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What Is CoreWeave?

Ed Zitron says CoreWeave is a neocloud, a company that raises debt, buys GPUs, and builds data centers. He calls it the biggest of the neoclouds and the worst of them.

CoreWeave has 30 to 40 billion dollars of debt, and Morgan Stanley has said it will need 100 billion dollars more. He thinks that if CoreWeave raised debt today the rate would be 13 to 15 percent, close to a personal loan, because the neoclouds could never afford the chips out of cash flow. The customers, he says, are Microsoft buying for OpenAI, Google buying for OpenAI, Anthropic, and Meta. Jon Stewart compares the loop to a Beavis and Butt-Head bit in which two kids pass one dollar back and forth until the chocolate is gone and they still hold a single dollar. Ed Zitron says the trade works the same way, except NVIDIA keeps the real dollars. The big hyperscalers, he adds, are not the firms that go bankrupt. CoreWeave is the one with the onerous debt.

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Bursting the AI Bubble with Ed Zitron ·

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  1. Has AI Produced Any Economic Payoff?Ed Zitron says the economic payoff from AI has not arrived, even as NVIDIA has grown incredibly rich selling the chips behind it.
  2. Why Do AI Data Centers Take So Long to Build?Ed Zitron says an AI data center takes far longer to build than the race for more compute assumes.
  3. Why Is Anthropic's IPO Filing Still Blank?Ed Zitron says Anthropic loses billions of dollars, fewer billions than OpenAI, and the latest quarter of its S-1 is blank.
  4. What Are Circular AI Deals?Ed Zitron says the AI labs, the chipmakers, and the data-center landlords are renting and investing in one another.
  5. How Much Has Anthropic Promised for AI Compute?Ed Zitron says Anthropic has $430 billion in non-cancellable commitments with Amazon, Google, Microsoft, and Broadcom. The lab is not building its own compute.
  6. What Is Exit Liquidity in an AI IPO?Ed Zitron says an Anthropic IPO is exit liquidity. Buyers are sold the idea of investing in the next Google or the next Meta.
  7. Why Is Oracle's Stock Tanking?Ed Zitron says Oracle's stock is tanking because a $300 billion, five-year contract with OpenAI has nobody who can pay for it.
  8. Who Carries the Debt on AI Data Center Leases?Ed Zitron says the hyperscalers and the other landlords carry the debt on AI data-center buildouts, while most of the labs' commitments are contracts rather…
  9. Why Are Phones and Laptops More Expensive?Ed Zitron says NVIDIA chips are pushing up the price of phones, laptops, and every other consumer electronic because they crowd out ordinary computer memory.
  10. Why Won't AI Data Centers Be Reused Like Dot-com Fiber?Ed Zitron says AI data centers will not get the second life that leftover dot-com fiber got, because a half-finished AI site is useful for AI and not for much…
  11. Is an AI Bust as Bad as the Financial Crisis?Ed Zitron says an AI bust is not Great Financial Crisis level bad, but it will still be very bad, and a different kind of bad.
  12. Should Sam Altman Be in Prison?Ed Zitron says Sam Altman should be in prison, or at least at a police station.
  13. Is the OpenAI Boom a Confidence Game?Ed Zitron says the OpenAI boom is a shell game and a powerful confidence game.

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