Smash Notes

Back to Franklin Templeton CEO on SpaceX, Anthropic, Circular Deals & the State of the Market, with Jenny Johnson.

How Did Franklin Templeton Grow Putnam's Assets?

Jenny Johnson says Franklin took Putnam's equity team, or the total assets there, from about 136 billion to over 220 billion by bringing a high-performing team onto platforms Putnam was too subscale to join. Putnam had great performance. The problem was size.

Great West Life wanted Franklin stock. Great West Life had realized managers need to be a big-scale manager to get on platforms and could see the consolidation. The seller was looking to diversify, wanted to hold stock in an asset management company, and wanted to own a broader asset manager instead of having just Putnam. In most cases Franklin paid cash, maybe cash with debt. The Putnam deal was done with a bunch of Franklin stock.

Paying somebody in the private markets with carry creates unbelievably good natural retention that buying a traditional asset manager does not have. Carry is embedded and does not get paid for years. People have multiple years where they are waiting to get paid out for investments they made five years earlier or 10 years earlier.

Transcript

Franklin Templeton CEO on SpaceX, Anthropic, Circular Deals & the State of the Market ·

Sourcery

More from this episode

  1. Why Will Interest Rates Stay Higher?Jenny Johnson thinks inflation is probably pretty sticky and rates are probably going to stay higher, after setting aside noise around AI, hyperscalers…
  2. Is AI in a Bubble?Jenny Johnson says AI feels frothy in some areas, and she would not finance data centers long term because that bet assumes today's chip manufacturing and…
  3. Why Did Franklin Templeton Start Late-stage Venture?Jenny Johnson says Franklin Templeton started late-stage venture because companies wait much longer to go public, so portfolio managers lost the IPO kickers…
  4. Why Is Franklin Templeton Investing in SpaceX and Anthropic?Jenny Johnson says Franklin Templeton invests in SpaceX and Anthropic through late-stage venture, because companies wait much longer to go public and the IPO…
  5. How Early Did Franklin Templeton Close Legg Mason?Jenny Johnson closed Franklin's deal for Legg Mason 60 days early.
  6. How Big Is Franklin Templeton's Canvas App?Jenny Johnson says the Canvas application was about two and a half billion when acquired and is now 30 billion, probably four years later.
  7. What Is the Minimum for Franklin Templeton's Tokenized Fund?Jenny Johnson says the first natively on-chain tokenized money market fund the SEC approved can open an account for $20, while a traditional Franklin…

People

More answers like this

Related episodes

Plays from this note through the rest of the episode.

Weekly highlights

One letter a week.

The notes worth hearing, with the minute they were said.