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Why Did Nick Kokonas Offer to Pay His Own Boss?

Nick Kokonas offered to pay a floor trader for the chance to work for him, because that trader was the only person in the pit who could teach what he was after. The man had studied quantitative finance at the University of Chicago, worked at Chicago Research and Trading, and quit when the firm kept him off the floor for being too much of a quant. He was trading very small, with a programmable calculator, and he had just hired a clerk.

Kokonas told him to ignore that hire. He said he would pay to work for him. The odd offer got the trader's attention. The pay that came back was about $250 a week, which Kokonas thinks would be illegal now. Six months later he had a basic sense of how to make markets in options. He put up $20,000, the trader put up $40,000, and he started trading Swiss franc options.

The goal he had set was a badge and a place in the pit within a year. He was a week late and counted it, because the process was already underway. The rule he later gave the 30 or 40 people he taught was simple. On the first day in the pit, you make one trade. You open your mouth in a loud, zero-sum room and risk looking like an idiot.

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How to find your arbitrage (from the guy who’s done it 3x) ft. Nick Kokonas ·

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  2. What Does All Talk, No Action Mean?Nick Kokonas says all talk, no action is what AT&A means in his house. His wife uses the phrase on him.
  3. Why Did Nick Kokonas Erase College From His Resume?Nick Kokonas erased college from his resume so a firm would hire him as a runner at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange for $5 and 25 cents an hour.
  4. Why Is Expertise a Trap?Nick Kokonas says expertise is a trap because comfort is how you get passed.
  5. Why Is Every Arbitrage About Time?Nick Kokonas says every arbitrage is about the timescale. He turned down podcasts for about three years, then said yes to this one so he could say that.
  6. Why Did Nick Kokonas Shut Down a Risk-free Trade?Nick Kokonas shut the trade down because it worked too well.
  7. What Did Nick Kokonas's Father Say About Boats, Women, and Drugs?Nick Kokonas's father told him no boats, no women, and no drugs.
  8. Why Did Nick Kokonas Quit the Trading Floor?Nick Kokonas quit the floor because the window was closing and he did not like who he had become. Every arbitrage shuts, fast or slow.
  9. Why Are Tuesday and Saturday Dinner Reservations the Same Price?Tuesday and Saturday dinner reservations are the same price because restaurants still sell time as if every hour were worth the same.
  10. How Often Should a Busy Restaurant Change Prices?Nick Kokonas says a busy restaurant should change its prices every day, every hour, or every minute.
  11. Why Do Great Songwriters Throw Out Most Songs?Nick Kokonas says everything is grind: a great songwriter writes songs every day and throws out 98 percent of them, and while a song finished overnight might…
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  13. Why Did Alinea Start With an Empty Table?Nick Kokonas built the opening of Alinea on the concert Stop Making Sense.
  14. Why Do Magicians Stand Next to You?Magicians stand next to you because trust follows the person looking at the same thing you are. Nick Kokonas took that from old magic books.
  15. How Did Alinea Group Investors Get Paid?Alinea Group investors were paid from the first year, not only when the group was sold. Nick Kokonas sold the group in 2023.
  16. How Did Tock Finish a Buyer's Question List in Three Days?Tock finished a buyer's list of 896 questions in three days because Nick Kokonas would not let the advisors set the pace.
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