culpable will investigate and shine a light on such cases with the hope of uncovering the truth, finding justice, and bringing closure to victims’ families.

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Questions from listeners and Criminal Justice Interns. Many questions have been asked about the case, I wanted to take a minute to answer some emails. 

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Attorney Tom Shaw from Dallas, Texas helps Navigate Rulings from the Lauren Agee case. Tom takes us through the latest legal journey and helps lay people understand the law, the rulings and what he would have done with Lauren's case. 

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Sherry Smith continues to look for answers on the day her daughter Lauren died. Turning to the only avenue available to her she files a lawsuit, only to have her case thrown out. The court of appeal overturned Judge Jonathan Young's ruling. 

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Desperate mom seeks help from Professional Investigator Sheila Wysocki, who became a private investigator to solve her college roommate's brutal murder that went cold for 26 years. After the success in Angie Samota’s case, Sheila Wysocki continued to help victim’s families find justice. Join Sheila Wysocki and other investigators as they unravel the mysterious death of Lauren Agee, a 21-year-old who was found dead in the water at the bottom of a cliff. No media spin, no pages missing, only the cold hard truth.
 
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Sherry Smith continues to look for justice and find answers the only way a mom would know, file a lawsuit and make the people that were with Lauren tell what happened the day she died. Unfortunately Sherry did not get justice or answers. This episode you will hear directly from the judge that ruled in Sherry Smith's case. You decide if Sherry received justice.

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Part 2 of Chris Yarchuk the White County Police Officer head of security for Wakefest. Chris takes us through the events of Wake fest and finding Lauren's body. 

This was the first time Sherry Smith and Chris Yarchuk have ever talked. This was an emotional conversation with Chris Yarchuk describing the events of the day. 

A special thanks to Chris Yarchuk and all the officers who put their lives on the line. 

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Chris Yarchuck met Lauren the night before she died at Fishlipz. Lauren bounced up to him asking about being a police office. The next time Chris Yarchuck saw Lauren she was floating face down at Pate's Ford Marina. This is a conversation between Chris, Sheila Wysocki, and Sherry Smith. 

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On this episode you will hear audio of the autopsy report being translated loosely to Sherry and Mike Smith. The private investigator going over the report was brought in by an attorney that contacted Sherry and Mike.

 All along I have said this is a podcast that is bringing you behind the curtain, it has been an ugly ride and it is going to get uglier. I want you to know what really happens in cases and be completely transparent. I am not indicting the police but showing what happened to a family. There are heroes in blue, Chris Yarchuck and Ryan Melanson, those are two officers you want to show up. This podcast is not a case tied up in a bow, it is messy and real.

 

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Mark Gillespie will answer questions from the audience. Mark Gillespie, from Texas, has 35 years of investigative and forensic science experience. A former federal agent with a forensic science master’s degree, Gillespie launched his PI profession in 2004 and specializes in criminal defense investigations, cold cases, human trafficking, and missing persons. He has a passion for seeking justice for victims and the accused. “Facts may not always be what they appear, let’s roll!

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Mark Gillespie will answer questions from the audience. Mark Gillespie, from Texas, has 35 years of investigative and forensic science experience. A former federal agent with a forensic science master’s degree, Gillespie launched his PI profession in 2004 and specializes in criminal defense investigations, cold cases, human trafficking, and missing persons. He has a passion for seeking justice for victims and the accused. “Facts may not always be what they appear, let’s roll!

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Listeners get a chance to send in their questions for Sheila to answer. Questions on why didn't Lauren leave to, Can you sue Dekalb county, Tennessee police department, Questions about the canoe and about the investigation. 

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Bobby Chacon, Retired FBI Agent/Attorney. TV analyst. FBI Dive Team Leader. Writers Consultant on Criminal Minds CBS.  

I sat down the other day with retired FBI Agent, Bobby Chacon. If you don’t know who he is…you should. I have admired his work for a long time.

Bobby is a career federal law enforcement professional with over 27 years of experience.

He has led teams around the globe…from fighting the war on drugs in the mid 1980s on the streets of Brooklyn… to fighting the war on terror during the mid 2000s in Baghdad and beyond.

He has worked on everything from complex criminal investigations to international deployments and underwater forensic training.

He EVEN helped establish and develop the FBI's underwater forensic program from its inception to its current state….  AND developed the FBI's underwater forensic training program.

I didn’t speak to Bobby until the interview, because I wanted it to be genuine and real. I didn’t want him to have a bias…I just wanted him to give me his thoughts based on his extensive knowledge of criminal investigations…especially those around water.

Listen in as I get the incomparable, Bobby Chacon, to open up and give his insight to the Lauren Agee case.

 

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This episode concludes the deposition of Jeremy Taylor the Dekalb County Detective in charge of Lauren Agee's investigation. Jeremy Taylor continues answering questions on his involvement in the Lauren Agee investigation. 

Listen for the answers to critical questions on the investigative process done by Jeremy Taylor. The questions asked are basic investigative procedures that should have brought answers to Lauren's family. 

Decide for yourself is a proper investigation was done, if Lauren's civil rights were violated by the investigation. 

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Jeremy Taylor, lead detective in charge of Lauren  Agee's investigation continues to answer questions in a deposition. Lauren Agee's mom, Sherry Smith wanted answers to what happened the night her daughter died. Sheriff Patrick Ray of DeKalb County, Tennessee  put Jeremy Taylor in charge of a death investigation without any training. Jeremy Taylor recounts the day of Lauren's death and the steps he took or didn't take to look into what happened. 

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Listen to the deposition of Jeremy Taylor, the lead detective in Lauren Agee case. This is three parts with details on what was done and not done in Lauren Agee's case. Jeremy Taylor explains how he was given the case by Sheriff Patrick Ray. Jeremy Taylor describes the scene when he arrived and what steps he took to find out the truth. Listen to the qualifications, certifications and training Jeremy Taylor has in death investigations. 

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Part Two of one of the most egregious matters, in this case, is how it was mishandled. Simple, standard things that a detective or investigator learns in their 101 training were missed or not done properly. Listeners will hear a court deposition with Sheriff Patrick Ray, the Sheriff of Dekalb County in Smithville, Tennessee who's team was called to the scene the day Lauren's body was found.  Learn what he is most upset about in Lauren's case. The most shocking details though, come with his knowledge - or lack there of - of the Lauren Agee Case.

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One of the most egregious matters, in this case, is how it was mishandled. Simple, standard things that a detective or investigator learns in their 101 training were missed or not done properly. Listeners will hear a court deposition with Sheriff Patrick Ray, the Sheriff of Dekalb County who's team was called to the scene the day Lauren's body was found. Learn his background information including his education, his training, and his resume. The most shocking details though, come with his knowledge - or lack there of - of the Lauren Agee Case.

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Brix Gambrell has been the campers dirty little secret all along. What are they hiding though? An anonymous tip presents shocking details of Chris Stout and Brix Gambrell. Hear more from Chris Stout on when he met Brix, what he knew of Brix's whereabouts that weekend, and how he's tied to him now. Sherry Smith also tells of her strange encounter with Brix just days after Lauren's death. Was Brix there when Lauren died? Tune in as Sheila unravels these mysterious turn of events.

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Just when you thought things couldn’t get any shadier and that you had all the facts this new information will hit you like a ton of bricks! Another person on the cliff? Who is he? Why has no one mentioned him yet? And what is he hiding? Tune in to find out how this deep dark secret came to light when houseboat owners give their account of what they witnessed that weekend and the group of 5 campers they spent time with.

 

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Hannah Palmer has been known to be able to keep a good secret; but just how far is she willing to take it? Sheila sits down with Lauren’s mom, Sherry, and good friend, Lexi, who continue to talk about the events that followed Lauren’s death. Lauren’s biological father, Brian, gives his account of those days as well. Listeners will also get an inside look at Hannah’s past and changing personality from an ex-boyfriend. He tells Sheila that Hannah is great at keeping secrets and shares his own secret about Hannah which will leave listeners in disbelief.

 

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Lauren and her childhood friend, Hannah Palmer, grew up right down the street from each other. Their relationship had its ups and down, but it was obvious that Lauren still trusted Hannah enough to spend a weekend with her at Wakefest. In this episode, you will hear the full interview of Hannah and off-duty police officer, Chris Yarchuck, moments after Lauren’s lifeless body was found. You will also get an inside look at an exclusive interview when Sheila makes a surprise visit to Hannah's house in Florida that she shares with Aaron Lilly. Tune in and get the inside scoop from Hannah herself!

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Lauren and her childhood friend, Hannah Palmer, grew up right down the street from each other. Their relationship had its ups and down, but it was obvious that Lauren still trusted Hannah enough to spend a weekend with her at Wakefest. In this episode, you will hear the full interview of Hannah and off-duty police officer, Chris Yarchuck, moments after Lauren’s lifeless body was found. You will also get an inside look at an exclusive interview when Sheila makes a surprise visit to Hannah's house in Florida that she shares with Aaron Lilly. Tune in and get the inside scoop from Hannah herself!

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You asked. She answered. Sheila sits down with listeners to answer questions regarding the case and podcast. So much has happened already on this season of "Without Warning: The Lauren Agee Case." Join Sheila as she recaps all the important details of that case that have been shared so far. 

 

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Part 2 of the Ex Files continues. 

Clint, Lauren’s ex-boyfriend, is a good looking southern gentleman who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. A convenient scapegoat! Samantha Arnold, an on-again, off-again friend of Lauren, Hannah and Kassi, shares her experience up on the cliff and what she believes happened between Lauren and Clint that weekend. Listeners will also hear from Evan, one of Lauren’s good friends and the last person to see her alive before she left Fishlipz that night. Lauren’s boyfriend at the time she died, Chase, didn’t even make it to Wakefest that fateful weekend. Listen as we take you through the tangled web of exes and how they are being brought in as suspects and hear what their alibis have to say.

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Clint, Lauren’s ex-boyfriend, is a good looking southern gentleman who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. A convenient scapegoat! Samantha Arnold, an on-again, off-again friend of Lauren, Hannah, and Kassi, shares her experience up on the cliff and what she believes happened between Lauren and Clint that weekend. Listeners will also hear from Evan, one of Lauren’s good friends, and the last person to see her alive before she left Fishlipz that night. Lauren’s boyfriend at the time she died, Chase, didn’t even make it to Wakefest that fateful weekend. Listen as we take you through the tangled web of exes and how they are being brought in as suspects, and hear what their alibis have to say.

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Chris Stout was one of the people who was with Lauren the night she died. He was invited to Wakefest by Aaron Lilly who he became fast friends with through their shared love of living on the edge. Chris Stout is a rebellious young man who claims every time he has an encounter with law enforcement he goes to jail. Hear all the different ways he remembers - or doesn’t remember - that fateful night. 

 

Tim Evans: 00:00 The Lauren agee case was hastily close by authorities, but many questions remain come behind the curtain with private investigator. Sheila Wysocki as she uncovers the truth about what happened to Lauren? This is without warning. Warning. The following episode contains details about sexual violence and elements that are graphic in nature.

Chris Stout: 00:26 Make sure all this stuff is figured out. Almost seems like I am a suspect right now, you know, but I know you guys are just doing your job.

Lawyer: 00:35 When did you have incarcerated? Approximately

Chris Stout: 00:38 July. Second 2016.

Lawyer: 00:40 Okay. So just over a year and a half year. Year and a half ago. Is that right?

Chris Stout: 00:45 Yes sir 18 months,

Lawyer: 00:47 now I understand you're here on a criminal charge. Have you had previous criminal convictions prior to the one that landed you in jail?

Chris Stout: 00:57 Speeding tickets. Lawyer: 00:59 What about DUIs?

Chris Stout: 01:01 Yes, but this is for my first DUI.

Lawyer: 01:03 So this is your sentence,is for your for your first DUi?

Chris Stout: 01:06 Yes.

Lawyer: 01:06 Have you had convictions for subsequent DUIs?

Chris Stout: 01:09 Yes.

Lawyer: 01:10 Does that mean multiple?

Chris Stout: 01:11 Yeah. Yes.

Lawyer: 01:12 And how many DUI convictions, do you have?

Chris Stout: 01:13 I have three.

Lawyer: 01:14 You remember the years of those convictions?

Chris Stout: 01:17 Um, 2012, um, and I don't remember the year. The second one, and my third one was in 2016.

Lawyer: 01:33 Okay. This is all in the state of Tennessee?

Chris Stout: 01:35 Yes.

Lawyer: 01:36 Would those convictions for driving under the influence of alcohol or other substances

Chris Stout: 00:00 alcohol

Lawyer: 01:43 were you guys were ever convicted for driving under the influence of a drug?

Chris Stout: 01:47 No, I don't do drugs.

Lawyer: 01:52 Besides those Dui convictions, have you ever been arrested for anything else?

Chris Stout: 01:58 Um, I got arrested for a kps when I was 18 because I missed a court date for a speeding ticket and driving on suspended.

Lawyer: 02:10 Okay. So those are your only other arrests

Chris Stout: 02:13 that I can recall? Yes.

Lawyer: 02:14 You ever been arrested for domestic violence?

Chris Stout: 02:16 No

Lawyer: 02:16 You ever arrested for any assault offenses?

Chris Stout: 02:19 The one now is vehicular assault, they count it as assault.

Lawyer: 02:22 Anything else?

Chris Stout: 02:23 No.

Lawyer: 02:24 Okay.

Sheila Wysocki: 02:26 This is Chris Stout as you know, he was one of the three people that we know of who was with Lauren the evening she died. What you are listening to you is Chris's deposition. He gave about Lauren's case in January 2018. Now let's listen as he reads his written statement. He gave the police the day they found Lauren's body,

Lawyer: 02:51 that one. Do you recognize that as the written statement you gave to the sheriff's department the morning that Lauren's body was found?

Chris Stout: 00:00 Yes.

Lawyer: 03:01 Is that your signature there at the bottom?

Chris Stout: 03:02 Yes.

Lawyer: 03:03 Is that your statement there?

Chris Stout: 03:04 Yes.

Lawyer: 03:05 Could you please read that statement to us

Chris Stout: 03:10 last night? It's a girl.

Lawyer: 03:11 You're good.

Chris Stout: 03:12 Last night this girl came to our campsite for a few minutes saying she was going back to her ex boyfriend. Hung out very shortly. Then I fell asleep and woke up and she was gone talk to her ex the morning and she's. And he said she came back after we left and was trying to get with him the night after we seen her at the camp at camp. He said she was trying to make out with him in front of his new girlfriend. Then he walked away.

Sheila Wysocki: 03:51 Now you'll hear an interview with Chris Stout and Jeremy Taylor, days after Lauren's death.

Chris Stout: 03:59 Um, I got there Friday night and then they already had most of the camp set up and uh, and went, stayed up there Friday night. Trying to think if Hannah and Lauren were there. They were there. They showed up later that night. We were all went and got Her from the dock, came back and we're all hanging out.

Sheila Wysocki : 04:28 Okay. Did you hear what he just said? He doesn't remember when Hannah and Lauren showed up to wakeFest. Now listen to what he told the off duty police officer Ryan on the boat when they found Lauren's body.

Ryan Melanson: 04:45 So I said, How did he get here and he forgot. He told me that earlier and he's like, well, she brought us here, the girl, that's our friend in the water. She's the one that took all of us here. I'm like, so if you would have left earlier like you said would she just left you here? hes like well yeah and that is shitty of her isnt it and hes like well yeah anyway

Chris Stout: 05:08 came home Saturday came back to the dock Saturday. And then went back to the camp for a little bit and then we went down to the bar again and we're all hanging out down there. And then we, everybody was drinking and I lost everybody. So I went to, where a canoe was that we had to. Those are basically our taxi cab back and forth and uh, couldn't find nobody. I waited for a little bit and uh, so I ended up seeing a houseboat that we parked across from. They actually let us get a slip their slip and that's where I parked my boat. I was talking to them and I went on their porch, their front porch or whatever and I fell asleep and then I woke up to Aaron and then waking me up and then we all went to, uh, when got in the canoe, went back up to the islands and uh, we're all just up there hanging out,

Sheila Wysocki: 06:14 The houseboat that Chris passed out on, belong to a local family whose daughter and her fiance were there that weekend. Listen to what they were called about Chris that night

Houseboat PPL: 06:25 We met him earlier and them back at the fish lips that Matt Guy Short on that. now I know that was Chris But I managed for the real short on, right. That's what he was completely out of it asleep. He was like, he couldn't even walk, talk or anything. So he brought him back on our boat and let us stay. Like what? Because we had chairs front of our house boats and he sat in one of those and he fell asleep. I mean he was out of it, like he never woke up, never spoke. So he never anything Saturday night. And I stayed there for about an hour and we were there for awhile and then they said they did two trips because they had the one canoe to back over to the camp ground is that the guy had to come back and carry the Chris guy. back to the canoe to go back over to the camp ground

Chris Stout: 07:41 And uh, wasn't for very long But I was pretty drunk and that I remember, so we went and went to sleep or to Aaron and Hannah where in one hammock and then I was in the other hammock and Lauren came and laid down with me, but I don't even remember her falling or I fell asleep before her, like she laid down and as soon as she laid down I was out. And when I woke up Saturday morning she was gone. But we had a couple of different hammock. So I thought maybe she went into the side of the tent or to another hammock. And so I fell back asleep and woke back up again. And Hannah was like, where's Lauren? I was like, I don't know, I thought she was in there with you guys. And she was talking about her ex the night before.

Chris Stout: 08:36 And she was worked up, she wanted to go back and see him, but he didn't want to see her, so we were like, that's not a good idea, you know, you shouldn't do that. So like we were like, okay, well let's make an agreement if you just stay here tonight, then we'll take you to your ex in the morning because we didn't want to have to canoe all the way back and I woke up, she was gone. And so we all freaked out, you know, it's really weird. And we were like, well maybe somebody came and got her. Maybe her ex came and got her.

Sheila Wysocki: 09:06 Lauren's ex boyfriend Clint keeps coming up and their stories, but the stories never seem to match up. Listen to what Chris says about him in his deposition.

Lawyer: 09:19 A couple of questions about that statement and that statement. You said that Lauren told you that he was going, that she was going to go see her ex boyfriend?

Chris Stout: 09:29 Yes.

Lawyer: 09:30 Now your testimony a few minutes ago when you said that you didn't have any conversation with her when she got to the top of the campsite.

Chris Stout: 09:36 I wasn't talking personally, I know her and Hannah were talking about her ex boyfriend. There are some something that happened while I was away from the group and I mean I didn't put myself in the middle of it.

Lawyer: 09:47 What, how did you hear about that conversation?

Chris Stout: 09:49 I mean, there were just talking abroad about it

Lawyer: 09:52 were they're talking, when they're at the camps that were talking to earlier in the day,

Chris Stout: 09:54 um, from the bar to the campsite.

Lawyer: 09:59 Okay. And what did you recall hearing

Chris Stout: 10:02 I mean that Something about her ex, uh, and his new girlfriend and I don't know, I guess something went down between the two of them.

Lawyer: 10:13 So then to go down in between, the two of them are there at Wakefest

Chris stout: 10:16 Not that I know of. about her and Her ex boyfriend, not between her and him.

Lawyer: 10:20 That's correct. Did anything come and go? Anything that you know of happened between Lauren and her ex boyfriend at Wakefest?

Chris stout: 10:26 No, not that I know of.

Lawyer: 10:27 The conversation that she had with Hannah, did she say that anything had gone down between her and her ex boyfriend?

chris stout: 10:32 No. I don't know.

Lawyer: 10:35 So when you put this written statement to police and it says that she said she was going to go see her ex boyfriend, is that what you understood? She was wanting to do that night.

Chris Stout: 10:44 She said she wanted to. I don't know if she ever did. So I thought that was her intention.

Sheila Wysocki: 10:51 Now let's go back to the interview with Jeremy Taylor and hear what he says about clint to him.

Chris Stout: 10:58 And uh, then we went down to the boat dock that Sunday morning and we pulled the boat up to marina where the gas pump is right there. And we waited and waited, waited. And then we ended up. I ended up seeing her ex and he said that he had seen her later that night and she came back into the bar and I was trying to make out with them and trying to get with them. He said after we went up to the cliff is when he had seen her. So that's where we're like, okay, you know, she's somewhere and we went out uh, then around 4:00. So when they seen all the boats come up

Jeremy Taylor: 11:40 saying she went back after yall went to the cliff?

Chris Stout: 11:42 I have no idea. I fell asleep and I honestly don't know, like I met her Friday night, so, um, I don't know man, like, my honest opinion is she got to go to the bathroom or something and slipped because I mean, you guys seen the campsite it was, I mean, you had to watch where you stepped in. It was a little path and that, I mean, I've been trying to think about it and I don't know, like I literally don't know. Now , that I think about it probably wasn't the safest spot to camp, but people do it all the time. Like when they were saying these had seen a couple of people up there and Aaron did it two years ago. It was pretty cool for a campsite.

Jeremy Taylor: 12:31 I like the view, I'm not going to sleep on the side of a cliff.

Chris Stout: 12:37 there was a bucket list things man,

Sheila Wysocki: 12:40 Jeremy Taylor stated it was a nice view from the top of the cliff. Don't forget, he is also the one Chris Yarchuck witnessed taking selfies on top of the cliff when they went to take photos ofThe campsite.

Jeremy Taylor: 12:53 Were you intoxicated

Chris Stout: 12:57 Yes sir. I fell asleep on somebody houseboat and uh, and then got woke up, went and then uh, I mean I knew I could function, but I mean I had been drinking. That's pretty much it. That's when you guys came up on the boats and they talked to you.

Jeremy Taylor: 13:21 You talk to anybody else about this? I guess

Chris Stout: 13:24 I'll just talk to Aaron, but you know, we're good buddies too. And we talk all the time. So, I mean we're just kind of in each other. Updated on what's going on i know her funeral's tomorrow.

Jeremy Taylor: 13:35 Are y'all going to that?

Chris Stout: 13:36 Uh, yes sir. I'm going to try my best to get off work and go.

Sheila Wysocki: 13:42 Did he go to the funeral?

Lawyer: 13:45 You didn't go to Lauren's funeral, correct?

Chris Stout : 13:47 No.

Lawyer: 13:47 Okay. Why not?

Chris Stout: 13:49 Because Aaron told us her mom would not allow us.

Lawyer: 13:52 Do you know if that's true?

Chris stout: 13:54 No, I didn't know her.

Lawyer: 13:56 How did you, when did you have that conversation with Aaron?

Chris Stout: 13:58 Um, after the, after the event but

Lawyer: 14:02 before he, he spoke to Jeremy Taylor?

chris stout: 14:06 I don't think so. Yes.

Lawyer: 14:09 So there are at least a few times you spoke to Aaron between the time that you all left the lake and Jeremy Taylor showed up to talk to you.

Chris Stout: 14:17 I'm sure. I mean we're, we're friends so we talk all the time. But

Lawyer: 14:22 did you ever talk to Aaron about what to tell police?

Chris Stout: 14:25 No.

Lawyer: 14:25 Did he ever tell you things not to tell the police?

Chris Stout: 14:27 no.

Lawyer: 14:29 Did Hannah ever tell you what to tell the police?

Chris Stout: 14:31 No.

Lawyer: 14:31 Did they ever tell you what not to tell police?

Chris Stout: 14:32 No.

Lawyer: 14:34 Did you know Whether Jeremy Taylor and Aaron Lilly were friends?

Chris Stout: 14:36 No.

Lawyer: 14:37 Did Aaron ever tell you that he knew Jerry Taylor before this investigation?

Chris Stout: 14:42 No.

Lawyer: 14:43 Do you know that to be true now?

Chris Stout: 14:44 No.

Lawyer: 14:45 Okay. Do you recall telling the police that you worked for a job that required you to dispose of human body parts?

Chris Stout: 14:52 Yes.

Lawyer: 14:53 Okay. What job was that?

Chris Stout: 14:54 It was mid safe Hendersonville.

Lawyer: 14:56 Okay. And when did you have that job?

Chris Stout: 14:59 Back in 2011. And 2012

Sheila Wysocki: 15:06 oh, did you hear that? He said he worked for a company that disposes of human body parts only. He said he worked there in 2011 and 2012. But what he told Ryan on the boat the day Lauren's body was found was that he was currently working there. officer?: 15:26 What did he say?

Ryan Melanson: 15:28 the one with the white hat, that's not in the picture the other one that main suspect in my book, he divides up human body parts for a living. the hospital doctor's offices, when they do amputations and stuff they send it to a place he works at , he works at a grinding machines breakdown process solution kind of thing. And then I guess they get sent off to the dump.

Unknown speaker: 15:52 How do you know that?

Ryan Melanson: 15:52 He told me! I'm like so what do you do for living and that's what he does. (inaudible) Unknown speaker: 16:00 Did he tell you what the name of the company was?

Ryan Melanson: 16:01 Nope. He told me It's in a warehouse

Ryan Melanson: 16:03 he wouldn't say where he wouldn't say the name of the company was nothing

Ryan Melanson: 16:07 I dont know if he legally can or what. he did say something about it? People in the community knew what that warehouse was that he worked at. They'd be moving away. Sheila Wysocki: 16:18 Now Listen to a completely different story. He tells Jeremy Taylor about where he works,

Jeremy Taylor: 16:26 Where do you work?

Chris Stout: 16:26 I work for Kincaide moving company.

Jeremy Taylor: 16:30 How long have you worked for them?

Chris Stout: 16:30 about six months, make sure all this stuff is figured out It seems like I'm a suspect right now. You know, but I know you guys are just doing your job.

Jeremy Taylor: 16:42 Yeah, I mean I'll say that everybody was with her or has any contact with her is a suspect or anything. It doesn't matter what it is, even if it's an accidental. And I know it was a camera that showed what happened. You would still be a suspect. We rule it out thats what i done with talking with you.

Chris Stout: 17:09 Justice needs to be served for. I mean, if I, if I have a daughter and something happened, I'd do everything I possibly could to have everything established and know exactly what happened.

Jeremy Taylor: 17:19 That's what we're trying to do and it just takes a little time. There's a lot of people. It ain't just y'all three?

Chris Stout: 17:33 media got they are looking not so hot

Jeremy Taylor: 17:33 The media is going to take it. They're going to turn it into a murder. Firstly, before questions that are asked to do a murder. They're going to try to find something not right to make a story on and we're gonna flip whatever anybody says and turn it around on there that says the sheriff department said that or sheriff dept said that there's not one person at the sheriff's department has talked to the media.

Chris Stout: 17:57 it's not looking good. Like literally the only people who would know anything about it after we went up to the cliff is me, Hannah and Aaron and Hannah and Aaron were asleep and as soon as I sat down in the Hammock I was pretty much asleep. So like I remember her laying down too and then I was out like. And then I just woke up. She was gone. So I mean there's not much of a story to tell. There is a story to tell, but like it's just the media has it looking horrible and it's just not looking good in our favor ya know,

Jeremy Taylor: 18:38 We aren't saying yall did anything wrong. I think that you know, I told Aaron and Hannah both when somebody dies. There's nothing you can do about it. As long as you're not the one contributing to the death. theres nothing you can do People die every day and you can't stop death. You can't overcome death. It doesn't matter what you do, if it's your time it's your time. It's over.

Sheila Wysocki: 18:59 What Jeremy Taylor just said sounds awfully familiar to you. It's because it is. He said almost the exact same thing about it being your time when he was interviewing Aaron. You heard that in a previous episode. Now you'll hear some more inconsistencies in Chris's conversation between him and Jeremy Taylor and Ryan Melanson.

Jeremy Taylor: 19:27 So your parents, live up here?

Chris Stout: 19:30 yes sir my parents live in clarksville.

Jeremy Taylor: 19:30 where were you originally from?

Chris Stout: 19:42 Clarksville. yea.

Jeremy Taylor: 19:42 you just never wanna move back home?

Chris Stout: 19:42 no, That ship has sailed. I dont think I could live with my mom again

Ryan Melanson: 19:49 hes stressed to the max and wants to go home. He keeps saying you know, I gotta get Outta here. I got a long time back to Nashville and you know, I just got to go worse. I can get out of here. And I'm like, well no. He may have some information pertaining to the body in the water over here and he's like, well, you know what, I just met a girl last night. I don't even know who she is you know. It's really sad she's in the water and everything. I gotta go, Oh, you know, my mom doesn't even know now I'm out. He's 23, which was weird, Mom isn't going to care i dont't think at 23 years old but I kept throwing her out, snuck out. She doesn't even know he's gone and everything.

Sheila Wysocki: 20:24 I find it very interesting. The differences in Chris's stories when he's talking with Jeremy Taylor versus when he is speaking to Ryan Melanson. Chris seems to be confused on what exactly took place on the Sunday of Wakefest and the days after. It's odd to me some of the details he so easily forgotten, such as the one you're about to hear in his deposition.

Lawyer: 20:54 Okay. So by the time you spoke to law enforcement on the dock, where did you go after that?

Chris Stout: 20:59 Um, we packed up camp and then when I got my truck, got the boat out, you got everything and then went back to, went to the police department.

Lawyer: 21:10 And why did you go at that and tell you to meet there?

Chris Stout: 21:13 Um, that was to give all of our state or a give all of our statements or something or maybe a follow up. I don't. I don't really recall.

Lawyer: 21:20 Um, when you got back in your car, um, did he have your cell phone with you?

Chris Stout: 21:26 I believe so, yes. I did.

Lawyer: 21:29 And you able to charge it in your car?

Chris Stout: 21:30 Yes.

Lawyer: 21:32 You recalll You made six phone calls to the same number. Do you remember who you called? Who would you have called at that time? Who was the person who would call it something important happens in your life?

Chris Stout: 21:43 I couldn't tell you unless it was Aaron. Lawyer: 21:46 Did you talk to Aaron and when you were driving home that night?

Chris Stout: 21:49 I don't. Not that I recall.

Lawyer: 21:51 Did you talk to Aaron with while you were driving on the way to the police station?

Chris Stout: 21:55 No.

Lawyer: 21:56 Do you have any conversation with Aaron or Hannah between the time you all were at the dock with the police and the time he went to the police station C

hris Stout: 22:02 while we're packing up camp. But the police officers with us the whole time.

Lawyer: 22:06 Okay. Um, after you left camp, did you talk to Aaron or Hannah before you got to the police station?

Chris Stout: 22:14 Not really. I mean, we loaded the boat. That was it.

Lawyer: 22:17 Okay. When you loaded the boat, did you guys talk about Lauren's death?

Chris Stout : 22:20 No.

Lawyer: 22:21 You didn't talk about the fact that the person you had just been with had died.

Chris Stout: 22:25 I mean, I'm sure it was mentioned, but we didn't go over everything. Like we didn't go through the whole day. We just loaded the boat and we all agreed that it was crazy and it's a crazy situation.

Lawyer: 22:38 Did Hannah seem upset.

Chris Stout: 22:41 Everybody's upset.

Lawyer: 22:43 How did she know she was upset?

Chris Stout: 22:44 She was crying

Lawyer: 22:45 was anybody else crying.

Chris Stout: 22:46 She just lost her best friend.

Lawyer: 22:48 Was anybody else crying?

Chris Stout: 22:49 Not that I can recall.

Lawyer: 22:53 Do you recall this number six? One five. Just put in front of you. It's not exhibit. Make it easier for you. The phone number? Six one five.

Chris Stout: 23:03 Mm. No I don't. I don't recall it personally.

Lawyer: 23:09 I told you that you called that number six times as soon as you got back into your car. That refresh your recollection as to who you spoke to?

Chris Stout: 23:16 No, I just don't recognize the number. I mean I'm not denying calling them, but I just don't know that number. I always just put people's number in my phone and not

Lawyer: 23:24 now. Not knowing the number but knowing you got back in your car and called someone repeatedly. Do you remember who that is?

Chris Stout: 23:30 No. Lawyer: 23:30 ok.

Chris Stout: 23:30 unless it was, i dont know.

Lawyer: 23:34 unless what. .

Chris Stout: 23:39 That's what I'm saying, unless it was just like a girl I was talking to or something, but I don't recall.

Lawyer: 23:44 Who were you talking to ? what girl were you talking to at the time you went to wakefest?

Chris Stout: 23:47 I just. I don't recall. I didn't have a girlfriend but I don't know who I would call.

Lawyer: 23:54 Okay.

Sheila Wysocki: 23:55 Don't you think it's a little strange that he can't remember who he called six times after such an important moment in his life. I wonder who he called. Now that we've heard Chris Stout's side of the story. Let's hear from witnesses that saw him throughout the weekend and specifically on Sunday. This is Chris Yarchuck, the off duty White County police officer who you've heard from several times throughout this podcast so far. One of Chris' Yarchucks. Fantastic skillsets is his observation skills. Even with the thousands of people there, he easily noticed lauren and her friends. You saw Lauren, you said several times that night. Why did Lauren stand out and how did you first come upon her?

Chris Yarchuck: 24:50 I was making my rounds, so I'd walk around the outside of the fish lips and she saw me and just come running up and told me her name and I'm going to school and you know, in criminal justice and I want to be a cop and I want to be a lawyer and just going on and on about all kinds of stuff. Ask me a questions about being a police officer and if it's fun, what do you do? And obviously that's part of what I do. Private duty was how I came into contact with her. But

Sheila Wysocki: 25:18 tell me what you thought of her, what your initial impression was.

Chris Yarchuck: 25:22 um just life for the party. Just outgoing. She act like she didn't know a stranger, very bubbly, very personable, bright, excitable voice, just very intuitive.

Sheila Wysocki: 25:35 um not shy.

Chris Yarchuck: 25:37 No, no, not at all.

Sheila Wysocki: 25:40 So you see her and she is outside of fish lips and she's with Hannah and Aaron, is that correct?

Chris Yarchuck: 25:49 Yeah, they, um, there were three of them sitting in the plastic adirondack chairs. Um Aaron and Hannah. Then there was a little German shepherd, six month old dog with them and then Lauren, um, and I didn't even realize Christopher was with them until later on when he kept coming back over because I'd seen him throughout the night talking to at three different women sit in the window, sill his hand on one trying to dance with another and he's just roaming around the whole place. Just being a 20 whatever year old guy, I guess.

Sheila Wysocki: 26:22 Did you have any initial impression of them? Just they're young. Their. Did they stand out like Lauren did?

Chris Yarchuck: 26:29 um only Chris, did in my mind just because the fact that he, I saw him with multiple people, multiple women and just wandering around between different girls holding hands with this one, rubbing legs with that one, trying to dance with this other one. So to me that I was just kinda like, well, it's a small place. Everybody going to see what you're doing. I mean, you're not really doing yourself any favors. But I saw Chris and Hannah and Aaron and Lauren leave.

unknown speaker: 26:59 It was Chris!

Chris Yarchuck: 26:59 That was the four of them left together. That's who I met that night. The four of them, little surfer, blond boy Bieber, Chris and the four of them left together. Hannah asked me for a cigarette. Lauren asked for a cigarette. I'm not a smoker. Um, and at that point, that's when I noticed that Lauren, her behavior had changed from the consistent in her eyes that, well, I don't know if they've taken something. I don't know. They snuck in drinks, you know what I mean? Because I mean obviously there's so many people. And then I think I had six officers there at night and I'm always just walking around checking all their posts if they needed anything. He breaks lunches. Um, there's a lot to keep an eye on. So last time I saw her it was 2:00 and it was 14 and 15 hours later when I saw her in the water. Him and Christopher, both were in the canoe behind the houseboats in line of the body. So as soon as we went around the corner, they started screaming and paddling to me. That was number one, right? Right.

Sheila Wysocki: 28:05 This is Harry and Deanna Elder. They were working wakefest the weekend Lauren's body was found. You heard from Deanna in the last episode. Harry was one of the first ones on the scene after the fishermen reported Lauren's body

Harry: 28:24 traveling over there, you know, Aaron was in a canoe paddling over there and he says, you know, that could be one of our friends over there. And I think it's odd because we haven't publicly announced anything about a person in the water. Hasn't said anything on the radio. No one knew that there was anybody missing that there was anything going on.

Deanna: 28:55 That's one of the oddities of this to the police officers, they heard it on their special police radio that was in their ear and they came to me going, what's going on? And I went, whoa. Harry went to verify. We think we have a body, but we're not sure.

Sheila Wysocki: 29:12 We've heard from Ryan Melenson throughout this episode. Ryan went with Harry from the marina shop to the site where Lauren's body was. After the fishermen found her, when Chris and Aaron pulled up in their canoe, Ryan immediately brought them on the boat, questioned them, and found their behavior. Very strange.

Ryan Melanson: 29:36 While I'm sitting out there on the boat talking to these guys and we do something wrong, why are we still here? Can we go? No that's up to Dekalb county I'm just sitting. here babysitting ya. one kept asking for water because it his mouth was dry and his heart was pounding out of his chest. He was stressed and he kept saying, you know, I hope that's not her because you know, my, my friend's been worried sick and she was bawling her eyes out wandering where she's at. i'm like if She's so worried and stressed out. Why didn't you guys tell anybody? Why didn't you report it? You know, if she's missing why didnt, you say something like, okay, and the way this kid was talking, the one with the white hat, he was just a guilty man. I've been a police officer for a long time. This kid's guilty. They go up there and get her ID and meanwhile there's this other boy Aaron. He comes down to the boat from campsite. He's already up at the campsite. I know this is the one that looks more like a skate board. So he comes and gets on the boat and he's immediately, he's waiting. He's like, what are, what are we doing here? Are we being now? It's like, well, we've been detained. I'm like, no, you're just here. I said, I didn't tell you to get on the boat and this is their investigation. I don't know what's going on. So he sits down in the boat and he's like, is that our friend in the water? And I said, well, who's your friend? well I dont know we just met her last night? But it's my, my buddy's girlfriends friends. I'm like, okay, well I dont know we're still trying to figure all this out. We didn't do anything wrong. did we? I'm like, I don't know. Did you all these questions that I met? He's extremely stressed out. You're probably trained in ways to detect a liar. I'm sure these clients. Long story short is we're sitting here on this boat, this dude, and I've got a witness to this. The guy from the marina that's driving the boat that I'm on, he's sitting there watching this whole thing for this kid with the backwards cap on. That's my main suspect because he was just really weird and he keeps asking if he's in trouble. He wants to go home. I don't even know this girl. I just need to get out of here, you know, he keeps eye balling my gun and I was looking at him im like dude do you got some kind of problem. He's like, well, you know, honestly, I'm just thinking how I could get your gun and get off. This boat just blatantly tells me this and this guy is driving the boat from the marina can vouch for this. Okay. He just wants my gun. I'm like, are you serious? He kind of brushes it off as a joke and I'm like, you know, you go for my gun, you're going to wind up at a hospital. That's how it's going to end for you. It's not going to end well. He's like, Oh man, I'm just messing with you. for like over the next hour and a half. He says this about three or four times. So I started sliding down a little bit, you know, if he's sitting over here and he keeps, just as he's talking to, he keeps looking at the gun and he's just singing it, you know, I want to dig down what happened? You've been in a wreck because I wasn't a motorcycle accident. He's like, you hurt. And I'm like, yeah, I'm an easel. Messed up. He's like, so what do you use it? What do you do? I go forward just messing around. But he's really thinking, you know, you can tell with (inaudible) But um, anyway, so long story short sheriff's department give these two guys off the boat and interview them. They didn't ask me any questions, they just took these guys. And I went back to my main focus at the marina. There is something, I did forget to tell you, this is extremely important to these guys. said this girl stayed on a boat with a bunch of guys? They didn't know what houseboat didn't know who the guys were anything and that's the story. They were sticking to it while they were on the boat with me and this guy from the marina that was driving the boat. Well, when they got him back to investigators and separate them and started questioning one at a time, the kid with the white hat. Totally changed his story. He's like, oh, no autopsy. Okay. Now she did come up to the campsite and I did have sex with her, but then I don't know what happened to her. I went to bed. She was gone. That's the story. He said. One of the twra guys said that when they asked this kid why he changed his story about her being on a houseboat and then she was at the campsite and yeah he had sex with her that night. I didn't want anything to get pinned on me. Every time I have an encounter with law enforcement, then I go to jail.

Tim Evans: 34:14 Lauren's family give their permission and Olivia didn't open up the truth. Do you know anything at all call. One, eight, eight, eight, five, nine tips next time on without warning. Sherry Smith: 34:40 When was the last time you saw Lauren? Clint: 34:43 Last time I seen Lauren was whenever I was leaving that bar or whatever. I can't remember the name of it Sherry Smith: 34:54 fish lips.

Clint: 34:56 Yeah, fish lips that's it. Yeah. Whenever I was leaving there around, they closed at three and i remember them saying 30-45 minutes they were closing my group that I was with we all went it was about 215 or 230 anywhere that window we were leaving when she was talking to Evan. And that's the last. Um, time I've seen her

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Deanna Elders, the manager of the store at the marina, shares her story from the day Lauren's body was found. Hear about her encounters with Hannah Palmer, Aaron Lilly, and Chris Stout. Lauren's father and step-father sit down with Detective Jeremy Taylor and Sheriff Ray to get their questions answered on Lauren's death but leave the meeting feeling even more confused as to what happened.
 
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Kassi Franks is Aaron Lilly's ex-girlfriend and also happened to be at WakeFest that weekend. 

"Whether it was a drunken accident that someone, you know, hurt her and they didn't mean to hurt her, but they hurt her -- but I still don't think she fell off the cliff," said Kassi.

And then Kassi hits us with something we never saw coming: "I found the pictures of from when he hit me."

Kassi says she's never shown the pictures before. The photos show her bruised and battered, she claims, after Aaron beat her. 

In this episode you will hear new witnesses describe what they saw and heard on the cliff.

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A witness to Lauren's disappearance and death. Aaron Lilly was one of the campers on top of the cliff the weekend of Wakefest. He's just your typical adrenaline junky young male...or is he? Listeners will hear first hand from his ex-girlfriend on their toxic relationship and his erratic personality. Hear the live tape of his interview with DeKalb County Police Officer, Jeremy Taylor two days after Lauren's body was found. 

Dive deeper into the Lauren Agee case as stories start to unfold. Are her friends telling the truth or are they covering something up? Listeners will hear more in-depth interviews and introductions of all the players involved. Explore the statements of the friends that were with her and their actions after Lauren's body was found. Sheila also interviews the fisherman who found Lauren's body. Mixed and Mastered by Resonate Recordings.

What happened to Lauren Agee? Listeners will hear actual interviews to try and piece together exactly what happened the night of July 25, 2015. Hear from Chris Yarchuck, the off-duty White County Police Officer who was first on the scene. Interviews with the friends of Lauren at Wakefest that weekend will also be heard. Where were Lauren's friends at the time she went missing? Lauren's mom, Sherry Smith, will give you a glimpse of who Lauren was and who she was with the weekend of Wakefest. 

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What happened to Lauren Agee? Come alongside with Sheila Wysocki, a private investigator,  as she gives you a behind-the-scenes look of the Lauren Agee case.

Wakefest went from a memorable, family-fun weekend festival to a family's worst nightmare without any warning. 

The last day of a popular three-day wakeboarding event, a body was found floating in the water below a cliff on federal land. Was it a tragic accident or murder?

Come along with Private Investigator, Sheila Wysocki, as she takes you behind the scenes of the Lauren Agee case. You will have a front-row seat to the inner workings of an investigation. 

A friend missing in the morning, her clothes, shoes, phone, and purse left at the camp but she is nowhere to be found. None of the campers report her missing, instead, they spend a day at Wakefest, swimming, and drinking. Not until the police are headed toward a body in the water does anyone say anything?