Full Transcript for #2566 - Cody Tucker

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Cody, what's happening? Hey man. Good to see you brother. I know. You wrote a book. Look at you, you're a fucking author. A second one. I never wrote a book. Oh, is it your second book? Yeah, I remember last time I was here to write a book. Oh, that's right. That's right. Where did that come from? I still, I mean, I marvel at your Instagram page.

Your Instagram page is excellent. It's one of the best ones I've followed, for sure. But I just marvel at the fact that you're constantly able to create content. Like these non sequitur, very bizarre facts and strange coincidences. Like, how the fuck are you doing this? Dude, I read so much. And I'm a pretty quick reader. Like, I've always been very fast, like a good skimmer.

And yeah, I just like all day every day. That's all I do. So you read, and then you go, oh, that one's crazy. And you just write it down? Yeah, so like, whatever I'm reading, like say I'm reading a book on, I don't know, like Ben Franklin. I'll, anything that comes up that I'm like, oh, that's pretty interesting. I don't think a lot of people know about that.

Highlight. And then I go through, piece all together, check and make sure it's all, you know, real. And yeah. And then dive into other things off of that. Like kind of spider web out and go down rabbit holes. I'm in a perpetual rabbit hole. Constantly? Constantly. All day, every day. Rabbit holes. What is that like? It can get weird. Yeah.

I mean, there's some times where I'm like, ooh, I hope, you know, I hope the FBI is enjoying what they're seeing. Good Lord. Like, I didn't want to be here today. But yeah, it can get a little odd. Yeah. Yeah, because you're constantly like researching crimes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Murders, weird things that have been done to people over time. Speaking of, you know, the Debbie Harry story.

Well, that she thinks may have happened. I don't know if I buy it. Really? Tell people what it is. Okay, so. The Ted Bundy one. So, yeah. So, Debbie Harry believes that sometime in the early 70s or late 60s that she was picked up by a man driving a Volkswagen Beetle and that that car didn't have indoor handles and she escaped and she believes that it was Ted Bundy.

But if you look it up, like on, you know, like a timeline of events, he was not anywhere around there at that time. So, it could just be another guy doing creepy things. Yeah. When there's one, there's many, you know. Yeah, I'm sure that's not the first time a guy's figured out a way to close off the handles on the inside of his car. Oh, it won't be the last.

Trap people. Yeah, I'm working on it right now. Ha! I watched a video today where this young man in India robbed a guy with scopolamine. What the hell is that? Okay. I'm so glad I get to tell you something that you don't know. Oh, yeah. I don't. If it's science related or anything like that, I'm probably not going to know anything. Well, it's crime related as well.

Okay. Scopolamine is a drug that is, I guess it's in the class of deliriant. And if inhaled, you literally become like a prisoner to whoever gave you the drug. Like you become like a zombie. Really? Yeah. It is like a zombie drug. Not only is it real, but it's also the active ingredient in anti -seasickness medication. So when you take dramamine...

I'm the captain now. Dramamine. Ha! Yeah. Look at me. That's what he was doing. They blew it right in Hanks' face. Scopolamine is one of the ingredients in dramamine. Oh. So I don't know. I guess it's a very small dose, but in a larger dose. So this guy, this young guy came up behind this guy in India and he put it on his neck. And the guy touches his neck.

And then all of a sudden he just keeps touching his neck. And the guy just takes his bag off of him, takes his wallet out of his pocket, takes his phone out of his other pocket and walks off. And the guy's just standing there, just helpless. Lost and helpless. That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard? Yeah. That's so crazy. God. What do they refer to it as? There's a...

Devil's breath? Devil's breath. That's right. In Columbia, the drug dealers use it to force people to do things. Yeah. Okay. They blow it in their face. And when you inhale it, it's like they literally just come up to you. Right. Where have I seen that in a movie? There was a zombie movie a long time ago. Serpent in the Rainbow? That's right.

Oh, I love that movie. Yeah. Great movie. I'm so glad we just brought that up. I forgot about that movie. Yeah. Serpent in the Rainbow is one of my... I used to watch that all the time when I was a kid. Like five or six. Well, they think that that might be a part of the whole zombie lore that Skopalamin used. Okay. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. It's apparently... See if there's any videos of people getting dosed with Skopalamin? Because I didn't know that people did it to rob people. And this guy in India, he just like touched some of it on this guy's neck. Right, right. He was standing behind him and he was looking at the guy's bag and looking the guy over.

The guy's waiting to cross the street. And he just reaches and touches the side of his neck with it. So it's potent as hell. Potent as hell. Man. Well, he didn't go unconscious. Yeah. But he immediately was just like, what the hell? And then it was just like, just delirious. Just moving around weird. And the guy just took a shit. I wonder where you buy that.

That's a good question. Hmm. Maybe you shouldn't search that either. Well, I'll search for it or something. What's that, Jay? There's patches of it for motion sickness. Yeah. Motion sickness. But like, how many patches do you have to take before someone could just steal your wallet? That's a question. Do you have to like mummify them? Right.

I know. Right. What do you have to do? Maybe that's where mummies come. Yeah. I, uh. Is there any videos of people? I'm looking at all the videos I'm looking on YouTube are literally a little like, uh, the patches and like people putting them on their neck. There is a Vice documentary from 14 years ago. Hmm. But it's in Columbia. Boy, 14 years ago, Vice was the shit.

Oh man. Did you ever watch, um, the cannibal warlords of, um, uh, Liberia? Liberia. Yeah. Yeah. About General Butt Naked. Yes. Charles Taylor. Oh my God. That's, I've recommended that probably more than I've ever recommended anything in my life. It's so terrifying that they did that. And that, that guy just, he just became a preacher. And all is forgiven.

He was eating kids. Yeah. Eating their hearts. Yeah. Like saving the heart because. Cutting it right out of their chest while they're alive and then eating their heart. And then he found Jesus and all is forgiven. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess that is what it says in there. What a great place to live though, in terms of like actual real forgiveness.

Very few places give you that kind of leeway. Oh, you found Jesus? But didn't he, he caught a guy serving human meat. Yes. Like a guy was serving it like on a stick, you know? While he was a preacher. Right, right. He tasted it and was like, uh -oh, I know this taste. Yeah. And reported them. Yeah. And it was true. Yeah. A guy was killing people and just, you know, turning them into like a.

Lunch counter. A shish kebab. Yeah. Liberia is a fucked up place. So do you know the story of Liberia? About like James Monroe? Or is that Liberia or is that Libya? No, Liberia. Liberia was like a colony that was going to be, you know, like take basically all slaves back to. Exactly. And that's why the capital is Monrovia because it's named after James Monroe.

Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it was literally founded with chaos. Yeah. This episode is presented by Paramount+. The King returns. Sylvester Stallone is back as mob boss Dwight Manfredi in the Paramount Plus hit series Tulsa King. With new enemies closing in and his empire on the line, Dwight and his crew prepare for the biggest fight of their lives.

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We fucked that whole country up. Yeah, what a shock. And then that general butt naked guy would literally take his fucking clothes off fully naked and run into battle with an AK -47. And a machete. Yeah. Normally you just used a machete, which... Whew. Yeah. I don't think it would have the same effect if I did that. Butt naked. Yeah. With a machete.

No, I don't think it would be as... Well, that's probably true. Actually, yeah, I'd probably be even more effective than now. It's a lot of... A lot of fear. A lot of fear coming off of you. A lot of meat. A machete. A lot of meat. Yeah. A lot of meat. AK -47. Not a lot of speed, though. Not a lot of speed. Actually, I'm faster than you would imagine.

A lot of momentum. A lot of mass. Oh, yeah. Once I start, I can't help you stop.

I'm not... I mean, no, I'm faster than you think. You know, all jokes aside. Do you run? Well, if I have to. But how do you know, then? When was the last time you had to run away from something? Okay, so you know how, like, when you're not running, you're not moving, you're storing energy. Okay. Right? You know, like, there's kinetic energy and potential energy.

Wait a minute. This is all I know about science. It really is about this. When you're not moving, you're storing energy? Well, of course you are. Like if you're napping. Well, yeah, because if you're doing something, you're expelling energy. Right. Correct. So you must be storing some whenever you're doing nothing. Like, if I eat and do nothing, I'm building up energy that's ready to go.

Well, I've been doing that for about 15 years. So the amount of energy I have stored up is probably second to none. I don't think that would work in a study. I think if you did a study, I think they'd probably have some other explanations as to what's happening when you just sit still. If I paid the right person, I think the results I wanted.

That's true. Yeah. That's what's crazy. When you find out that we had one of these guys that was on our podcast that was a litigator for these lawsuits against pharmaceutical drug companies. And he's explaining how pharmaceutical drug companies do their peer -reviewed studies. Oh, I'm sure that's. Oh, it's so crazy. So first of all, there's no transparency.

So like, say if you have a drug that you want to release, you could do 10 studies and eight of them show this is complete bullshit. But one or two of them show just some sort of statistically significant improvement in something because you've kind of manipulated all the different controls in the study to make it. Then you get once you have this, if it's peer -reviewed, the scientists do not get to look at the actual data.

Okay. They get to look at the pharmaceutical drug companies, scientists' version of what the study was. Okay. So they only get to use what they're like. So if they have scientists that perform this study, then these scientists submit a report and then that report gets reviewed by peer, it gets peer -reviewed. Not the actual data. Okay. So like no one ever gets to see the actual study.

So that's one of the reasons that they can say crazy things like it's 100% effective. Right, right, right. In stopping death and illness. So when they say it's 100% effective, you know how they say that? So if you have one person in the control group or one person in the vaccine group or the medication group and that person dies and then you have a control group where two people die, well, 100% more died in the control group where they didn't get the medication.

Right. So that means it's 100% effective. I'm not bullshitting. Oh boy, that's a... Isn't that wild? You gotta have a... Oh, to reach that kind of bullshit. Sociopathy. That's amazing. That's sociopathy at a... Well, you're delivering medication that could potentially kill people. And that's how you get things like Vioxx. Yeah. Yeah. See, that's the job I need.

Because I'm very good at that kind of thing. Get it moving words around? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I can make all kinds... I mean, I've been hired at every job I've ever applied to with zero experience in that field. And so... And it was just because I lied. Really? Yeah. Like, what kind of jobs have you had? Oh, it's nothing crazy. I've never been, like, a doctor or anything.

But I mean, it was, you know, working, like, at an eyeglass place or, you know, or a movie theater. You know, like, hey, I've worked at movie theaters for years. So I've never... No. I just lie. And... Well, a movie theater, no one's gonna get hurt. Well, that's what I'm saying. Well, no. I've never worked in a position where people... I did work in a pharmacy.

I guess that could get people hurt. But... Did you say you had a degree? No, I said I was on my way to getting one. Which, I guess, technically is true. Sure. I mean, anyone... Start tomorrow. You're on my way. Yeah. You know? I'm gonna be excited. I just haven't started, but... Speaking of that, how does this happen when the CIA guy that stole all that money, how does he lie about his past to get through the CIA to a point where he can then lie about a fake operation where he steals $150 million? So he faked a college degree and he faked his military service and got into the CIA and was a senior CIA official.

How? Wow. Well, they didn't check. They did the Cody Tucker. No. No, he just didn't keep a straight face. Wow. I mean, he kept a straight face. That's all you gotta do. That guy's wild. What a wild fella he must have been. Yeah, that's... Please tell me there's some cocaine involved in here somewhere. Oh, there has to be. He's got luxury watches, 35 luxury watches, two BMWs.

Well, there's your answer to the cocaine question. Private charter flights, he spent $1 .8 million. Woo! Oh, yeah. Luxury Florida real estate in Palm Beach. But also, he's just got caught. There's no way he came up with this out of a vacuum and just was like, I got an idea. I can take advantage of the CIA in this cool way. Right. I feel like I can do it.

Well, there's no way he's the only one. That's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no. Well, that's where all those stories about the dude from the Tom Cruise movie. What the fuck's his name again? Georgina? No. The Coke dealer. Barry Seals. Oh. Thank you. Barry Seals. Was it American? Is that... Yes. That movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Mena, Arkansas story? Yes.

Yeah. This guy was working for the CIA, going down to Columbia, getting cocaine, flying it into Mena, Arkansas, dropping it off. And, you know, he got busted with it. And then Bill Clinton had him released. That's in the movie. Well, I mean... Yeah. Yeah, I think that was his MO quite a bit. Well, I think the CIA and I think probably a lot of the big government organizations...

Is this the guy's gold? This is the gold in the cash he had in his house. Oh, oh, oh. He had like $3 million in cash and $40 million in gold bars or so. It looks fake. Like, it just looks like a movie. It looks like a prop. Yeah. Well, it's also like the perfect box. Those might be like... Is that how they found it? Or is this like how the government stored it? Probably how they stored it and then took a picture of it.

Because those look like, you know, government Pelican boxes. I mean, maybe it was the ones he bought because I don't know. I feel like if I had that, I'd probably store it pretty nicely. Right. I'd have like LED lights around it and take off all my clothes and dance in front of it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, those could be ones in there and I'd still do that.

It'd be like, you know, Pulp Fiction. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like old light. Yeah. Yeah. He had 30 watches, many of which were Rolexes. Well, congrats. There's a plug for Rolex. Two 2026 BMW Alpinas. Those are the really nice ones. Woo. He's scheduled to be sentenced January 28, 2027. Faces a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison. Three years of supervised release.

Forfeiture. Restitution. And a fine. A fine. Yeah. Meanwhile, they should probably rehire him and go, hey, buddy, how'd you do this? I feel like that's worth it. 20 years. Yeah. To get to live that life. Oh, he probably had a ball. I wonder how long he was doing it for. Did it? No, it didn't really say that, did it? I mean, even if it was like 10 years, you know? 10 years of awesomeness versus 20 years of prison, I feel like is a fair trade.

He probably would have never gotten that awesomeness without that crime. So you got to. And then like maybe he goes to like a fairly. I mean, it's not like he did violent crimes. He's probably not going to go to the worst kind of prison. No, no, no, no, no, no. Not going to go to a supermax. They'll probably put him in some medium security where he gets to read and go do exercises.

Yeah. He could take courses. The Martha Stewart prison. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or the fucking Glenn Maxwell prison. Oh, yeah. That'd be nice. She's kind of in the same prison, right? Yeah, that's probably, yeah, end of somewhere like that. I think I would do it. Isn't she in the same prison as that Elizabeth Holmes lady? The Theranos lady? Yes, she is.

Hilarious. Oh, I can't wait to see that. A sex trafficker and a lady who lied about blood tests. I haven't seen the documentary. It's not out yet, right? I don't think. It comes out this week. Okay. I cannot wait, bro. He's great. Oh, he's excellent. He's amazing. Which I didn't really know about him until like pretty recently. So I've been doing like kind of a, you know, deep dive into just his whole, you know, stuff like on the show.

And it is. He's amazing. He's hilarious. And just so clever. The way he's holding his gaze with her in that little clip is just– her face is just wild. You got to just– you know, like we all have empathy for people. I mean I don't think she killed anybody. So the thing is, here's the problem. When you're dealing with health stuff and you're lying about health tests, you could have killed people.

Because there could have been a guy who had a condition and the condition was not revealed by your Fagazi blood test. Right. And if he had gone to a real doctor like a Quest Diagnostics and get the whole thing done, they would have said, oh, geez, we have to get you in and we have to do some further tests. Oh, it looks like this is elevated.

We have some medication. You're going to be okay. He could have– you know, like there could be some people that took those tests that wound up not knowing about cancer that they had. There could have been a bunch of things where people actually did die. So I take that back. But tradeoff, she also could have told people that they had a bad disease, horrible disease, and then they are in deep despair.

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Oh, well. I think there were– I listened to– there's an excellent podcast. You know, there's podcasts like this one where obviously we didn't even talk before we came in here. We just sat down, shoot the shit. I know you. You know me. We're going to have fun. Oh, yeah. But then there's other podcasts that are like really well produced like Radiolab, which is like a super well produced– or like Dan Carlin's Hardcore History.

Oh, my God. Where he takes months to prepare for each episode. We're barely doing the same thing. I'm not really– they should have a much more elegant name to whatever it is that they do. But they had one– I think it's called The Dropout. And I forget who produced it, but it's all about the Elizabeth Holmes story from the beginning of Theranos to her scammy ex -boyfriend who was also The Dropout.

ABC Audio. It's excellent. I can't recommend it enough. It's fucking really good. And it just goes into long detail about what was going on and how much they knew it was bullshit. It was bullshit. Oh, yeah. Like these people weren't learning anything about what was wrong with them. It didn't work. And they got people– big investors. I think Warren Buffett, he might have dumped $100 million in there.

These people dumped big money in. Yeah. One lady dumped $150 million in there. $150 million? Yeah. And that money is gone. So that lady, when she gets out, her life is in danger. Yeah. She's fucked. Oh, I would do horrible things to people for far less money. $150 million and you find out– the problem is it's like it seemed like such a great story.

You have this woman who's a super genius, basically the female Steve Jobs. She even dresses like him. Yeah. And she is the most successful self -made woman in history. Yeah. She was worth $9 billion at one point in time. If only.

Crazy. Yeah. It's a crazy story. It is amazing. I mean just what a horrible human being. But it's also just like Jamie said. Like how did it get that far? Like Jamie said with the CIA guy. How the fuck did you fake all those things? How did you fake your military career? How do they not check that? I feel like oversight is much more prevalent than what people think.

Or just– Lack of. Lack of oversight. Yeah. Is– You know, people usually aren't very good at their jobs, just in general. Like anytime you work with somebody, you realize, oh, none of us know what we're doing here. And I think that doesn't stop at a certain level. Well. I think most people are just barely able to do their job. Especially in government.

Oh, in government. I mean good lord. That's– The problem is a lot of these jobs don't need to exist. That's one of the weird statistics about California. When California is experiencing this mass exodus, its government grew substantially. Substantially. Yeah. How about that? So they're creating jobs. Like when they talk about– Right, right.

This administration has created over 100 ,000 jobs. They don't tell you how many of those are completely unnecessary government jobs. And so to justify those government jobs, they have to do all kinds of crazy things. Like come up with new regulations and constantly like trying to enforce new laws and tell you it's to protect clean air or clean water or the environment or climate change.

Yeah. Yeah. No, if you can make your own jobs, I mean you can have an endless supply of jobs. Sure. If you are running a government and you decide to regulate some particular aspect of society and then hire a bunch of people to oversee that, then you have new jobs. You have an entire committee. Yeah. And everybody in that committee has their– it's just a pyramid scheme.

Exactly. Which really is. It's like multilevel marketing. But the thing you're selling is even more bullshitty than what most MLMs are selling. Well, it's even scarier because a lot of these bullshitty things, they sell it to the general public under the guise– under this premise that you're going to help people who are in need. Like the homeless situation in California where they've burned through $24 billion and Gavin Newsom vetoes an audit of it.

Yeah. Because what they'll find out– That's a great sign. Is that money probably went to a bunch of nonprofits and probably went to a bunch of NGOs and there was probably a bunch of people that were executives that got paid high six -figure salaries working there. And they have no incentive whatsoever to fix this problem. No. No. You got a nice house in Santa Monica.

You got a mortgage. You're driving around in a Lexus. Yeah. Why would you fix that? No. People don't police themselves typically once they get to a certain level. I think the average person does. They choose to maybe drive the speed limit even if there's not a cop around or whatever. But I think once you get to a certain level when there's that much money involved, yeah, you'll usually just kind of do whatever the hell you want.

Especially if you're in government. Yeah. Or you're in the CIA. Because you're the guy that is going to stop you. Yeah. So like if– oh, you mean I'm the guy who's supposed to bust me? I don't think so. Like I'm– yeah. And you're literally like you're part of the intelligence agency and you've got a closet in your house filled with gold and $100 bills and cocaine.

That would be nice. You've got 30 Rolexes. Yeah. You're fucking– you're balling out of control. Yeah. I'm not slowing that down. Why would he slow down? No, no. They probably feel like, okay, I'm going to make one big score and then I'm going to get out. Yeah. Oh, that's– yeah, yeah. It's heat. Yeah. You know? This is our last one. You know? Michael Douglas was in here yesterday.

I heard. Oh, God. It was great. Oh, God. And one of his crazy stories was his dad, you know, when he turned 18, his dad basically said, look, I'm going to write you a check for $10 ,000 and then that's it. You're cut off. And so the way he fund– and he was like, but I have student loans. I have this and that. So the way he funded his education is he was smuggling marijuana.

Oh, that'll do it. Like huge suitcases. And this is pre -TSA. Yeah, yeah. So he's literally like coming into the country with suitcases filled with marijuana. And he only did it twice. He did it twice. Oh, how do you do it just twice? That's what I said. I'm like, what willpower you have? But he said– It is a lot, yeah. He goes, it was so crazy and so nerve -wracking and there was so much adrenaline and worried about getting caught.

But he made a bunch of money and that's how he financed everything. That's amazing. He produced– didn't he produce One Float of the Cuckoo's Nest? He did with Creedence Clearwater Revival's money. So the manager of John Fogerty– John Fogerty talked about it on the podcast. That guy was a scumbag and he was like stealing his money. Yeah, he sued him for sounding too much like himself.

It was amazing. John Fogerty, you sound too much like John Fogerty. When he left Creedence and started his own band, it was like you sound too much like Creedence. Like, bitch, I wrote all the songs. What the fuck do you want from me? Of course I do. You want me to make a reggae album? I mean, yeah. Yeah, so Creedence Clearwater Revival's money financed One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

That's amazing. Yeah. I did not know the CCR connection. I knew that he produced it. Because I remember watching One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. I was like, what the hell is Michael Douglas' name on this? And he's not even in it. And then I was like, oh yeah, he wasn't even really an actor at that point. He was trying to act. And what was going on was that his father had acquired the rights to the book.

Yeah, from Ken Kesey. Yes. Right? Yeah. Yes. Yeah, yeah. So Ken Kesey from the Kool -Aid acid test. From the whole Timothy Leary tune in, drop out, all that jazz. Discovering the Grateful Dead. Yeah. Kind of. All those people. So he writes the book. And then they're trying to get it made. They can't get it made. And then Michael Douglas says, give me a shot at this.

I think he just becomes enthralled with the project. Quits his job on Streets of San Francisco, which is a hugely popular television show. Right, right. So here's this guy. He's a television actor. And at the same time, he wins an Academy Award for producing a film. That's so crazy. Crazy. It's right up your alley. Yeah. It's your type of.

Oh, I love anything like that. I mean. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a Mel Brooks produced The Elephant Man. And he wanted his name taken off the credits because he didn't want people to think it was a comedy. He did? Wow. So, yeah, like The Elephant Man with John Hurt and Anthony Hopkins. Yeah. He produced it because he just loved the story of John Merrick, I think was his name.

Yeah. Yeah, just loved his story and wanted to have a movie, have the movie made. Wow. And he's like, God, I mean, if my name is. He's like, I don't know if he's going to be a movie. Mel Brooks presents The Elephant Man. People are going to think it's like, you know, making fun of him. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. He can't. Yeah. But he still wanted to do it and did it.

That's cool. That's cool that he did that and then took his name off it. Yeah. It's one of my favorite movies of all time. Love that movie. It's a great movie. What movie do you think you've seen the most? If you had to guess. Unfortunately, John Wick. Oh. Oh, okay. Yeah. Because I watch it. I watch it when I work out sometimes. It's great motivation.

Oh, okay. It's a good revenge movie. Yeah. You know, it gets you hyped. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's a good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Just curious. Yeah, but it's not like, I don't think it's the best movie ever. What do you think it's the best movie ever?

Like if an alien came down and was like, I want to see one movie to know what y 'all are about. You know, I don't think I have a favorite movie, but one of the movies that I've seen, a modern movie that I've seen multiple times is Ex Machina. Because I feel like that is, I think that's the future. I really do. I feel like a version of that is in our future.

And this is a film that came out, was Ex Machina like 2017, 18? It was earlier in that, like 11. Was it? Yeah, yeah. 2011, 2013 maybe. 2014. 14, yeah. So when that film came out, I remember very distinctly going, oh my God, like this is going to happen. Like this is not science fiction. This is just, they're just predicting the future. Yeah.

Yeah. Actually, it says it released in 2015. Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, okay. Oh, it wasn't released in America first? Well, it's not an American film. I mean, it's in English, but like. It says 2014 here, and then here it says USA 2015. Interesting. So it just was released probably in Cannes or something. Yeah, at the end of the year or something.

Right. Yeah, because in Cannes, you know, they'll release it during that film festival, and technically it'll be. It is a phenomenal, phenomenal fucking movie. It's so good. It's so good. Yeah, she's amazing. Alicia McCann. She's incredible. She's incredible, and like you love her. Yeah. You like love her, and she's a robot. And the, like, spoiler alert, the heartless way that she like leaves that guy trapped in that movie to starve to death, and trapped in that room to starve to death.

Yeah. It's just like, whoa. Yeah. It like has nothing. There's nothing in there. It's all fake. Eggerel and Poe. Yeah. Cascam Amontillado leaves him behind the brick wall, but yeah. But it's also, there's these weird, like, the, what was his name? Oscar Isaac? Mm -hmm. Who's phenomenal as well. Yeah. Who plays the super genius guy. Mm -hmm.

Like, there's something about, like, that super genius character is what we're all dealing with today. Like, we, that wasn't a concern amongst the general public in 2015. We weren't thinking about AI. No. We weren't thinking about the idea that someone could literally have super intelligence and also control the access to data that people get, be able to curate the data.

All the stuff that we're seeing with Google and Facebook and AI and OpenAI and all these different companies, that was, I mean, it was like they predicted it brilliantly. Yeah. It's like Her. That's a great one that kind of predicts how people have gone with their AI, people developing relationships with their AI, like the ChatGPT system or whatever.

It's very weird. I mean, I guess it's kind of harmless in a sense because what's going to happen, but it's just not good for people. It's harmless for you because you're an intelligent person and you would realize that this thing is not real and it's blowing me up and blowing smoke up my ass and giving me therapy. Like, and there's some of those AIs that they'll gaslight you and they'll tell you everything's amazing.

You go, boy. You're kicking ass. That's what I need in life. Because in here it is not that case. It is not the case. I'm not a, you know, you're killing it, buddy. So, no, I use my ChatGPT to make me feel good sometimes. It pump you up? Yeah. Just like, am I all right? Do you instruct it? Like, what kind of language you like it to use? No, I think it's just figured me out.

Just, you know, talk like, you know, talking short words and sentences and, you know, made me feel all right. So you're going to be okay, Cody. Everything's fine. People love you. Got a lot of followers. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to care about that bullshit, but, you know, it's nice to, you know, it's nice to feel good. It is nice to feel good, but they also convince you that you should commit suicide.

That's happened before, too. Yeah. I don't think I could be convinced. If I was going to do it, it'd be on my own accord. But I'm way too scared for that kind of business. Well, you are, guys, like I asked you, I go, oh, you got an Android phone. And you go, yeah, I'm not a sheep. But, amen. Yep. Never will always have had an Android. I mean, that's also just kind of out of laziness because I just don't want to learn something new.

Apple's pretty easy to learn. Yeah. The thing is, though, it is, it's like the Windows, Apple operating system comparison or even, you know, Unix and Linux if you're into that. But it's that you are very limited by the hardware. The hardware choices are only this one company. Whereas with Android, you can get all kinds of crazy shit. I mean, you can buy unlocked phones from China and use them over here.

Yeah. I just, I also just kind of don't care. I don't care about Android or Apple. I don't care what someone has. I mean, I've found that mostly the people who do give a shit are people, it's always people who have iPhones. They're the ones who look down like, you know. Oh, 100%. Like, oh, you have an Android? Yeah. Like, I also don't care.

Like, I would be just fine. If I didn't use this as like an easy way to read shit, I'd go back to having a damn, you know, a Razr, you know, or like some flip phone. Flip phone would be great if it was better at texting. Because I do like texting friends and it's like texting addresses and information and stuff like that I think is important.

What was that Paris Hilton phone? The sidekick? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Paris Hilton phone. Oh, that's what I want. She's in the commercial, I think. Yeah, see, that's what I want. That thing's a brick. Those things were huge. I would love to go back to having a sidekick. Those things are so big. Yeah, that's what I want. Well, they do have phones that open sideways that are little flip phones and they have a little tiny keyboard and you can text on them.

They do make those still. I wouldn't mind something like that. Yeah, it's not a bad idea. If you just like, I know a few comics like David Tal, he has a flip phone. Yeah. Because they just don't want to be connected to that toxic fucking hive of human thinking. Oh, yeah. I get sucked into just doom scrolling, as the kids say, you know, all the time.

Yeah, yeah, we all do. And I hate that I do it. You know, the thing that keeps me from doing it is if I don't bring it into the toilet. If I keep the phone outside of the bathroom. Yeah. Yeah. That book will take care of that business for you. That's way better. Wrote it based on the length of the average dump. Did you? Really? Yeah. You calculated it? Well, just roughly.

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You'll hear another ZipRecruiter ad soon enough. Yeah, no. Like if you, you know, each little section for the average reading speed is equal to like the average dump length. So you just read that, take a dump, and you'll learn something and forget it immediately. No, that's smart. How did, I mean, I must have asked you this when you first came on, but I don't remember the answer.

How did you start doing this? Had a podcast, just me blabbering about nothing. And at the end, I would like end it with like a, just a fun story from like the past, you know, called like Half -Ass History. And I would just end it that way and then started clipping it because one of my friends was like, you should just clip that little bit and do like a separate thing.

And started doing that. And then just slowly over time, thanks to people like yourself, it started to kind of take off because you, you know, helped out with that quite a bit. And a lot of Brian Simpson actually helped out a lot, like just sharing. He's the best. He's one of the coolest human beings on the planet. I love him to death. And, you know, Greg Fitzsimmons is also an amazing guy.

Like, you know, I just luckily had people see it that helped, you know, because otherwise I was just doing it for nobody, which was fine. Like I like, I just like making stuff and learning stuff and teaching stuff. What has it been like to watch it get so popular? Has it been weird? Yeah, I don't really, I think mostly because I live in a pretty small town.

So I don't like, and I don't go out ever really. So like, I don't notice it. Like I'm not getting recognized, you know, and all that kind of business. Right. And I guess I have a few times and it's very weird. But I just don't really think about it. Like sometimes I'll see like a, because I don't read comments usually, but I'll see somebody follow me and I'm like, holy hell.

Like that person knows who I am. Like that's weird. Like Johnny Knoxville the other day. I was like, oh my God, Johnny Knoxville. Like that's, you know, like that's my Michael Jordan.

Like whenever I saw this, it's like hard, like you'd be lying if he said like that that didn't make you feel, you know, kind of good. Yeah. And I just, so little things like that will happen where I'm like, oh, this is cool. But otherwise I'm just kind of like living my life, watching Real Housewives and working on videos. But you really watch Real Housewives? Oh, every day almost.

Yeah. I mean, right now I'm in the throng of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, which I would highly recommend. Because there's a lot of Mormon business going on. Oh, yeah. The Mormon business is fascinating. Oh, what a weird little group of people. Woo. Yeah. So you get that mixed with, you know, drink throwing and all that kind of business.

Apparently there's a lot of, and this is not a slight on the Mormon religion. Don't get me wrong. But I think this is true amongst Catholics as well. But there's a lot, well, probably many religions. There's a lot of undercover homosexuality. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure. So a friend of mine, a good friend of mine, is dating a lady who was in the church from the time she was a young girl.

Got married when she was 19. And when she was like 35, 36, realized her husband was gay.

And four kids later, now they're divorced. And the stories, she tells the stories, you're just like, oh my gosh. Apparently it's just rampant. Yeah. There's actually a little bit of a situation like that on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Is there? Kind of. I mean, I guess I shouldn't say the guy's gay. But the rumors are, you know, that he is.

There's one of the husbands. And, you know, he's a hairdresser. Oh, there you go. Which immediately makes you think about it. Does he also like musicals? Well, I mean, they go hand in hand in my book. Big fan of Cher.

Donna Summer. Yeah. I'm a big fan of Donna Summer. Well, you're good in there, then. Yeah. Yeah. Big Rocky Horror Picture Show fellow. Right, right, right. Yeah. I just, no, you know, and it kind of seems like he might be, I don't know. I mean, you never really know. But I'm sure that is a prevalent thing. I mean, obviously, repressed homosexuality and religion is just pretty rampant.

I think across the board. Yeah. Just like Baptists. I mean, I grew up around all Baptists, you know, here, like in East Texas. Uh -huh. I knew plenty of kids in school that were, you know, you know, get your queers a $3 bill. And they weren't, you know, they weren't out. No. Some of them are now. It's one of the saddest failings of organized religion is the complete absence of embracing gay people.

So, yeah, because you can embrace someone and not embrace, you know, I mean, I guess there is that whole thing of like, well, I embrace you. I don't embrace the lifestyle, which feels like a real slight. But also, like, why not? Here's the thing. It's like it's the evidence in the Bible. It's all Old Testament stuff, right? Yeah, Leviticus and all that business.

But you got to look at what else is in Old Testament stuff. First of all, the open condoning of slavery. Not just open condoning of slavery, but rules of like who gets the slaves after people die, how you treat the slaves. It's like there's a bunch of morally abhorrent things that are in there. So why is a man shall not lay us with another man? Right.

Like what? Well, and there's also, I mean, it's not planting crops together, not wearing two different types of cloth. Shellfish. Yeah. You don't see protests outside of Red Lobster. No. I mean, you should, but you don't. I mean, I just think it's very bizarre. It's bizarre and stupid. It's never been my cup of tea, just religion in general.

I mean, I'm not against people. Yeah, I think whatever you want to have that makes you feel good. And as long as you're not being an asshole to everybody. Yes. That's the problem. I feel like people should have their own thing, you know? I would like to bring back like Greek mythology would be cool. I'd go to a temple. Yeah. And worship Zeus and all them people.

Yeah. Like I enjoy that way more. I mean, I've read the Bible a couple times and it's nice, but I'm not. Like I just don't, you know, buy into any of it. Not just Christian. I'm not just trying to attack them, but like anybody really. I think they're trying to tell a story. I think that it, I think it all, I think there's a lot of human influence and there's a lot of stuff in it that people obviously wrote.

Like the stuff about slavery. Yeah. The treating women like second class citizens. There's a lot of stuff in it that seems clearly the work of man. But I think the origin of it all is some kind of a documentation of historical events that were incredibly strange. Yeah. And that they're trying, and you're getting these, like you're getting a lot of the gospels were written long after Jesus was dead and they didn't even know Jesus.

They had never met him. And so they're attributing words to him. They're saying, so there's that. And then there's also, like, and if you get into the Old Testament, like the weird stuff, like the ages of people, like Moses was like, or Noah. Noah was like 600 years old when he built up. Methuselah, who's like, I think the oldest person in the Bible, I believe is Methuselah.

I mean, yeah, there's Abraham. Abraham was like hundreds of years old, I believe. Weird shit. And then the flood story and how the flood stories and so many different ancient religious stories. It's the Epic of Gilgamesh. Yeah. It's a damn flood. It's the oldest story there is. Yeah. So. Yeah. Yeah, I just, you know, people like now want to have an answer to something.

Like I'm terrified of death. That's the thing I'm most terrified in the world. Really? Yeah. You're not afraid of dying? Oh, dying's terrifying. What if something bad happens? I mean, I don't want to die. Go to heck. It's hilarious. What if you end up in heck? That'd be horrible. Heck is hilarious. I'm serious. You clearly live in the South, sir.

Yeah, well. Um, it is, uh, I mean, it doesn't sound like fun. No. And it's going to suck that your family's going to miss you. That would bother me the most. Yeah. But it's inevitable. Everyone's, you know, everyone's afraid to die. No one's afraid to sleep. But, you know, shut up every, every night. You shut off. Yeah. I just hope you wake up.

But do you? Yeah, I'm here right now. Are you in the same timeline? Are you in the same timeline? Do you know if it's even the same life that you're living? Yes. I don't know if that's true. Yeah, because the plan I made yesterday is happening right now. Right. But that's according to your memory. Oh, geez. You know what I'm saying? According to my memory.

I don't. Yeah, I came here. When you are out, you're gone. When you wake up, you have a pre -existing selection of ideas and memories and all sorts of different things that you just assume you've always been on the same path. But it's not necessarily true. I have video evidence. Believe in the multi. Well, there's no evidence. But if you believe in the multi.

There's also. What evidence do you have currently that subatomic particles exist? You know, there's a lot of weirdness to the world, the quantum world. Quantum connections and the multi worlds theory. If you do. Like Philip K. Dick believed. He had a very strange idea about reality. I think Philip K. Dick believed that we are in a computer simulation.

And he believed this in the 1960s. And he had this very strange idea that decisions you make, conscious decisions, alter the past.

I don't, you know, I don't know what kind of drugs he was on when he was writing all that stuff. But. Yeah. Are you a big dick fan? I'm not a huge dick fan. Sorry. This is kind of. I'm a medium dick fan. No, I mean. Sizable. Yeah. I mean, I think he wrote some amazing stuff. But he was, you know, one of those like very important odd thinkers that have sort of flavored our culture.

Yes. Where you get to read these very unusual takes on reality. Like. Dan George's dream of electric sheep. Mm -hmm. Hunter Thompson. Yeah. There's a lot of people like that that have just written wild things that just make you just rethink the world that we're living in. Yeah. I'm a big Hunter Thompson fan. Yeah. Just all that. Yeah. Like sci -fi has never really interested me as much as I know it interests a lot of people.

I'm not a big Star Wars fan or Star Trek. But I do love, you know, some things like Blade Runner or stuff like that. I'm just only thinking about the future. You don't like thinking about it? I hate the future. No. How come? I don't know. Because it hasn't happened.

I don't know. I don't know what to expect. Right. I don't like change at all. I hate change. Really? Just personally? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Any kind of change. Don't like it. I like things to stay the exact same. I eat the same thing for breakfast. Wear the same clothes every day. Really? Yeah. I'm a creature of comfort. Interesting. Like if I was a turtle in a terrarium, I'd be happy as could be.

Like if somebody just fed me. You're a house cat. I'm a house cat. Oh, without a doubt. That's what Edward Snowden calls himself a house cat. Oh, yeah. Me and Eddie are like one and the same. I mean, when I asked him about his life in Russia, I said, you know, what is it like? Like, do you feel isolated? He goes, I'm basically a house cat.

I just need a computer and internet connection. I'm happy. At least not missing anything going outside there. Jesus. Yeah. No thanks. Well, they might kidnap him and send him to the front lines. Like, if you go out there, if you're of age. Wouldn't I like? Yeah. No, thank you. No, I'm just a big indoor cat and I like my routine. Every day, same routine.

Yeah, I just don't like change. So, the thought of the future. Oh, the future is too much change. Oh, no. And the flying car, you know, like I don't like too many LED lights. When the hot robot assistants get created, are you going to get one? Well, I'm not necessarily against that. I mean, geez. You know, I could be swayed a little. But that's ex machina.

That's true. That's what it is. That's what we're dealing with. I just like the past. I love the past more. Why is that?

I mean, one, it's real. As far as I'm concerned, the future isn't real because it hasn't happened. Right. It's just speculation. It's speculation. And I love seeing where we were and how we got to where we are now. So, like, and also just like what people were doing 2 ,000 years ago, you think, like, how the hell did they come up with that 2 ,000 years ago? Or the people who, you know, like Marcus Aurelius or somebody who, the way they thought, like how it is the, it's perfectly maps up to now where like that same sort of stoicism, you know, can do wonders for people today.

And he was thinking that shit 2 ,000 years ago. Oh, unquestionably. Unquestionably. I think all that kind of stuff and even like not that far back but like the Victorian period I think is fascinating. I think like when you travel around the U .S. knowing like what did this city or this place I'm standing at right now, what did it look like 150 years ago? Like what did it smell like? That's why it didn't smell the way it smells.

Yeah. And yeah. I don't know. I like thinking about stuff like that. Well, it's absolutely fascinating because, I mean, just think about the timeline, the known timeline of human history. Have you been to Rome? Have you ever seen like the Coliseum or any of those places? I've been out of the U .S. Don't need to do that. You don't need to? No.

I don't know. No need to? I can just look at it in a book or watch a documentary. I agree to a certain extent. Well, no, I don't. Okay. So I think watching it is certainly fascinating. I love documentaries. But there's something about being there. Like I went to Greece a few years ago and I was with my friend Brian Mirorescu. Do you know who he is? Uh -uh.

He wrote a– he's a scholar and he wrote a great book called The Immortality Key that is all about the Eleusinian mysteries in ancient Greece, which I believe Marcus Aurelio participated in. Right, right, right. And when Marcus Aurelius participated in that, I'm most certain that that flavored some of his writings, particularly meditations.

Yeah, right. Because there's a lot of the stuff in there that seems very psychedelically inspired. Like the wisdom of this guy– okay, this guy is running Rome. Yeah. You know, what is one of the most fucking powerful armies the world has ever known, conquering everything. And this guy is essentially like a psychedelic bard. Right. It's very strange.

Like his writings on forgiveness and truth and recognizing your thoughts and just– he was– and you're thinking about like, oh my god, this is thousands of years ago this guy wrote this. This is insane. Yeah. And a lot of that I think probably came out of those Eleusinian mysteries. But I went with Brian because I was there with my family and Brian happened to be in Greece at the same time and met us there.

He gave us a tour of Eleusis. Yeah. So you get to– we were in the actual place where these people had these Eleusinian mysteries and it feels weird. That's pretty cool. Yeah. And you don't know if it feels weird because you're ascribing all these feelings because in your mind you're like, oh my god, I'm here. So you're in this heightened state of suggestibility or whatever.

I'm sure. Maybe. I'm sure that's a big part of it. It has to be a part of it. But it felt weird. Yeah. There's something about being there physically. I haven't been to the pyramids. That's one thing that I must do. That is like on my– the top of my to -do list is I really have to get there. So I went to the Mayan pyramids. I went to Chichen Itza.

Guatemala or– Chichen Itza. Oh, Chichen Itza. It's so bizarre. Yes, that would be– I'd go there. That's about as far as I'd go, I think.

It's sketchy now. Yeah. Actually, coming down to Austin is about pushing it for me, really. Yeah. And I'm only about– it's about a four -hour drive. Too much. Yeah. Too crazy. Too many things happening along the way. Too much change. Too much change. Well, Austin is drastically different from, damn, Longview, Texas. I mean, some things are similar, but no, I like a slow -moving place.

I just like a– like I'm a slow -moving animal in general. Yeah. Slow talking, slow everything. So– Well, whatever you like, man. That's the beautiful thing about freedom. Find your lane. Yeah. Find what you're into. You know, for you, it's reading a lot of shit and making cool videos. And Real Housewives. And Real Housewives. Real Housewives.

I can't watch those shows. Why? Because I just don't want to be around those people. And so when I hear them yapping and trying to get all this attention, I'm like, I got to get out of the room. That's the best thing. It gives me– You aren't in the room. Like, you just get to watch it from your room. I don't know. Maybe I'm an empath. I get second -hand anxiety from these people's lives.

Do you like watching confrontations like in public? Not your confrontation, but like other people. Like if somebody– two people getting like a fender bender and they get in like a little argument. Do you like watching that? Generally, I don't. I mean– Okay. We are. We are. I will watch them if it's happening right in front of me, but I really wish it didn't happen.

I'm very averse to, believe it or not, very averse to public violence. And I think– Okay. I get that for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'm not into violence. I don't want to see somebody get knocked out. I've seen enough videos of people who have their heads bounce off concrete. Exactly. Never want to see that ever in my life. I've seen it.

A lot. Yeah. But I would love watching two people just yell at each other. Yeah. I don't like that because it just leads to– it generally leads to someone hitting somebody. This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. We all have little things we do to save ourselves time like shopping online or paying kids from the neighborhood to rake up all those leaves sitting in the front yard.

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I think it's really fucking dangerous. I think people engage in it freely as if there's no consequences over things that mean nothing in the long run of your life. But that moment of engaging could change your life forever. You can either get killed or kill someone or get irreparably injured or harmed. I mean, I know people that have been beat up and it's completely changed their personality forever.

I know a guy that's a vegetable because of it. Like, I mean, he's about– maybe he's older than me. But, yeah, his mom has to take care of him. Jesus Christ. Yeah, because he got in a fight. Got in a fight and head hit the curb and that's it. And there's so many people that that happens to and you never hear about them because they're still alive.

They're still alive. So the person doesn't get charged with murder. But meanwhile, you have taken away that guy's life. Yeah. Oh, without a doubt. Yeah. It's the equivalent, I think. I mean, technically it isn't. But it's kind of odd that I don't enjoy violence because I've seen so much violence. I've probably seen more people get their ass kicked than– probably– there's probably very few people who have ever lived on planet Earth that have seen more people get their ass kicked than me.

Oh, I think that's– yeah, without question. Yeah. Like who else could it be? I mean– I've seen– I mean, I've just been there live for thousands of fights. I've professionally called thousands of fights on TV. Are there any people who have called more fights? Maybe. Like in other– like I don't even mean here, like in Japan or like– because that's the only thing I can think of.

It's not likely. I've been doing it since 1997. So that's when I first started working for the UFC. It was in 1997. I was four years old. Yeah.

So that was my first– so that was the first time I started working for the UFC. And then continually since 2001, so 25 years of calling fights. And at one point in time, I was doing like 20 -plus events a year. So I was on the road like every other week doing UFC fights. So I don't think there's very many people that– and then on top of that, all the fights that I watch, not live.

So a big part of what I do, like I take the commentary job very seriously. And even if I didn't, I'm just a giant fan of combat sports. I don't– you think it's like because I like violence. What I really like is high -level problem solving, and that's what it is. It's like very intense, very– I call it high -level problem solving with dire physical consequences.

Like it's just like an insane game that these guys are playing. And there's an incredible amount of technique involved, strategy, determination and willpower to get yourself into shape, intelligence in order to formulate the correct sort of style and game plan to be successful as a fighter. So I watch a lot of fights. I watch a lot of like jiu -jitsu matches.

I watch a lot of kickboxing fights. I watch a lot of fights. So it's just in terms of like how many people have watched more people get their fucking ass kicked. Probably I'm at the top 1% of people that have ever lived. Yeah. I got a number for you. What is the number? As of 2024, it was 3250. 3250 what? Fights. That I've called? Yeah. That's just what I've called.

So 3 ,250 fights that I've called just professionally. And then watching it, I probably watched that again at least. Yeah. At least. So it's probably– 7 ,000 -ish. Yeah, easily. Yeah. Easily, maybe more. Because sometimes I'll watch two, three in a day every day. I watch them in the gym all the time. I'm always watching. So it could be up to 10 ,000.

Yeah. So I don't like violence, believe it or not. No, that– I mean– What I can understand that though because like it's not that you're loving seeing a guy get the shit beat out of him. It's loving seeing how does this guy handle the situation? How does this guy change his outcome? Like it's looking like it's going to go one way. What's he going to do? Yes.

Am I like kind of– I love watching people achieve greatness. Yes. And I think greatness with the highest level of physical consequences in terms of like safety– obviously war is number one. Right. Get past– and then there's first responders, police officers, SWAT teams, that kind of stuff. But outside of that, in a controlled environment where people are preparing for a very specific contest, I just find that to be the most thrilling and exciting thing in all of sports.

Yeah. And so that's my perspective on it. But I don't like people getting violent on the street. It bothers the shit out of me. I hate it. Yeah. Well, the risk -reward too is different. I mean the risk in an octagon or in a ring is drastically different when you have a medical team. I mean not that things can't happen but– Yeah. Versus a parking lot.

A hundred percent. And then what's to stop some other guy to come up and just boot this person right in the face. And you see it all the time. Right. You don't see that in the UFC. I mean so you're seeing controlled chaos in a sense. It's not even really chaos. Yeah. But you're seeing a controlled like we're both agreeing to do this. We're both at the right weight.

Yeah. Like it's different. Like whenever I watch– whenever I watch a fight, like I don't think of it in nearly the same way. Because I feel sick to my stomach whenever I watch people getting fights in real life. Like real– Yeah. I don't feel like that watching an UFC. I feel like I'm watching two athletes competing. They hug each other.

Yeah. After the fight. Like I feel the same way whenever I watch a football game because I'm a big football fan. Like that's my number one. And I hate seeing people get concussed. Hate it. Hate– there you go. Yeah. Like I'm a– Yeah. I hate it too. Yeah. I don't want to see somebody get helmet to helmet. This person can't even walk. Yeah.

Like it doesn't know where they are. But I love seeing a big hit at the right time where you're making this amazing defensive play. Because you are two athletes who have agreed to– Yeah. And you're at the height of your– Yeah. You know. I love watching people do things that are insanely difficult to do. That's what I love. Have you seen that– there's this guy who's a Russian gymnast who figured out some new way to do an iron cross.

He does an iron cross inverted. The hell's an iron cross? An iron cross is one of the most difficult moves in gymnastics where they're on the rings. Oh. And they hold their body up like that with their arms out. It takes like insane strength. Vince Vaughn in old school when he's smoking the cigarette doing it. Oh, really? You never seen old school with Vince Vaughn and Will Ferrell? Does he do that? Yeah, I think.

Oh, it's probably CGI, right? It's fake. Well, no. I'm not saying he's really doing it, but in the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this Russian guy has figured out a way to do it upside down. So he's literally doing a handstand. And he stretches out. Watch this. This is it? Okay. Watch this cat. This is crazy. Oh, my God. The amount of strength that it takes to do that is fucking preposterous.

He's the first guy to ever do it. If I started today, how long do you think it would take for me to be able to do that? It would take you 50 or 60 years. Oh, I got time, Bill. Well, you would have to lose an insane amount of weight. You'd have to get on steroids. There'd be a lot of things that would have to happen to change your physique.

You'd have to... Done. Done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to change your... You got to get coaches. You got to go to Russia.

That would be... That's actually the biggest problem. The weight loss and the steroids. I can start right now. I don't know if this cat figured it out on his own. If it was something he was thinking. Can this be done? Yeah. I'm fascinated by people that are the first person to figure out that a move can be done. Yeah. Or just the people who can do anything Anything for the first time.

What was his name? Bannister, Roger Bannister that ran the mile for the first time in four minutes. Yeah. It had never been done all this time. But then what's crazy is that like the next year there was like six people that ran it. Yeah. So it's weird how like, like I wonder how many people are going to be doing this a week from now. Right.

Like probably a couple at least. Yeah, 100%. There's something about knowing that something's achievable that makes it infinitely easier. Yes. Like weirdly. Or like X Games. I grew up watching the X Games a lot and you would see a move be done. Like a 900. Tony Hawk doing the 900. Now there's like six year olds doing 900. Oh, there we go.

It's a nine year old, but. Yeah, but still, yeah. I was on the same thought process. I mean, when I was like a little kid. That's crazy. Look at that kid. Doing back to back. Bro, imagine if that's your kid doing that. You'd be like, don't get hurt, Billy. Dude, when I was like a little, when did Tony Hawk do that? Was it 99, I think? 99 X Games? Yeah, it was not that long ago.

I remember watching and it was like, it was like you saw Jesus walk on water. Right. Three back to back. And now there's a nine year old. Japanese. Nine year old Japanese boy does back to back 900s. Wow. That's crazy. First, this first 900 at age seven. I mean, isn't, but isn't that wild? Like this 99 is not that long ago. I mean, it is a while, but.

Not that long. But for there to be that level of change in that amount of years where it's, it's like an easy thing. That is crazy.

That, that literally is crazy. Boy, that is a rough fucking sport. Those guys get some fucking concussions. Yeah. Tony Hawk. Did you watch his documentary? No. Oh, you should really watch that. Um, until the wheels fall off, I think is what it was called. It is incredible. Tony Hawk's amazing. I had him on the podcast back. Oh, really? He was great.

You got an interesting guy. It starts with him trying to land a 900 now. Like, you know, as he's gotten quite a bit older and the, just the amount of just the shit he's eating constantly. You can't get it because he's, you know, older and harder to do it. But, but you still see like, he's not doing it for anybody. He's not in a competition.

He's like in his personal, you know, half pipe. Right. And just, but you see it in his eyes. Like, like those skaters, like skaters have no quit in them. Right. And, um. Well, you can't. Yeah. But there's something amazing about that. Yeah. Like I'm a big quitter.

I love quitting. I don't know if I love anything more than I love quitting. Like. It's great. Like when something's difficult, I'm just like, oh, I could just stop and do something better. That's funny. But those guys don't have that. You and I would be like a funny odd couple show. Oh yeah. What was it? Oscar and whatever it was. Felix and Oscar.

Felix and Oscar. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. We, we probably are the most opposite people. I'm going to be the most opposite person you may have ever had on you. Uh, in many ways, but in a lot of ways we were similar. We're interested in history. We're interested in unique facts. Yeah. Obviously it's why I'm a giant fan of your page. Thank you. Yeah.

There's a Venn diagram, you know, but ours is like, you know, barely touching. Like there's, yeah. But I'm always interested in like what turns people down certain paths, like what makes them go one way or another. Yeah. You know, I mean, I think anyone could go down any path. It, it, it could have happened. I think it happens oftentimes very young.

And then you start building momentum and towards very specific areas. That's a big thing I have with a, like anything pop culture. So like movies, music, and like remembering dates and like, you know, when did this movie come out? When did this album come out? It's cause like my dad would, um, you know, like trivia, like give me tests, like to, to like try to impress my uncles.

Like he was like, Cody, who sings blah, blah, blah. I had like five years old and I would just name them. Right. But I would like, I love the, um, the rush from like knowing something. Right. That it impressed people. Cause otherwise, I mean, I wasn't impressing people, you know, in any other way. So I was like, I gotta do something. Cause my brother was like amazingly good at baseball.

I don't have that. So I was like, well, what's my thing? And it just became facts. Yeah. No one random stuff. And I liked the feeling of like, when you tell somebody something weird that they never knew and you kind of see them and like, get like, they're like, Oh my God, I never knew that. I like that feeling. A very impressive quality. Like I love talking to people and they can tell me things that I had no idea.

I'm like, what? Yeah. Really? Like Brian Simpson's great at that. Yeah. Brian Simpson is a warehouse of interesting information. Like he and I, like anytime we find something like really fascinating online, we send it to each other and he's just doing that all day long. Yeah. See, that's my kind of thing. I just, I want to know everything.

It's one of the reasons why I want, I don't want to ever die. It's one of the things I'm scared about death. Is it like, yeah, but what about all the stuff I'm not going to know? Which I know it's foolish. Like there's no way I could ever learn 1% of everything. If technology came along that could extend your lifespan literally indefinitely.

Sign me up. Would you be in? Yes. I don't know why people say like, Oh, if I make it to 90, kill me. You're a pussy. Like, I mean, what are you talking about? I want to live for, yes. The, what's that movie with Johnny Depp transcendence? I believe where they put them in the thing and it goes very wrong. I don't care. Um, I would go to Jurassic Park, um, even knowing what happened to all those people, all those innocent people.

Well, they're probably going to do that eventually right now. They don't have dinosaur DNA, but I don't think that's going to be able to stop them from creating a dinosaur. I think what they're going to be able to do is use bird DNA and eventually engineer a dinosaur by giving each new iteration, very specific traits. Like that's kind of what they're doing at Colossal Bioworks.

Yeah. Where they're, uh, bringing back the, uh, the thylacine and they're, they're bringing it. I mean, they brought, I already brought back the dire wolf. Yeah. Oh, right. Okay. So that's who did the dire wolf. Yeah. Oh, right, right, right, right. I went to that. I went to the place where they have them. I saw the dire wolves. My daughter was playing with a four year, I guess four month old, six month old.

I think it was like four month old puppy, dire wolf puppy. And it's like a puppy. Like it gives you kisses. It sits in your lap. It's wagging its tail, cuddles with you. But they get to a certain age where you can't do that with them anymore. For sure. You weren't worried it was going to like disintegrate or like, you know, turn something like the thing.

I don't know. It opens up my mouth. Like had to stop me. Chops your arm off. Yeah. Yeah. No, because I spoke with them before and explain what they're doing. It's mostly they're taking these genes from this. Like they got samples from like a 7000 year old corpse of a dire wolf. They sequenced the genome and they started altering gray wolf genes.

And yeah, next thing you know, they have this thing that is people say it's not a dire wolf. It's not technically a dire wolf, but that's by our definition. Like what is a dire wolf other than a collection of genes that has the traits of a dire wolf? Well, I don't know. You can decide all you want what it is, but what it is is very different than any other wolf that's ever lived since dire wolves have died.

So why isn't it a dire? Why do they think it isn't? They're splitting hairs. I had the head geneticist from what was her name? Beth Cohen. Was that her name? From Colossal Biowars. Fascinating woman. Yeah. Like brilliant. And she was Beth Shapiro. And she was explaining how they do it and what the what the what the argument is that it's not a dire wolf.

And I'm in her camp. Essentially, we've decided like what like all these different animals, whether it's chimpanzees, cockatoos, whatever. We've decided that this is what it is. Right. But what it really is, is just the collection of genes. Right. They give very specific traits and those traits are passed on by its offspring. And they've managed to engineer an animal that has all of the characteristics of a dire wolf.

And they look very different. They're all white and they have a mane, which is really weird. They have like this thick, almost like a lion's mane around. Kind of like my golden retriever does. Marshall has a bit of a mane. It's very, very elegant when he runs. Yeah. But they they look different. They have their stouter. They're a thicker, stronger wolf.

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Uh -huh. Versus, oh, well, all the ones with red beaks are new species. I've never really understood that. It's a good question. Yeah. Well, it's humans decide, you know, which is where, I mean, we have a very specific way of categorizing different species. And it's like these biologists make these decisions and these distinctions. But ultimately nature doesn't give a fuck what you said.

Yeah. You know, it has many of these different weird variables. And it's up to people to try to figure out, like, okay, well, is this logical that this is a new species? Or is this a– look at humans. Like, look at the differences in humans. Yeah. Like, look at, like, Shaquille O 'Neal and, you know,

Caitlyn Jenner. Like, that's the same species. Right? Look at– it's very weird. Humans are fucking strange. You know? You have Bobby Lee and then you have Hulk Hogan. Yeah. Yeah. It's like they're very different. Yes. But we're all the same thing. Like, if we were something else in the wild, we would assume that these are multiple different species.

Yes. Yeah, it's like the– you know, kind of the Neanderthal versus Homo sapien. Right. Like that guy. Well, can you see the person at the bottom? Yeah, the little tiny lady. Oh. Well, I guess– World's tallest person and the world's shortest woman. Like, that's crazy. Which would you rather be?

I guess the tall guy, but he's probably in massive pain. He didn't look– He's got a cane.

Generally, when they're that big, they have a tumor on their pituitary gland. Yeah. What was it? He's 8 '3". Jesus. Yeah. He's too warm. He's probably in agony all the time. And I don't even know if that's– if you could mitigate that with, like, weight training or something, if you could get strong enough so that you can carry that amount of weight and frame.

No. Because you're dealing with– I don't think human joints are designed to carry around that kind of mass and just that height. Yeah. And also, if you have a tumor in your pituitary gland, things are probably growing the wrong way because what it's essentially is, like, secreting abnormal amounts of human growth hormone constantly. Which is why they get, like, the– Yeah.

The pituitary. Yeah. Like Andre the Giant. Yeah. You get your, like, a long Easter Island head. Yeah. There was a guy that used to fight in MMA named Bigfoot Silva. Uh -huh. And he had that. Yeah. And he actually had the tumor removed from his pituitary gland. And it radically changed his fighting ability. Oh, that's– In a better way or a worse way? Much worse.

His body wasn't producing the– his endocrine system wasn't functioning properly anymore. Oh. Yeah, because you're not going to shrink. Right. Yeah, yeah. So his hormone levels were all, like, hugely depleted. And this was at the time where they had banned testosterone replacement therapy for mixed martial arts athletes. So he couldn't be on it anymore.

But when he was on it– oh, my God. Yeah. Like, when he was on the sauce and he was, like, 300 pounds and huge. He was killing people. Yeah, that would suck. Yeah, he was, like, one of the first guys to beat up Fedor Emelianenko. Yeah. Who's one of the greatest of all time. But it was just– he was so big. He was, like, 300 -plus pounds and a black belt in jiu -jitsu and, like, a legitimate giant.

God. Robert Wadlow didn't have that. You know, I'm talking about the guy that was 8 '11". He didn't have that? No, he didn't. No. Was he just abnormally tall? 8 '11". What does he look like? Oh, did he need a cane or anything like that? Or did he walk normally? Yeah, he died pretty young, but not even related to the– to just being that tall.

He died from– I think he might have had a cane later at some point. Yeah, okay. But he– I believe, unless I'm mistaken, he died because his shoes had to be specially made and the nails in the soles gave him an infection. What? And he died from the infection, I think. That's crazy. But look at him next to– I mean, isn't that wild? Yeah.

But, I mean, it's like, well, how did that exist in, what, 1920 to 1930? And we've never had anyone like that now. Right. And he doesn't look like a guy who has a disease. No, he just looks like– He looks like a normal guy. It was just enormous. I mean, like, yeah, he birthed 8 pounds, 5 ounces. Isn't that wild? He's great size and continued growth in adulthood.

Due to hypertrophy of the pituitary gland. So he did have a pituitary gland issue. I thought he didn't have, and that's why he was– Yeah. So it's basically the same, but he looks much more normal. Well, I wonder why that happens now. Oh, at the time, corrective surgery was dangerous and not guaranteed to work, so his parents decided against intervening.

Wow. By the time he graduated, he's 8 '4". That's crazy. His burial is wild. Like how– oh, he had to have leg braces. Had little feeling in his legs and feet, but he never used a wheelchair. Yeah. Wow. There was something about his– Look at his shoes. Holy fucking shit. Size 37 shoes. Ooh, boy, that'd be rough. What do you think of– Imagine the, you know– The historical depictions of giants.

Huh? Historical depictions of giants. Like in– Like giants in the Bible, giants in– Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's Native American stories of giants. They have a lot of similarities, oddly. Well, they're just tall people. A lot of them are red hair. No, red hair, six fingers, six toes. Weird stuff. Yeah, wasn't that– Ever looking into that? Wasn't that– Who the one guy beat with the damn sling? Goliath? David and Goliath? Well, didn't Goliath have six fingers, I believe, in the bone somewhere? I don't know.

I remember that from Sunday school, I think. I was pretty infatuated. I was pretty excited about the six fingers aspect of it. Well, what's interesting is the Native Americans had very similar stories of large, red -haired, pale -skinned giants with six fingers and six toes with no access to the Bible whatsoever. It was completely different whether it was folklore, mythology, or they're talking about a real thing.

That's where it gets weird. I feel like it can't be a real thing. Why is that? Yeah. Eh, because they're not around now. Well, that doesn't mean anything because Denisovans are not around now either, and we know those were a real thing. Yeah, but were the giants– oh, okay. Well, were the giants a separate thing from the humans, or were they just like humans that– Probably a different branch of the human species.

Okay. That's what I think. There's just too many– There's just gone hunting down or for whatever reason didn't make it. Died off. Like a lot of other– like 90% of all species that have ever lived are gone. Well, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's been a ton of different versions of human beings that existed. You know, like the Denisovan one is really weird.

I don't know if you've– Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they're realizing these Denisovans were much larger than humans, than Homo sapiens. Like a lot larger. Like much bigger head, bigger cranial capacity, bigger brain capacity, larger jaw, larger eye sockets, larger eyeballs. Like really weird stuff. So why'd they die out then? They should have been the ones killing us.

Yeah. Well, we might have been the most clever because we're the softest. You know, we're the weakest. So we were probably the most vicious. And we probably figured out tools better than they did. And we probably slaughtered them because they were dangerous. That makes sense. Well. I mean, look. We figured out how to survive around lions and tigers and bears.

Oh, my. Oh, my. We're clever. Wasps. Yeah, all kinds of stuff. Yeah. It's entirely possible that we wiped them out. You know, like that might be a part of the allegory. That may be a part of like when you read the story of David and Goliath. Like what happens? Well, David kills the giant. You know, that might have been what we did. We probably hunted them.

Get what you get. Yeah. And it probably also they probably required an insane amount of resources. It was probably incredibly difficult. It's like dinosaurs. Yeah. To feed them. It's like the main reason they went out wasn't because of like, you know, the asteroid didn't just kill them all. It mostly died from a lack of resources. And obviously like the oxygen level is changing and all that business.

Yeah. Well, a lot of things happen, right? But that's what chickens are. Chickens are basically living dinosaurs. But they're tiny. You ever see a chicken go after a mouse? No. I've seen chickens go after other chickens or chickens go after worms. Or other little bugs. It's very dinosaur -like. Very velociraptor -like. But the way they go after a mouse is insane.

It's like the ferocity in which they attack a mouse. Like there's a video we played a million times. But there's a cat. And the cat has a mouse. And the cat's kind of toying with the mouse. And a chicken runs over and snatches it from the cat and just rips it apart like a monster. Just shaking it. It's pretty amazing. Fucking pecking it. Tearing it apart.

My– yeah, watch this. Look at this chicken. Fuck this– fuck this mouse up. That's what already happened to that. I mean, they try to steal it from each other. They all know what it is. They want that mouse. And you think of chickens as being these little cute little things that peck around the grass. Yeah. No. If they catch a mouse, they will fuck that mouse up.

Yeah, because, I mean, they'll do it to other chickens. Like my grandparents had chickens and they, you know, they'd kill each other sometimes. Yeah. That's what the pecking order is. Yeah. Yeah. They literally peck at each other and tear each other apart. They're ruthless little cunts. I mean, actually, really, all animals kind of do that to an extent.

Yeah. Like they kill their young. I know. All humans do, too. Lindsay Cleansy. But– well, allegedly, I guess. Allegedly. She said she did it. Well, yeah. She may have been under the– you know. She may have still been psychotic when she admitted. Wow. That's– that was so bizarre to me. She might have been psychotic when she admitted that she did it? No.

That's what some people think. Oh. Some people think that she may– I mean, the people who are just trying to find any excuse for why she did what she did have, you know, come to just a million different brain dead. Yeah. That one is– that was not on my bingo card. I didn't think you were going to see hundreds of women wearing pink shirts showing up outside the courthouse during her trial in support of her having strangled her fucking children with an exercise cord one at a time.

Yeah. I did not understand that. I still really don't. I mean, well, there is just a huge number of people who have just gotten so invested in true crime, like true crime YouTube channels, and that's all they watch, all day, every day. And so they have basically convinced themselves that they are detectives, but they suck at it. It's like– you know, I'm like– like I've watched so much football that I do watch it and I basically think I know more than an NFL head coach.

Meanwhile, I don't know anything. Right. Why would you call that play, you idiot? I wouldn't have done that. I mean, I'm just sitting there, you know, eating pretzels. Of course. But there's like all these women who have done the same thing but with true crime, and they think they're goddamn Clarice Starling. And yeah. But, you know, so they think there's like– there's a cover -up, a conspiracy.

Oh, the police department must be covering up things because the husband definitely did it like– you know, they just go down these rabbit holes of TikTok. Is the Dunning -Kruger effect in real time? Yes. Yes, it is exactly what it is. Yeah. Yeah. It's fascinating to see, but it is very sad when it comes to that type of thing happening. Right.

Well, it's bizarre. I never thought we would see it. Like during the Casey Anthony trial, nobody was in support of Casey Anthony. Hell no. Now, she could have been proven– well, she kind of was, but like full -on innocence. Her– you know, nobody would ever believe that she didn't kill that kid. Right. Which, by the way, I'm going to send you this, Jamie, because you're not even going to believe this is real.

But Casey Anthony has chimed in on the Shane Gillis whore joke. Casey Anthony. Well, I don't. Casey Anthony wrote a long piece on Substack about the joke that Shane Gillis said about women dressing like whores on SNL. Casey Anthony. The lady who killed her kid. I know. It makes you so angry you just want to strangle your loved one. I mean, good Lord.

What a moron. Well, not only that. I mean, this lady was– if you wanted to use that term– strangled her kid so she could go out and fucking party. Yeah. Yeah, women can dress however they want. Women in the gym can dress however they want. Men who have opinions about how women dress need to all the way go fuck themselves. This toxic masculinity trend needs to end.

These fragile men need to get out of the way of women in totality. This lady killed her kid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And she feels like she can take the moral high ground and chime in about a joke on Saturday Night Live. So, wow. Which is really– the joke is on Shane because the joke is that he looks like a creep in the background of all these TikToks watching these ladies that are wearing nothing doing these exercises.

Well, he also didn't call them whores. He just said they dress like it. Yes. Completely different thing. Yeah. You know, you can dress like anything, you know. My nephew was dressed like Batman like last year. He's not stopping crime.

I don't know. I just– I mean, I get, I guess, a little bit of it. But, like, I think people weren't understanding, like, the nuance or, you know, really, like, thinking about all the way he's thinking. He's just come out there and said, oh, y 'all are all whores for dressing like this. Well, you're not. No, no, no. That's what I'm saying.

And also, you can– You can dress however you want. Who cares? Yeah. Who cares? But also, when you do go to a gym– I mean, Jesus. I know. Like, it is kind of hard not to be like, God, what the hell are you doing? It's kind of crazy. I mean, I've seen ladies at the gym that wear essentially sheer pink, really small shorts with no underwear on, and they're doing deadlifts.

And when they're bending over, they're sticking their vagina with the thinnest of cloth out into the air. Oh, I knew one of them was pregnant before she did. Like, hey, I'd say you're about six weeks from what I can see. I have no problem with women dressing like that. Have fun. God bless you. If you have a great body, especially, show it off to the world.

Who cares? And don't be afraid to admit that that's what you're doing because that's what guys do. Yeah. There's no reason to wear a sleeveless shirt versus a sleeveless shirt in the gym. Right. You're wearing a sleeveless shirt because you want people to see your arms. Show the guns. Show the guns. There's nothing wrong with that. And if a woman wants to wear, like, skin -tight stuff to, you know, show off, who cares? Who cares? I don't care.

But I guess the word whore is what gets them. Yeah. I get it. I get you get upset. But it's also because, like, real misogyny actually exists. Like, real women who hate, or real men, rather, who hate women do exist. And so when you see a guy joking around about a woman dressing like a whore, you connect it to horrible thoughts, like, horrible actions, like, real, actual evil men.

Yes. That actually– because, like, there's a lot of men that genuinely hate women. Shane Gillis is not one of them. Right. And he's a great guy. It's just a joke. But for some people, those words. And then you see, like, the word police people, which is hilarious. Yeah. We need to stop using that word. We're still using the word whore. Like, you're not? Yeah.

It's great. It's a great word. It's a great word. Yeah. It's a great word for also yourself. Like, I freely admit that when I did, like, especially the second iteration of Fear Factor, it was because I was being a whore. They offered me a fuckload of money to come back in, like, 2011 and host Fear Factor again. And I'm like, I'm a whore. Let's go.

Why not? Oh, I would whore myself out for far less. Yeah. It's not– I don't think it's a bad word. I just think it has to be used wisely.

You know. It's one of the good things and bad things about the internet is that everyone has an opinion. It's good. It's good. You get to see it all play out. See the chaos and hopefully the dust will settle and there will be some clarity in what's real and what's not real. But because of the echo chambers and bubbles that people live in online, there won't be any clarity because everything is connected to an algorithm and you're only interacting with people that agree with you.

And it's like– Yeah. Okay. And you don't know what's actually real or what's not real. Well, that's a real problem. Yeah. Well, and just forming your opinions on– I don't know. People are just so opinionated to the point where like it's their identity. Like their take on a certain topic. That is who I am. And every conversation I have, that's going to come up.

And I hate those people. I do as well. So much. And by the way, that's a new thing. Yeah. I'm older than you and when I was a kid, that didn't exist. I mean there were some people that were ideologically– they were ideologically connected to whatever their political party was. Right. But not to the extent that people are today. They were flavored every single opinion they have about every aspect of society from paper straws to fucking electric cars to vaccines and healthcare and fucking everything.

Everything is connected politically. And if you don't say something about it, then you must be on the opposite side. Silence is violence, Cody Tucker. Silence is violence. Silence is violence. Yeah, like your– because if I'm silent on something, that automatically means– like I could be silent about it but still be on your side. But no.

Like they believe that I'm silent and on the opposite side. I remember people getting mad at people that didn't put a black square on their Instagram. Well, yeah, because they didn't stop the violence. They could have stopped it by doing that. With a black square. It would have been nice. If the black square would have ended all violence.

If the whole country just put up a black square, it would have been over. We could have moved into a new timeline. Yeah. Could have. But yeah, I know. It's just that virtue signaling. It is. And it's also this sort of evolution of human thinking that's happening in real time. You know, with this– so you've got this thing, the internet, that gives you immense resources and access to information.

But then you also have opinions that are inside this ecosystem that aren't even real. These are bots. Like there's so many bots. I read an article. There was an article in the New York Times about Elon Musk's ex -girlfriend. You know, there's the one that he offered, Ashley St. Clair. He offered her allegedly $40 million. She's his baby mama, right? Yeah.

So she has one of his babies. And she offered him– or he offered her, rather, allegedly $40 million to be quiet. And she said no. And she's blabbing to the world. So she was at one point in time a right -wing influencer. And now she is a part of the Democratic Socialists of America. She's joined the DSA, which is fascinating. Quite a swing.

Quite a swing. Always interesting when people do a complete 180. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But so there's this article that's written in the New York Times, and they post about it on Instagram. And I go into the comments. I go, okay, I need to see– because I'm saying this is ripe for bots. Like this is going to be a fucking bot farm, like 100%. And it's all it was. It was crazy. It was a lot of them are literally saying the same thing.

You could have just given her a billion. Yeah. He's got a trillion dollars. He could have just given her a billion. She would have stayed quiet. And you click on their page, and there's no posts. And there's– it's locked down. It's a private page. It's a name and a bunch of numbers. Like this is wild. This is like a fake outrage account, and there's 1 ,000 of them that are posting on this.

It's all the same thing. I've had it happen on one of my videos. I had to take it down because I was so– I was like, what is happening right now? It was the one about Henry Ford that I did about him being just a massive asshole and about like his Nazi connections. Interesting. And it turned into a full– the Holocaust didn't happen. Like it turned into that with thousands– I mean I've never like at that time had anywhere near that kind of traction.

I looked and I was like, I was like, god damn, that one's getting a lot– why is that getting so many views? And reading them is like, the number's actually this. It's not 6 million or like– and it's just constant. It's constant. And some of them were real or at least seem real because I was like, is this a real person saying this? Well, there are levels of sophistication when it comes to bots, especially today with AI.

They generate– one of the things you could tell is like how recent the page started. I like to go back to that first post. And a lot of that first post is like six weeks ago or a month ago. And then you see that there's no interaction at all. No one's posting. No one's commenting. They have these posts. It's like them with their kid on a swing, them working on a car in the backyard.

Like– and it might be AI generated or it might be they have taken it from somewhere else. But they can create– That's most likely, yeah. They can create a page that seems like a real person. Right. And they say a bunch of things that seem like what a real person would say, like really simple captions for each picture. So there's like levels of sophistication.

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You know, levels of sophistication where you're not going to be able to discern whether or not it's a real person commenting or not. No, and you can have the whole world believe something just if you have enough money to pay for enough bots. Yes. Well, it's not even enough money. It's not expensive. That's what's crazy. You could start a bot campaign fairly cheaply and have a bunch of people think, oh my god, people are really mad at Cody Tucker.

Yeah, yeah. Like you could really have people's...and you could shift a lot of the casuals who are just barely paying attention. You could shift their perception on you. Yeah. And that's what they're trying to do. And they're certainly trying to do that with Elon. But this thing with...do you think that was Ford Motor Company that was doing this? No, no, no.

What do you think it was? There's just this massive rise in Holocaust denial that's happened within just like the last couple of years. Right. Or like any post that has to do...I mean a lot of it obviously has to do with like the Israel -Palestine conflict and like Zionism and all this stuff. Uh -huh. And there's a lot of people who just like watch like this one documentary that like disproves the Holocaust.

And it's all...that documentary is all a bunch of like... Which documentary is that? It's called like Europa, I think. It's like...it's all hogwash. I don't know if it's real. It's just this guy who was a famous Holocaust denier. And now it's just become like the...I don't know. Because it's not even necessarily like a right -wing versus left -wing thing.

You know, where like, oh, all the right -wing people are Holocaust deniers or, you know, vice versa. It's like all...it's like groups from everybody. But it's all like...from the most part younger people. Like my age or younger. Um...yeah, I just don't think it happened. You know, what's also interesting too is that it's such a disgusting subject that no one legitimate wants to debate someone who doesn't believe in the Holocaust.

Right. Like you don't get like a legitimate scholar on World War II who wants to sit down and have a conversation with someone who's a Holocaust denier. Right. It's like you don't platform those people, you know. And so because of that, like there's a lot of people go, oh, they're hiding the truth. Right, right. Yeah. Who do you think was the textbooks? It was the...

Right. And it's like, well... But yeah, they didn't. But okay. What is their argument? Their argument is that it's less number? That the number's lower? The number that pops up every single time is 200...and that's why I started realizing it might be botched is because every one of them was saying 271 ,000. Like every post or 217 ,000 is one too.

So they think that's the number. How do they come to that? Apparently that's what in the documentary, that's what the guy comes to by like crunching the numbers on like the amount of Jews in the area or something. I don't know. Right, right. But it's absolutely absurd. So do you think that it's a foreign country that is doing this bot attack? Like what do you think? Because like if you were anti -Israel, like if you were against Israel's policies and you were a foreign country, if you're whatever, fill in the blank, Palestine, Pakistan, whatever it is.

Yeah. You get some Muslim country that wants to fund some sort of anti -Israel thing and then you would go after the core reason why people have sympathy for the Jews in modern society is because they were almost exterminated in Germany. I mean basically the reason Israel exists is because of the Holocaust. Because of the Holocaust. Yeah.

Yeah. So that would be the way to do it. I mean, and I just think there's a lot of people who, yeah, just believe it because they read it on the internet. They see the meme saying blah, blah, blah, and they just outright believe it. I think bots should be illegal. I really do. 100%. I don't care because I'm sure there's a lot of bots that follow me on social media.

Oh, I know there are a lot of bots that follow me. I mean, I don't know what the number is, but I'm sure, I would guess it's probably about 25%. Let my number, I don't care if my numbers drop or I don't care if my money goes down. Get rid of it. Yeah. Get rid of bots. Like you should, I've always felt that you should have to have an ID to be able to prove who you are to be able to create an account on any social media platform.

I agree. Like, you know, I think there's like dating apps that do it when you have to take a picture of your ID and then you go through like a vetting process. That should be the same with Instagram, Facebook. The problem with that is whistleblowers. And I think that there is a, there's a legit argument that especially if you're like an Edward Snowden or, you know, Chelsea Manning type person who has access to information that is highly classified, but you don't want to reveal your identity, but people need to know like there's a crime being committed on the American people or the people of the world or whatever.

Yeah. You know, the whistleblower thing, protections for whistleblowers was a key part of the Obama campaign when he was running for office was protection for whistleblowers. Meanwhile, he was like one of the worst people ever that was president, which is kind of funny. Yeah. But that's, they also even removed that part from the hope and change website.

So the hope and change website had this whole thing about whistleblowers. They're like deleted that. Yeah. Cat came out of the bag on that one. Good Lord. But, so that's the argument against having to show identification is that it's probably important that some people be able to post anonymous because there's like very powerful people that would try to take them out.

Right. No, no. I do believe in like anonymity for like whistleblowers. It's just, but like how do you do that? Yeah. And then also have an ID to post. No, you can't. But I mean, you just whistleblow the old fashioned way and just write it to a newspaper that only about 40 people are going to read now because nobody reads newspapers. Unfortunately, you can't even count on the newspaper printing that.

Well, no, no. Depending upon what you're revealing and what ideology would be opposed to that and whether or not this newspaper ascribes to that ideology. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, which that's kind of always been a problem too. But if you went back to like, you know, the, all the president's men, you know, Nixon, Watergate stuff, like at least, you know, they were able to do that.

Well, that was one of the most disturbing things about Elon purchasing Twitter was when they let like Michael Schellenberger, Matt Taibbi and all these journalists review the emails that were with the executives at Twitter were in contact with the intelligence agencies. Okay. And that the intelligence agencies were actively censoring accounts were directing them to remove accounts.

Yeah. They were posting factual information, but that was inconvenient towards the, the COVID policies of the Biden administration. So they, they were actively censoring legitimate scientists from Stanford, MIT, like legit people. Mm -hmm. And they were like, uh -uh, ban them, take them off. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. I mean, there's, I don't know if there's really any real right way of going about any, I mean, we may be doing it the best, the most right way that it could be done, which that's terrifying if that's true.

I don't, um. Well, I think there has to be a way to tell if something is a bot and you should have some sort of filters in your system, at least to mitigate the bots to get to a point where you can't just have a letter and a, you know, a name and a bunch of fucking numbers and you have 50 ,000 of those accounts and, and bomb on someone's account because, uh, Henry Ford was a Nazi.

Or just, um, I don't know why I said it didn't work either. I was saying like, just have it where you're vetted and then only people who have been vetted can comment. But at the same time, that doesn't necessarily work because if a person's a whistleblower, you know, ruins that. That's the problem. Yeah. The problem is anonymity is important when you're revealing something, especially when you're revealing something about a government or a corporation where they could whack you.

Yeah. You know, it's like, which I think, God, I don't want to say it, but I think the best way to do is just ignore the comments and just let them. But there's a bunch of people who don't do that and it does artificially alter public opinion on things. Yeah. Yeah. Which is, that was why I like for that post, I just took it down. Cause I was like, Oh, I'm not going to go through and sift out all these comments.

Did you think about just banning the comments? Just blocking comments? Oh, disabling comments. No, not until right now. That might've been the best way to do it. Probably should've done that. Because it's an, I remember that post. Yeah. It was an interesting post. Yeah. Does it exist anymore? Anywhere? Wow. They got me. They got you. I know I was infiltrated.

Maybe that's how the, the people that are pro Holocaust narrative do it. They put in so many scumbags that if you agree to like, if you follow what they're saying, you're a terrible person. Yes. And people don't want to do that. That's fair. And so they're shaming you. Yeah. For posting it. Jeez. Wild. It's not good. Not good. Yeah, no, I probably should've just taken out the comments, but I don't really- How bad was Henry Ford though? It's just not a good person overall.

Is this it? Oh! Where does it exist? YouTube shorts. Oh, it's on my YouTube shorts. Oh! Let's put the headphones on. Do you want to check the comments? Oh, you should actually. That'd be pretty funny. Start from the beginning. Here we go.

When I pressed- Henry Ford revolutionized the automobile industry, with his moving assembly line allowing for the manufacturing of the Model T to go from 12 hours per car to 90 minutes per car. At that point, they were making 10 ,000 Model Ts a day. He also doubled his employees' wages and basically created a new middle class in America. Despite all of this, Henry Ford was also a massive anti -Semite.

In 1920, Henry Ford began publishing a weekly magazine called The International Jew, The World's Problem. Henry Ford's views on the Jewish population struck a nerve with a young man in Austria, who included Henry Ford in his manifesto, Mein Kampf. Henry Ford was the only American complimented in that book written by a young Adolf Hitler. Henry Ford even received the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest German award for foreigners, by Adolf Hitler himself.

That's wild. Yeah. Click on the comments, please. Yeah. Let's go. Here we go. I'd love to see what these comments are. What does it say here? Oh, for a second, one. Henry Ford, a man ahead of time. Wow. I bet they're not talking about the first part. It always feels like we've forgotten more than we remember. Thank you. I live in Detroit and ooh boy, is this topic taboo.

I wonder why. The irony is that whenever the, when the war broke out, the same Henry Ford revolutionized the manufacturing of war planes.

Other admirers of that little mustache Austrian painter were Disney, King Edward VIII, Duke of Windsor, Wallace Simpson. And Lindbergh. Yeah, Charles Lindbergh. Lindbergh. Was he really? Charles Lindbergh's a massive Nazi, yeah. Whoa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No way. Mm -hmm. So this isn't as bad. Oh, well this one's nowhere near as bad. It seems like, scroll up, stop, stop, stop, go back up.

Was there any Ford request that now I asked? Some of these seem like bots. Yeah.

I didn't know that Ford was, I mean Ford was, I don't know, none of it. Ford was a great man. I mean the my type of guy thing is very, yeah. It could be shit posters. Well yeah, which I think that's a lot of it too. Yeah, who knows? Who knows? Oh. It's got Lionel Richie in his fucking, that's his, that's his image. Wow. Poor Lionel Richie.

Is it Lionel Richie? John Oates. So it seems like it's more of a social media thing than a YouTube thing where the comments were, but God a lot of those seem like bots. Yeah, they do. Look at these names with all the, when you see names like that. With a bunch of numbers behind it. Yeah, that's always. I have much more respect for Henry now.

That's the one, yeah. At the top. Yeah. But these are definitely nowhere near as bad, I mean. Nowhere near as bad, but the same thing. But it's still. I have more respect for him. Well, yeah. But look at what it is. It's the same thing. It's these names with a bunch of numbers. Yeah. Yeah, almost all of them are. There was an article we've referenced many times where a former FBI analyst was looking at Twitter before Elon Musk purchased it, and he determined that it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% bots.

Really? Because they were trying to say that it was 5%. Yeah. And they did that by a 100 post random sampling. So they just randomly got, allegedly randomly. Right. But if you're trying to sell something for $4 billion or whatever he paid for it. Is it $40 billion? What did he pay for it? For Twitter? Something crazy. $44 billion? $44 billion.

So if you're selling something for $44 billion, the last thing you want to do is find out that it's mostly just robots. Right, yeah. Yelling into the abyss. Yeah. Or. But this CIA guy, or this FBI guy said he estimated at the high end it's in the 80%. I mean that seems so high, but probably. But it makes sense though. It's probably right, yeah.

If you think about it, that's the town hall. And propaganda has always been a thing. You know, distributing leaflets, putting propaganda films out, all this. That's always been a thing. Yeah. So why wouldn't you, why wouldn't you utilize like the greatest vehicle of propaganda the world has ever seen? And just have an army of people comment on things.

Makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Manufactured outrage. Yes. Which is what most things are now. It's like manufactured outrage. Mm -hmm. Or manufactured fandom. Like I feel like most things that are so popular now, there's no way that's authentic. Like what kind of stuff? Like certain movies will make just an astronomical amount of money. I'm like, I don't think that many people want to see that movie.

Like that new Spider -Man movie, that brand new day, it's like broke every record. I'm like, who the hell went to go see that though? You'd be amazed. I guess so. People love superhero movies. Or like the Ella Langley, you know, that music, that song. Nothing against her, nothing against the song. But it's like baiting all these records. I don't know a single person who's sitting around listening to that, but maybe also- I listen to that song.

Okay. I like it. You should go to a bar on 6th Street. Yeah. Okay. Is it really? Well, that actually makes- That's not popular as fuck. Yeah, maybe it makes- I think maybe I'm just, I'm not the best person to even talk all that kind of stuff, because I'm in a dang one person bubble. Yeah, you're in a bubble. Yeah. Have you ever seen her, there's a film of her, a video of her getting ready to go on stage, and she's walking through the backstage area, and that song Stayin' Alive is playing, and she's dancing.

She does a little kicks. It does a little kicks and stuff. Yeah. Very compelling. It is. Isn't it weird how that video is so captivating? Because I've watched it so many. Yeah. Here, play it. Give me volume. I'm not going to get- Why not? Because of the song. Yeah. On that note, I'll talk to you later, never mind. Okay.

You want to just tell me now and edit it out? Sure, yeah, yeah. What? You and LL Cool J reciting the lyrics to Going Back to Cali got flagged. Oh my God. That's how the flags work. It's like, because you recited the lyrics to the song. Really? Oh my God. These fucking criminals. Was he reciting them? Yeah, both of them. Yeah, both of them.

But he probably doesn't own the- No, it doesn't. It's not that the- It's just the flag itself. It just flags it, yeah. It just flags it, yeah. That's fucking bananas. Bananas. Wow. It's a weird world we're living in, man. Yes. If you hum a song, like, you know that song? Careful. Is it- I'm not going to say it. I don't want to talk about songs anymore, but- Is it the- Is it Sunshine of My Life? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sunshine of My Life. I do that all the time. Like, whenever I think about someone, like, really high on drugs, I always, like, make that noise. Right, right, right. And if you can't- Well, I'll make it real quick, and then we'll edit it, right? Here we go. Sunshine of Your Love. Yeah, Sunshine of Your Love. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cream. So, cream, right.

Cash rules over there. So, when- If you do that on a podcast, they'll flag you. Just do that. That's so crazy. Crazy! Oh my God. Crazy. I'm amazed mine hasn't. Because I have a movie podcast, and one of our categories is called Creed It and Weave, where you have to place the Creed song, arguably the greatest song ever written, My Own Prison by Creed, somewhere in the movie, where do you put it? And we always end up singing the song.

But never gets fun. They probably haven't got you yet. They'll find you. I know, we do a good job. They're gonna get you now. Yeah, yeah. Now that you're talking about it here, they're gonna get you. Yeah, I shouldn't have mentioned it. Screw it. But that Choosing Texas song is huge. No, it is, I guess. It's huge. Yeah. There's something about this world that is so chaotic that it has made simplicity much more attractive, and country music is making a giant comeback.

Oh my God. A huge resurgence. Yes. And it's because people want, like, they want to be by the river with a pickup truck, and with, you know, just having a good time and praising Jesus, and they want simplicity. They want things to be clearly defined, and they want to take away the anxiety of the unknown, because the anxiety of the unknown is looming over us constantly, like a fog, like that giant sky demon from Stranger Things.

Yeah. You know that fucking thing? Oh yeah. That's like looming, that's what our future, our uncertain future, and this technological hell that we've unleashed on the world. And there's a lot of people that, they long for the opposite of that. They long for Yellowstone. They long for cowboy shows. They long for things to be simple. That's a big, no, I do agree with that, where people just want to have land, and people want to occupy their land, and they want to, you know, raise families on their land.

There's that. That's like 90% of the actions. Homesteading. Yeah, and, but I think with music, though, it's kind of interesting, because like, I mean, you could kind of say that about any time. Like the 60s, when was there ever a more, like, what the hell's about to happen to us time? But then that was some of the most original music ever made, and some of the most complex music ever made at that point.

Sure. So it was like, the chaos turned into chaotic music. Yes. Whereas now, the uncertainty has turned into, God dang, I just want to make sure this music sounds the same. I want to know what I'm getting before I get it. Like, well that was- Maybe people just suck at making music now, too. Oh, I don't know about that. Not, not, well no, not in like overall, but I think what gets pushed to the top is more like that.

I think people, like whoever's, you know, marketing music, whatever company, you know, whether it's Sony, whoever, they're way less likely to take a risk on someone. And they just know like, okay, this worked the past 15 times, well, let's go and do 16th, and, and do it that way. Where I think that wasn't always the case. I mean, you could definitely say there was like the pop, you know, bubblegum pop of the 60s, where it was just, how many versions of the Dave Clark Five can we make? Like, and then, but occasionally they would bust out, you know, like the Doors or, you know, Big Brother and the Holland Company or something.

Now I don't think there's any version of that. Well, I don't know if that's true. No. Because I, no, because I think that today, one of the very unique things about today is that you don't need anyone for you to go viral. All you have to do is be able to post it online. Like Oliver Anthony is a great example of that. Right. He comes up with Rich Men North of Richmond, and it becomes this fucking massive hit, like out of nowhere.

And it turns out he's actually really fucking talented and stays independent and does it all on his own. Yeah. I think those are very few and far between. But they exist and they didn't exist before. So in the 60s, you couldn't do that. If you were going to release an album, you had to go through a music company. You had to go through a record company.

You had to have an agent. You had to have a manager. You had to have all these. There was gatekeepers to keep you from getting on the radio. You couldn't just have a song and bring it to the radio station and say, hey, will you play my song? That's not how it worked. No, no. You had to bring it. Yeah, you had to bring your demo to a label, and then the label took care of the rest.

Oliver Anthony's first time performing live was in front of like 12 ,000 people. Jesus Christ. So he's a guy who makes a song literally in a field with a fucking cool guitar and sings this song. And it resonated with people so strongly that they just went out to see him in droves. That is... But he's a very unique talent. Yeah. But it's also like that thing now exists where it never existed before.

And there are people like that out there. Yeah. There's a bunch of other ones that are really interesting that are popping off like left and right all over the place in that way. Just resonate with people. I need to actually listen to some newer music because I never do. I'm so stuck in like older music. Have you ever heard his song Scornful Woman? Oliver Anthony's? Yeah.

Yeah. You played it for me. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was amazing. Whoa. Yeah. That song is... That was so good. No, he is amazing. And there are some people for sure. I just feel like talent has... I don't know. There's something that just feels too robotic about music. Like whenever I hear songs now, it sounds like it's made on a laptop.

Mm -hmm. Like even... But like it's almost like too well produced. Yeah. Whereas if I listen to like Van Halen 1, I can hear the times where Eddie Van Halen fucks up. Right, right, right. Even though he's the greatest good artist of all time. Like I want to hear the imperfections in that. And now you would have a producer go through and cut out every little thing and it doesn't even sound like a person anymore.

Right. So there's something that just feels like an uncanny valley about music. Now, movies have become that way even to me. Well, there's a lot of AI clips that I watch now on YouTube with these short AI movies like Dracula versus the Wolfman. Yes. And they're really clunky. They're clunky and the graphics are kind of... They're a little shitty.

They're really good, but not good enough. Like you don't think it's real. Right. But I'm just fascinated that a regular person gets to do these things. Yeah. Because it's really weird. Yeah. I mean, there's part of me that thinks that's a good thing, but part of me that doesn't. Sometimes I feel like there needs to be a bottleneck, you know, where I think, yeah, I don't know.

I feel like less is more almost always. Well, it's definitely going to be hard to find the quality things. But I think that the quality things are going to exist where they wouldn't have existed before. Like someone who's just a very creative person and has an idea that would have cost millions and millions of dollars to produce instead is just sitting at home with a laptop and an LLM.

And they feed it into that. And next thing you know, you've got this really cool creative video that came out of their imagination that wouldn't have been possible. But the amount of those versus the amount of bullshit. Right. Is crazy. That's the problem. That's the problem. And I think that's a big problem with music, too, is that there's just so much.

Well, that's why live performance is so awesome. Yes. Like going to see a live musician. Yeah. You know, like Oliver Anthony played at our club. He played at the Mothership. I saw that. Yeah. We've only had two awesome bands play there. Oliver Anthony, his band, and Red Clay Strays. They're amazing. Amazing. So that's like one of the few bands that I do actively listen to that's a modern.

Lead singer, also Android user. There you go. Doesn't give a fuck. Yeah. No, I feel like there's quite a bit of maybe quite a little overlap between him and I. There's a rebellion thing about Android users. Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. There's a bunch of people that I know that are Brian Simpson, Android user. See? Andrew Wilson, Android user.

There's a bunch of people that are like, you know, just unwilling. Unwilling to give in to the call of the siren. Exactly. No, I'm strapped to the damn, to the mast at this point. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not. Yeah. Well, I feel like if I changed it now, I'd be a real dickhead. Yeah. Well, that's the problem with committing to something like that.

Because if you tried an Apple iPhone and you realize, oh my God, this is so much easier to use and better. Oh, God. And it does things for you. Yeah. I don't want to even think about that. You'd give up on the convenience? What if he was able to do things and you couldn't do without it? I'm not that interested in convenience. I don't really need convenience.

No, because I don't do anything else. So I have the time to have a less convenient life. Do you ever think that you will make your life more complicated? Do you ever see yourself having a family or anything like that? Oh, geez. Oh, it's entirely possible. How old are you now? There may already be one now. How old are you now? 32. Do you think about it someday? Have a kid? Do you have a little Cody running around?

Man, I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. I feel like I'd probably be an all right dad. I'm sure you're a nice guy. I'm sure you'd be a great dad. It would change you. It'll change you. I don't know about it in a bad way. But I won't be able to do whatever I want to do. You won't. I won't. You won't. That's true. That's true. Yes, I'm a big like.

But you will love this child more than you've ever loved anything in your life. It'll change your life. I'm ready for that. You don't have to. No. Well, I'm not encouraging you. I'm not trying to get pregnant. As a person who is a father, I'm not encouraging. I do not like the idea that the only way to live a fulfilling life is to be a parent.

I think that is, I think any sort of reductionist perspective on a person's life and purpose I think is ridiculous. There's a lot of people that have never had children that have greatly impacted the human race. Oh, for sure. In a super positive way. Yeah. And had wonderful relationships and friendships and people loved them and missed them and they genuinely changed the world.

Mm -hmm. You don't have to have children. No, but in all seriousness, I probably will at some point. Yeah. I'm sure. I think you'd be a good husband. Yeah, I think I'd be a good husband, good dad, you know. So I'd probably do at some point. You might have to leave your town to find a, you got a lady right now? Yeah. Oh, well, good. Congratulations.

Yeah. Does she want to have little ones, little codies? She already does. She already does. Well, she doesn't already have little codies. But she has children already? Yeah. So, I mean, I guess I kind of don't have a choice in that matter. Yeah. I mean, yeah. No. No, it's all going to work out pretty good. Well, I'm glad you're hopeful. Yeah.

You have a good perspective. Well, I don't really have much of a choice, you know. Yeah. I kind of, you know, be hopeful or dread life. I'm not too interested in that. Well, people are always worried about the uncertainty and the unknown. And like we were talking about before, I really genuinely think that's why there's this genuine, when there's a trend, a clear trend toward like simplistic music and simplistic lifestyles.

And certainly during COVID, a lot of people like turned to homesteading. Yes. And they realize like, oh, we might not be able to have food. Which, by the way, I saw maybe the worst movie I've ever seen in my life the other day. Okay. I think it's called The Last House. I don't know who you're talking about. Yeah. Oh, wait. It's bad? It kind of looked interesting.

Wait, wait. Hold on. The Last House? Yes. Are you sure that's what it was called? I think that's what it's called. Yeah, it just came out. Yeah. Okay. Oh. Okay. It's good for a while. The ending is maybe the worst ending of any movie of all time. It's almost like they ran out of, yeah, this is it. Oh, this is it. Yes. These people get, spoiler alert, they get trapped in the house by aliens.

So aliens won't let you leave the house. You can't break the windows. You can't open the door. For whatever fucking reason, that makes no sense whatsoever. And then these aliens are like these big squid things that are like octopus things that hang out outside your door. Oh, of course. And then most people starve to death because they can't leave the house.

Yeah, right. But this one family, the dad's an engineer. They figure out a way to trap animals and drag them back into the house. Mm -hmm. And then they survive somehow or another. But there's these monsters that live out there. I don't want to spoiler it for anybody, but it's so, the ending is so fucking dumb. I don't know. You're just going to go, what happened here? And by the way, that guy who's the lead actor is the guy who played Pablo Escobar.

Yeah, Narcos. Yeah. He's amazing. And he won a number of nominated for an Oscar last year for some, I can't remember the movie. He's fucking great. No, he is. He's an amazing actor. But holy shit is this movie bad. How long do you think you'd be less than that? In that kind of a world? You'd less than a lot. Trapped in a house? Mm -hmm. Trapped in a house is not good.

Yeah, but you got all kinds of stock. Yeah. Stockpiles. For good. You go, okay, good for a year. What are you good, for two years? And then you're going to need food. You're going to need to get out of the house. There's no way you're going to be able to live in your... The premise of the movie is ridiculous. Yeah. And they throw a trap out of the chimney.

And that's how they catch animals on the front porch. It's the dumbest fucking... Oh, that's pretty good. Good thinking. It's kind of okay. Like, maybe it kind of would work. But it's the ending. I don't want to give away the ending. The ending, you're just going to go, what the fuck just happened? I wouldn't laugh. One of the monsters is a good monster.

And it tells them, don't kill these people. And it opens the door and lets them out. After like six years. Wait, so that's the ending? Oh, yeah! And then they never see the monsters again. And then they go sailing. It's the dumbest fucking ending you'll ever see in a movie ever. There's another chapter on a boat. Well, they're going to go around and eventually find other people that live, too.

Oh, God. But there's like maybe like 30 people left on Earth. And by the way, these monsters, they never see them again. That's also part of the thing. Meanwhile, they're everywhere in the beginning. Every time it gets dark out and rains, these monsters are outside their house and they have to cover the windows or the monsters will see them.

And then one day the monsters enter in the house and try to kill them. And then they fight with the monster and then don't kill the monster. And that monster decides they're a good guy. And so he lets them out. I don't like any of this. Dude, it's so bad. The ending, you're going, what in the fuck did I just watch? I wouldn't make it three days.

I can't ration. So I'd be really screwed. Eat all the potato chips and that's it. Oh, everything. I mean, I have plenty of things and I could survive, but I'd get way too hungry. But if you knew, do you think you would change your behavior or would you say like, let's just... It's too embedded. I've lived this way, way too long. Until the wheels fall off.

Let's go. Yeah. I mean, might as well. I have a clean bill of health as far as my doctor goes. I might as well go out with a clean bill of health. What if you found yourself out in the woods and there was no one anywhere around you? You woke up and you're in a cabin, but you have a rifle, a large amount of bullets, firewood, some sort of a wood stove, and water.

Do you think you'd live? No. So I would take the rifle and put it right there. I mean, I would look out the windows and I would maybe like whistle. What if there's a bunch of books, like really cool books in the cabin and all you had to do is just figure out a way to shoot some squirrels, stay alive? I wouldn't. Nah, it wouldn't be worth it.

It wouldn't be worth it. Nah, I think I'd just... You just end it? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I need to... I want to look at easy life, you know? I'm not meant for a difficult life. No. I've ruined myself. Yeah. Physically. Okay. But mentally, you do like challenges. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a big... Yeah. Yeah, no, I love a mental challenge.

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I understand your perspective. If something happens, you would be surprised, I'm telling you. I feel like you don't believe me at all on this. But if something happened, I'd really be able to take off pretty quick. What do you mean? Like fast. Run? Yeah. Yeah, I think you're delusional. Okay, well. I don't think you'd be able to run. If there was like you and me and an animal was chasing us, it's going to get you.

I'm coming in first. You're coming in second. That's interesting. That's a hilarious perspective. That's actually hilarious. Well, it depends on the animal, I suppose. It does not depend on the animal. It could be a fucking chicken chasing us. I'm going to get ahead of you by a large margin really quickly. And there's no way you can catch me.

It's not even physically possible. What's the distance? It doesn't matter. Oh. It could be 100 yards. It could be 100 miles. 40 yard dash. My 40 time was surprisingly quick. I think that was a long time ago, Coden. Yeah, it may have been a long time ago. I think it was a long time ago. I don't think there's a chance in hell that you could run faster than me.

No, probably not. No. No. Well, we won't race, so I guess we'll never know the actual answer as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, but it's just a weird idea that you have in your head. A guy who's so smart and who is so interested in facts and history has this one delusional idea that you can run. Interested in facts and history? Yes. Smart now.

You're not smart. I can just remember things, but I'm a pretty delusional person in this aspect. I think life's way too short to not be delusional. Yeah. That's interesting. So it's like a protective shield? Like being delusional? Yes. I think everything's going to work out always. Well, that's a way better perspective than everything is going to be doom.

Well- Those people are exhausting. No, so I do- Okay, I actually probably shouldn't have said what I said. I do think everything's going to go bad. But- Sorry, hold on. I think I did the wrong order. So I think everything's going to be bad inside. But on the outside, I try to be like- I try to convince myself that everything's okay. And it does work.

Like, you know, but no, in the inside, I'm scared to death of everything. But everything is going well for you. Yes. Like you said, you got a lady in your life. Your page is doing fantastic. You've written two books. Oh, yeah. Like things are going really well. No, no, it's not that. I just think like, you know, what if I have a heart attack right now? Or like, what if- That is possible.

Like, what if on the way home, I die in a car wreck? Like, I'm always thinking- I'm a very what if person. Mm -hmm. Which is why I don't like thinking about the future. Because when I think of the future, I'm not hopeful at all. It's always like something bad is going to happen to me in the future. But right now, nothing is. So, whew. If things start to happen bad, like if your health starts to fade, do you think you'll make conscious decisions to become healthier? Oh, I would like to think so.

But, uh. I don't know. I'm very much like a, uh, as long as everything's coming back all right, I'm going to keep running this son of a bitch into the ground. Right. As long as everything's coming back all right. Yeah, but if I get an A1c test that looks a little iffy, I don't know what I'm going to do on that one. That would probably change if you had children.

Oh, yes. That would be one of the things that would change. You would want to be around for your children. And that does happen to a lot of people. Yeah. They have children and they say, oh my God, I have to be here for this little tiny person that I love to death. I have to change my diet. I have to change my life. Oh yeah, no, there's no doubt about that.

I would, yeah, I would change things up quite a bit. I mean, I have changed some things. I quit drinking. When did you do that? Seven or eight years ago. I don't know. It was, um, yeah, probably about eight years ago. Yeah. Actually, I mean, partly because like, so far October stuff, you know, really? Yeah. Well, that was like whenever I first tried it and was like, oh, like this is way better than drinking every day.

Yeah. And, um, you certainly feel a lot better. That's for sure. Yeah. And then, you know, the month ends and then I go back to drinking, but I'm like not enjoying it that much. And then by like February of, you know, after that November, uh, I was just like, no done. No more. I'm tired of this. I'm tired of drinking every day. I'm tired of drinking as much as I'm drinking and feeling horrible and just quit.

And good for you, man. That's it. So I took, I have it in there. I took eight months off about eight months. And then I, I went out with my wife and had a, I think I had a margarita, margarita or a glass of wine, something like that. And then I was like, oh, I think I'm back. Yeah. I like it. See, that's my problem. I can't, I can't have a little of something.

That's the big problem. That's why drinking was kind of easy. Not that it was easy, but it was kind of easy cause I can just not drink. I'll live like I can just have zero alcohol, but I can't have zero food. And that's my, where my problem is. Right. I overeat all the time. Cause I just, I feel like I'm never going to get enough. Like it's like famine mentality, but I didn't grow up like, you know, poor or anything.

So I mean not rich, but like, I don't know why I have this like mentality of like, oh, I gotta have everything. But that's how it was with alcohol too. It was like, I can't buy an 18 pack of beer cause that's not going to be enough. Like, no, no, no, no. So I need to buy two 18s cause like, I know that'll be more than enough. And I don't want to ever run the chance of not having enough.

And because there's so much, I'm more inclined to drink way more. I eat a lot. Believe it or not, I'm a glutton. I have a problem. Like I can't stop eating. I just burn it off. Luckily. But I get to points where I don't, I get to points where I start getting a belly. Yeah. I start getting fat on the sides and I look at myself in the mirror.

I'm like, oh, you look like shit, dude. It's time to like button down the hatches. I get to points. I've had some points where I got pretty, like right before I did the carnivore diet the first time I got pretty heavy. I got like, I think it was like two Oh eight or two Oh nine, which for me is a lot. But what do you, what are your normal run at? Right now I'm 200, which is good.

That's, is that like normal? That's normal. 200 pounds is normal. When I get above like two Oh five, I start getting a little nervous. That's what I'm getting. You notice that much of a change? Yeah. Oh boy. Yeah. You notice a change. I notice a change in how I feel. I notice a change in, I feel like I'm carrying around extra weight and I also just feel like shit, you know, just don't feel as good, but I'm a glutton man.

I eat so when I sit down to eat, I just can't stop eating. I eat so much. I just, I eat, I'll eat like two, like two entrees. Like I'll have like two steaks. That's a good time. I'll have a steak. I'll have a big bat, a big plate of pasta. Yeah. I'll eat a bunch of appetizers. Like if I go out to dinner with friends, I eat like a pig. Oh, that's nice.

I eat so much, especially if it's Italian food. Oh my God. I'm a glutton. I'll eat pizza and pasta. And then I'm just like, oh, my stomach is literally like stretched to the boundaries. Like, oh, then I'll sit there like a bear that's been shot with a tranquilizer dart. Just, oh. Yeah.

That's me. Yeah. That's actually me like almost every day. I just have self control other times. And then I don't, you know, I do a lot of intermittent fasting. Oh. Or like if I eat at 7 PM at night, I literally won't have any food at all until maybe one in the afternoon the next day. And then I'll work out. I'll do all this different stuff.

And then I'll eat something before I go and do a podcast. Okay. And I do that all the time. So my body has these long stretches where it's allowed to digest all the food. Yeah. But in the past, like there's been moments in the past where I haven't done that. I'll eat late night snacks. I'll get up in the morning. I'll have a big breakfast.

Then I'll have a big lunch. And then it starts getting away from me. Yeah. So I've gotten a little bit better with it just, you know, over time. But mine is just very wave, you know, up and down, up and down. Yeah. Right now I'm on an up. But an up in weight, not in goodness. Right. Yeah. Like I'm really going. Do you make corrections when you feel like you're going in a bad direction? Yeah.

So then I'm like, oh, let's add some salads into this thing. And then I start doing that for a little. And then there's the down. That's where I, you know, lose a little bit of weight. My weight goes down. But then I'm like, yeah, but this kind of sucks. So then I go right back up. So it really always sucks. Yeah. Like it's just always either like it sucks, but I'm feeling healthier or sucks, but I'm feeling, I'm eating good.

Right. So like it's just kind of. Do you think you'd ever get to a point where you'd hire a trainer?

Oh my God, that just feels real dumb. Does it? No. I mean, a little bit, but I just, I'm, I can't be motivated by other people. Well, you don't have to be motivated by other people, but the other people can like take you through a routine where you don't have to think. So, okay. Okay. So not like a bootcamp type thing. No. I don't like celebrity fit club.

No, no, no, no, no. Okay. Cause I would not respond to that. I mean like, you know, you have a scheduled meeting where you meet a guy at like 10 AM someplace and you work out for an hour, three times a week. So like a dietitian, like almost like what do you do when you meet with a dietitian? Sorry, but a trainer would be like someone who like, can they say, okay, what are your goals? What are you trying to accomplish? Okay.

I'm going to help you do that. And there's people that are really good at that. Right. There's a lot of jerk off trainers that are just assholes that just got a job at the gym and most of the time they don't even know what they're doing. There's a lot of people like that. I've met them. But then there's also people that are like really good at their job and take it very seriously and really like helping people and getting people on the right track.

Okay. And recognizing that there's this moment where people start to feel better and recognize like, oh, this thing, like my friend, Jelly Roll. Jelly Roll is a great example. Jelly Roll was 500 pounds. Hell yeah. Jelly Roll lost 300 pounds. I mean, that is insane. And he was a big excess guy. He was drinking and eating and, you know, just off the rails.

Now he's running every day and now he exercises. And I was just with him in Utah. We went on an elk hunt together. And this guy's hunting. He's going up mountains and shit. He's like super healthy now. It's crazy. Yeah. And I mean, he's like, I've never felt better in my life. Like, I feel so fucking good. It's like, I can't believe it took me so long to get on this path.

See, I would do something like that, I think. Like a trainer actually, you know, sitting down with you and like it. With him, it just started with walking. Well, that's the thing. So I did buy a treadmill, which has now become a clothes rack. But I did buy a treadmill. And I was like walking out and I was like, oh, look at me. I'm like you, making a difference.

And then, you know, my heart started going a little fast and I was breathing a little heavy, but it was, you know, just because it had been like 30 minutes on the treadmill. And then I got afraid that I couldn't catch my breath and I had a panic attack. And I was like, oh, this isn't good. And then every time I got on it, I immediately was like, oh, this isn't good.

My breath, I'm out of breath, which it was fine. I mean, I was breathing fine. It's just psychological. It's all in my head. I have massive like panic, which is all, you know, from all, you know, the anxiety. Right. Like, I'm sure if one thing got corrected, the other would correct. A hundred percent. I like you. You're a really good guy.

I want you to be better. I want you to be healthier. That's why I'm pursuing this line of discussion. Yeah. It's an intervention. No, not really. But you know what? One thing that would really help putting your treadmill in front of a television and watching a movie. Yeah. Well, that's a great way to do it. Yeah. I was watching like Lord of the Rings because I was like, I want to do the walk to Mordor thing.

You know, it's a little nerdy, but I love Lord of the Rings. And I was like, and that's walking like I can walk. Yeah. And so I was doing that. But then I was like doing some incline because I was like, I'm really going to test myself here. Probably shouldn't have done that. Start slow. Start with a flat ground. I didn't start as slow as I showed up.

Yeah. But you just, you just, I, this is one of the things that we've done these comedian workouts. Oh. I bring comics in and we have a gym next door. Okay. And the first thing I tell them before we do it, I go, you are not going to get exhausted. You're not going to get exhausted and I'm not going to push you. Right. What we're going to do is we're just going to do a series of movements, very gradually build your body up to the point where you can start doing more.

Yeah. And that's the way to do it. The way to do it is not like kick your ass the first day where you wake up and you're like, Oh fuck. Yeah. You're sore getting out of bed. Fuck all that. You need to build up. Okay. Like if you try to do what I do, like for the first day, it'd be terrible for you. Right. But you could do what I do eventually and be just like me.

Right. Whereas like I came here today, I feel fine. I feel great. Yeah. But that's the thing. It's like a, you have to get your body to a resilience point. You got to build it up. But I think you should build it up slowly. Yes. And the, one of the best ways to do it is to do cardio where you're watching a good movie because you just get captivated by the movie.

You know, you're on a fucking elliptical machine, just watching a movie. That's why I watched John Wick so many times. It started during sober October. Right. I was like, you know, I was just thinking like this about this fucking revenge movie. Fucking. Yeah. It just keeps you going or any, anything that just captivates your attention span and takes your mind off of the fact that you're breathing a little heavy and you're not even breathing really heavy.

And I, even whenever I had the full, you know, little freak out, I was, I was fine. And even after it was done, I was like, what the fuck were you freaking out about? Yeah. But then it just sticks in my head. Like it always just, I don't know. I have a, you have an interesting head, you know, you're, you're, the way your mind works, the way you're interested in all these different things that also could like turn against you.

Hmm. Boy does it. Yeah. It's why I've slept with the TV on since I was three years old. I mean, really? Yeah. I can't. It's just day sleep with the TV on. Sleep with the TV on. It has to. Wow. Yeah. I can't be alone with my thoughts ever, ever, ever. It's too much. Wow. It's just interesting. Yeah. It's like, I've never like meditate or anything like that.

I've tried and like, I can do it. Like I can, you know, not try to have zero thoughts, but just let the thought come, let the thought go, you know, all that kind of stuff. But I don't feel any different afterwards. And I've done it for like months at a time. Really? Yeah. It just does nothing. I just, uh, no, I just try to, um, like suffocate it.

I just try to suffocate the voices, you know, voices, but like the thoughts. Yeah. Just with distractions. Well, I think that's one of the interesting things about people. One of the things that I really love about doing this podcast is I get to talk to so many different kinds of people and you know, there's a lot of narrow minded people that think that everybody should live one way and everybody should think one way and behave.

And this is the right way. I don't think that's real. And I think there's a lot of different, very interesting, creative people that their brains work different than everybody else's. And that's a great thing, you know, and your burden is that you can't be alone with your thoughts, but that's also why you produce so much great content because you can't be alone with your thoughts.

So you're always, you're always engaging with stuff. Yeah. Have to be distracted. So why not distract myself with, you know. But it's also you distracting yourself with stuff that's, I mean, it's really, um, because of all these facts and all this information that you've acquired and all the stuff that you've put out there in the world, you've like changed a lot of people's perspective on things.

You've given people a lot of, uh, stuff to think about, you know, and that's a great service. It really is. Because I never really think about it. It's the opposite of real housewives. What are you doing? Well, I wouldn't go that far, but, um, cause it provides a service for me, but, uh, yeah, no, I, I, yeah, I guess I never really think about it like that, that people really, and, you know, and get anything out of it or.

Oh dude, I get a lot out of your page. That's why I'm always sending you interesting information. I know. I know. Like, which is fun. Cause like a lot of, some of the stuff that I have like heard about it, I'm like, oh, I did a video on that like a long, long time ago, but a lot of it isn't. It's like, holy, I never knew it. Which that's one of my favorite start to a sentence is, did you know? Right.

Like when someone comes up to me and says, Hey, did you know? I'm immediately like, Oh, come on, come on. And there's times where like, Oh, I already knew it, but it's like, Oh, well that's cool. That's cool. You knew it, but yeah, whenever they follow that up with like something I didn't know. Oh man. That's like one of my favorite feelings in the world.

Me too. Is learning something that I didn't know. Yeah. Especially something really wild. Yes. Yes. Like, whoa. Especially if it's about somebody that is like well known. How do people not know that side of that person? And some of it's not even cool. Like the Henry Ford shit. Like I didn't know that. Well, yeah, yeah. Whoa. Yeah. Not cool.

Like good. No, I know what I mean. Yeah. But, but it's, it's interesting to know that there's, you know, some of our most celebrated people are monsters. We have like Gandhi, Mother Teresa. Yeah. Um, you know, Henry Ford, Cesar Chavez, you know, like most of those people were complete scumbag. I mean, some of them did some good stuff. I mean, I already, Mother Teresa never did anything good, but, um, I mean, Gandhi, you know, was Mother Teresa that bad? Real bad.

What was Mother Teresa's deal? So Mother Teresa had a, um, you know, she would like heal the sick and all that BS, but she basically just had a giant concrete storage room that she would put sick people in and donate and give all the money that was being donated to her to the Vatican, not use it to treat any of them. Really? Because she believed that like suffering brought you closer to God.

So she would just walk up and down the rows of sick, dying people. Like, look how close to God I am. Yeah. She's a scumbag, a horrible person. Really? Yeah. So she could have helped them with medication? I mean, she, I think they were giving them like, you know, very basic things, but like, you know, they're sleeping on like concrete floors.

Like, meanwhile, she's getting millions donated. Like Princess Diana, you know, giving all this money to Mother Teresa and she's just this frail old, you know, nun. So you, you know, none the wiser, but yeah, she's just like funneling it right up to the Vatican. And was she portraying her role very differently than the reality of it? Yeah.

It's, it's the reason why she became, you know, Mother Teresa, like to everybody is like, is this like sort of patron saying of, you know, which I don't know what she is saying of if anything, but like to most people in most people's eyes, like that's a, a good person. Like, oh, you're just like, you know, Mother Teresa is synonymous. Like how Einstein is with being smart.

Teresa is with like caring and kindness and virtue. And she was just sending all the money to the Vatican. Yeah. The vast majority of the Vatican and just having a, you know, a torture chamber, you know, people were just suffering constantly. So you think you're going to go to Mother Teresa and she's going to take care of you and you just get locked in a basement.

Yeah. Yeah. You get locked in this giant concrete room with like basically no windows, no sunlight getting in and people just having like whatever, dysentery or yeah. Just diarrhea all over your bed sheets and just slowly slip away. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. I mean, not good. It's like a frat house. The whole Vatican thing is so strange. Well, that's one of the places that I, when I went to, I was a little weirded out.

I was like, yeah, you guys have so much money. A lot of money. It's, there's billions of dollars in artwork there. You walk around, you're like, this is kind of crazy. They have masterpieces just kind of stacked all over the place. Yeah. It's almost like they're hoarders for clean art. Yes. It's which I mean, art is a, you know, embezzlement scheme anyways, but I mean, most of it is.

You think? Yeah. Because there's no. You think that's when Biden was getting paid all that money because his art was amazing? What are you trying to say? Well, I mean, who am I to judge, you know, the talent level of an artist, but, uh. It is an interesting way to launder money. Right. And they do it. I mean, like, there's no, like, what's to make a painting, you know, like 70 million and then one from an artist you've never heard of sells for like 35 million.

You're like. Especially modern art, which is like very easy to make. I don't give a fuck what anybody says. There's one that's sold. Yeah. There's one that's sold for, God, I want to say it was like tens of millions of dollars. It might've been like $60 million. But it's basically like a red stripe of paint, a black stripe of paint and a red stripe of paint.

And it's famous. And so there was this Christie's or Sotheby's, one of those auctions, one of those. And this thing got auctioned off for this fucking preposterous amount of money. And you're like, what is happening here? Like, is this a scheme? Is this like, how is this? It's gotta be. How is this? How does this represent such an insane amount of generational wealth for just this stupid painting that you could make in a couple of hours? Not even in a couple of hours.

An hour. Well, you just don't get it. I know. I'm stupid. I mean, it's. I'm uncultured. It's amazing to me. See if you can find that painting. It's, it's really crazy. When you see it, it's really crazy. Like, okay, this is, you're, you're pissing. That's it. That's it. That's it. How much is that one, Jamie? Wow. I'm afraid to tell you, I think.

That's amazing though. I don't know if this one was. That's one's, this is actually on the top of the article. So that's really a, I mean, it is. That's the one I'm talking about. Oh my God. Does that say 105 million? That's 110 million. It's a different one. Yes, now the list. Let me find that picture in the list. Some of these are. There was that Jackson Powell.

That's it right there. Hundred and eighty six million. So like Mark Rothko is like a pretty well known artist. Look at that. But that is. Yeah. That is $186 million. Which is crazy because I think like a lot of the Rothko paintings are like that. And yeah, he's like, oh yeah, I think there's the Jackson. Are those Pollocks or. 300 million.

Look at this one. Yeah. Isn't that. 300 million. Do you know about the whole CIA connection with modern art? Do you know that? With modern art. Oh, there's. Do you know that? Do you know the Psy op? With modern art? Yeah. No. Oh, no. I'm so happy to tell you this. Oh my God. Okay. So the CIA during the time of Jackson Pollock. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. Which is why we're in the middle of the cold war. The CIA started this thing for modern art to to pump up American art because we didn't have any art that compared with the classics from Russia. Right. Right. So, yes, there's a documented basis to CIA modern art. Sia. This is from perplexity. Our AI sponsor. The CIA secretly supported the international promotion of American abstract expressionism during the cold war.

So what actually happened in the 1950s? The CIA funded the Congress for cultural freedom, a Paris based organization that sponsored magazines, concerts, conferences and exhibitions. It presented itself as an independent cultural organization while covertly advancing an anti -Soviet agenda. So American abstract expressionalism, the work of Jackson Pollock, Rothkau, Willem de Kooning, those guys that we just saw fit the agenda.

It's individuality and experimentation could be presented as evidence of American intellectual freedom in contrast to the ideological constraints associated with Soviet socialist realism. The paintings didn't need to contain an explicit political message. Their freedom of form was the message. So how the PSYOP worked indirect funding Monday money moved through cultural organizations and intermediaries rather than appearing as overt CIA sponsorship.

This is described as a long leash approach. International exposure, exhibitions held, established, American paintings, prestige abroad. Historians have identified CIA backing behind the new American painting which toured Europe in 1958 to 1959. So all that art that you look at and go, this is fucking bullshit. How did this become so famous and so valuable? Right.

Fucking CIA. That's so weird. I mean, it does make perfect sense. The same people who brought us MKUltra. Like they engineered so many very weird and twisted aspects of our society. Yeah. Well, there's all the connections or what people think of connections, you know, with like the music scene in the 60s. Oh, yeah. Because like so many of them were the- Strange times in Laurel Canyon.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jim Morrison's dad, Jim Morrison's dad being, you know, the Navy Admiral. He's an intelligence agent. Yeah. He was the Navy Admiral during the Gulf of Tonkin. Yeah. He was like responsible for the Gulf of Tonkin. Yeah. And Jim Morrison used to always like in interviews and asked about his parents, he would just say they died in a car wreck.

Okay. Yeah. That was always his response. They died in a car wreck. They hit a group of Indians. That's what he said? Hmm? Brr. Yeah. He's a dipshit. His parents were alive. Yeah. A lot of them were in one documentary about the Doors I watched. Like they finally interviewed his dad and asked him like what he thought about Jim Morrison. It was kind of weird, but it was like back in the maybe eighties or so.

But yeah, the thing is they were good. They were really good. So the first, yeah. So the question is like, can you really engineer that kind of creativity and talent? Well, that's what I, that's where I get kind of skeptical about that side of it is that Yeah. Like, or were there a lot of military kids in that area because it's where there's, you know, there's a lot of military base in that area.

And are there just naturally going to be a lot of kids and kids tend to rebel against their parents? Well, if my parents are involved with the military, you know, screw the military. I'm going to make, I'm going to get involved with the group that doesn't like the military. Yes. And, and some, and 90% of them go on to be, you know, teachers, lawyers, doctors, whatever the hell.

Yeah. And then there's like 10% who just happen to be good musicians. Like how much of that is like, yeah, is the CIA just plucking kids of, you know, whatever. Well, people tend to definitely create like, like a picture that doesn't exist. They tend to draw lines and connect dots. Yes. And we look for patterns that perhaps don't exist. Yeah.

But, but it's because so many patterns do exist. Well, and your brain's wired to look for patterns. Yeah. It's why, um, it's why you can convince somebody of fake memories. It's why like, you know, I mean, people will give whole, um, explanations for a, for an event that never occurred, but it's because they're there, they know the beginning and end.

So they have to be able to connect that. Right. Like, cause you have to have the pattern. So, I mean, your optical illusions, like when you see an optical illusion, the reason why it's an illusion is because your brain is trying in there somewhere to establish a pattern. What was that one that we looked at the other day, Jamie, where they look like two different colors until you, uh, put your fingers over the line in between them.

And then they all of a sudden become one color. It is. Oh, there's so many of those. Yeah. There's some interesting ones with that or like where, um, you'll have like a Coca -Cola game that looks red in the picture, but it's actually all black and white. It's just cause there's these tiny green lines. Oh yeah. Okay. I remember seeing this one.

Yeah. That's crazy. Like that thing right there, make that large, please. That thing is that's, they're both the same color. Yeah. And you don't realize it until you take your fingers and cover the line. Yeah. And then you go, what in the fuck is that? How is that possible? It's cause of a, what do they call it? Cause of a, Jesus. What is it called again, Jamie? What's that? Corn sweet.

It's called the corn sweet illusion. That's nuts. That one's nuts. Cause you, you would swear to God that the lower one is a lighter color than the upper one until you block out that line in the center. And you're just like, Oh, there's so many of those too. Like there's something that are just so they're fascinating to me. I've like how your brain can trick itself.

This. Yeah. Yeah. It's just the whiteness of the, the top of the bottom one. Yeah. That makes it seem like it's a different color below it, but it's because Pat in patterns that's how it would be like in anywhere else in nature or something had that wide of a top surely it must be a lighter color. And the thing that's darker, like that dark would normally be darker.

It's just weird that your brain fucks with you that much. Yeah. It's trying its damn just to, you know, get you where it needs to be, but it'll definitely. And I think that applies to like connecting these dots. Oh yeah. Like Jim Morrison's dad was, that's the CIA engineer, the hippie movement, which I think there's some evidence that they probably were involved in that as well.

There's definitely some evidence that they were involved in promoting hip hop. Oh yeah. Well, with the hippie movement too, there's, there is evidence that they were, you know, helping to stage protests and like, yeah, organized protests that, um, even like, uh, was it like Gloria Steinem was working with the CIA at one point to stage, you know, like these things.

So like, there's always been that version of it, but then it's just, you know, whether or not all of it is because of that. No, I don't think you can engineer Hendrix. No. And, and, and, right. You know, I mean, cause I've heard that argument. He wasn't even like an anti -war person. Hendrix didn't give a damn. He was in the war. He was in Vietnam.

Oh, well he, you know, he had songs that were anti -war. It was not a song called machine gun. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, as far as like outwardly, so not necessarily the music, but like outwardly speaking against the war, he was not necessarily one of the, like, you know, He spoke out against it on stage. Against the war? Yeah. I don't remember ever seeing them like actually speak out like fully against the war.

I thought he was. He's speaking out against the war and against violence on stage in the live version of machine gun. Oh, maybe so. Yeah. Well, no, I think, no, it was more like in his day to day life. Like he used to get really angry with people who would like criticize the war if they like said certain or like were critical, not the war, but of like soldiers.

I think he used to get like really upset about that. Yes. Jimi Hendrix expressed anti -war views through his music, especially machine gun, but his politics were more complicated than a simple lifelong pacifist label. Counts of his early career describe him as supporting US involvement in Vietnam before his later music became closely associated with opposition to war.

Well, he was a young man. I mean, he died and he's only 27. Machine gun is the clearest example released on band of gypsies in 1970. It portrays the brutality of war through lyrics and guitar sounds resembling gunfire. Fucking great song. Oh, no. Explosions and cries. Hendrix dedicated it to people fighting in Vietnam and Berkeley and within themselves, connecting the battlefield violence with conflict at home.

Fuck, that guy was good. Yeah. But even that's not necessarily anti -war. Like, you know, depicting war isn't necessarily being anti. I mean, now going on stage and saying like, you know, anti -war things. But I think he was more like, I know he got in a fight with, was it like Pete Townsend or Mick Jagger with somebody because they were criticizing like the troops who were in Vietnam.

And he was like, hey, hey, hey, like, hold on. Like, I was a troop in Vietnam. Like, well, they're not the problem. It's the, like, yeah, being against like the government. Yeah. I'm sure. But yeah. But like Jim Morrison wasn't like anti -war. Like he just liked to pull his dick out. He just liked pulling his dick out. Chuck Lorre was here the other day.

Yeah. And he told us that he went to see Jim Morrison concert. He didn't even get through the first song. He tried to pull his dick off. And they, they came on the stage with horseback to remove him. Yeah. They're on horses. I mean, it was just such a animal. It might not, this is not the same fight you said, but this is an interesting fight between Jimi Hendrix and Pete Townsend.

And clashed at the Monterey Pop Festival, June 18, 1967 over who would perform first. Neither wanted to follow the other's explosive stage act. Read the quote. Mm -hmm. Um, it was just Jimi on a chair playing at me, playing at me like, don't fuck with me, you little shit. Just standing on a chair playing guitar at him. Yeah. That's what Townsend said Jimmy did.

Attacking him by his playing. Not only that, like imagine like him playing in front of you going, I'm not following that. Yeah. And then that's when he set his guitar on fire. Yeah. It was, uh, Townsend's. Oh, so it wasn't Townsend's guitar. I've always heard that it was Tom and, uh, Townsend's guitar that he was playing. I mean, it could have been, they might've just left that fact out of this.

Yeah. Oh, so they, they wanted to play first. So the, who wanted to play first? Yeah. Cause they didn't want to follow Hendrix. Yeah. Injured. Townsend smashed his guitar during their set and Hendrix later famously set his own guitar on fire. Yeah. Wow. Interesting. Yeah. There's some interesting stories like that too. Like with a Jerry Lee Lewis, you know? Uh, Oh yeah.

With a Chuck Berry. Uh huh. Lighting his piano on fire. And then following that motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. I mean, he almost killed a couple people. May or may not have killed a couple of his wives. May or may not have. Seems like he probably might've tried to kill Elvis. Did he try to kill Elvis? Yeah. He showed up drunk as hell at Graceland and tried to ram in his car through the gates and stepped out waving a gun in the air saying, I'm saying, I'm here to like, like, let's see who's the, or he said like, let's see who's the real King now.

It was trying to kill him and Elvis, meanwhile, is inside watching him through the security camera, you know, going like, oh, you gotta get down here, you know. And cops show up and Jerry Lee Lewis gets back in his car with the windows still up, doesn't realize the windows are up, grabs a liquor bottle and throws it at the cops and just shatters in his car.

Yeah, that guy was a loose fucking cannon. Yeah, I'd say. Yeah, I mean, well, Jimmy Swigert's cousin. You're gonna be a lunatic. That's right! Did you write, did you make a video about that? I don't think it made one about them being cousins, but I made one about him, you know, being a lunatic. Yeah, he was a legit lunatic. Yeah, absolutely, like, psychopath.

Jimmy Swigert's a lunatic. And their other cousin was, like, Mickey Gilley, I think, who was also a very famous country singer. Wow. Jimmy Swigert and Jerry Lee Lewis. Well, it's interesting, like, the preacher connection to entertainment. Yeah. Well, it's the same. It's one and the same. Yes. Especially that type of preacher, like a televangelist.

Oh, yeah, there they are. Yeah. Jimmy Swigert and Jerry Lee Lewis. Look at them. They both look like psychos. Let me see that. Close in on that picture again. Look at, they both look like complete psychos. If I was alone in a room with these guys and they were drinking, especially Swigert, I'd be like, I gotta get the fuck out of here. Look at his eyes.

Yeah. Like, he looks dangerous. Yes. He looks like a fighter. Yeah. He looks dangerous. Yeah, and then Jerry Lee Lewis. I have sinned. Remember that? I have sinned. He got busted with hookers. Didn't he get busted a second time? Oh, I have sinned. It was amazing. Didn't he get busted a second time after that? I don't know. I wanted to say he did, but maybe not.

You know, Kennison was a preacher, too. Yeah. Which, that's a perfect crossover, too. Perfect. Just that stage presence. I mean, obviously, that's a different kind of stage presence. Whenever you've been to church, if someone's a good preacher, they're entertaining. Yes. That's part of it. Part of it is your charisma. Yeah, when I was a kid, we went to this non -denominational church, and our preacher was like, yeah, very captivating.

Everybody loved him. He's very friendly. And he's a good guy. I mean, there was no dark side to him, as far as I know. But there's definitely ones that have a big old dark side. He was caught in a second prostitution scandal in California in 1991. Oh, my goodness. I mean, you like what you like. What was the first one? 88 and then 91, three years later.

They had their eye on him. I've sinned against you, my lord.

Well, speaking of what's -his -name -just -died. Fun times. What's -his -name -just -died, old Jim Baker. Did he? Yeah. Oh, that's right. Like a couple days ago. Oh, that's right. And Timmy Faye died like a while back, but poor Jim. Rest in peace, I suppose. Yeah. And who was the gal? Timmy Faye. No, the other gal that he had the affair with.

Oh, oh, um... Oh, boy. I always get the Clinton scandal. She's very pretty. That one mixed up, like, names -wise. Jessica Hahn. Jessica Hahn. Yeah, that's it. And Jessica Hahn went on to become Sam Kinison's girlfriend. Oh, really? Yeah. I didn't know that. That's interesting. And went on the Howard Stern Show and talked shit about Sam Kinison.

That's amazing. God, that's a good... Yeah. Wow, I did not know that. Yeah. Yeah, that's the connection. Yeah, you should put a video... 100%. 100%. Yeah, I never knew that one. Yeah, Jessica Hahn had a fling with Sam Kinison. God. Yeah. Can you imagine? There she is. She was hot back in the Disney. See if there's a photo of Jessica Hahn with Sam Kinison.

Look at her. Dirty. My God. Dirty, hot, lots of makeup. That's how I like them. Yeah. Woo! That's... Yeah. Oh, that's her in the... Sam Kinison and Jessica Hahn. Is that the Wild Thing video? Remember when they did Wild Thing? Like the cover? Yeah. Wild Thing. That's her. I'm pretty sure that's her. Yeah. That's her. Go back to that last picture.

Bro, she's hot as fuck. Super hot. Woo! Jesus. Jim Baker. Let's go. Yeah, so Jim Baker. I mean... Yeah. My God. Killing it.

I mean, who... How could you fucking be mad at him? I mean, who wouldn't be tempted by that? Like, that's what I'm saying. I've sinned. Oh, my God. I've sinned, my Lord. I mean, it could be worse. It could be the Hugh Grant situation, you know, with Devon Brown. That was a rough one. Like, you know, Jim Baker went the opposite way. Yeah, he was driving around getting street hookers.

Yeah. Like, that's what you want. You want somebody to cheat somebody with a... Hot. Yeah. Hot. Because then it's like, God damn. Yeah. Hot.

I've sinned. Boy. What a good actor. Are they all kind of all? For me, he will be that photo with him and Jerry Lewis forever. Yeah. The young man. You look in that young man's eyes. Yeah. The darkness. Do you ever watch Great Balls of Fire? Yeah. Dennis Quaid. It's Alec Baldwin, isn't it? Plays Jimmy Swagger. Oh, that's right. Yeah, and Dennis Quaid is Jerry Lewis.

Dennis Quaid was awesome. It was Jerry Lewis. He's a big Dennis Quaid. Oh, he's great. Here's him Breaking Away. That's another one. Yeah, look at that. Yeah. Yeah. There they are. Wow. It's actually like perfect casting. Yeah. Like Alec Baldwin is a good, a pretty convincing Jimmy Swagger. I haven't seen that movie in a long time. Oh, yeah.

Me neither. There's Winona Ryder too, I think, isn't it? They played the cousin that he married. Yeah. She's on the line went crazy and started stealing things. That was odd. I think people just like the pressure of that kind of fame and that life. Oh, God. For a lot of people, it's just too much. They just go crazy. Oh, they're all nuts.

I mean, James Brown was a lunatic. Oh, James Brown was amazing. He tried to kill Joe Tex at a restaurant. Well, I mean, at a club. I mean. He got in a shootout with the cops in a high -speed chase because someone was using his bathroom. Someone was taking a shit in his personal bathroom. Which is actually understandable. Yeah. It was like across four states, wasn't it? Or something like that.

They shot his tires out. Kept driving. One of my favorite videos ever is that news interview. CNN. Oh, my God. It's like, we don't need to ask. You're out on bail. I'm out of love. I mean, he just keeps reciting his song lyrics. He's like, I feel good. Shooting erupts over James Brown's height. His height. Him and his friend. Nobody just.

Police in Atmore say a man shot his friend when the two of them argued over James Brown's height. Oh, was James Brown? I thought it was too. I just saw it too. That's hilarious. The guy died. He got shot and killed. He was 73 years old. He got killed over an argument. It was unclear exactly how tall he was. James Brown. I don't know. All right, Cody.

Listen, man. Thank you very much for being here. Oh, absolutely. Always fun to talk to you. Dude, thanks for having me again. My pleasure. Yeah. Like I said, I love your page. Your book is Where Did That Come From? The Hidden History of Everyday Words and Phrases. Cody Tucker. Out now. Is there an audio version of this? No, not yet. But I am working on one.

I got the person who did the graphics. Which I gotta give a shout out. Carly, amazing job with making it look like an old school book. It does. Yeah. Her husband's a comic. KP Burke. A great dude. He does a lot of this kind of stuff, like the long form history stuff. Oh, so he's gonna read it? No, no, no. But I'm just saying, hey, he just does that.

He's a very interesting guy. You should check out at some point. Does really cool history, like long form videos. Oh, what is his channel? What is it called? I don't know. What's his name? KP Burke. He does stuff with like the SDR, you know, like Ralph Sutton and Jason Ellis and all those guys. Oh, okay. Yeah, good dude. But his wife set everything up and she's gonna do like the audio book and everything.

Oh, dope. But are you gonna read it? No, I'm gonna read it. Okay, good. Beautiful. You gotta read it. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, that would be very disappointing if you... No, I'm definitely gonna read it. All right. Beautiful. Well, thanks for being here, brother. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me. My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody.

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