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How Wrong Was Dario Amodei's 2021 Plan for Anthropic?

Kevin Roose says Dario Amodei's 2021 note, Vision for a New Co, written as Anthropic was starting, put a full AGI at about 10 billion dollars. Roose thinks that was off by at least one order of magnitude, and probably by multiples. The same document said Anthropic would never need more than about 50 people. He says the company now has about 5,000 people, off by about 100 times. The work has taken longer and cost quite a bit more than they thought.

Enterprise software is how the labs keep going, in his telling. It pays for the GPUs and the researchers. It is the table stakes of staying on the frontier, not the founders' real passion. Sam Altman told him, for the book, that running a giant tech company was an accident and had never been the plan. Roose also says no one has gone from zero dollars in revenue to a potential two trillion dollar IPO in five years. They are scrambling to build the plane as it heads toward the event horizon. That is his read of their forecasts, not a verdict that the companies are failing.

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Kevin Roose is AGI-pilled. Why aren't you? ·

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  2. What Is the Machine Gods Podcast?Kevin Roose says Machine Gods, the show he and Casey Newton started after Hard Fork, is meant to be video first.
  3. What Is AI Realism?Kevin Roose says AI realism, Casey Newton's phrase, is the stance of people who are resigned to AI or excited that it is not going away.
  4. Why Did Kevin Roose Write the AGI Chronicles?Kevin Roose wrote The AGI Chronicles because he was afraid the record of this era would vanish.
  5. Why Won't Sundar Pichai Say AGI?Kevin Roose says Sundar Pichai does not say AGI. Demis Hassabis does, and Sergey Brin does. Roose does not think the labs feel it equally.
  6. How Did OpenAI's Compute Bet Pay Off?Kevin Roose says the belief that led Sam Altman and his executives to bet, and maybe overbet, on compute last year is why OpenAI is in a better position than…
  7. Why Do AI Labs Keep Building If AGI Is Dangerous?Kevin Roose says he asked some version of this of the about 150 people he interviewed for The AGI Chronicles: if it is so dangerous, why are you doing it?
  8. Why Did Bing's Chatbot Sydney Feel Human?Kevin Roose says he never thought Sydney, the Bing chatbot, was alive, and he said so at the time.
  9. Will OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google Become Trillion-dollar Companies?Kevin Roose says OpenAI will make it, Anthropic will make it, and Google will make it.
  10. Why Is Kevin Roose AGI-pilled?Kevin Roose says Sydney, the Bing chatbot, is what started to make him AGI-pilled. After that it was gradual.

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