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How Does Robert Caro Get People to Talk?

Robert Caro gets people to talk by refusing a no when that person is the only one who knows the story. Lyndon Johnson's first secretary rode in the car with him on the campaigns. No other person knows what Johnson was doing during those hours driving back and forth across Texas, so Caro had to get him to tell it honestly.

The same pressure applies when someone knows the interview will hurt them. John Connally collected the money and gave it out on Johnson's instructions, so he was the only one who could explain how Johnson judged who received it. On a request for money, Johnson would write okay and the amount asked, such as $1,500, or a smaller figure such as $500, or no, or "no, never." Connally told him "no, never" meant that person was never going to get money from Lyndon Johnson. Asking why Johnson felt that way about one congressman is when the stories that matter come out.

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Robert Caro – The master biographer reflects at 91 ·

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  1. Does America Need a Little More Robert Moses?Robert Caro says no. He does not want another Robert Moses, a builder who is ruthless and who disregards public opinion.
  2. How Did Robert Moses Lose His Early Idealism?Robert Caro says Robert Moses did change from a young idealist into a builder who would not listen.
  3. What Showed Robert Moses Had Lost Power?Robert Caro knew Robert Moses had lost power when a long interview ended and the secretary brought no telephone calls.
  4. Did Robert Moses Realize He Was Changing?Robert Caro says Robert Moses did not realize he was changing.
  5. How Did the Great Depression Help Robert Moses Build?Robert Caro says the Great Depression played a big role in what Robert Moses was able to build.
  6. What Was the Source of Lyndon Johnson's Power?Robert Caro says the source of Lyndon Johnson's power was the power behind his persuasion.
  7. Could John Kennedy Have Passed Lyndon Johnson's Laws?Robert Caro says no.
  8. Why Does Robert Caro Reduce a Book to One Sentence?Robert Caro reduces a new book to one sentence, or at most a paragraph, before he starts writing, so he still knows what he is trying to do years later.
  9. What Never Made It Into Robert Caro's Books?A lot of what Robert Caro researched never made it into his books. He had to cut so much from The Power Broker that he still thinks should have stayed.

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