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The Startup Chat with Steli and Hiten podcast.

December 31, 2019

Unfiltered insights and actionable advice straight from the trenches of startup and business life. The show hosts, Steli Efti and Hiten Shah, are both serial entrepreneurs who have founded multi-million dollar SaaS startups. Being busy CEOs of fast-growing companies, they know the value of your time and make sure you get the most out of each 22 minute episode. Tune in for new episodes every Tuesday and Friday.

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In today’s episode of The Startup Chat, Steli and Hiten talk about introverts that learned to talk.

It’s common to assume we know the difference between extroverts and introverts. One might be forgiven in believing that extroverts are talkative and outgoing people, while introverts are quiet and tend to be very private. However, this is not always the case.

In this episode, Steli and Hiten talk about the history of the startup chat, the idea of being introverted versus extroverted, the difference between an introvert and an extrovert, why categorizing people isn’t helpful and much more.

Time Stamped Show Notes:

00:00 About the topic of today’s episode

00:41 Why this topic was chosen.

01:00 The idea of being introverted versus extroverted.

02:11 The difference between an introvert and an extrovert.

03:20 Examples of introverts being extroverted.

04:05 Why categorising people isn’t helpful.

05:00 Why this might be more of an activity.

06:12 How one can use their fears as excuses.

06:44 How personality is a spectrum.

08:07 How it’s about stories you tell yourself.

3 Key Points:

Everybody has people they could be extroverted with even if they consider themselves introvertsI’m not sure there’s a difference between an introvert and an extrovert.It’s not that helpful to think in absolute categories.


Steli Efti: Hey, everybody, this is Steli Efti.


Hiten Shah: And this is Hiten Shah. Today, on The Startup Chat, we're going to talk about a very fascinating topic. The topic is about introverts that learn to talk. That's the title. I find it fascinating, I find it really fascinating, this whole idea of introvert versus extrovert. I'm going to sort of start it now that you've given me the topic, Steli, right before this, by saying, "Is there really a difference between an introvert and an extrovert?" That might be a really controversial statement. I think, my take, is that there are ... That everybody has people who they can be extroverted with, even if they consider themselves an introvert. So I want to start there,-


Steli Efti: Beautiful.


Hiten Shah: ... Because I know some self-proclaimed introverts, multiple ones.


Steli Efti: You live in Silicon Valley, how would you not? How would you not?


Hiten Shah: They tell me things like, "I don't get energy from people." But, these are the same people that I can talk to them, at least one of these two that I have in mind. I know that they'll talk to me all day. They don't have a problem talking to me. It's just interesting to me to experience that, and yet, that person say, "I'm an introvert." Sometimes, I think this is the whole point that we wanted to get to was, there are people who either consider themselves introverts, or very introverted, or have those qualities, that actually get out there and do things in the real world, and around people, and go speak like you and I do. It's something definitely worthy of talking about, because, first of all, I'm not sure if there's a difference. I'm not actually sure if I agree with the fact that there are people who are introverts and then there are people who are extroverts. I think there are just people. We tend to make up our own stories about what we like and what we don't like, and who we are and who we aren't.


Steli Efti: I love that. This is one of my favorite things about the podcast, is I'll throw a premise at you, then you'll step back and be like, "Is this premise even real?" And reframing it. So that's part of the fun of this. There's a part that I agree with and a part that I don't. So what I like and agree with, is that it is mostly, most circumstances, not that useful to think in absolute categories. Label, introvert, extrovert, pick your label and then act accordingly,

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