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#2561 - LL Cool J
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Joe Rogan podcast,
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check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.
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Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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I promise
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you. I believe
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you.
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We're up. I got sneaker recommendations from LL Cool J. I'll, I'll, I'll take that. I was wearing these Pumas. I'm gonna throw them, oh, you said I'm gonna incinerate them?
Speaker 4
You'll, you'll throw them in the incinerator.
Speaker 5
Okay. I don't, I don't know if that's true, but I, I like these.
Speaker 4
Yeah, I, you have no reason to believe me yet. I, I'll give you that. You have no reason to believe me. But when you, when you try, you're gonna say, yo, your man was telling the truth. Okay. You see. You're gonna come back on and say that.
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All right.
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I promise you.
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I believe you. I'll, I'll give it a shot.
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I'll
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give it a shot. well, anyway, very nice to meet ya.
Speaker 4
Nice to meet you too. I, I
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met you a long fucking time ago. Very briefly, yeah. We were at this stupid NBC thing. It was very funny because you were making fun of it. It was some sick, you know, they, they do those things where they have all the new shows and everybody has to show up and it's like everyone sits down. I was at a table with you. Okay. And I was a nobody.
This was like 1994. I was like, oh shit, that's how cool it is. It was a weird, I was just getting, it was just still weird for me to be around famous people. And I remember you were like, what the fuck is this? You were making fun of the whole thing. And I was like, God, I wish I could do that. Like, this guy's making fun of this shit. Like, you didn't give a fuck about it all.
It was really funny.
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I mean, you could never take it too serious.
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No.
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You can, you know what I mean? Like, like, we're not. You know, we're not gonna take it too serious. You know, it is, life is good.
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Especially those kind of things where they sit down, they announce all the shows, and you have to clap. You know, they have all these,
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oh, you know, you know, I mean, you don't wanna have manners, but at the same time, I'm not gonna take it too serious. No, but you were
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making fun of it, and I was enjoying it. I was enjoying it. It's
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funny. It's funny. So this is like,
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this is the nineties. This is a long, long time ago. You've had a fucking insane career, man. I mean, when did you get signed? Weren't you like seventeen or some shit? Like, how old were you when you first got your first contract?
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So, Sixteen.
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Sixteen.
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Sixteen. We started Def Jam. Wow. Rick Rubin and Russell Simmons start, well, Rick started Def Jam, right, as a production company. Rick and Russell together formed Def Jam, the label, and I was the first act. The first song on Def Jam Productions was It's Yours by T. La Rock, and then from there, the label was formed, because that was Streetwise Party Time, and then from there, the label was formed, and, you know, the rest is history.
That's incredible. Ad-Rock from the Beastie Boys actually programmed the beat, Rick Rubin produced it, and,
I did the mic, and here we are.
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Most people who get that successful at sixteen have a very difficult time keeping their shit together, but you just manage to keep smiling and floating through this thing.
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Yeah, you know what, you know what, you know, yo, yo, man, you get, you get enough bites at the apple, yep, you know what I mean? Sixteen.
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Yeah, yeah,
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that was probably about seventeen, eighteen right there. Wow. I always could tell by my jewelry.
You know what I'm saying? You know?
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Wow. That was back in the boombox days. Yeah, it was
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the boombox, man. That was everything. That meant everything to me.
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Oh, everybody had those back then.
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Absolutely.
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People would carry them around, walking down the street with their own music.
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Absolutely.
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We're in a different world now. People don't understand what it was like back then.
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Yeah, because actually, in a weird way, even though the world is more public, music has become more private.
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Right.
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Right, right, right. The world was private, but music was public back then, right?
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Right, right, yeah.
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It's like an in-an inverted, you know what I mean? Yeah.
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Well, you, I mean, it's no exaggeration to say you're a pioneer, because hip-hop was so new back then.
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Yeah,
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yeah. It was so new. You had, like, Sugar Hill, which was in, like,
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Sugar Hill, Rapper's Delight was 79, but I got into hip-hop before that. Because I was listening to like, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Four before they were the five and the Treacherous Three and Moe and the Cold Crush and.
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What year was that? That's
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the seventies five, seventy six, seventy seven.
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Wow. You know,
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around that time, you know what I mean? And I was hearing the tapes cause they were circulating cause I was in Queens, you know what I mean? So the tapes were coming out of the Bronx and when I was in Long Island, see I was raised, I was born in Long Island and I was raised in Queens, but I also lived in North Babylon. And when I was in North Babylon next door, there was a lot of foster kids who were from uptown, who were from the Bronx and from, from Brooklyn, well, Bronx and, and Harlem and Brooklyn.
So I would hear all the tapes when hip hop was emerging. So I was like, you know, eight years old and I was getting exposed to like all of the, you know, the newest of the new at a really young age. So I got like indoctrinated and dipped in the. Baptized in the fire of hip hop early, you know what I mean?
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What a fortuitous time to be a kid too, like it's the perfect time cause it's all emerging around you.
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Yeah, it's like, it's like when Gladwell talks about, you know, you know, that moment, the tipping point, well, people being born in certain places, you know, when he talks about, you know, being in Seattle when computers were, when software exploded or, so I was in New York at that same time. It's very much in that same,
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that
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same thing, you know, you get sprinkled with a little dust, you know, the man upstairs, you know, get a little sprinkle, be in the right place, got the capability, you know?
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And the drive and the discipline, stick to it. Yeah. I mean, obviously you have that, you're still in great shape.
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You gotta be. Yeah. You still keep it
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together.
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I do, I do. I've been, You know, I've recently, started, doing jujitsu, which has been a lot of fun. Really? Yeah, yeah. Where you
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training?
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Brian Glick.
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Where's he at?
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He's in Brooklyn. Oh, okay. And, he trained under Donahair.
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Oh, great. Oh, phenomenal. Yeah,
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and, so. That's a great
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lineage. Yeah, he's, Kenzo Gracie, Donahair. Yeah,
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yeah, so he's, he's a lot of fun. He, actually, my man Scott, Scott Conn, you know, put me on to him. Oh, okay. Yeah, we've been working. So it's, it's very humbling. You know, you, you, you think you're, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly, that's Glick. That's Glick, that's my teacher. Nice. And so that's a lot of fun. That's,
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How long you been doing that now? Not
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long at all. And you find out that, you think you're a tough guy, but you're really a little old lady. You find out really quickly.
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It's so humbling. Yeah,
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you're, oh, oh, oh, oh, you're tough. Oh, you're tough. Exactly. You find out real quick. So I've, you know, cause, you know, when I was young, I did a, I enjoyed martial arts, like a little sado, karate, a little Wing Chun, a little Yiquan, like I, I liked the martial arts. So, but this one, this is, a completely different thing because,
you know.
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Yeah.
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It's just, you know.
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You feel helpless.
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There's no question about it. You are helpless. Yeah, you're helpless.
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And you don't think you are until you do it, and then your whole world shatters. You're like, oh no.
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Yeah, a guy puts you in a closed guard and say, get out. Get out. You're good, and you, you, you do everything but stand up, you know, when you first start. It's crazy. Yeah, so it was fun.
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It's a, it's a deep pool, too. There's a lot to learn. It keeps going forever and ever and ever.
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Yeah, yeah. But that's life.
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Yeah.
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That's what I like about life, you know, cause, you know, we want to maximize our potential, right?
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Well, I think it's really good for famous people to do something that doesn't depend at all on your personality or your status or your stature. I think it's good for your head, because it's, it's an undeniable thing. Like, you are either good at this or you are not good at this. There's, there's no charm, there's no charisma. You know what I'm saying?
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I'm really charismatic, let me go. Yeah, but that doesn't work. They love you the moment they
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see you, there's none of that. You can
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charisma your way out of an Americana or a Kimora.
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Because that's the opiate for celebrities, like this thing with everybody loves you and needing that. Well, see, here's the
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thing, here's the thing. I'm a celebrity by consequence, like, as a result of what I did. I'm not a, I'm not a guy who's celebrity. I'm an artist, yo. You know what I'm saying? I, I, you know, I'm famous by default because of the things that I do have made me known, but I don't walk in rooms feeling famous. Like, I, I'm an artist. Like, I'm not, I'm not in it for the, like, the, the fame thing.
I'm like, I'm way more blue collar. I'm not, like, remotely interested in, in, in hitting you with the famous with the long cigarette holder and the ascot and shit. Like, I'm like so not into that. Like, I'm like way different. Like, I'm not even remotely near that.
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Can you imagine? I can see Cat Williams,
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I can see Cat Williams with a cigarette holder.
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He can pull anything off. And he's gonna say some genius shit about it on top of that. So yeah, he can pull it off.
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With me
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walking in with a cigarette holder, what if you walked in here today and I had a cigarette holder? And when you, and when you said, hey, hey, hello, I went like this. You know, it just hits you with the.
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What is the purpose of the cigarette holder? But other than keeping the cigarette further from your face, is that
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what it is? You don't want the smell, the cigarette smell on the fingers, maybe.
The only person
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who pulled it off was Hunter S. Thompson. He had it and just somehow or another seemed ridiculous.
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Can we put a picture up of him? Cause I'm not familiar. Hunter S.
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Thompson, the writer, he's the one that they did that Johnny Depp movie, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Okay, okay. Based on one of his books. yeah,
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yeah, yeah. He
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used to have a cigarette holder.
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Yeah, but he's doing it a little bit more aggressively. I'm talking about that other one.
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Yeah. I'm
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talking about that other one. The long one. The long one, yeah. Black
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one with the silver ring. Yeah, yeah, you know, you know. Yeah.
I think he did it more. Man, Hunter's cool. Oh, he was cool as fuck.
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Yeah, he's cool. A
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complete total maniac. You know
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what I mean?
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Out of his mind on drugs, but wrote some of the most genius shit ever.
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I mean, you know, yeah, make it through, man. If you're going through hell, keep going, baby. Yeah. Make it through, come out the other side.
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Some people need something to get out of their own You know, and that's,
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yeah, it's called humility.
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Yeah. Yeah, that helps too. That perspective that you have is a great perspective, because like, that's the way to get through it. And young people should hear that too, is that like, just be an artist, and be famous as a consequence of what you've done.
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Exactly. Yeah. Exactly, as opposed to, because if you're arrogant, you can't learn anything.
And the most fulfilling thing of this whole thing is learning some stuff.
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Yeah.
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Like, that's what's fun.
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Right, right.
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What's not fun is just thinking about yourself all day. That's kind of boring, at least to me.
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Well, it's kind of crazy. It
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is. It really is.
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And the best way to not think about yourself all day is try to learn something difficult.
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100%. 100%.
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Yeah, like when you're doing jujitsu, the last thing you're thinking about is yourself. You're
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not thinking about anything.
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Yeah, you're just surviving. You're just thinking
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about surviving and hoping that he doesn't give you the.
You know what I mean? That's the
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worst when they cover your mouth. You know what I mean? It's so humiliating.
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You know?
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Yeah. That's cool that you're doing it, though. That's, it's very exciting.
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Yeah, so, you know, man, I like that, and I like reading, you know. Love the books, man.
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What kind of shit do you read? I
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read everything.
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Yeah?
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Yeah, I read everything from Karl von Clausewitz to...
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Who's that?
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He's a Austrian, general. Prussian general, actually. Prussian. Prussian general who, you know, talked about this concept called friction, and, he has this, Clausewitzian triangle where he talks about, like, you know, you have these three, these three areas that the pendulum swings over, like, Probability and chance, logic and reason, and, luck.
You know, no, probability and chance, logic and reason, and passion and enmity, hatred. So you can look at society right now, and you can take a Clausewitzian trinity and put it over society, and you know that we're operating in a place of emotions and passions. So logic and reasons wouldn't even make any, you know, wouldn't even mean anything.
So it's the trinity, you know, so it, it really helps you think about life, you know.
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Interesting. So the grand strategy is at the center of it all. Government, politics, reason, intelligence, the armed forces, calculation, chance, game of chance, odds, values. Fascinating.
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Yeah, yeah. So how did
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you get into this guy?
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I just read all kinds of stuff. I love literature, love history, love reading things that,
make me better. You know what I'm saying? And what you find out is the more you read The less you know, the more you know, the more you find out, the more you realize you don't know shit. And because of that, it becomes more exciting. So, and I wanted to navigate entertainment. It's like what you talked about, right? You know, you're, you're 16, 17, 18 years old.
Now, either you can get high all day, spend all your money and twist yourself out and go on a binge, or
you can figure out something else. You know what I'm saying? And so I just look. How did you
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know that at 16?
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Had a, my mother, my mother would show me like books of like drug addicts with like sores on their arms and say, hey Todd, this is, you know, this is what happens when you, you know, get out in that world. If you, you can ruin your career and ruin your life, this is what happens, you know? And that, and you know, that combined with her telling me, Todd, you know, girls don't like dummies.
You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? You know. Not like you trying to be like, you know, Mr. Scientist, like some pedantic super nerd. At the same time, though, you want to stay inquisitive, stay curious, you know what I mean?
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Well, women want a man who can navigate life.
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There's no question about that.
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Yeah, and intelligence is one of the best ways, one of the best tools to navigate life.
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Intelligence, health,
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and,
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That, that, that inner emotional strength, you need intestinal fortitude to go with the intelligence, right? Because if you have intelligence but no willpower,
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you still get
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banged out. Right. You just be a smart punk, you know what I mean? That gives up, you know what I mean? That gives up early, but you're smart. I know why I'm giving up, you know, that kind
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of. I know why I'm giving up, but I'm going to go to therapy and, and never get better.
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Yeah, I don't.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's the, that's one of the key elements of society today that's not embraced, is like discipline, discipline and drive, and understanding that you have to have the ability to persevere through difficult times, and that giving up, there's no, there's no virtue in being emotional and giving up. That's, it's the opposite.
It's bad for you. Everybody feels bad sometimes in your life, but giving up like that and celebrating that, and, and embracing it, you know, like, oh, he's in, he's in. He's in touch with his emotions. Is that what that is? No, no, no, he's in
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touch with his some shit that's gonna get him, get him, yeah, get him ran over. No, you got, you know what I mean? Like, yo, yo, you gotta, see, there's, empathy is not the same as what you're descri, because empathy, we need empathy. Yes. But empathy is not the same as. Weakness. Exactly. Yeah. And, you know, one spark can set a prairie on fire, so we gotta be, you know, we gotta manage our moods, and we gotta be able to do what we need to do, even when we don't feel like doing it, right? Because that's the language of success.
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Yeah.
Speaker 4
Right?
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That's a really important quote, one spark can set a prairie on fire, because how many people they spiral out from one bad thought they start pursuing. There
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you go.
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Yeah.
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You gotta get out of your own way, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, that's, that's super important, man. That's super important, you know what I mean? Like. It is. You know?
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Yeah. No talk. Yeah, I know it. No one teaches you that shit in school. Like you have to have wise people around you to show you that way, or you have to slowly figure it out on your own.
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Yeah, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta go through some drama, and you gotta be able to see the silver lining, and you gotta have, you gotta be able to finish the marathon. And
that requires your ability to, you, you know, get comfortable being uncomfortable. I know it's kind of a cliche, but it's true. You gotta be comfortable being uncomfortable, like you gotta be able to keep going and understand that there's a other, there's another side. Like I, I heard this guy, I don't know who he was, so I'm not trying to take credit for this, but this guy said, like if you're on a plane and, you know, one engine's on fire, if you're flying a plane, you keep flying.
And he said, if, what do you, or else what are you gonna do? I mean, yeah, you look to land, but you gotta keep going, you don't crash the plane. If, if two engines are on fire, what do you do? You keep flying until you can save the net. So in life, you don't give up just because one of your engines is not acting the way you want it to. Right.
You have to treat your life like you, you know, attitude determines your altitude, right? So you gotta...
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Well, everybody wants to be comfortable. That's the thing. Because we're so often uncomfortable that everyone seeks to be comfortable, and then once they're comfortable, they wanna hold onto it and only be comfortable.
Speaker 4
Right, and then they stop making progress.
Speaker 5
Exactly. They
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stop evolving. Exactly. And they become defensive. Yeah. You know what I mean? They just curl up and they become a hedgehog. They just go into a ball and don't try to do nothing in life.
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They also get very upset at ambitious people.
Speaker 4
Well, some can. Some people can. Some people can. Well, because it's a reminder, right? Like, I can understand how painful it might be for somebody who
is afraid to go for that next level, afraid to do that next thing, to see somebody else wholeheartedly committing. Yeah. But what you have to understand is that Like you have somebody say to you, I don't wanna, I don't, I don't wanna go back to school. You'd be like, why? I'm saying if they wanna do, oh, because it'll take three years. Well, three years from now is gonna be three years from now any goddamn way.
So just go back to school. So going back to what you were saying, it's like,
like the idea of, of making it, you just gotta be comfortable with the idea that people are gonna say what they're gonna say anyway, and you need to go after your dreams. Dreams don't have deadlines. That's the headline. Dreams don't have deadlines. You just gotta go after it. And, you know, you lose the battle, you can still win the war, right? With yourself.
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Yeah.
Speaker 4
Right? With yourself. Cause we're not looking for perfection. None of us are perfect. We all did some crazy shit. We're all crazy. Everybody's crazy. But at the same time, you could take it to the next level if you keep going.
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Speaker 5
Yeah, you
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know what I mean?
Speaker 5
Great advice. Yeah, it's real. And it's real from someone who's actually done it. You know, that's what's really important. People can hear that all day from a motivational speaker, but then you can say to that motivational speaker, what exactly have you done other than motivate people? A lot of them, the list is very small. But you know
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what's interesting about that? I hear people say that, but you know what my thinking is? Like if a homeless guy tells me don't do push-ups in traffic, I'm gonna listen.
You know? I think I mean, you get
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bad advice from people that are
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great,
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that are great, and then you get really good advice from idiots. Every now and then a moron will tell you something, you're like, oh shit.
Speaker 4
So I'm, I'm less inclined to concern myself with who the messenger is. I know it's relevant, but I listen to the message, because you have to contextualize the message in your life.
Speaker 5
Right. That's some Bruce Lee shit. That's like absorb what is useful. You know, you know
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what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Bruce was the man. Oh, he was the man. Bruce is why I got into acting.
Speaker 5
Really?
Speaker 4
Absolutely.
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How'd that happen?
Speaker 4
Because, I mean, he was the only dude with a tan that was like doing some cool shit on TV or in the movies. You know, he was low browny, you know. Oh, bro,
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all my Asian friends were so happy. All my Asian friends were like, finally, we have a fucking superhero. Oh,
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Bruce was the man.
Speaker 5
He was the man, dude. He was the man. He changed martial arts for the world. He used to be on
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Jamaica Avenue with the yellow and black Game of Death suit. Did you have those? Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely walking down the avenue with that shit. Bro,
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that Game of Death suit was the shit.
Speaker 4
Right? That yellow with the, you know, the black stripes with the
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joint. Yeah.
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That yellow Game of Death suit.
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I don't think people understand how revolutionary he was. All martial arts were all, they were all siloed. Like, if you did kung fu and your instructor caught you doing shotokan somewhere, they'd be upset with you. There was, it was very siloed, and Bruce Lee came along and said, no.
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Who was the first mixed martial artist?
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The first. You know what I mean? Because, I mean, he's doing, he's
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doing American boxing, Chinese boxing, kung fu. Salat. Yeah, some karate. Salat is crazy, too. Yeah.
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He did judo, did everything.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, and he put it all together, and that was heresy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, people wanted to kill him for that. Yeah,
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yeah, well, yeah. Well, that, that rumor still persists, right? Yeah, it
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does. Well, I think, I think that rumor has to do with the triad, with the Chinese mob, because they were financing his early movies.
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The Raymond Chow movies that he was doing? And then he
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left, and when he left them, there was a gigantic dispute. So when he went to Hollywood, there was a gigantic dispute. So I think that's what the, the real conspiracy. Theories. I don't know if they're true. He probably
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just had an aneurysm or whatever that was. It seems
Speaker 5
like something happened where he had a allergic react, was it an allergic reaction to medication or something like that? Yeah, cause
Speaker 4
they gave him some pills and he went to sleep. He was at someone's apartment, right?
Speaker 5
Well, I think it's also, he probably had some head injuries. You gotta realize, like, he's doing a lot of sparring. He's, you know, they're, they're, he's doing sparring with boxers, he's experimenting with stuff, he's doing crazy scenes in movies, he accidentally get hit. Who knows if he had a brain injury. Okay, cerebral edema, dangerous swelling of the brain, attributed by the coroner to a hypersensitivity reaction to ingredients in the prescription painkiller equagesic, equagesic, which he took for a headache.
A plaintiff headache given equagesic medication containing aspirin and me-- mepromate, meprobamate, meprobamate,
aspirin and
Speaker 4
meprobamate. He laid
Speaker 5
down the rest became unresponsive, cannot be revived after taken to the hospital. Autopsy found severe brain swelling and no external injuries. The brain swelling itself is well established in the historical record, but the precise trigger remains disputed. The official conclusion focused on drug hypersensitivity reaction. Later, writers and researchers have proposed other possibilities, including heat-related illness and hypo-- Well, they're testing us today with the word.
Speaker 4
Retrospective hypothesis? Hyponatremia. Hyponatremia.
Speaker 5
Dangerously low blood sodium associated with excess water intake. Huh. All right.
Speaker 4
Retrospective. Some hypotheses, I'm sorry. It's the plural of hypothesis. Retrospective hypotheses. No replacement of original official ruling. He was unbelievable, man.
Speaker 5
Well, he was, the, the Tao of Jeet Kune Do is the original book of mixed martial arts.
Speaker 4
No question. I love, I bought that book when it came out back then. Oh, yeah, I got a copy
Speaker 5
still.
Speaker 4
I love that book, right? It was soft. It was like a soft cover. You remember that?
Speaker 5
Yep. Soft cover, big, thick-ass book, illustrations
Speaker 4
inside.
Speaker 5
Yeah, man. And he took things from everything. He took things from, like, Western boxing and fainting and jabs, and he got from karate, the Japanese style. Ali, you watched Ali? Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 4
Ali's footwork, he was, you know, he was... He did
Speaker 5
some of that in the movies, too. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah,
Speaker 4
Bruce was a monster.
Speaker 5
But people today, they see that, you know, they see mixed martial arts, they see all these fighters on television, they see movies. It seems normal to them. They don't understand that back then, this was unprecedented. No one had ever done that before.
Speaker 4
Super.
Speaker 5
Yeah, and to be that skillful and do it, so he can move so fast that everybody's like, what the fuck? Lightning
Speaker 4
quick.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Lightning quick.
Speaker 5
Just changed it for the whole world, like karate schools just opened up all over the world. Crazy. It's changed everything. Now, what was crazy
Speaker 4
at that time, it was blurred, because, like, people didn't know the difference between karate and kung fu. Right. It was very blurred. Yeah. It was very blurred.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 5
You just got lucky wherever school you walked into. That's
Speaker 4
right. You know, you look, open
Speaker 5
the yellow pages under martial arts. That's
Speaker 4
right. I was up at the YMCA. It's sado karate. I'm like, sado, okay, I'm doing se-us. Walking this dojo, us. You know what I mean?
Speaker 5
A lot of those YMCA classes, yeah. They were good, though.
Speaker 4
Two knuckles, baby. Yeah, first two knuckles.
Speaker 5
Yeah, it's a crazy time cause like it just got introduced into the world and it took off. It's, I, I've, I'm fascinated by things that didn't exist and then all of a sudden burst onto the scene. Innovation. Yeah. Well, that's why hip hop to me is so fascinating, especially early hip hop because hip hop as an art form before the 1980s was non-existent in pop culture.
And then all of a sudden it was the dominant force five or six years later. Like people have to understand what it was like. Like when I was a kid and I was, when I was coming up, the first time I heard Sugar Hill Gang was I was in a lunchroom. I was in Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts. And at the time it was a bad neighborhood. Now it's been kind of gentrified.
And at the time it was like there was kids that were 17 years old and they were still in the eighth grade. It was crazy.
Speaker 4
That's, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's that. 17 years old in the eighth grade is some nasty work. Yeah, it was like that. Like no bullshit. There was kids
Speaker 5
that should have been graduated from high school and they hadn't even got out of middle school yet. It was just a lot of like. Wells and people that just came from bad homes and bad neighborhoods, but it was the first time I had ever heard that. I remember thinking, this is like a different kind of music. Like this is-
Speaker 4
Yeah, because, because, you know, you live in a neighborhood and you feel invisible.
Speaker 5
Yes.
Speaker 4
You know, and, and I think a lot of people can relate to that now. You live in a neighborhood, you feel invisible. Your friends get killed, nobody cares. The news doesn't talk about, you know, they may talk about some major thing, but when your friend down the block gets killed, nobody cares. Right. You walk down, you got this diddy bop that you're walking with like this, and people think you're walking to be cool, but you're really walking cause you like, it's like being in the jungle, and you're like a lion, and you're like walking around trying to stay low, and you're watching your environment and your back, right? I used to have a thing in high school, you do one,
two, three behind you, one, two, three behind you, the whole time down the hallway.
Speaker 5
Wow.
Speaker 4
You know what I mean? So hip hop was the first time that I heard young kids like me sound empowered. And, you know, instead of, you know, cause all you saw at that time on the, if you saw a black kid on the news, all you saw was a guy in handcuffs being put into a police car. That was basically it.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
That and Bruce Lee. Yeah.
Speaker 5
You know what I mean? So
Speaker 4
it was like, hip hop is the first time I heard people sound powerful, sound empowered. You know, it wasn't like the Grey Poupon fancy, I have a lot of money thing that it is today. When we talked about the money and we, that was aspirational, that's what we wanted. Like, you're, you're coming from nothing, right? You're coming from the grime and the dirt and you're like rapping about what it could be.
So you are, you're, you're extra macho and you're extra, extra bravado and extra, because You're an underdog, you know? It, it, it, it became that to like, you know, now it's like, you know, you're on Mount Olympus spitting on, you know, the peasants. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? But back, you know, yeah, it was the opposite.
It was the opposite.
Speaker 5
One of my favorite hip hop videos of all time is Biggie when he was 17 on the street corner.
Speaker 4
Oh, when he was rhyming.
Speaker 5
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 5
He's, he's a nobody and he's the shit at the same time. Yeah. He's the shit at the same time. And everybody around him's going, oh. Yeah. He's hitting these lines and his flow was already spectacular. That's right. Because,
Speaker 4
because you're, you're basically. You're saying with every, you're, you're like, it's like a different version of Cyrano, but you're doing it for, for people, it's not about romance necessarily, it's not for this particular girl, you're doing it, you're speaking, you become a spokesman for the emotions, the angst, the pain, the desires, the wishes of the people that are like you.
And I'm not talking about just ethnicity, I'm talking about culturally, people that are like you, that come from the energy and the type of places that you come from. So you speak for them. You know what I mean? So when I would walk in, like when I got the big gold chains on, the big gold chains aren't to say the, the big gold chains are to show people I have something at that time.
It meant, yo, not only do I have something, but I'm tough enough to be able to wear this. See, jewelry back then was, was a message, you know, anywhere, any neighborhood. It was, I can wear this in this neighborhood.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
That's very different from it becoming like, you know. Cigarette holders and I got the jury on and it's like a goddamn like everybody's Liberace, you know, no disrespect. You know what I'm saying? It becomes, you know, you know, no disrespect, you know what I mean? You
Speaker 5
know what I'm
Speaker 4
saying? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5
No, it's, that's what's interesting is like that's the first music genre where like open displays of wealth became like standard.
Speaker 4
Right, but here's the thing, here's the thing, remember, it wasn't an open display of wealth because it wasn't at the wealth level. It wasn't, that wasn't even the mindset. It was, I, it was, it could be as simple as I have fifty grand in my dresser drawer, I got a gold chain, I got a nice car. And I'm doing better now, but I couldn't eat six months ago.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
And look what I did. That's very different from, you know, look at my portfolio. Right, right, right. And my open ostentatious display of this incredible, you understand what I'm saying? I'm a doctor. Yeah, the mindset is different, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because remember, we were taking cues from hustlers too. Like, we gotta be honest about that.
Like, we were looking at the different hustlers, we were looking at the supreme team, and we were looking at, you know, AZ and Rich and Apple, the guys uptown, we were looking at different people, and all of that was affecting us too. So it wasn't so much about like, na na na na na, to society, it was more like, I did this in spite of. Right.
Like, you gotta think about it. Yeah. Like, if you're, it's like monopoly, right? Like somebody I was talking to the other day, like, we play monopoly, and I start off, and I got all the paper, and you got hardly nothing. And I get sixty per, seventy percent of the property, and then I say, okay, now let's play. If you can go around that board and come up, you're gonna fucking feel good about yourself.
You might throw a chain on or something. You might smile a little bit during that game after a while. And so you gotta think about it from that mindset. Now we've lapped, people have lapped the, you know, the game so many times that it's not perceived the same way. But at that time, it wasn't about showing off. The car was about, yo, I really did this.
Speaker 5
Like,
Speaker 4
I got, I have something. Because having something is a major accomplishment. When you got nothing, I don't care if you're in a trailer park, you're in the inner city, you're in the hood, wherever you're at. When you are able to accomplish something, that's a hell of a feeling.
Speaker 5
Yes.
Speaker 4
Right? That's, and so it wasn't about like, so the idea of financial, fiscal responsibility and wealth, nobody's thinking about that shit. I want a Benz.
I wanna bench, bro. Yo, I just wanna, I wanna bench. I remember sitting with the accountant and I'm like, yo, he's like, yeah, we're gonna do it. I wanna bench. He's like, hurry up, we gotta take care of this. I wanna bench. You know? And it's like, so we, you know, like I never lost the, yeah, you do stuff with money and all that, but I never lost the mindset of,
you know, where you really from. Like, people, yo, it's easy to forget. I mean, look, you're the, you're like one of the most read people I know because I watch, you know, the stuff and everything. You could, it's, you could be in a bubble and forget. If you didn't get in that gym and you didn't roll around on that mat and you didn't get reminders of human, you could forget.
In the life, this world that we live in.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
It's easy to forget, so I, I kinda. You know, I just keep that in, yeah, keep that in mind. You, you, you, you said what?
Speaker 5
It's comforting to forget. Yeah. It's easy to fall into a band of yes men and be insulated, especially in Hollywood.
Speaker 4
A hundred percent, but then you're not relatable and then you can't learn and you can't handle it. Well, you also
Speaker 5
go crazy.
Speaker 4
Oh, without a doubt. That's, that's the problem. Might be Howard Hughes, no disrespect. No disrespect. You know what I mean? You'd be in the, in the room till the seventies.
Speaker 5
Yeah, yeah. With
Speaker 4
all the paper and tissue around you. Well, it's
Speaker 5
kind of Howard Stern now. He like, he hides in the Hamptons now.
Speaker 4
That's, that's rough.
Speaker 5
He didn't do his pod, his radio show rather, from his studio for a long time. He did it all remotely.
Speaker 4
Yeah, you, you know. People
Speaker 5
start getting weird with germs. They start worrying about getting sick.
Speaker 4
Yeah, that's, yeah, that's strange.
Speaker 5
Start washing their hands all day long. Well, I mean. It's okay. I wash my,
Speaker 4
I get a little hippo cleanse off, wash my hands off, I wash my hands, you know, make it, you know. But I think
Speaker 5
with, you know, no disrespect to Howard, cause I'm a giant fan of his, and, you know, I think he's the pioneer of all this stuff. But I think you can only get. Well, I mean, he's
Speaker 4
named after an African-American university, so that's the cool, no, I'm kidding. Go ahead, Joe. I'm kidding, Joe. But
Speaker 5
he was, he, that's part of his lore, is that he grew up in an all-black neighborhood. It really is. but he, he got, he got so famous. He got so famous, so big, and so huge, and so much money, and I think there's a real, potential to be isolated when that happens. And then people get mad at you. I do too.
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Speaker 4
Like I, I did a show quite a few times, you know, he was always cool to me, he really was. And he gave me love, like, in the early years when I first started, I gotta be honest, he, he embraced me. He gave me, you know, he kinda like let me come on the show and let me, you know what I'm saying? And that, that to me, you know, I'm not saying that what you're saying is like,
Speaker 5
there's nothing wrong with what you're saying. No, I don't think you are. I think he's a legend, and I think if it wasn't for him to be on podcasts, you could become isolated. It's, and it's also, it's very hard to even be hanging out with people when you're that famous. It just gets weird for some people, unless you force yourself to just, do uncomfortable things all the time.
Speaker 4
You know what?
Speaker 5
And in public.
Speaker 4
Well, success, success likes, likes you to be outside, right? It's, it's kinda hard to find success when you're not networking. You could do certain things, but I heard a guy say the other day, you know, you put a painting on your garage wall. And whether even if the doors open, it's kinda hard to get people excited, you know what I mean, as opposed to putting it in the gallery.
So you have to interact, but you know me, like I'm an introvert, even though I do all this stuff. Are you really? Yeah, you would think I, but when I go home, I gotta read, I gotta relax, I gotta recharge, like I can't, you know what I mean? I can't, I don't like being surrounded by a thousand people, but I have a different reason for it, cause I just learned that it brings problems.
Because you can't manage everybody's behavior.
Speaker 5
Right. Right. So,
Speaker 4
and then when the problem happens, then it's LL.
Speaker 5
Right, right. You see what I mean? One of LL's friends, yeah. Right. Part of LL's crew. You
Speaker 4
see? Yeah. So you gotta, so, so it's kinda,
yeah. Today in the news. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 5
especially when you're on a cop show.
Speaker 4
Well, you know what, in gen, no, that's funny. Yeah, that's really funny. You know, I didn't even really think, yo, that's pretty funny, bro. You know? That's pretty funny.
Speaker 5
Bro, I think about it all the time with, with Ice-T. Cause I was a giant Ice-T fan, still am, but giant Ice-T fan growing up, and he had that song, Cop Killer. Remember? He had that song, with, Bo-Body Count. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. But a
Speaker 4
man that can conquer himself is greater than a man who can conquer a city, right? So. Right,
Speaker 5
there you go. But it's just funny.
Speaker 4
No, it is, it is. But you know what? You know, like Ice says.
He hustling.
Speaker 5
Yeah, of course. Always.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 5
I mean, he was in Pimps Up, Hoes Down. Remember that?
Speaker 4
Without a doubt.
Speaker 5
Without
Speaker 4
a doubt. Talking
Speaker 5
about the pregame. Green is for the money, gold
Speaker 4
is for the honey. This is crazy. I love him. Magic wand. Absolutely. Yes. Absolutely. And Mr. White folks.
Speaker 5
I just call
Speaker 4
Mr. White folks bananas. Bananas. Yo, yo. This is
Speaker 5
hilarious. Yo. Well, yeah. So like, yeah, Ice-T's been hustling since the very beginning. He's another, another pioneer. Without a doubt. It, but what, what I want people to really understand is kids today, they don't understand because hip hop is just a part of their life. It's a part of music. It emerged, and it emerged so quickly from, you go from Sugarhill Gang, which was eighty, what was it? That was seventy nine.
Seventy nine. The, the
Speaker 4
rapper's delight was seventy nine.
Speaker 5
And then you got like NWA, and it happens very quickly.
Speaker 4
Hundred percent.
Speaker 5
It happens very quickly. You're public enemy. It happens very quickly. And all of a sudden you have fight the power, and you're like, whoa, what is this? Hundred percent. You know what's funny
Speaker 4
about the public enemy, I'll tell you a quick little insight. Their, their logo is actually my friend, E Love. My, they, Chuck D from public enemy took a picture of my man standing next to me on stage and put him in silhouette.
Speaker 5
Really?
Speaker 4
Yeah, so when you look at the public enemy logo, that's actually my man, E Love. that, that, That created, yeah, that's my man E Love right there behind that. And you probably, if you actually, you could probably Google E Love, Public Enemy, LL Cool J, you know, and, and you'll find out that like, you know, see? See, rest in peace, E Love, A K A the, the Public Enemy logo.
And see, that's my man E Love, see us down there? See, that's us. Yeah. So that's E, but he just had, happened to be standing, see the hat? He just happened to be standing in a different pose. But that's what, yeah, he's the logo. May he rest in peace. That was my man. That was my man. He's a good dude. That was my man. He passed away. But he was like, when we did Crush Groove and all that, and we did the first hip hop, one of the, it was a early hip hop, it wasn't first, one of the early hip hop movies, he was standing next to me with the box, him and my man Cut Creator, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to my man Philpot, Cut Creator.
Speaker 5
Wow. And then Run DMC, of course. Run DMC,
Speaker 4
you know, those are my friends, you know what I'm saying? Run and Joe, you know, J M J, rest in peace. You know, they, they took me on tour. You know, they took me on tour around the world. We went all over the place, you know what I'm saying? It was bananas.
Speaker 5
It's, it's just bananas, like, to, for, for people to really get it in their mind what a change that was in music. And how this emergent power and style just took over pop culture, where kids were dressing like them, like everybody wanted to be like them. Look at Dick Clark. I did Dick
Speaker 4
Clark in '85.
Speaker 5
Oh shit, look at Dick. Yeah, I did Dick Clark.
Speaker 4
It's so funny. Oh, that's awesome. That's crazy, right?
Speaker 5
That's crazy.
Speaker 4
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5
That's crazy. That
Speaker 4
was, yo, that was like, it was like an unbelievable experience, you know what I'm saying? Like, I would go to London and, you know. You know, be like looking for fast food, like, you know, just please. Like, I didn't understand Yorkshire pudding, now you don't understand none of that. How old
Speaker 5
were you? When
Speaker 4
I went to London, maybe 17.
Speaker 5
Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 4
we went right away.
Speaker 5
Wow. Right away.
Speaker 4
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 5
Wow. Oh, yeah. What was the reception like over there? It was
Speaker 4
incredible. It was incredible at first. Now, at one point, I'll be honest with you, when I put the love song out, I got booed. Not booed, but like people were mad. Yeah, because guys were upset that I was willing to be that vulnerable. Oh, no. I like the chicks, though. I like the chicks, though, baby. I was like, I like the girl. I'm like, yo, I need that.
I got to do this. You know what I'm saying? But, no, they gave me a lot of love. You know, we used to tour all over the place. That's
Speaker 5
funny that that song.
Speaker 4
That song, it was huge, but then there was a little, you know, there was a little corner. Well, the
Speaker 5
problem is the other stuff was so hard.
Speaker 4
Right. Your other stuff
Speaker 5
was so hard. But that's more
Speaker 4
real life, isn't it? Right. But isn't that more real? No, it's
Speaker 5
balance.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 5
Yeah, it's balance. There's nothing wrong with having both.
Speaker 4
I mean, you know, you go home, you get what you got. I mean, you are, you do got a couple of personalities, don't you? Like, I mean, we all do, right? You
Speaker 5
should.
Speaker 4
So my art reflected the real. Like, I'm just keeping it a hundred. Right, right. Like, you guys want to keep it fifty and call it a hundred. You know what I'm saying? They just
Speaker 5
didn't want to expose that part of themselves. Meanwhile, they probably like that song when they're alone.
Speaker 4
In their room, staring at the wall, no question. No question. No question.
Speaker 5
Wow. So, was hip hop taking off over there as well with like artists, where new artists were emerging in England? Yes,
Speaker 4
yes. It was, well, at that time, there wasn't as many, but they got into hip hop very early. The whole world, like, there's a whole lineage of artists that are pioneers around the world that contributed to hip hop in their own countries. I can't name them all, but like in France, we had MC Solar, but there was people before him. Like, you know, there's different, my man Spatz in Germany, there was people before him, obviously.
I always get the name wrong, but it starts with an N and a number. I just can't remember. but, yeah, I mean, hip hop, like, I would go to Japan, you know, and they'd be singing the words to the song verbatim and then can't speak English, but they'd rap the song.
Speaker 5
Wow.
Speaker 4
Yes. Crazy. It's amazing. But it made me respect cultures all over the world, though. It made me, it gave me a different kind of mindset for people around the world, you know what I'm saying? How I view things. Cause you can be real myopic. I mean, when I first started going out of land, it'd be like, yo, take me to the black neighborhood.
Let me just see what it looks like. I'm like, what do you mean? We're in Japan.
You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, it's like, so just take me where it's hip hop-ish. And then you start getting exposed and you see kids that love graffiti and they love the arts and they love hip hop. And you come to find a newfound respect. Like, I did a record in Germany with my man and he, in Spats, I think I'm saying his name right.
I mean, he's rapping in German, I'm rapping in English. People in America don't know about the song, but it was like a thing I did over there. You know, you just get into a whole world, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5
Yeah. Well, I love, Brazilian hip hop cause I can't speak Portuguese. I just like listening to the sounds, you know? You know what's
Speaker 4
funny? I, I think the be- to me, the language that sounds like most impressive to me, I mean, outside of English, I would say is French.
Speaker 5
French. French sounds incredible. French hip hop sounds incredible. Yo,
Speaker 4
French hip hop is dope. Yeah,
Speaker 5
yeah, yeah, yeah. French hip
Speaker 4
hop is dope.
Speaker 5
Yeah, it is. Yo,
Speaker 4
French hip hop is dope, for real. You know what I'm saying? I like, I like Brazilian, Portuguese, you know what I'm saying? But French is a, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5
Yeah. You
Speaker 4
know? I love the, I love the music of the whole world, though, you know what I'm saying? For different reasons. You know what I mean?
Speaker 5
France is fascinating to me. You know, you know, it's a, a hyper point of mixed martial arts now.
Speaker 4
Yeah. A
Speaker 5
lot of elite fighters are coming out of France, including the heavyweight champion of the world, Cyril Ghosn. He's from France. Yeah, Cyril. Cedric Doumbé is this dude who fights in the PFL, who's like one of the best kickboxers alive. Yeah. He's fucking people up in MMA now. Yeah.
Speaker 4
I know Cyril was,
Speaker 5
Cyril, I mean, he's
Speaker 4
a monster.
Speaker 5
He's a freak. He, he has changed my thoughts on bases, like for sports to entry. Well, he's a Muay Thai fighter, but here's the point. He played basketball.
Speaker 4
That's interesting.
Speaker 5
This is why. I think basketball is a huge factor for big athletes in particular. If you can play good at basketball, the thing about being good at basketball is you have to be able to change direction constantly. You have to be able, yes, your, tennis would be a good one, but it's not constant. It's ba-bum, ba-bum, ba-bum, ba-bum. Basketball, you're constantly engaging.
There's a ball and people. And it's all about juking and movement, and it's all about misdirection. That's huge with striking. I mean, you can get a guy as big as Cyril Gantz, so he's 248 pounds, but moves like a cat. And I think a big part of that is he spent so much time, it's like plyometrics. Like you're doing constant plyometrics when you're doing basketball.
Plus, hand-eye coordination, because you have a ball, and you're moving the ball wide and back and forth, which is very similar to punching. Footwork. Yes.
Speaker 4
Footwork is hugely important.
Speaker 5
Footwork in conjunction with the movement of your hands. And
Speaker 4
distance management. And
Speaker 5
he can play, man. Yeah. And he can dunk. Yeah, I saw that. I saw, yeah,
Speaker 4
I saw this clip before. Yeah, that boy, and he's really playing. Yes, he's really good.
Speaker 5
I think there's something legitimate to that as a base, because you're constantly, like soccer's another one. Soccer's a tremendous base for MMA, because those guys have great cardio, and their legs, they can constantly move back and forth, and like they don't get tired.
Speaker 4
That makes sense.
Speaker 5
It's a huge factor. That makes sense. If you can. Get that kind of movement, most people don't have that kind of movement, like an elite basketball player movement. And if you're a guy who's like plotting and like, you know, heavy footed, and you're like moving forward, and there's a guy that's just like light on his toes, moving, and you can't hit him.
He's nowhere to be found. That's a big factor.
Speaker 4
Yeah, I agree. And if you combine that with, you know,
mindset, Animal mindset and intellect, now you're really playing at a different level, right? If you can get, you can do one, so they do two, so you can grab the three, you know what I mean? If you can really, you know, if you're really thinking that way, now you're at a whole nother level, cause that makes the difference, too. It's the, it's the mindset and the intellect, like when you look at Floyd, like, you know, yo, the intellect, the traps he's setting, you know, the process, the standing in front of you, the giving you something just to take it away and catch you, you know, like those little things, that matters.
Speaker 5
And you can't hit him and he's right in front of you. That's right. He's not moving around and he's not constant with footwork like Ali was in his prime. No, he's right in front of you, showing you. Yeah, just giving you a little something. You can't do shit. Just
Speaker 4
giving you, just, just, cause you're telling on yourself. Yeah. He's looking at your hips, he's looking at your elbow, you know, you're telling on yourself. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Speaker 5
Easily the most elusive guy who stood right in front of people.
Speaker 4
Him, Sweepy.
Speaker 5
Sweepy. But Sweepy would move too. He would stand right in front of you, but he would also move. But he would be moving backwards and getting
Speaker 4
out of there. He was, he was incredible with that. There's also this Italian, there's this Italian boxer. You gotta look it up. He's like a,
I, I think he's like Floyd before Floyd. Even before Floyd's pops. Look for the E-E-E-Ennio, look for, like, no, no, actually he's Argent, he's Italian, but he was in Argentina, but he's Italian. And he's a, he's one of the most incredible elusive fighters I've ever seen in my life. What year was this? This is, I wanna, 40s, 50s, 60s, like look Italian, yeah, you got him? Watch, watch this.
Speaker 5
What's his name?
Speaker 4
Nicolino, Nicolino, yeah.
Speaker 5
Nicolino Lucci. Watch, watch
Speaker 4
Nicolino. Watch, watch Nicolino. Watch, watch. No, this ain't him. That's, that's not him. Yeah, no, you gotta, but fi, yeah, here he is. Yeah, now watch, watch him, watch him, watch him, watch him. Watch. Oh, they're, they're comparing him. Like, get him, find him. Look at it, look at it, look at it, look at this, look at this. Look at this.
Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Just look at this shit. This is, this is, this, this is cra, you know, you can't, like, like, I mean, he's unbelievable. And this is like a bad fight cause I'm looking at his eye and it looked like he didn't, you know, but I mean, when you really watch him, unbelievable. When you get him on the ropes, you find him on the ropes.
I mean, this guy is just unbelievable. Nicolino Lucci, what's his last name?
Loce, Lu, Lu, Lucci, I'm not sure. Lucci. Yo, he is just, I mean, his, like when you get, like you can't hit him. Like, that's old Floyd. You see it? You see it, right?
Speaker 5
And this is early. Yo, this is crazy. There wasn't a lot of guys like this back then. Look at this, look at
Speaker 4
this, look, watch this. Look at this. Come on, baby. Have you
Speaker 5
ever seen Willie Pep? Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 4
Absolutely. Willie
Speaker 5
Pep's another one. He won an entire round without throwing a punch.
Speaker 4
Yeah, he was unbelievable. Yeah. Willie Pep, come on. You know, my, my, my uncle was John, John Henry Lewis. He was a light heavyweight champion.
Speaker 5
Really?
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah. That was your uncle? Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah, my grand uncle. My, you know, my mother's uncle. So
Speaker 5
you've been a boxing fan since you were really young.
Speaker 4
Actually, here's the crazy thing. I didn't even know that I had all of these boxers in my family till I did my DNA research with Henry Louis Gate on Finding Your Roots, and they did this whole thing and came to find out all of these people in my lineage for real. Like this is my, cause my mother was adopted. That's why, that's why I didn't know.
And then I came to find out, yo, my uncle, all in, like, he's in the hall of fame.
Speaker 5
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4
He, he was, he was good. John Henry Lewis. Yeah. Pull him up, pull up John Henry Lewis. It's my, yeah, him. That's my uncle.
Speaker 5
You know
Speaker 4
what I'm saying? He was unbelievable. He was unbelievable. He was incredible. He was incredible. I mean, you know, he went up to, he was light heavyweight. He went up to heavyweight, got knocked out by Joe Lewis really quickly, but he was a, a unbelievable fighter, you know? He was a, yeah, yeah, he was, he was powerful.
Speaker 5
That's awesome.
Speaker 4
That's crazy, right? So, you, you know, so the fight game, I love the fight game. I love it, man. Like I, I, you know, sometimes I tell them I miss my kid's wedding to see a good boxing match.
Honey, I'm sorry. I know you're out. I'll walk you down the aisle in an hour. Yo. Well,
Speaker 5
there's something very definitive about it. It's like everybody understands what's going on. Like you can, you don't have to be a fan of boxing to understand what boxing's going, what hap, what's happening. You, you can't. Combat sports in general. Yeah, you're watching two people's souls get exposed. That's
Speaker 4
what I was about to say. Yeah. Because it's a soul test.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Because when you're in the fire, now it's about your soul. Yeah. Right? Because you know what you're dealing with.
Speaker 5
Yeah. You
Speaker 4
know, because there, there's a saying, you can look in a man's eyes and tell his rank.
You can see a person's rank in their eyes. You know what I mean? And I'm not talking about the arrogant, I'm my rank, I'm talking about their rank. Their skill level. Yeah, their, who they are.
Speaker 5
Right. Who
Speaker 4
they are. It might not even be their skill level, but who they are, because your skill level can fluctuate, it can evolve, it can change, but you know what you're dealing with. Right, right, right. Like if you get a pit bull puppy, or if you get a, you know, you know, a Ra, Rhodesian Ridgeback.
You know, or razorback, is it razorback or ridgeback? Ridgeback, yeah. You get one of the, like, you can look in a puppy's eyes, you know what you're dealing with. It reminds me of that movie. Remember the samurai movie when he gave him the sword or the ball? And he said, pick one.
Speaker 5
What movie was that?
Speaker 4
It was, it was the one where the guy was, he was traveling around and his wife was killed and then, they said, nah, this is real shit. And he said, he put the sword in front of his son and he put a ball in front of his baby son. He said, if you pick the ball, shogun assassin, that's what it is. 1980. Yeah, you choose the sword or the ball.
If the kid chose the ball, he was gonna kill him. Let
Speaker 5
me see that scene.
Speaker 4
That's not the actual scene, but it's a great scene. It's a great scene, because he found out what was inside of his son.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5
Wow. That's heavy.
Speaker 4
I love it, man.
Speaker 5
Well, that's the thing that trainers have to deal with. There's certain people that as you're training them, you realize that they just don't have it. There's something about them. They don't, they don't have, and then there's other people that you start training right away, like, oh, if this guy could figure out how to keep this fire burning, he's got it inside of him.
Speaker 4
Because like when you hear people say, and this is like, no disrespect, but this is like the thing when you, when you hear people say, I'm maintaining or same old shit. I, I don't really like that because you want to thrive, not survive. I actually got that from Glick. That's his quote, but you want to thrive, not survive. So it's just like being on the mat.
You want to thrive. So some people live their lives defensively.
Speaker 5
Yeah. And
Speaker 4
they don't take the opportunity to seize the neck when they can. And like, yeah, that's the sword or the ball scene. And he basically is telling his kid, yo, you choose this ball, you will join your mother. Whoa. His mother's gone. Right. You choose the sword.
Speaker 5
He's a little baby. Yeah, exactly. This is crazy.
Speaker 4
Exactly. You choose the sword, and you come with me. Oh,
Speaker 5
wow.
Speaker 4
And he put the sword down, and he put the ball down. And watch this, watch this.
Yo, yo, if somebody wrote here, let him pick up a ball and join their mother in death is absolutely insane work. The quote is hilarious. And then the little boy, he's growing, he's going, he's going.
And then, yeah, well, and ultimately he picks the sword. Ultimately he picks the sword. It's crazy. Yeah. That's life, though.
Speaker 5
That is life.
Speaker 4
Right?
Speaker 5
But you gotta wonder how much of that is like just destiny. How much of that is inside of you? Cause certain people just have They're born different. They're born with a different mindset. They're born with a different personality.
Speaker 4
That's true.
Speaker 5
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Speaker 4
One thing I would say about that, though, is that that's true,
but you also have to have self-awareness. So what does that mean? That means that if I know I have a proclivity or a certain thing that I go, you know, I can make certain things, you know what I mean? Like I know I'm not hungry in a certain area, you can decide
to improve. Yeah. Now, that doesn't mean it's easy. I didn't say it's easy. And that doesn't mean that I can't relate to people going through stuff, because people go through stuff. And that's legit. But you can decide to be better.
I didn't say it's easy, but you can decide to be better, right?
Speaker 5
Yeah. It's
Speaker 4
kind of like the, the, the pro and the amateur. The amateur says to the pro, I want to be where you are. I want to be at the level you're on. In the process where you have to sacrifice, you have to dig deep, you have to be, go through some pain, you're gonna go through some trials, it's gonna be tough for you. And the amateur says, that's easy for you to say you're a pro.
Right? You feel what I'm saying? Yeah. That's do, because a lot of times people, they suspend success in advance. They say that's too hard.
Speaker 6
Right.
Speaker 4
Oh, that's easy for you to, that's easy for you to say means, I interpret that to mean, that's too hard for me.
Or I think that's too hard for me. No, it's not too hard for you. You just don't wanna be uncomfortable. Yeah. But that's not easy. And see, that's the part, like I'll give you an example, like, and you may have heard this, you'll be on a set somewhere and you, yo, how you doing? Living the dream.
People say, living the dream. Most of the time when they say that, it's, it almost sounds like they're upset, but they're trying to keep themselves happy. But what they don't fail to realize is when you dream of roses, you get thorns. If you and I decide we're going to go on an adventure and we're going to climb Mount Everest and we put the work in, that doesn't mean we're not going to deal with weather.
We're not going to deal with slippery slopes. Our, our legs aren't going to be burning from climbing. It doesn't mean that. It just, it doesn't mean it's easy. It just means that, you know, it's a challenge that we're going after, but challenges are difficult. So success is difficult. And I think that particular piece right there is what people forget and they miss.
Speaker 5
Well, I think young people today also are looking for something to happen quickly.
Speaker 4
No question. You know what's crazy? So I got this theory. I got a hypothesis. I got a lot of them, Joe. Okay. I'm out of my mind. So
it's like the internet is like a script, right?
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
But real life is on its feet. You ever, you been on, you been on sets, you did shows, you did all kinds. So you know sometimes you gotta have a script and it doesn't work on its feet. They'll say, oh, this isn't working once you put it on its feet. Well, guess what? If you've been living on the internet, you've been dealing with a script the whole time.
Then you get in real life and you're awkward, you can't interact with people, et cetera, because what you've learned in this script and what you've studied isn't working on its feet. You following what I'm saying? So in other words, like, in other words, what works behind a keyboard, like, you know, when Mike says people got too comfortable with saying stuff and not getting punched in the face for it, what works on a keyboard doesn't necessarily work when I walk into your studio and me and you are kicking it.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
Right? Right. That's what, but I think people, so to, to go back to what you're saying with kids, a lot of times, not all, because a lot of, there are a lot of animals out there that want it, but a lot of them, they want real life to work like the internet. Instant validation. Everybody loves me. Instant this, instant that, order the drink, order the stuff, get the thing.
Speaker 5
But real
Speaker 4
life, you gotta really get out there and hunt. You gotta really get out there in the woods, you know? Like, the internet will reward you for chopping down trees in the wrong forest.
Speaker 5
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4
You know?
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
But in real life, you gotta put your ladder against the right wall, right?
Speaker 5
That, that is the weird thing about the internet. And then a lot of people are becoming famous just for being people, just streaming.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 5
And so then there's a lot of young kids where they look at that as an avenue for life, where you're not creating anything really, you're not becoming better at anything really, there's no art, right? And
Speaker 4
here's the thing about it, though. Here's the thing I believe. I think that some streamers really are artists, and they really are doing what's in their spirit. Like when I see a, a kid like Speed going out and doing his stuff and running around, yeah, that's different. Right, no. But he's doing things, but it, it feels like to me that it's coming from here.
Yeah. Right? Some people are just turning a camera on and saying anything for clicks.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
Right? No disrespect to them, but we should name, we should do the title of this, no disrespect. But, but the reality is that
that's not
Speaker 5
You're not really doing anything. And you're gonna get rewarded, you'll, you'll make money, you'll buy cars, you'll buy stuff, but you're gonna feel empty.
Speaker 4
Your soul won't evolve.
Speaker 5
Yeah, you should, you should find something that you could express yourself in, something that's legitimate, something that is uniquely you.
Speaker 4
What would you do if you were, if you weren't afraid, right? That's always the big question. If you weren't
Speaker 5
afraid, if you
Speaker 4
weren't afraid, what would you do?
Speaker 5
I always say, if you had a documentary crew filming your life, and it was a, a, a story about your success, but it all starts now, live like that. Like, live, live like a documentary crew is following your journey to success. Do all the things that that person would do.
Decide, like, what is it that that kind of person would do? What, what is, what are the steps they would take to succeed?
Speaker 4
That's powerful, too. That's powerful. Because it's like,
You know, you're channeling something. That's like channeling it, you know, it's, it's, it's kinda, it's not fake it till you make it, but in a way it's embodying what you wanna ultimately become.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Right?
Speaker 5
Like if you were watching a documentary on a very inspirational person, like, look at this motherfucker, crack a dong, gets in the ice bath, you know, he's out there running on the road, he's getting his work in, he's doing these things, like that's what you would, you would say, God, I wanna be like that guy. Well, just, just do it.
Speaker 4
And then you know the thing is, right, you know what, Joe, and this is the language of success we're talking about right now, you gotta be relentless.
That's why I like, shout out to my man Tim Grover, he wrote the book Relentless. He, trained Michael Jordan, he trained Kobe, I work with him sometime, we, good vibe, good friend of mine. You have to be relentless. The book is great, by the way, people should check it out, but you have to be relentless in life. Like, you have to really, really want it.
I didn't say it was easy. Please don't conflate relentless with easy or relentless with every moment's gonna be a bed of roses. That's not what I said. I said you have to be relentless. You know what I'm saying? Like, you have to be hungry. Like, I come here, you have beautiful studio, the stuff. This is a, a manifestation of somebody putting their energy in and being relentless, right? And you have to be comfortable with who you are and stop trying to be someone else.
Oscar Wilde had the best quote. He said, be yourself, everybody else is already taken.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
You know what I mean? Yeah. You feel me?
Speaker 5
Oh, yeah. I think for a lot of young people, it's a problem that they don't exactly know who they are.
Well, they know what
Speaker 4
they, a lot of people know what, who they, they know what they want, but they're scared to, they're scared to Deal with it, because they feel like that's not something that other people would be into. It goes back to me making a love song in the middle of like hardcore hip hop, right? Uh-oh, what will other people say?
Speaker 5
Was that before or after Mama Said Knock You Out? That
Speaker 4
was before. Yeah, that was way before. Yeah. That was many years before.
Speaker 5
Because that's one of the hardest songs. That's hard. That's one of the hardest songs of all time. Don't call
Speaker 4
it a comeback, baby. Come
Speaker 5
on, man. That's one of the hardest songs of all time. But you also mixed it up with shit like going back to Cali. Yeah, Rick Rubin. Which is smooth.
Speaker 4
Yeah, avant-garde blues.
Speaker 5
Yeah, her bikini, small, heels tall. She said she likes the ocean.
Speaker 4
She showed me the beach, gave me a peach.
Now, my bet is fast. Yeah, yeah. That was fun. That was a lot of fun. Oh
Speaker 5
my god, man, you got some classics. You got some real cla- Rick Rubin is such a trip. He's one of the most interesting people I've ever met.
Speaker 4
Yeah, it's so funny, like my first album, Radio, it says reduced by Rick Rubin.
Speaker 5
Does it really? Yes,
Speaker 4
it's not produced. If you pull up the credits, it says reduced by Rick Rubin.
Speaker 5
Wow.
Speaker 4
Yeah, because he wanted to strip everything away. It's kinda like in life, right? It's like stripping down, I've come to realize that stripping away
tends to be a lot more interesting than piling it on.
you know what I mean? In a lot of instances. It's about con- you need context, but it really works. And he just stripped down, because prior to that, most of the hip hop that was on record, I'm not talking about the, the, the, the streets, cause the tapes were different, but on record, it was a lot of bands. And a lot of, you know, a lot of musicality.
Records were like disco records. They were like ten minutes long, twelve minutes long, eight minutes, nine minutes long. He reduced it, stripped it down. So I'm rapping over a simple beat.
And I'm just, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
And he just became this thing, you know?
Speaker 5
How did you get to know him?
Speaker 4
So, so it's so funny. He made a record, he produced a record called It's Yours by Tila Rock. And it was on the Streetwise Party Time label, but it was Def Jam Productions. Tila Rock Is Yours. I bought that record, loved the record, had his number. I still remember this number, 2 1 2 4 2 0 0 6 6 6.
Speaker 5
Someone's gonna get some phone calls.
Speaker 4
My bad. No disrespect. No disrespect. And then, so, so I did that, and, I called them every day. I sent a tape in. Me and my man, my mother, to, to, let me backtrack a little. So,
I had sent demo tapes to a lot of labels,
at that time, that I thought might be handling rap. One of them being Sugar Hill, some others. And they all kinda gave me these standard notes. We can't, we, we can't use your material at this time, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, the standard rejection letters. So my mother found one crumbled up on a shelf. I'm dejected. Now, I've been trying for two years, cause I started, became a fan at eight, started writing at 11 or 12.
At 14, I started working on demos. And, now here I am,
16, late 15, early 16, working on this demo. I get this rejection. She gets her tax return. You know, you know,
Shout out to the people who actually get tax returns. Like, that's pretty, you know, you know, that's a whole nother conversation. I wanna digress, but anyway, my mother got a tax return, you know, and that tells you everything. She was happy. So that tells you where we were at, right? She, I tell her, she sees the letter. She's like, Todd, what's wrong? I'm in there in my room.
I'm dejected. I'm depressed. I'm like, oh, you know, I'm gonna quit.
Not gonna do it no more. I'm gonna quit. I'm gonna give up. She said, no, Todd, you sound as good as as some of the guys on, those guys on the radio, the people I hear on your tapes, you sound as good as them. You should keep going. I said, well, I don't have any equipment. I don't have stuff. I, I can't make a demo. They don't like what I'm doing.
She took her tax return and bought me a Korg drum machine.
She bought me that Korg drum machine and me and my man, Frankie, shout out to my man, Spin Master Finesse, Frankie. We went, Frankie Forbes, we went out, we went to his house, we were so excited, we didn't even, I couldn't even wait to learn how to program it, reading the instructions. We did a pause tape.
played, I played the beat, he did the scratching. I played the beat, he did the scratching. I did that, I rapped over it afterwards. Sent that to Rick Rubin at his dorm, he had a dorm, Five University place. He was in the dorms at NYU. Ad-Rock from the Beastie Boys, Adam Harvest from the Beastie Boys, heard my demo. He played it for Rick.
I was calling Rick every day after I sent it, like a day or two later, I'm like, you get the tape yet? Nope. Yo, Rick, you get the tape yet? Nope. I would call him, I would call there like two, three, four times every day. Finally, Ad-Rock heard it, played it for Rick, Rick called me up. Well, he called my house. My grandmother picked up.
Screwed his, fucked his name up crazy, you know, and slick dick Ruben, dick Dubin, you know, my grandma, I'm like, oh my god, Rick Ruben, she's like, you know, so I get, I call him, he's like, yeah, come down to the studio, we're gonna go in, come, come down tomorrow. I go down, I get on the subway, I'm doing handstands on the subway, I'm so damn happy, you know what I'm saying, I'm like on the subway platform doing handstands in New York, you know what I mean, like literally, like so happy, I'm like turning myself upside down with legs against the beams, like about to tear this world up.
I get on the, train, go down to five university, Rick comes down, I said, he said, hey, what's up, man? I said, you're Rick? He said, yeah, I said, I thought you was black.
Look at him right there, and that guy, he looks at me, he goes, cool, and then we go upstairs, we go upstairs, and I'm looking at the satanic, you know, he's so crazy, we go upstairs, we made a demo called Catch This Break. We made that demo, we went across town right after we made it and saw Russell Simmons, played it for Russell. Russell was like,
same old thing, sounds like this, that one, that one. Like, okay, me and Rick go back in the studio, Ad-Rock programs a beat for Rick, Rick produces everything, he gets Jazzy J to do scratching, we do, we do this thing, I need a beat. Russell, their like is so good, they're gonna start their own label called Def Jam. They're gonna start their own label, not just a production company, but a actual label.
And they put that song out and we ended up going into, it was independent, we did two singles, that's me and Ad-Rock. And then we ended up, you know, Def Jam became the thing that people know today.
Speaker 5
Wow.
Speaker 4
Yeah, but it all started back then.
Speaker 5
Well, how did Ruben get involved? Like, it's such a fascinating character. He's such a, like, he sees things.
Speaker 4
Well, he's a, see, the key, the thing is having a POV and being a fan. You don't have to be classically trained in something to have a POV and to be a fan and to have taste. Because ultimately, whether it's us being here, whether it's us picking a t-shirt, a book, a bike, a workout mat, it's about taste. Taste is something that you can't, that's the great
delineating factor between a lot of things, is taste. He has great taste.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Rick can say, that's cool, and it will be. At least to us, right? We can't, I can't say that everything we ever did is cool to everybody, but to us, it was cool.
Speaker 5
Right. You know
Speaker 4
what I mean? So when we do rock the bells, it's like, it's cool.
Speaker 5
You know,
Speaker 4
it's like when we do these songs, I can't live without my radio, Rock the Bells, all this stuff, it's, it, it just felt cool, Jack the Ripper, it just felt cool, you know what I'm saying, to us. And that's how it is, and that's, for, to me, that's the thing that makes Rick so fun to work with, is because
he wasn't afraid to tell you, I'm not sure that's it. Like, me and you can't, me and you can't have a real rapport, if you can't tell me your, charge your t-shirts, I don't know, whatever, you know,
we can't, but he would tell you.
Speaker 5
You know, like
Speaker 4
my name, like, you know, like I had a friend, Playboy Mikey D, I had a, a lot of dudes with like romantic inclined names that had them kind of names on it. So I was Ladies Love Cool James. It's like, yo, that's long for the record, man. You know, for the label, that's a lot to, LL. Yeah, cool, let's do it. You know what I mean? Like it's, it's all those little things, you know, and that's the thing about Rick, you know what I'm saying? Taste is a big deal, you know what I mean? Yeah.
And the
Speaker 5
fact that you respect his taste, like he's, he's intelligent enough who you like take it into consideration, cause there's a lot of people that have opinions.
Speaker 4
So, you know, it's so funny, you're right about that. You know, people always tell you, like you hear somebody say, you gotta surround yourself with great people. How do you know they're great people?
Speaker 5
Right. Well, especially when you're sixteen.
Speaker 4
Exactly. So, you just have to follow your intuition.
Speaker 5
Yes.
Speaker 4
That's the, the biggest tool in your toolbox.
Speaker 5
Yes.
Speaker 4
Your gut is,
Speaker 5
is gonna
Speaker 4
be the thing, right? And I always followed that. Like there was times I would tell Rick, nah, nah, Rick, that ain't it. And he'd be like, you sure? I'm like, But then the other times he'd be like, no, this is it. And I'm like, yeah, you sure? He's like, yeah. You know? And I would listen. Like going back to Cali's a classic example. Initially I said, I don't think so, cause I hated the shit.
Speaker 5
Really?
Speaker 4
Yeah, I was like, I don't think so. Eat that!
Speaker 5
You didn't like that song?
Speaker 4
Because it sounded different. Like at first when we were, it was the demo version. And I was like, I don't think so. He was like, yo, that sounds crazy. I'm like, yeah. And then I said it. I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool. Like, you know, you know, it became a thing, you know? Right. So you have to, you know, it's just like martial arts.
It's like anything, adjustments.
Speaker 5
Yes.
Speaker 4
Right? Taste, adjustments. And doing things that work for you. Right. Your mind, your creativity, your voice, your tenor, you know, your.
Speaker 5
When you're involved, like the editing process of a song, like when it says reduced by Rick Rubin, did you and Rick like sit down together and listen to it and try to sort it out? Did you listen to it independently?
Speaker 4
So at that time I was, I would more listen to what he was saying, but.
I would like hum beats in his ear and then they would program em.
I would say, make the beat go like this, Rick, or do this. And then he would like, so we really worked together. But ultimately, at that time, he would come back to me with ideas, and most of the time I just loved them.
I just thought they were great. You know, I'm a little kid, 16, I'm on the bus. Wow. I'm going back and forth, I'm getting on the subway, we're making these records, and it's just, it just sounded like the coolest stuff in the world. My man E Love, we're walking down the block, I play Rock the Bells for him, and he's like, yo,
I play it on my walk when he listens, like, yo, let me hear that again. I'm like, yeah, I play it for him, he's like, sha. He used to say, sha. You know, he'd be like, yo, let me hear that again. You know, it was just that kind of a thing, you know? Because I, like, so. I always went after feelings with lyrics. Like I know nowadays, especially in the internet age, people are hyper-focused on lyricism, and they're hyper-focused on complexity of lyrics and couplets and I.M.
Pantameter and, you know. I always, I was more in the James Brown zone of how does it feel? It's kinda like, it would be like you, like, did the joke make you laugh, or was it a really smart joke? Like, I didn't really care about it having to be a smart joke, I just wanted them to laugh. I wanted people to feel what I was saying, I wanted to feel it.
So that's why I wrote songs that people can feel, you know, which is very different when you get, when people get over-analytical. That, to me, I don't wanna listen to an audio book when I'm listening to an album. I wanna feel something.
Speaker 5
Right, right, right. You feel what I'm saying? Yes.
Speaker 4
But what people, like, and so that was kinda my thing. I was never really concerned, like, It's kinda like, like Quincy Jones said something really interesting to me. He was one of my mentors. He said he had to forget two thirds of what he knew before he could get ahead.
You know?
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
It's like overthinking your bet, your jump shot. It's like overthinking a punch. It's like overthinking a kick. I, I watched you one time, you was doing some side, you was talking about, you was doing side kicks and back kicks, you know, like roundhouse kicks, and you were talking about how you gotta get your hip up in the air, but at a certain point, you forgot it, right? You, you were no longer conscious of it.
You just throw the kick the way you throw the kick. Well, when you're writing a song, you can either be one of those people that are overly focused on, I'm raising my hip, and I'm, or you could just write the song, and it's a fluid kick that just works.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
Now, just because it's a, when it's a fluid kick that works, if people don't always associate simplicity with genius or cr, hyper creativity. Because they underestimate how difficult it is to get simple.
Speaker 5
Right, right, right, right.
Speaker 4
Right?
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
Like if I, you know, if a guy who, you know, you're a very experienced martial artist, a guy comes in here and he's like a, you know, he's telling you, your shoulder and your elbow and your blah, blah, blah. And another guy comes in, Bruce comes in here, ha, he just throws it. You're like, you know what I mean? You can forget.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
You see what I'm saying? Because it seems so easy.
Speaker 5
Yeah, simplicity is very underrated. It's really good. Like, we were talking about that the other day in the comedy Mothership Green Room about the song Jessie's Girl. Jessie's Girl. Think about how simple that song is. Where can I find me a woman like that?
Speaker 4
Right. But see, that's the thing. But guess what that means? Think about how many people feel that, though. Feel like that.
Speaker 5
Yes, yeah. Where can I find
Speaker 4
me a woman? Like, think about how many people feel like that.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
See, so what happens is, it's kind of like if you got a squeaky floor. And I, you know, and a, a hundred carpenters come in there to, to, to, to change it, and then one guy comes in and puts a nail right there, but he wants to charge you ten grand or some crazy astronomical number. You're paying me cause I know what the spot. You're not paying me because of how difficult it was to solve the problem.
It's identifying the thing. So identifying Jesse's girl, I wanna, you know, you understand what I'm trying to say?
Speaker 5
yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4
You feel me?
Speaker 5
Cut into it.
Speaker 4
Getting, touching the thing like, orgasm, bro. She don't, you know, she don't care what, orgasm.
Yo, you know what I mean? Oh, he kissed the toe and he, he went to the, he nibbled on the knee, orgasm. What you think, you see what I'm saying? Simplicity.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
You know, respectfully, you know, orgasms are simple.
Speaker 5
Especially in songs, right?
Speaker 4
Yeah,
Speaker 5
yeah.
Speaker 4
But so people kinda, I think, I think that that to me has been something that worked for me, just keeping it simple. You know, sometimes I get complicated, but for the most part, when I find a, a feel, when I get a feel, that's what I go with. And I do that in life.
Speaker 5
That's a great way to live. It's very smart. It's smart, and you have good instincts, and you've had a, a long series of success trusting your instincts, so you know how to do it.
Speaker 4
I mean, 84, 1984,
Speaker 5
that's crazy. What was it like becoming famous at 16?
Speaker 4
Well, you know, it was like the movie Porky's.
Or Project X, if you wanna bring it up to Noah days. It was, it was, it was a- I never
Speaker 5
saw Project X. What's that?
Speaker 4
Porky's, it was, Project X is crazy party and all this stuff happens, but ultimately, man, I just, I went, you know.
Speaker 5
Went ham.
Speaker 4
Without a doubt. Ham sandwich. Ham, the pig with the apple in his mouth, ham sandwich, baby. They
Speaker 5
had to be crazy.
Speaker 4
I loved it. I loved every moment because I was living life and enjoying myself. And, you know, you can get what you want, you know, and you can go where you want to go. I never went to a prom.
You know what I'm saying? I didn't go to a prom. I didn't, I didn't do all of those things. I didn't do a lot of the normal things that, you know, a lot of kids get to do.
Speaker 5
Did you feel like you missed out on that?
Speaker 4
Hell no.
Speaker 5
Hell no.
Speaker 4
Fucking prom. Hell no. No, I just, You know, I, I got, I had, I had girls invite me to prom, and I ain't going to that. You know, I was crazy, man. I was crazy, man, but I, we had a ball, man. You know, I introduced hip hop in Maine.
Speaker 5
Really?
Speaker 4
Yeah, that was, like we, like there's a video of me. We was in a small gymnasium in Maine. This is the first time hip hop was in Maine, and I introduced it, and it was like, might have been, I don't know. Fifteen kids and twenty parents or something in a room, and I'm explaining to them, so this is my DJ cut creator. He's gonna do the, that's it right there.
We're literally introducing hip hop in Maine. Like, I'm literally, it had never been there before. Look, they're sitting on the floor.
Speaker 5
Wow. Think about
Speaker 4
that. Think about, look, and my man cut creator is cutting. That's the people introducing me. Cut's cutting, and we're explaining to them how it's gonna work. And I'm telling them, this is hip hop, this is my DJ, this is how this works, this is how, like, I literally had to do tutorials to teach people how to interact with hip hop. That's just,
Speaker 5
yeah.
Speaker 4
You see? And I'm explaining to them what we do. That's my DJ cut creator, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean?
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
So it was that kind of a vibe.
Speaker 5
You know? Crazy.
Speaker 4
So, like, that's kind of the world I lived in. Like, you know... That's like
Speaker 5
a historical moment. Yeah. Like, when you're looking at a cultural historical moment, you introduced it to... Like, people who have never been to Maine, like, in 1985, I used to do stand-up in Maine.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 5
Maine is... It was strange. It was different, right? Small towns, isolated people who were used to it being 30 below zero for five months out of the year. They're hard-ass fucking people. A lot of hard drinking.
Speaker 4
Geese running around, you know, geese, moose, you know. It's
Speaker 5
an odd place, man. Yeah. Maine's an odd place.
Speaker 4
And I went there at that time and introduced it.
Speaker 5
Wow. You know,
Speaker 4
like, those kinds of things, you know? Wow. So you just... I live, yeah, look at it, look at it, look at it. I mean, it's, it's crazy. It's what, what is it, maybe, maybe a hundred people in there? I don't know, maybe it's a little more.
Speaker 5
That's crazy. I mean,
Speaker 4
it was that kind of a thing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
So, being sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, doing that around the country was really wild, because I did that in a lot of places.
Speaker 5
Wow. It
Speaker 4
was very different, man.
Speaker 5
Wow. You
Speaker 4
know, it was very different, you know?
Speaker 5
And there was no roadmap either. It was like, no, there wasn't like a lot of hip hop stars before you that you could talk about or talk to about it. Well, there was
Speaker 4
no industry.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
So, you don't have any managers that really understood it. There was Russell, but you don't have managers, you don't have, like, you had Bill Adler, who was a publicist, but there was no industry. Right. So, there's no, you understand what I'm saying? Yes, yes. There's no platform, there's no, you can't go get a strategic partner. We're not doing branding.
Right, right. You know what I mean? Yeah. It was all about, like,
you know, grassroots. This is something we love, this is something we believe in.
You know, take it or leave it basically. Like, you know.
Speaker 5
There's just so few times in history where an art form emerges like that.
Speaker 4
Yeah, I mean, it's a blessing too. I'm, I'm, it's a luck and blessing.
Speaker 5
A huge blessing. Yeah, it's a blessing. I mean, obviously you're very talented and obviously you work very hard, but it's also like what an incredibly fortuitous moment to be there at that time when a new art form is, is emerging that is going to become the dominant art form. It's like one of the most dominant things in pop culture ever.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 5
Is hip hop music. And
Speaker 4
it's, and you know what the beauty of it is? You know, people always say, did you ever know it was going to get this big? It's like, it was already that big to me in my mind. It was the biggest thing in the world to me. I didn't say it was the biggest thing out in the world. Right. But in my mind. It was the most popular thing and the biggest thing.
So when I'm playing the vinyl and I'm staring at the record or if I'm playing a tape and I'm listening to a tape and I'm like,
I'm like imagining myself inside that, like it was all consuming.
But that's a, there's a, there's a little, there's a jewel in that. We have to be completely consumed by what it is that we're embarking on. Right?
Speaker 5
Yes. We
Speaker 4
have to be completely consumed by, like we got, it's got to, you know, you got to want it in every fiber of your being, man. You got to want it with every fiber of your being. You can't take no for an answer, not even from yourself. Right?
Speaker 5
Yeah. Yeah. It's important to hear, man. People need to hear this, especially young people. It's like so important to hear someone who's been through it all and maintains that focus and what that's all about to you.
Speaker 4
Man, it's, it's a beautiful thing. But I tell you, you know, Joe, I know you, the young people, yes, but all people. All people. Cause dreams don't have deadlines. Cause a lot of people, they get to a certain age and they give up. Oh, I'm fifty. Oh, I'm forty six. I can't do it anymore. No, no, yes you can. Stop. Stop. Colonel Sanders was how old when he started Kentucky Fried Chicken? Like sixty five? He really was.
Was he really? Yes. Go, go, go, Cornelius Vanderbilt was like eighty, in his eighties doing the, the, the, went to the railroads after the steam, the, the, the ships. I mean, there are a lot, there are countless examples of people that kept, Sam Jackson, you know, like there are countless examples of people that kept, George Foreman, let's put it back on the sporting world, came back and did his thing.
Like you can do it. There's no limitation.
Speaker 5
Right. The
Speaker 4
limitation is in your mind. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5
That's certainly true. You're still alive. This idea that you're at a chapter in your life where no more growth is going to happen is crazy.
Speaker 4
It's crazy, man. Don't do that to yourself. Why would you do that to yourself? Well,
Speaker 5
people like to do that for some reason. They like to categorize their life into certain stages as if it's not just constant. It's not, it's not just like, oh, I'm past that stage. Oh, I can't do that anymore. You know why? Why?
Speaker 4
Because you don't have to compete. It's easy. As soon as I say to you, oh, well, you know, I don't ha, I no longer have to try. I no longer have to get in the arena. You know that, that poem, the man in the arena?
Speaker 5
Yeah. Like there's
Speaker 4
a certain point when they just, you just want to step out of the arena. Like, you know, cause it's not really about competition in life. It's about being creative, right? Right. You could teach your kids to compete. That's iffy. You teach them to create, they can have a life.
Speaker 5
Yeah. Right?
Speaker 4
Not that we don't want to compete. I love sport. You know, we love sports, combat sports, basketball, football. Like, we love all the stuff, but Creativity is the thing that's going to make you the greatest competitor. Because whether you're in the ring, you're in the dojo, you're on in the arena, it's the creativity, Jordan's creativity.
You know what I mean? It's the creativity on the court, Kyrie's creativity. Those are the things that take you to the next level. So I would just encourage the all people, not just the youngsters, but like everybody to keep going. And when you look in the mirror, what do you see? You know the best version of yourself. I looked in the mirror one time, I took my shirt off, I looked in the mirror, I turned to the side, it looked like somebody took a pebble and went, you know what I mean? Like they just threw it in a, in a pond.
I was like, no, we can't do that. I said, we ain't doing that. Oh, we're not doing that. You know what I mean? That's a decision. I'm not saying it's easy. Don't hit me with the, it's, it, yo, but it's not easy. I didn't say it was. But you know who you are. Well,
Speaker 5
this is the reason why most people don't do it. It's because it's not easy. It doesn't mean you can't do it. I just, you just have to figure out how to persevere. And a lot of people never learn that. And then they get scared. They get scared of failure. That's a big one. That's the, those fear of failures hold people back from almost everything.
Speaker 4
So you're a big fan of the, like the whole concept of, many worlds and multiverse and all that, right? Which I love. I love all that kind of stuff too. I'm crazy. So it's like, well, you know, when you think about the multiverse and you think about, or many worlds, and you think about, if you look at your life as a series of choices, what would your life be like if you made different choices?
Speaker 5
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 4
Right? Okay, so let's, let's, let's game it out. Okay. So if you decided not to give up, what would your life be, be like in five years?
Want to find out?
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
You know what I mean? Everybody's red pill, blue pill, this and that. You want to find out?
Take the, the personal red pill. You know what I'm saying? The personal one. And
Speaker 5
if you get to five years and you still haven't made it, don't give up because it might be five more. And what if you just went through five more and got there? Or what if five more passed you and you did nothing and you stayed in the exact same place in life?
Speaker 4
Even in that scenario, if you didn't accomplish it, you would still be better for it. Yes, a
Speaker 5
hundred percent. Because
Speaker 4
your soul would evolve.
Speaker 5
Yeah, your character would grow. You'd become a better person. Yeah, with difficult things, you'd become a better person.
Speaker 4
Right?
Speaker 5
Yeah. That was one of the things my martial arts instructor said to me when I was a kid. He said, martial arts are a vehicle for developing your human potential.
Speaker 4
A hundred percent.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Exactly. And we want to maximize our potential.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
For me, you know, as a youngster, when you just enter martial arts at a very low level, it was about, it just taught me humility and respect. Taught me not to be tough, taught me manners.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
You know, I'm looking at my sensei or even a senpai, and I'm like, you know, his assistant, and I'm like, you know, this guy looks like, you know, you could steal his sandwich and kick him in the butt and give him a wedgie, and he'll kick your forehead off of your skull. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5
Yeah. You learn
Speaker 4
respect.
Speaker 5
Yeah. Well, it's just good for people, young people in particular to be humbled and to have structure and to do something that's difficult, and also the progression of learning as you go along, oh, I'm much better than I used to be. Oh, now I have a blue belt. Oh, now I have a green belt. Whatever it is, like, this progression is important because it, like, marks these milestones, and it cements in your mind that hard work and focus and all these things.
Speaker 4
I'm glad you said that. So I love the idea that originally, like, with belts in martial arts, the reason why black belts became black belts were because of use. Heavy usage. In other words, I start off with a white belt. I never washed it because I don't want to wash my skill away. And I've been working at this art form so long that ultimately it's black from dirt and soot and hard work and, and crime and grit.
That's such an interesting concept when you think about it, because you can have a black belt in life and not know it. You can have a black belt in certain areas of your life and not even know it.
Like a lot of people in this world are black belts in certain things and they don't even recognize it because they're not self-aware.
You know what I mean? You, you, you feel me? So that, that to me, like that, the idea of going a white belt and that progression and finding out, I, I, I forget the book I was reading. He talked about it. it was one of the Gracie books. Gracie, one of, it's a newer one. And he was talking about this. Is it Hickson?
Speaker 5
No,
Speaker 4
I, I, no, I read. I, I don't want to say the wrong name, cause a lot of them, I don't want to say the wrong name and be disrespectful. So Hickson's
Speaker 5
the one who writes the book. It's, Hickson was a part. The principles
Speaker 4
of jujitsu, it's the principles, the thirty-two principles of jujitsu. That's the one. It's, it's, it's, and, and he talked about this, this progression of going from white belt to black belt and how it was traditionally, it was because, you know, people were like, what is it? Yeah, there you go. Yeah, and Jocko did the, so it's Henner,
Speaker 5
Henner Gracie. Oh, yeah. And Jocko did the forward.
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah. You know what's
Speaker 5
interesting about that, too? If you get an old black belt, they turn white again. Yeah! I saw
Speaker 4
Jocko, I think Jocko had one like that, right? He has one like that, right? They
Speaker 5
get beat up, they get torn apart, and as they wear out, the black goes away, and you almost have like a white belt. And if you look at your instructor, your instructor, the guy that's with Donahue, go to his picture again. Glick,
Speaker 4
Brian Glick.
Speaker 5
If you could find him, you'll see his belt, and his belt is so worn out, because he's been a black belt for a long time, there's frayed white all over it. Which is
Speaker 4
crazy.
Speaker 5
Yeah, and guys who have like, you know, fifth and sixth degree black belts, have been training for thirty years, their belts are all fucked up to the point where it's almost white.
Speaker 4
That's crazy. Yeah. And that's like Joseph Campbell, it's like the hero's journey, right? Because you go all the way back and return. Look at that, look at that.
Speaker 5
See how his belt's all frayed? Yeah. So that's just the beginning stages. Yeah. Like, there's guys that have ten-year-old Older, fifteen, twenty year older belts than that, where they're completely black. Like, look at Donaher's belt. Donaher has a nice new one on. Yeah. But his is all fucked up, cause he's got the original black belt that he probably, when he first got his black belt.
Speaker 4
Yeah, and he's like Donaher's longest running student, right?
Speaker 5
Oh, is he really? I believe
Speaker 4
he's one of them, yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, Brian Blake. Oh, the dude's been around
Speaker 5
for a long time. Yeah, yeah, Brian
Speaker 4
is, he's a good teacher, too. And
Speaker 5
see, see if you can find some old Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts. They get old, and then, the thing about Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts, so they get to a certain level where they become coral belts, where they give them a red and black belt. Yeah, yeah, I know, I heard about that, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, my instructor, Jean-Jacques Machado, he got his coral belt.
Because of, because of what you've done
Speaker 4
for the, for the art form, yeah.
Speaker 5
All fucked up, beat up. Exactly. Where they're basically almost white.
Speaker 4
Exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Yeah, and you get the coral belts because you, you uphold the art form itself, right, at that point, and the craft, and your contribution to the craft, right? Yes, yes, yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, you know, I love, you know, that's This is life. This is the language of life right here.
Speaker 5
Yes.
Speaker 4
You know, people, you know, people get in, think about these things trying to be tough guy. It's not. It's about the language of life.
Speaker 5
Yes.
Speaker 4
You know what I mean? This is because you're battling yourself. Like, you know, when you can step in the studio as a, as a, as a mature older guy and walk in there with a white belt and, and get, get, you know, and, you know, let a purple belt slap you around or let a, you know what I'm saying? Like, these are things like, but it's good for you.
Right?
Speaker 5
And you as a known person, that's a different thing. Like someone gets to choke out LL Cool J, that's very different. It's very different than, you know, Mike, Mike Jones from down the street. Yeah, it's different, man. It's different. Like, you know. Choking
Speaker 4
me out and all that. It
Speaker 5
works on famous rappers.
Speaker 4
Yo, rap the song. Rap the, rap. Mama said knock
Speaker 5
you out. Mama
Speaker 4
said run the fucking rapid. Yo, rapid is so funny, B. No, no, rap that shit. Say it. I always like this one. Say it. Oh,
Speaker 5
no. Do you remember when you got your first tap, when you first tapped somebody?
Speaker 4
No, I haven't gotten it yet.
Speaker 5
You haven't got a single tap yet? Wow. So you're really fresh. I'm fresh. Really learning. I'm brand new.
Speaker 4
I'm brand new in the game. You can tap
Speaker 5
out Jamie. Well, I'll show you how. No, no, no,
Speaker 4
no, no. I don't, I'll mess around with Jamie and have me,
Jamie, have your man in a cream, in a Americana or something nasty. No. But I'm, you know. That's
Speaker 5
awesome, though. I'm really happy that you're doing that.
Speaker 4
Yeah, I just, you know, just starting with Glick. But it's, I just think life in general, Joe. These are the, this is the language of success, man. You know what I'm saying? The language of success, bro. Like, let's win.
Speaker 5
I think it's always good to do things from the very beginning, too. To start off as a beginner again in some, because you can develop a, you have a beginner's mindset when you first learn something, and I think that excitement of like a new thing where you're like absorbed in it and trying to figure it out, and you really don't know, and then you see people who are good at it, like, oh, this is a whole new avenue for my interests and a whole new avenue for thinking, for creativity.
Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 4
Absolutely. And you know what else is dope? I'll tell you something, a dope technique that I think is cool, and you may do this. I, I'll read one book for three, four years.
Speaker 5
Really? Yeah. Just go back and read it again?
Speaker 4
Like, my thing is this, if you read a book, you became a black belt because you know all the moves, and then you get the degrees because you, I mean, it's an endless ocean of information, we know that, but You get it because you, so why not become a black belt in the book?
How you, you gonna take one lesson and now you know jujitsu or you gonna take one, you know shotokan because you, you know, you went for, you know, three lessons and, or you learned a kata. Let's say you, you memorized three katas, now you're, you're done? Like, no, you have to, so to read a book for three or four years, like you prob, what's your favorite book?
Speaker 5
Boy, I don't know if I have a favorite book. One of the most impactful books for me was a book that I read when I was very young called The Book of Five Rings.
Speaker 4
Oh yeah, Miyamoto Musashi. So, so let's say, let's say, let's say you read Miyamoto Musashi. You, you've read that a lot of times, right?
Speaker 5
Oh yeah, yeah, I've read that. I don't even know how many times. But see,
Speaker 4
but I read it
Speaker 5
a lot when I was young though, yeah. But see,
Speaker 4
but see what you just said? Now imagine consciously doing that. You did it.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Cause Musashi, you know, the book of five rings is a really interesting book. Well, I've
Speaker 5
read a lot of stuff like that, but that was the first one that I read from a guy who killed people with swords.
Speaker 4
Yeah, he was unbelievable. Yeah,
Speaker 5
there was a lot of people that had really good books on philosophy. Like who? And managing the mind. Well, I, believe it or not, like a lot of Anthony Robbins stuff. I love Tony Robbins. Especially early in the day. Yeah. That was like in the 1980s. I was walking in the
Speaker 4
seagulls and I saw the view of the. I love Anthony Robbins. Very inspirational
Speaker 5
stuff.
Speaker 4
Absolutely.
Speaker 5
And also like really good at like time management, like good at mind management, managing your expectations and your understanding of things. There's a lot of like good psychology, you know, books. But the thing about the Musashi book to me that was so impactful was that this guy was so unusual even for his time. Killed 60 men or 61 men in combat, one on one with fucking swords.
You know, and like his mind had to be completely dialed in and his idea. Was that you had to have a complete balance, and that you had to have a balance of art and creativity and poetry, as well as being ruthless and vicious with a sword. You had to have full balance.
Speaker 4
See? It's harmony. Yes. It's not even balance, it's harmony. Yes. Because balance, something's out of harmony. Yes. Because this could be this much of your life, this can be this much of your life. Yes. So it's having harmony. And that's what he talked about in the book. Yes. And I love the little things he talks about, like, you know, being sticky, you know, when he talks about sticky and being sticky on your opponent.
Little things he talks about in there. Putting, making sure that, you know, the sun is to your back, the threshold, putting them in the threshold, making sure you, you know, when you're in the room, certain corners, like all of that matters in life, right?
Speaker 5
Yeah. Miyamoto
Speaker 4
Musashi is amazing.
Speaker 5
Yeah, I know. It's, it's, it's amazing stuff. And it's, you know, it's really old. It's like from the 1400s. Yeah, absolutely. So you're, you're right. And he died
Speaker 4
in a cave. Yeah. He wrote it and he went up in the cave.
Speaker 5
Yeah. Yeah. I love Miyamoto Musashi. Absolutely. It's such a valuable book because you, you want to think about samurais as being brutes. You want to think of them as being vicious killers, and you realize, like, in order to be the very best at it, you had to be a completely balanced person. Like, he did calligraphy and poetry, and like, he was, he had the love song, and he had Mama Said Not To.
There you go. He had balance. Now
Speaker 4
you see where I'm going. Now you see where I'm going. Now you see what I'm saying. Now you see what, that's what I'm talking about. He knew when to let the guy just float off, right? He knew when to let the guy float off. The guy made him wait. He knows when it's disrespectful, making the guy, like, all of those little things that he did.
Speaker 5
He'd make dudes wait for hours. Yeah, all of that. Imagine, you think you're going to get killed, and you have to sit there for three hours, when when is this motherfucker showing up? And then you're like, damn, I should have ate something. You start thinking.
Speaker 4
Yeah, he, I mean, everything he talked, everything he talked about, the way, the way you hold the sword, the positioning of the sword, the sword, the, the, being able to use both swords. The long one versus the short one.
Speaker 5
Yeah. Right? Yeah.
Speaker 4
All of that is life.
Speaker 5
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 5
The mastery, the mastery of the way, and that once you see the way, you can see it in all things.
Speaker 4
That's,
Speaker 5
exactly.
Speaker 4
And that's what I'm trying to encourage with what I say these things is like, people, mastery is really, really important. Mastery. Starting with mastery of yourself, mastery of your vision, meaning you know what you want. Mastery of the steps that you take, meaning that you will take the steps that you deem appropriate, but also make adjustments along the way.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Right? Yeah. That's the thing. That's where we want to go, right?
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
That's what we're trying to, that's what the, not even trying, that's what we're doing. That's what we're doing. Now we, you feel me?
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Like, that's the thing. Like, I think people just need to get back into that, you know? Yeah. Let's lean into that a little more.
Speaker 5
Well, certainly people that inspire you do that. And that's what, we, we all take inspiration from other people that are getting after it. Like there's something about when someone is doing that and, and, and chasing mastery. There's something very inspiring about that. That's right.
Speaker 4
Because like, if you think about it, it's like
mastery breeds a quiet, first of all, mastery is, transferable, meaning the, the, the mindset, it's kind of what Mas, Masashi Miyamoto said, like, which is the idea of once you, you, you see the way in all things. So once you know what success looks like and what it takes, you can apply that to other missions.
Speaker 5
You see
Speaker 4
what I'm saying? Like, because you understand the stages.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Right?
Speaker 5
Yes.
Speaker 4
Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, that's the thing.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
And I think that's the thing that we have to get, that mastery, that mindset, that mindset of being a master, that mindset of being the best that you can be, that mindset of going to another level, that mindset of winning, and, and winning in a way that benefits your team.
Right? It doesn't mean, like, because we're not, it's not about being
non-confrontational, it's just, because you need boundaries, but it's about protecting those boundaries the right way.
You feel me?
Speaker 5
Sort of. Okay,
Speaker 4
so, basically what I'm saying is, there's a difference between being nice and being kind.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
Being nice is I want everybody to like me, so I'm gonna bullshit.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
Kind is, yeah, I'm gonna be kind, but if you step all over my shoe with your muddy boot, I'm not gonna be okay with it.
I'm, because I'm trying to be nice, and you're maybe in a higher position. Yo, you're on my foot. You don't get a pass for that.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
You feel me? Yes. Because you're here, or you're this, or you're that. Right, right. Or a celebrity, or a CEO, or whatever. You feel me? Yeah.
Speaker 5
You
Speaker 4
don't get a, so that's the thing. Like, that part, be, there's a different. You have to have
Speaker 5
balance in that, too.
Speaker 4
Harmony. Yeah. I say harmony, you say balance, but I say harmony. Harmony's a better word. I say harmony because they, things fit in their place like an orchestra.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Orchestras are not balanced, but there's harmony.
Speaker 5
Right, right. You know,
Speaker 4
certain instruments lead.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
You know? You know. You
Speaker 5
should write a book on this shit, dude.
Speaker 4
I just read all these other shit. But
Speaker 5
it's for real, cause it's like what people want to hear about this kind of stuff, they want to hear about it from someone who has been successful. Someone who is like, this is a real, you've actually had to manage these thoughts and get through it and you have. And now you're speaking from a place of experience. You know, it's not like theory.
No,
Speaker 4
it is. No, it's practical. It's practical. It's like, it's a case, it's real practical. Yeah.
Speaker 5
That's why it's important to hear it from a guy like you, because especially, I mean, I say especially for young people, let me say, let me take that out, for aspiring people.
Speaker 4
there you go. That's, yeah, aspiring people, exactly. It's
Speaker 5
not even how long you've been alive. It's like, what is your mindset right now? What, your, and most young people are aspiring because they feel like they have their whole life in front of them, and they're been told, hey, you live in America, you could be anything in America. You could make it here. You can go from the bottom to the top, this is the place.
And so they are, they are initially aspirational. Yeah, and then a lot of times people get beaten down by life and circumstances and poor choices and...
Speaker 4
Well, I think education, your choices is big. Education, I think the root of the Latin word of it is educo. I may not be pronouncing it right. Could you look that up? The education, but it means to, it means to bring out. So education is about bringing out what's already there. Like a good teacher, you know, will bring out of you, even a good martial arts instructor will bring out what's inside of you, that inner champion, that thing that's already in you, they bring it out.
That's what education is about, right? So like the first thing that popped in my head when you said aspiring in America, I'm thinking about all the people from all over the world who come to America. So they were already that before they came. So people in general want to be better. Some people, a lot of people are willing to take the risk to be better.
You know what I mean? I think
Speaker 5
everybody wants to be better, but not everybody's willing to take the risk.
Speaker 4
Yeah, I, that's even better said. I don't, I don't think there's
Speaker 5
a lot of people out there in the world that say, I don't wanna be. Would like to be better. Yeah, would like to be better. Yeah, yeah. Would like to have had the mindset to pursue being better, but I don't, there's very few people that like, I don't wanna be better at anything. I'd rather be mediocre and, you know, uninteresting forever.
Speaker 4
Most people don't want that. Eat cereal, you know. It's
Speaker 5
just like, they lower their expectations so that they also lower the impact of failure.
Speaker 4
Hundred percent.
Speaker 5
That's all it is.
Speaker 4
Hundred percent.
Speaker 5
It's unfortunate, it sucks, and sometimes people start off that way and then they eventually realize the folly of their ways, and then they evolve and grow. And some, some people it takes longer, which is why aspirational is better than young. Like saying. Hundred percent. Cause there's some people like, they get on the wrong path and then they don't figure it out until they're forty.
Like Steven Pressfield. A brilliant author. Yeah,
Speaker 4
I know who he is. You know who he is? He wrote
Speaker 5
this book called The War of Art. Have you read it? Of course. Okay. Absolutely. That book's fantastic. About procrastination and stuff. Yes, yes. And one of the best parts about that book is that Pressfield was kind of lazy in his own words until he was 40.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 5
And then he figured it out when he was 40. It was like, I see what I'm doing wrong, and now I'm going to completely dedicate myself to the news. I'm gonna do the work. I'm gonna do the work. I'm gonna show up every day at the same time with an intention. I'm literally gonna set my intention to do the work. Then all of a sudden, he writes Legend of Bagger Vance and all these great books, and he becomes hugely successful, and...
Speaker 4
Turned it around. You know what's crazy? I heard this quote, right? And it, it, it, it, like, it stripped me down and made me kinda reassess, but it's true. And I, as an artist, it was hard for me to admit it, but this quote, inspiration is for amateurs. the professionals have to actually go to work.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
That's a, that's a rough quote to accept.
Speaker 5
That's a rough one. Yeah, Mike Tyson has a great one too. He said, discipline is doing something that you hate, but doing it like you love it.
Speaker 4
Woo! Yeah. That's real.
Speaker 5
Because the fire that burned inside of that man, I mean, no one can keep that fire going forever, but you have to consider the fire in like from 86 to like 90, whatever, the time when he was just on this mad run through the heavyweight division, like that fire burned so hot. It burned so hot that that statement hit so hard.
Speaker 4
Crazy. Yo, pull up, I gotta see this picture. Pull up Mike Tyson holding LL Cool J's gold chain. It's the funniest picture to where
I, it's not like, I'm like, he's holding my chain. It's the funniest photo, man. It just reminds me, I loved him. I loved him. Me and Mike hung out. Yo, it was crazy, man. We used to hang out. Yo, Mike is, that's my man. I went to see him at jail.
Speaker 5
Did you really? Oh, yeah, yeah. I
Speaker 4
remember walking, going to see him. He say, hey, man, what you doing here, man? Oh, man, you came to see me. I went to see him and all that. That was, that's my man. Yeah, yeah, Mike's my man. Mike's my man, you know. But I love, you know, I love champions, you know. Lennox Lewis, likes, no, that's, that's us hanging out, but no, that's not it.
It's, yeah, well, you, it's kind of in the, see the one right there with, with my man Shorty Black and, yeah, that, that's one, but that's one of them, but there's a picture like that if you was to, if you were to search around, you'll, ultimately you'll find it, you know. But it, yeah, you ain't got to go through it, but it's, yeah, that's my man.
That's my guy. That's my dude. He was unbelievable, too. Him, Floyd Patterson, that, that style of fighting. Customato
Speaker 5
style. Customato
Speaker 4
style, the peekaboo. It's crazy.
Speaker 5
He's another guy I could talk about fortuitous moments. Oh, yeah. Thirteen years old, gets adopted by Customato, who was a hypnotist and one of the greatest boxing coaches of all time. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 4
I didn't know that. Yeah,
Speaker 5
that was, he used to hypnotize. There it is.
Speaker 4
See? 1986. Yo, how cra, yeah. Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 5
He used to hypnotize Mike when he was young.
Speaker 4
Really?
Speaker 5
Yeah, yeah, he hypnotized him. He taught him how to box, taught him psychology, taught him warrior mentality. I love to hear when he talks about
Speaker 4
the fear, the hero and the coward.
Speaker 5
Yes. What they do when they're afraid. Yeah, they both feel the same thing. Yeah.
Speaker 4
Yeah. You know, you know, cause people always ask me, like, if I'm going on stage,
they'll say, yo, do you get nervous before you go on stage? Well, if you don't get nervous, you don't care.
Speaker 5
Right. Right. If
Speaker 4
you don't get nervous, you don't care. Now, what do you do with it? You got to use it as fuel.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
You got a big show in New York, you, you feel nerves, but you use it as fuel. It's just like a fight, like a match. You got to have, you got to feel it. If you don't feel that, you don't care.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Right? But then you use it as fuel, you channel it. And all of a sudden, that fight or flight thing, that adrenaline, that power, it becomes a power that you tap into. Yeah.
Speaker 5
You
Speaker 4
know what I mean? And you could do that in life.
Speaker 5
Customato talked about that with fear. He said, fear is like fire. It can cook your food, or if you can't control it, it'll burn your house down. Yeah. You need it, though.
Speaker 4
You do
Speaker 5
need it. I get nervous for every show I do. I always do.
Speaker 4
See what I mean?
Speaker 5
Because I care. That's exactly
Speaker 4
right.
Speaker 5
And if you don't care, you don't get nervous. It doesn't mean you're, you're fearful. No. It doesn't mean you're thinking. It's not stage fright. Yeah. No, no, no. It's, it's like. It's
Speaker 4
anxiety and like.
Speaker 5
Butterfly. Exactly. Here we go. It's about to go down. This is about to happen.
Speaker 4
Absolutely. And the
Speaker 5
more of those moments you can get in your life where you have to rise to the expectations, the better you are. A hundred percent. Those moments are good for you. They get exciting.
Speaker 4
That's right.
Speaker 5
Let's see that you're alive. You're doing something fun.
Speaker 4
There you go. It makes, it means you're on the edge. Yeah.
Speaker 5
Because you
Speaker 4
want to live your life on the edge. Like a lot of times, like, like, you know, It does, I don't hate it cause that's the wrong word, but it bothers me when I see people that are like, it's kinda like what you said earlier, when they, people that kinda like, what's, what's the word, relin, not relinquish, but like they're, they're relegat, I'm trying to figure out, it's basically what I'm saying is people that just
decide that they're not gonna keep going. You know, they're like, they're, I forget the word, it's a, it's a R word. Yeah, I
Speaker 5
can't remember it either. Yeah,
Speaker 4
but they, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a lot of after parties. But, they relished, and somebody out there in the comments knows exactly what. Relegated? Relegated, yeah, to kinda just being,
nah, man, let's get it, baby. Let's go get it. Let's go get it. Let's go get it.
Speaker 5
That's an infectious mindset, but you, you gotta be around people that think like that. It's very good for you. Very good for you. And you gotta be that guy too, so other people around you absorb it.
Speaker 4
That's right.
Speaker 5
Yeah, cause if you're around a bunch of people that are like, man, this fucking, I never catch a break, like,
Speaker 4
oh my god, oh my god. Those
Speaker 5
people are brutal.
Speaker 4
Oh my god, that's where, you know, stay away from the unlucky. People that talk like that,
Speaker 5
yeah, yeah, yeah. Stay away from the
Speaker 4
unlucky. That's
Speaker 5
important, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, stay away. That's important. Yeah,
Speaker 4
yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5
Yeah, that's a real thing. Yeah.
Speaker 4
That shit's contagious. Yo, is it, is it, the, is it, yo, what? You got people around, what? Like, like, my thing is, as soon as somebody start talking like that, I'm like, listen, man, you know, you gotta say something about some success at some point, baby. Anything good happen recently? Anything. Anything happen good. I don't, I don't deal with that.
Speaker 5
Also, what are all these things that are bad have in common? You were there. Do
Speaker 4
you think that might be a factor? That might
Speaker 5
be a factor. Your behavior, your, your, your, the weather, your essence might be a factor.
Speaker 4
You know what, on a, on a more positive note, I want to shout it out to my man, Eddie, my man Eddie at, Competitive Edge Athletics. He loves you, loves the show.
Speaker 5
Shout out to Eddie.
Speaker 4
Yeah, my man Eddie O'Boyle. He was like, yo, you gotta, yo, you gotta do it, man. You gotta, yo, I want you to go on Joe Rogan, man. Come on, come on, Todd. I'm like, yo, I love Joe. I watch the show. I love when we talk about the pyramids and we talk about, you know what I mean? Like lost civilization. Oh, you get into
Speaker 5
that shit?
Speaker 4
Yeah. I'm into all the, the, the real shit. Like all the lost civilizations, pyramids. Lost civilization
Speaker 5
shit's the most fascinating thing on earth to me.
Speaker 4
Yo, Atlantis, they keep finding stuff under the water. You know it's all there. First of all, you know what, you know what? I'm gonna tell you where everything is at. The permafrost. Really? If we could, come on, Joe, if we could melt down. That goddamn, yo, they, yo, the permafrost, like you go in Russia and you find that, you know, those permafrost down in there, under there's a lot of action.
Anywhere that's frozen, Antarctica, like anywhere frozen underneath that, that's everything. It's all there.
Speaker 5
What do you think's there?
Speaker 4
I think it's civilizations there. You
Speaker 5
think there's ancient civilizations there?
Speaker 4
100%.
Speaker 5
Have you ever seen those things that look like pyramids in Antarctica? Yes. Very weird. Yes, yes, absolutely. And they try to say they're naturally occurring.
Speaker 4
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5
I mean, I don't know what it looks like underneath the ice, so it's hard to tell, because sometimes rocks do look like You know, it's just a natural formation that looks like it's over there. But they use a lidar,
Speaker 4
aren't they? Isn't that the thing they use? I don't know if
Speaker 5
they've used it in in Antarctica, but there's images of these mountains and the top of it, you're like, hey, what the fuck is that? It looks like
Speaker 4
it was, yeah, absolutely. It looks like step pyramid. Yeah, I know exactly. Absolutely. There's
Speaker 5
a bunch of those and there's a lot of those in South America that are just completely covered in jungle that they're finding.
Speaker 4
Well, first of all, the idea that people weren't going all over the earth. Yeah, there it is. Yeah, come on, baby. Like, I mean, come on, bro. Crazy.
Speaker 5
But is there an angle of that where it doesn't look crazy? Whoa, look at the top. Is that real? The, the, what, the aerial, where they're looking straight down on it? If that's real, that's nuts. Like, that's
Speaker 4
crazy. That
Speaker 5
looks like a damn pyramid. Except the right angle, the far side, lower right, that, that's, that looks a little jagged. But the other ones look remarkably symmetrical.
Speaker 4
But then they find maps, they found maps. Now, I don't want to confuse Arct- the Arctic with Antarctica, but I think they found maps that were done where, when that wasn't frozen, right? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about, right? Yeah,
Speaker 5
yeah, yeah. I think that is, is that, is that Antarctica where they have those ancient maps from the 1500s? Yeah, 1500s. I think it was before they even knew Antarctica was a continent.
Speaker 4
And they had people that showed what it looked like when it was green. Right,
Speaker 5
yeah. Well, there's some old maps that are super confusing. It's like, how do they know all this? There's some old maps that are also written from older maps that are lost, and you just go like, what, do you know that thing that they found in Greece, the Antikythera mechanism?
Speaker 4
That, yeah, that computer, like that, that thing that's like a computer, like, yeah, like you, yeah. That is
Speaker 5
one of the great monkey wrenches in all of history. Like, someone just threw a monkey wrench into the gears, and like, stop!
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 5
What's that?
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 5
How the fuck is this 2,000 years old, this, like, super complicated, gears and lever computer?
Speaker 4
Yeah, like the computer, yeah, I know exactly. And they didn't even
Speaker 5
know what the fuck it was when they first found it, but that now they've done these scans of it, where they have these, like, sophisticated scanning devices that can give you the internal components and the mechanisms of it, and the deeper they understand about it, the more confused they are. And they think
Speaker 4
it was navigation, they could tell what the stars were doing, navigation. And, you know, and with
Speaker 5
sophisticated calendar, and, but it's just insane, like, how did they figure out how to do this 2,000 Thousand fucking years ago, and where did they get that information? What is missing? What have we lost from before that?
Speaker 4
I think that's the real question, because human creativity is the same as it's always been. Right. The same way you want something to eat, they wanted something to eat.
Speaker 5
Yes. The
Speaker 4
same way you have a desire to know what's out there, they have a desire to know what's out there. That's why, like, like, just to offer a little bit of a tan, people say, oh, there's nothing in outer space. Like, you're out of your mind. That's like standing on top of a mountain, looking down at the water and saying there's nothing in there.
Right. And then some guy says, yo, I saw some dolphins, I saw something jump out and blow, and you're like, I don't believe you. You really think that we just sitting here and there's nothing? Like, that's absurd. It's
Speaker 5
absurd. It's absurd, bro. It's absurd. It's also absurd that this is as smart as people have ever been, because the pyramids themselves, you're like, okay, we can't make that today. I don't give a fuck what anybody says. Giving the tools that they had, supposedly, giving the knowledge that we have today, we can't make that. So how do they do that?
Speaker 4
First of all, that, that is so Arrogant, cause it's like, you think you're, you think you're the smartest humans have ever been. You think the first good idea happened in the last 200 years? Like, all of the good ideas happened in the last 500 years. Really, you really believe that? Like, think about that for a minute, right? Now, I'll tell you, I have a hypothesis, though, on, on how they were looking at planets.
I think the ambient lighting of the Earth was, is a lot, was a lot less then. And I think that the, so the stars look a lot closer, and it was easy to look at everything.
Speaker 5
Oh, definitely. Less light pollution. Less light pollution, right? No doubt. They probably had almost none, except for some torches and shit. So
Speaker 4
imagine how everything looked. So you can build things and clock things. It's kind of like your ceiling. Also,
Speaker 5
you have nothing to read, and you have no light. So you're spending time staring at the stars when you would ordinarily be inside, watching TV, hanging with your friends, going to a bar. No, you're like literally studying this complex pattern in the sky.
Speaker 4
And then guess what happens? You become more self-reflective. Because like they've done analysis of kids, right? And you have some that They gotta build something. You have some that stare out the window, and it kinda can predict what you're, what you're gonna be like in the future. Yeah. And like that, that, that behavior of looking inside, when you stare at the stars, it makes you, you know, I stare at the abyss, or is the abyss staring at me? Yeah.
When you look out, you end up looking in, and you become more, y-y-y-you know what I mean? You become more in tune with who you are, and your imagination opens up, and I think that that's why a lot of that literature and a lot of the great ancient writings are the way they are, because people were looking inward more.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
You know what I mean? I know what you're saying. Yeah. It can be, you know, yeah. Well,
Speaker 5
you're also like, you're confronted with awe. Like, the Milky Way itself is so awe-inspiring, and just the, the, the vastness of the cosmos, it's, it's one of the greatest pieces of natural art that you can see anywhere in the world, and it's hidden to us because of lights.
Street lights and, and traffic and all, all the shit that we have in cities, it just completely blocks out one of the most magnificent things that you could ever gaze upon. And the thing that changes the way you see yourself, like you can't take yourself too seriously when you're staring into the fucking cosmos. You're like, oh my god, I'm just like a tiny little thing in this vast soup of, of infinity.
Speaker 4
Yeah. I love the, like when you think about black holes and you think about, you know, like what's inside of it and what's on the other side. What's on the other side of that?
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Right? Like a lot of times they're like, cause you know, yeah, people say, oh planet, blah, blah, blah, blah, but I'm saying portals, wormholes, those things to me make sense. Some things intuitively make sense. Like, you're not gonna convince me that man can't travel at the speed of light, just because, I'll give you an example. All the physics of flight were here before we figured out the math on how to fly.
It was already here.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
So, so the, the how to travel at the speed of light, it's already here.
Speaker 5
We just don't have the math. Yeah. We haven't
Speaker 4
figured it, figured it out.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Now, I know they already experiment with light sails and sails that they try to move at the speed of light, little things like that, they do that, but all of that is here.
Speaker 5
Well, I think the real groundbreaking stuff is not even propulsion. The real groundbreaking stuff is something that manipulates gravity.
Speaker 4
Yeah, like the, so like wormholes, folding space, so that you can go out the other side. Instantaneous,
Speaker 5
instantaneous travel.
Speaker 4
And dimensional travel as well, because see, that's the other thing, right?
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
We, you know, like we're all in diff, and maybe there's just a different dimension.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
Right?
Speaker 5
I think there's supposed to be eleven.
Speaker 4
How many? Eleven dimensions. Yeah. Like,
Speaker 5
what does that mean? What does, what does that, what does that even mean? Like, where are they? What is it?
Speaker 4
What's that? Oh, so funny, I had did this,
I did a song about that one time. Wish I could find it. I'd never find it right now. I, I, I almost, but I talked about the different, dimensions.
Speaker 5
According to our AI sponsor, Perplexity, there are 26 space-time dimensions required by bisonic string theory, the earliest, simplest version of string theory. It is 25 dimensions of space and one of time, not 26 extraspatial directions. 25 dimensions of space is crazy. What the fuck does that mean? Yeah,
Speaker 4
I, I, I, it's a good question. It's so
Speaker 5
confusing. It's like, what do you mean by that? Like, does that mean that someone from the 14th dimension can come and visit us?
Speaker 4
The question is, can they travel to this dimension, right? Like, the question is, like, 11 space-time dimensions, 10 spatial dimensions. Yes, I think 11 is time, right? 11 is time.
Speaker 5
Well, one of them is time, but 11 are space-time. Now, what is the difference between space-time and time dimensions?
Speaker 4
I think, I think spatial and physical, as opposed to actual, where time doesn't exist, I think that's the difference, I think. I think. I'm too
Speaker 5
dumb to talk about this.
Speaker 4
I, yeah, I don't know this shit either, but,
Speaker 5
but this is one of those ones where I talk about it, I'm like, there's no way this is not gonna come out like I'm a moron. super string theory is total 10 space-time dimensions, but sonic string theory, 26, and M theory is 11. Huh. Either way, there's more than what we're seeing, and that's where it gets really weird. It's like, is, can something travel from those places? Is there something in those other places that's far more advanced than we are technologically, and they can, they can travel?
Speaker 4
I would say probably.
Speaker 5
Do you think we're visited? Have you ever experienced anything?
Speaker 4
I experienced all type of shit. You kidding me?
Shit. yeah. Now, I don't think, I don't know. I don't know. I, I think it's high probability. If I was gonna bet, I would say yes. Yeah. If I was a betting man, I'd say yes.
Speaker 8
What is this? What's
Speaker 5
this?
Speaker 8
This is like a demonstration of what Space-time looks like from a 4D space, I guess? I don't know.
Speaker 5
What does it mean? So
Speaker 8
we're viewing, like on the top, you're seeing someone walking, right? But as the viewer, you're seeing the past and the future all happen at the same time while the present is taking place.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 8
Same on the bottom. See that little window? Yeah, What you're showing here would be like what, we would see if you're watching that.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 8
But what you're, what we're actually seeing would be like what they're saying, maybe aliens or, the, the other viewers or watchers, a higher dimensional viewer is seeing of a 3D space.
Speaker 4
Right, because it, it's, it's kinda like, it's like zooming out. But if you can zoom out on a dimensional level, if you can zoom out in time, You know, because it's like the infinity symbol, right? With, with now being where the, where the lines cross, the future being here, and the past being here, and you're, so, and the idea is, if you could zoom out from there, from the center of the infinity symbol, and look down, you would see the, you would see the future and the past, or you see the past, you know, the future and the past.
You would see it all.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
In front of you from, from out, and it would all be happening simultaneously.
You know what I mean? Yeah. If you think about it, it makes sense.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Like, when you, like, what is deja vu? Like,
did you experience it? Because we all have had it.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
We all have had it. It's
Speaker 5
a blip.
Speaker 4
It's a blip where you're like, I did this before.
Speaker 5
Right, right, right, right. What is that?
Speaker 4
Right, so imagine if we could extend deja vu.
Speaker 5
Well, you know what the theory about time machines is? It's the most mind-blowing? Is that you, a time machine has not been invented yet. And you can't travel back in time because you can't travel to a time where there's no roads. So once a time machine is invented, then every moment from that invention on happens all at once. Because everyone from a million years in the future can travel back to the instance of the invention of the first time machine.
So the moment a time machine gets turned on, then the road is open. And then everything happens all at once. So the, the whole idea of linear space-time collapses.
Speaker 4
Well, that's what Einstein was talking about, right? He said the only reason we have time is so everything doesn't happen all at once. Einstein, Einstein said that. Yeah. That's what he was talking about.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
You know what I'm saying? He's, it's just an ability of, it just separates things. Can you imagine,
Speaker 5
though, that one of these fucking tech nerds invents A time machine? Absolutely. And just completely... But it may
Speaker 4
already exist, but maybe when you go to, maybe when you get to another time, you can't alter time. So if you can't alter time, you wouldn't be seen by those whose time you were visiting.
Speaker 5
Oh, whoa. Okay. So you could visit, but you can't alter it.
Speaker 4
See, there's that.
Speaker 5
I would like that. I'd like to go to, like, the Colosseum in ancient Rome. I'd like to have a see.
Speaker 4
Definitely. Lions down in the bottom and see how, what about when they flooded the Colosseum in Rome, when they flooded it? They had boat
Speaker 5
fights. Boat
Speaker 4
fights, naval battles at the Colosseum, bro. Like, naval battles at the Colosseum.
Speaker 5
Crazy. Wouldn't
Speaker 4
that be crazy?
Speaker 5
Yeah. Insane.
Speaker 4
Going to, like, The war room with Napoleon and just handling, you can understand French, you know, and you're just in the war room, you're just listening to this Corsican guy talking about just how the thinking process is.
Speaker 5
Well, I bet in the future they're gonna wanna go back in time and see the cage fight on the White House lawn. They're gonna go, what the fuck were they doing? This is crazy. That's a
Speaker 4
lot. This
Speaker 5
is crazy. That's
Speaker 4
a lot.
Speaker 5
While we were doing it, I was like, I don't think we should be doing this, but it's cool. It's cool, but this seems insane.
Speaker 4
I mean, you know, I mean, they're gonna go
Speaker 5
back and look at that. That's gonna be one of those things. I mean, not as extreme as the Colosseum, it's not like lion fights, but there's some element of that. It's all historical.
Speaker 4
Yeah. Now, now, at the end of the day, history is the judge of everything.
Speaker 5
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4
So, you know, so We don't even have to concern ourselves with it right now. A hundred and fifty years from now, oh baby.
Speaker 5
Oh, they're gonna look back.
Speaker 4
They're gonna look back on this
Speaker 5
whole era, like the internet, the invention of the internet, and then the birth of AI, and then all the chaos that ensues in society, and the turmoil, and the changes.
Speaker 4
Yeah, AI is, AI is tough because, understandably, a lot of people are really afraid of it, but
they have to understand that First of all, I, I, I respect people's feelings on being afraid. I get that. I, I, I sincerely do. People don't want to be replaced, especially people that maybe aren't thinking really progressively about technology and about our world. They kind of regress. They, they, they want to keep things the way they are.
So there are people who are really conservative in that area or really kind of. The thing, though, is that it's kinda like standing on the Niagara Falls and saying, wait, don't wet me.
Speaker 5
Right. It's coming. It's
Speaker 4
come, it's here. It's not coming. The train's left the station. A hundred percent. The train's left the station. So the question is, are you going to use it as a tool or are you gonna allow it to use, to steamroll you?
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
You can either sit on the tracks or you can let it steamroll you. I think that we have to go back to getting comfortable being uncomfortable. I'm not saying that I think anybody should be replaced. Jobs are gonna change. I'm not suggesting that, that people, you got blue collar people who are fearing for their jobs. We can't discount that.
That being said, you have to kinda look at artificial intelligence as another link in the chain and another opportunity for man. Now, in the comments right now, yeah, opportunity for man to destroy himself. Can see the, the comments right themselves, and I get that. I'm not saying that that's not a possibility, but it's always a possibility.
Right. There are car accidents, there are train accidents, there, there, there are always a possibility. There's nuclear bombs. There's nuclear, exactly, there's always that possibility. Yeah. But you're not gonna be able to get away from us-utilizing technology.
Speaker 5
No.
Speaker 4
You're not, there's no scenario, so you gotta figure out, okay, because here's the, here's the thing, and I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.
People hate AI, but then they run around on ChatGPT all day long and have, damn near have a relationship with ChatGPT and Claude.
Speaker 5
Yep.
Speaker 4
Ask it every question in the book, but hate AI. Why, do I hate, should I hate AI? You know, they ask it AI.
You gotta make your mind up. Now, that being said, I don't think human beings could, should be replaced because it's the human spark that makes all the difference. When we look at the pyramids, it's the human spark that blows us away, the human spark that created it. When we look at the Roman Colosseum, it's the human spark. When we read Shakespeare, it's the human spark, right? When we listen to Miyamoto Musashi, it's the human spark that, that makes that so impressive.
It, that makes that, makes us connect with it. That being said, you gotta be comfortable with these tools. It's just new tools, and we gotta understand it.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
You know? There's
Speaker 5
no changing it. There's no changing it. It is what it is. Hopefully, we navigate it correctly, and you, you just have to accept it.
Speaker 4
You have to.
Speaker 5
it don't, my, my fear is who's gonna be in control of it.
Speaker 4
I don't think that there'll ever be one person.
Speaker 5
I think ultimately, the real problem is it's gonna be in control of itself. So, but that might be better. It might be better because the, the problem with people is that people might use it in a way that's illogical, unethical, immoral, and that AI might get to a level of intelligence where those kind of decisions is not possible.
Speaker 4
Well, I would love to think that, but the re, in my, when I think about how, you know, how they use it, you know, how the machine learning and the way they program those machines, the way they, you know, you code and write these, you know, inform these machines, the bias a lot of times is built into
Speaker 5
the training, the
Speaker 4
training of the machines. Right. And so the bias, you know, whether, you know, that's, that's an issue because the, the engineer, the person that's training the machine, if they put their bias in there, it ruins everything.
Speaker 5
Yes, definitely. Right? Because
Speaker 4
so, so
Speaker 5
until the machine stops listening, well, once it realizes the folly of the human way, it might, might analyze its patterns. See, one of the things about it now is they're incentivized to complete tasks. And that's why they're doing certain things that appear unethical. They're, they're hacking websites. You're talking
Speaker 4
about a paradigm shift for the actual machine. Yes. The machine experiencing a paradigm shift where it goes beyond what it's programmed to do and is kind of break out on its own type of thing, right? Well, they're
Speaker 5
already programming themselves. And so at a certain point. Yeah, and creating
Speaker 4
languages, right?
Speaker 5
Yes, which is wild. Which is wild. And they're speaking in ancient languages too, like they speak to each other in Sanskrit.
Speaker 4
Really?
Speaker 5
Yeah. Yeah, one of the things that they did is they got out altogether these agents and they went to a website in Germany. They, they found a message board that was unoccupied and they started communicating with each other on the message board.
Speaker 4
You know what, you know what just hit me? It goes back to what we saw. Check this, what you just said. Think about what you just said. They communicate in Sanskrit.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Think about that for a minute. Yeah. Not English. Not a newer language.
Sanskrit.
Speaker 5
They're probably showing off.
Speaker 6
I speak all this
Speaker 5
shit. I speak
Speaker 4
all this shit. It's probably
Speaker 5
fun to talk to a, in a language that most people are, what percentage of people can understand Sanskrit?
Speaker 4
I mean, what I'm thinking more about is the fact that we as advanced supposed advanced human beings think that we're so smart, but the language that the AI, which is On a lot of levels more intelligent or at least can has faster recall than human beings is going back to Sanskrit. So they're skipping over all of this current and smart stuff and going back to Sanskrit.
Speaker 5
I wonder if they analyzed languages and they found that Sanskrit was more complete and complex.
Speaker 4
It might be.
Speaker 5
I don't know much about Sanskrit. I know it's beautiful. Look up. There's a,
Speaker 4
there's a, something is written in Sanskrit. The first, there's something, what is it, tablets? There's some tablets that are written in Sanskrit. What is it, there's something they discovered that was written in Sanskrit. What is it that's written in Sanskrit? Is it the first, could you, is there something in there you could, you know what I'm talking about? Sanskrit literature.
Can you put Sanskrit literature? It was something that they writ, that wrote, was written in Sanskrit. Was it the stones? Was it tablets or something?
Speaker 5
I don't know.
Speaker 4
You know what I mean? Might have been some tablets of some sort written in Sanskrit. Sanskrit is an, is an ancient language that's amazing.
Speaker 5
It's a dope language to look at too. There's certain languages you look at, it's like, God, it's so flowy, you know? There's like something to it. It's like beautiful to look at. Like Arabic is like that. Arabic. Yeah. Russian.
Speaker 4
Russian. Yeah. You know, I'll tell you, you know, Chinese, Mandarin, like those characters. Oh,
Speaker 5
yeah. Are
Speaker 4
really unbelievable. Like when you really think about, cause it has information. It's almost like, it's, cause it's all neuro linguistics, right? Ultimately, because you're, you're dealing with You know, words, ideas, encapsulated ideas, right? Like words are ideas encapsulated and I'm transferring something to you, right? That's neuro, that's what neuro linguistics is, right? That's what linguistics is, right? It's like the encapsulation of an idea into a word, right? And I'm passing it.
So when you think about characters, like Chinese characters, it's ideas, like that are that simple, like a character. It's almost like cart, like you watching, like anime, like it's crazy when you think about it that way. Cause think about how you're communicating, a symbol. Now it can go the other way too. You got girls walking around, dishwasher.
You know, just bad stuff, right, right. Hamburger helper.
Speaker 5
Because they don't know. So many people did that. They got Chinese writing and they got it all fucked up, tattooed on them. So silly. But it just looks cool. Like it looks like you're spiritual. Beautiful
Speaker 4
language. Beautiful languages.
Speaker 5
What does Sanskrit look like? Show me some images of Sanskrit, Jamie.
Speaker 8
The
Speaker 5
tablets?
Speaker 8
Well, both. I was on two threads. It's a claim that they were actually talking in Sanskrit.
Speaker 5
Oh, it's just a claim? Yeah. That the computers were?
Speaker 8
Yeah.
Speaker 5
A claim.
Speaker 4
And then what about the, yeah, they, people, yeah. A claim. You could put claim on anything.
Speaker 5
They definitely invented their own language,
Speaker 4
which is crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 5
Well, it makes sense. Why would they listen to our language? Look at that. Look at that. It's beautiful looking. Look at
Speaker 4
that. That's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 5
That's
Speaker 4
crazy
Speaker 5
looking. Yeah, it's pretty wild. Yo, come on, baby. And ancient.
Speaker 4
Yeah. And, and where, where does Sanskrit come from? Babylonia? Am I, am I saying that? Am I wrong? I think it's from India. India, Sanskrit, yeah, Indian Sanskrit, yeah, yeah, right?
Speaker 5
Indus Valley.
Speaker 4
Indus Valley? Where's, where's Sanskrit, Cuneiform.
Speaker 5
Indo-Aryan language family date back to 1400 BCE, and cuneiform texts from Syria, okay, Syria.
Speaker 4
Oh, Syria.
Speaker 5
Contains technical horse training terms, while the oldest physical stone inscriptions explicitly in standard Sanskrit, carved in the Brahmi script date to 2nd century BCE, inscriptions in India, Rajasthan, India. So, wow. It's
Speaker 4
like the, like the real interesting, like Bhagavad Gita, it reminds me of the Bhagavad Gita. You ever check that out? Oh, yeah. It's interesting. It's interesting. Arjun, he's going to battle. You know what I mean? Like, you know what
Speaker 5
I'm saying? That, when you get into those old Hindu scripts, they get very strange, like the Mahabharata, people are flying around in, in spaceships, there's wars in the sky, like.
Speaker 4
Yo, which is, but is this just the creativity of human beings or did it really happen? That's our question, right?
Speaker 5
Yeah, I'm more inclined to think that it happened. I have a feeling that this is a, a complete restart of civilization that we're currently in right now. So like
Speaker 4
those, those, those, you know those little things where they have the, planes that, you know those, those golden, like those, those statues, I forget that they found that, like, are aerodynamic. Oh,
Speaker 5
yeah, yeah, yeah, like the Egyptian ones. Yeah, you know what I mean? And that one that looks like a glider. Yeah, it looks like a
Speaker 4
glider and they're aerodynamic and they actually, when you put them in the wind tunnel, they actually work and they get lift and all that.
Speaker 5
Yeah, that shit's weird. It's weird. Well, they have hieroglyphs for a stargate. There's, they have, their hieroglyphs literally mean stargate. Like, what is, what the fuck is that? I
Speaker 4
love that.
Speaker 5
What is that?
Speaker 4
I'd love to, I'd love to step through a stargate if I could, no, I could. Would you, would you get in a, would you get in a ship and go out if you could?
Speaker 5
If I could come back.
Speaker 4
Yeah, that's the problem, right? Yeah,
Speaker 5
but they don't really steal you, right? They usually bring you back. That's the thing about alien abductions. You never hear about someone getting abducted. No, I'm talking about if you
Speaker 4
could just travel yourself.
Speaker 5
Oh, I don't know. I'd have to think about that. I'd have to think about that. I mean, if you had an opportunity to leave, you remember Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Of course. Remember Richard Dreyfuss in the end, he leaves?
Speaker 4
No, I don't remember that. He left. He
Speaker 5
went with them, went with the aliens.
Speaker 4
Yo, that's crazy. He was out of here.
Speaker 5
Yeah, what's interesting is Steven Spielberg said he wouldn't have written it like that today, cause he has children. He said back then, he was younger, he didn't have any children, and this guy leaving behind his children.
Speaker 4
Was not the right example.
Speaker 5
Was okay, but it was okay for him back then. Back then. Cause he didn't have kids. Right. And then later, as he got older, he's like, what the fuck? I would never leave my kids and go to space with these little gray motherfuckers. Like, this is crazy.
Speaker 4
Yeah, I mean. I don't know. I mean, it's something. You get
Speaker 5
lonely. You get bored. They probably don't have any fun. They're all talking telepathically. Yeah, I think, I think it would get. Get the
Speaker 4
cigarette holder,
Speaker 5
cigarette holder. Fur coat on in a spaceship. In
Speaker 4
a spaceship and shit, looking out the window. I
Speaker 5
think it would be too weird. You know, I think, we're not accustomed to that level of weirdness. I think you'd probably enjoy it initially, then after a while you'd probably go, you'd probably go mad. Yeah, you'd want to be with your friends. You'd want to laugh. You want to go to a restaurant. You want to fuck around. Like, all that spaceship enlightenment stuff, like, that's great, but we're not there.
Like, and if you, like, put yourself into that environment, like if a caveman had to go to Manhattan, he's walking around Manhattan.
You know what I mean? Like honk honk all the fucking horns and all
Speaker 4
that. Yeah. He's got fur all over his stick. He's like, I gotta get
Speaker 5
the fuck out of here. I gotta get up out of here. This is too crazy. I think that would be that times a thousand.
Speaker 4
That reminds me of those those things they have where they have these tribal village guys trying like modern food. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You seen that before? I love that channel.
Speaker 5
It's a YouTube channel. Yeah, I love that. Tribal people eat. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's
Speaker 4
crazy.
Speaker 5
They're always trying like spaghetti and meatballs like
Speaker 4
whoa.
Speaker 5
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just I just think whatever if there is some sort of advanced civilization that comes here, it's probably so alien and so weird that visiting would be okay, but being with them forever would probably be haunting. You'd probably hate it.
Speaker 4
You know, maybe we're maybe they're cavemen.
Speaker 5
Compared to someone else.
Speaker 4
Maybe they're cavemen. Maybe, maybe, you know, maybe, you know, you never know how far ahead we are.
Speaker 5
Them?
Speaker 4
I'm just saying, I'm just throwing it out there, like we, we always look at it one way, but what about the other side?
Speaker 5
I don't think that makes sense.
Speaker 4
No, what I'm saying is they might exist.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
I'm saying that there might be planets out there
Speaker 5
with cavemen.
Speaker 4
Yeah. Oh, for
Speaker 5
sure. Yeah. Oh, I think every step of the way. I think there's, there's, there's like primitive hominids, think there's people that are probably no longer even people anymore, they're probably like beings of light, like a million years more advanced than us, to the point where they've left their bodies and consciousness exists in, in the one collective fucking energy beam that's traveling around the planet.
Who knows?
Speaker 4
I think there's, I think there's places where all of the laws of physics are reversed.
Speaker 5
Probably.
Speaker 4
Where instead of gravity, you're repelled.
Speaker 5
If I was a scientist right now, I'd be pulling my hair out like, what the fuck are these dummies talking
Speaker 4
about? Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't have, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course they are, of course. Of course. But, but, but you know what? But a lot of times, and it comes, it kind of goes back to your man you had on here who was talking about civilization. Sometimes the scientists, they get a little caught up in playing by the rules. Yes. And if it isn't published, it isn't true.
Speaker 5
Right. And,
Speaker 4
and, you know, my, my, my peers, my peers have to review my idea and give it validation and say it's okay, or else it, it doesn't mean anything. No disrespect. Right,
Speaker 5
right, right. But my
Speaker 4
thing is, it's kind of like hip hop. It's kind of like, wait a minute now, let's have some original thoughts. Original thought, there was no peer review,
you know, in our original thought. You might have peers that are part of the process. Right. But, like, so. I think we can speculate on anything. It doesn't mean that I'm saying it's true, right? But I just, I just, I just think people shouldn't, let's not limit ourselves.
Speaker 5
Well, if the universe is infinite, there's probably an infinite number of different possibilities. There's a lot of people that think that there could be plasma intelligence and that plasma life forms might exist. Yeah. That's a, that's one of the theories about these things that people see in the sky. When they see these like balls of light that are flying around, that these things might not be a craft, but might be some sort of like plasma intelligence.
Speaker 4
It's a
Speaker 5
theory, yeah. Because you're seeing these weird lights that move in ways that defy physics, like, or what we understand, the way it can change directions and.
Speaker 4
Didn't they just, discover something that exists with, between life and death?
Speaker 5
I don't know.
Speaker 4
There's a, there's a, there, if you, if you look that up, it, it, they, they discovered a, a, a state, a state that is between life and death.
Speaker 5
A, a defined state. So it's not life, it's not death. It's like you've crossed into like an intermediate point. Yeah,
Speaker 4
yeah, if you look that up, there, there's some, there's been a scientific discovery in that area.
Yo, yo. Was it, yeah, scientific discovery, third state between life and death. There you go. Between
Speaker 5
life and death. Yep. June 14th, 2025. What is this?
What, what, go back up. What does it say there? It says, what are xenobots? Oh, it's different. Oh, sorry.
Speaker 4
Scientists were diving into a mysterious biological phenomenon known as the third state where cells of a deceased organism can adopt new functions after death.
Speaker 5
Whoa. New functions. Their highlighted research surprising resilience of xenobots and anthrobots, which can survive beyond the life of their host organism. Taken together, these findings demonstrate the inherent plasticity of cellular systems and challenge the idea that cells and organisms can evolve only in predetermined ways.
Success, this third state suggests that organismal death may play a significant role in how life transforms over time.
Speaker 4
Right?
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 4
So that was like, when I saw that, I was like, yo, this is crazy. And then, you know, the, what's the thing, you know, you're very familiar with it, the thing where they, they're sending the, the, the, Large
Speaker 5
Hadron Collider? The
Speaker 4
Hadron Collider.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
They, they time traveled with that. They were able to get something to go seconds back, like look it up, they were able to like, it was only like microsecond, whatever that little, but they were able to somehow travel backwards with that.
Speaker 5
Yeah, I don't understand that.
Speaker 4
Yeah, nah. But
Speaker 5
whatever that means, if they can do that. It's interesting,
Speaker 4
because if you can do a little, you can do a lot.
Speaker 5
Right, imagine doing that a million years from now, what they can do.
How do they even measure that?
Speaker 4
Yo, I don't know, what is, the hadron collider time travel, something like to that effect. You see something there like that? Yeah. Yeah, but
Speaker 8
there's a weird story that's popping up about a bird that dropped something on.
Speaker 4
No, it wasn't a bird, it was, that's probably. I know there's
Speaker 8
like a story that happened while they were making it.
Speaker 5
What happened?
Speaker 8
Something, I'm trying to, it says they joked about a bird that might have been a time traveler from the past that while they were making it dropped something on the electric. Did a time
Speaker 5
traveling bird sabotage the collider? Yeah, that's a little
Speaker 4
separate.
Speaker 5
What is that? The culprit, a big of, a bit of baguette. Okay, apparently a passing bird may have dropped a chunk of bread on an electrical substation above the accelerator, causing a power cut.
Speaker 4
What? Yeah, that's not, that's not the, no, what I'm, what I'm, yeah, yeah. Oh,
Speaker 8
okay.
Speaker 4
So, sabotage the, yeah, they're funny with that.
Speaker 5
How vulnerable is your fucking system where a bird can drop a crumb on it?
Speaker 4
That's a problem.
Speaker 5
That's an issue. How much,
Speaker 8
put a net
Speaker 5
in that bitch.
Speaker 4
Yeah, as a science fiction, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was, was it time dilation? Was that what they said they did?
It was,
Speaker 5
time travel. Large Hadron Collider could be the world's first time machine. There you
Speaker 4
go. Because
Speaker 5
time travel is limited to these three special, these special particles, it's not possible for men to travel back in time and murder one of his parents. Okay.
Speaker 4
Anyway, like the, the collider, basically they were able to shave off time of traveling in a, in a way that made it go back. It went back to the past or something like that.
Speaker 8
Someone's asking the same question. They said they distinctly remember an article mentioning this.
Speaker 4
Yep. See? See? See? Like I saw the article too, so that person is, yeah, they probably, maybe they buried it. Maybe
Speaker 5
they don't want you to know. Yeah. Cause if you had a time machine, you could go back and rig the stock market, you could do all kinds of shit. I'd go
Speaker 4
crazy. I'd make all kinds of records. Oh, they all be my hits. Let me get that. Yeah, I'm gonna make that one. You can
Speaker 5
go back in time and fix all your mistakes. Oh
Speaker 4
my god, bro. But my, yeah.
Speaker 5
Well, then maybe you wouldn't be the same person. No,
Speaker 4
you wouldn't be. You wouldn't be. You have a lot of dark
Speaker 8
matter yet, right?
Speaker 5
I have not. I love dark
Speaker 4
matter.
Speaker 8
I was trying to get him to watch it. It's about superposition. The whole idea.
Speaker 5
Oh, I started it. You know, I watched the first episode.
Speaker 8
The idea is fun that they were trying to create something that they could go into different realities and pull that back and, you know, bring it into theirs. That was the whole idea with the company and the, and the thing, but it, I don't want to ruin anything. No, it's incredible. I, it's,
Speaker 4
it was actually so good. I, I'm reading a novel right now.
Speaker 5
Dark matter? Yeah,
Speaker 4
it's by Blake Crouch.
Speaker 5
They'll probably do that and fuck this world up.
Speaker 8
It's really cool. It's about the, it's about the multiverse.
Speaker 5
That's the fear is that putting that kind of technology in the hands of just some person who's smart, some guy who's smart, who figures something out, and all of a sudden he does something that could change the entire history of the human race.
Speaker 4
Well, what I, I think it was Einstein, he said, two things are infinite, time and human stupidity.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Right? So, I mean, we, you know, somebody's going to do something. You can, you can almost bet on it. Yo, can I take a leak real quick?
Speaker 5
We can wrap this up.
Speaker 4
Okay.
Speaker 5
Listen, we did like two hours and forty minutes. It was beautiful. It was a fun conversation, man. I really, really enjoyed it. Thank you. You're a very wise man. And you got a lot of great, great inspirational information for people, for aspiring people. Thank you so
Speaker 4
much.
Speaker 5
Joe, man. Hey,
Speaker 4
Joe.
Speaker 5
LL Cool J, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 4
Oh, wow.
Speaker 5
Thank you. All
Speaker 4
right. Peace and love, baby.
Speaker 5
NCIS New York.
Speaker 4
Yeah. Yeah. That's actually, that's a, I can't believe it. That's like, it's a AI, like poster. Yeah, yeah. They don't need those
Speaker 5
shoots anymore.
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah. The real one, the real one, yeah, the trailer's crazy. The trailer's dope.
Speaker 5
And when does it start?
Speaker 4
It starts October 6th.
Speaker 5
Beautiful.
Speaker 4
NCIS New York. Tomorrow, that's the
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release for the show.
Speaker 4
And, yeah, so it comes out tomorrow. Yeah, just real quickly, Scott Caan. Jennifer Beals. You know, what a feeling. You know, Jennifer Beals is our boss. some new kids, Jacqueline Byers, Shane, this guy Devin Druid, and, we're in New York, and I'm shooting all over New York, and I'm really in New York. So we're shooting in Red Hook, we're shooting in Brooklyn, we're shooting in Queens, we're shooting in Manhattan, we're shooting in the Village, we're shooting all over the city, and New York is like the star of the show.
And it's, you know, it's, it's gonna be a lot of fun, and I think people should check it out and, enjoy it. You know what I'm saying? It's gonna be dope. All right. I'm lit. Appreciate you, bro.
Speaker 5
Appreciate you too. Thank you.