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Could John Kennedy Have Passed Lyndon Johnson's Laws?

Robert Caro says no. If John Kennedy had won in '60 and Lyndon Johnson had turned down the vice presidency and stayed majority leader, the laws Johnson later passed as president would not simply have arrived sooner. Kennedy did not have the overriding desire to change America.

John Kennedy was utterly charming. He was a good president, and he was good in foreign policy, where Johnson was not. What he lacked was Johnson's vision and the desire to change the country. Johnson came back from his year teaching poor kids determined to change the education system and to do more for poor people. The determination is what made him, at home, such a great president: the civil rights laws and the anti-poverty laws that would not have existed without him.

The tragedy is foreign policy. Johnson had an idealism about getting things done for people in America that Caro calls almost unique. When Johnson's attention turned to Vietnam, everything fell apart, the presidency was ruined, and the domestic work did not get finished the way he would have finished it. He had started, after the election, with the education laws and the anti-poverty bills. The turn to Vietnam is the great tragedy of Lyndon Johnson.

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Robert Caro – The master biographer reflects at 91 ·

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  3. How Did Robert Moses Lose His Early Idealism?Robert Caro says Robert Moses did change from a young idealist into a builder who would not listen.
  4. What Showed Robert Moses Had Lost Power?Robert Caro knew Robert Moses had lost power when a long interview ended and the secretary brought no telephone calls.
  5. Did Robert Moses Realize He Was Changing?Robert Caro says Robert Moses did not realize he was changing.
  6. How Did the Great Depression Help Robert Moses Build?Robert Caro says the Great Depression played a big role in what Robert Moses was able to build.
  7. What Was the Source of Lyndon Johnson's Power?Robert Caro says the source of Lyndon Johnson's power was the power behind his persuasion.
  8. Why Does Robert Caro Reduce a Book to One Sentence?Robert Caro reduces a new book to one sentence, or at most a paragraph, before he starts writing, so he still knows what he is trying to do years later.
  9. What Never Made It Into Robert Caro's Books?A lot of what Robert Caro researched never made it into his books. He had to cut so much from The Power Broker that he still thinks should have stayed.

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