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What Is AI Realism?

Kevin Roose says AI realism, Casey Newton's phrase, is the stance of people who are resigned to AI or excited that it is not going away. They are curious, interested, and maybe a little scared, and the reaction to the fear is to understand the technology instead of looking away. That is the audience Machine Gods is looking for.

The show is not saying AI is amazing and that an AI utopia is coming. It is also not saying the technology is fake, will disappear on its own, and so needs no regulation and no worry. For a while, Roose says, there was a lot of demand for that kind of cope: this is not happening, you do not have to pay attention, it sucks, it is hurting the environment. He still sees a lot of that on YouTube, and he calls Reddit very anti-AI. He thinks most people, or at least a plurality, now sit with resignation or excitement instead.

They felt the shift while making Hard Fork. A Claude Code walkthrough, half an hour of building a website, filmed and posted, did great. The comments came from people who hated AI, and there was still clear demand from people who just wanted to know what was going on.

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Kevin Roose is AGI-pilled. Why aren't you? ·

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  1. Why Did Kevin Roose Leave the New York Times?Kevin Roose left The New York Times, and left Hard Fork with Casey Newton, to build on YouTube.
  2. What Is the Machine Gods Podcast?Kevin Roose says Machine Gods, the show he and Casey Newton started after Hard Fork, is meant to be video first.
  3. Why Did Kevin Roose Write the AGI Chronicles?Kevin Roose wrote The AGI Chronicles because he was afraid the record of this era would vanish.
  4. Why Won't Sundar Pichai Say AGI?Kevin Roose says Sundar Pichai does not say AGI. Demis Hassabis does, and Sergey Brin does. Roose does not think the labs feel it equally.
  5. How Did OpenAI's Compute Bet Pay Off?Kevin Roose says the belief that led Sam Altman and his executives to bet, and maybe overbet, on compute last year is why OpenAI is in a better position than…
  6. How Wrong Was Dario Amodei's 2021 Plan for Anthropic?Kevin Roose says Dario Amodei's 2021 note, Vision for a New Co, written as Anthropic was starting, put a full AGI at about 10 billion dollars.
  7. Why Do AI Labs Keep Building If AGI Is Dangerous?Kevin Roose says he asked some version of this of the about 150 people he interviewed for The AGI Chronicles: if it is so dangerous, why are you doing it?
  8. Why Did Bing's Chatbot Sydney Feel Human?Kevin Roose says he never thought Sydney, the Bing chatbot, was alive, and he said so at the time.
  9. Will OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google Become Trillion-dollar Companies?Kevin Roose says OpenAI will make it, Anthropic will make it, and Google will make it.
  10. Why Is Kevin Roose AGI-pilled?Kevin Roose says Sydney, the Bing chatbot, is what started to make him AGI-pilled. After that it was gradual.

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