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How Does Dyna Robotics Generate Synthetic Robot Data?

Jason Ma says his team generates synthetic robot data with frontier models that build synthetic environments and with a world action model that makes its own training videos. Synthetic environments, synthetic data, and simulation data are one of the next frontiers for robotics. Egocentric data and robot data are already scaling, and synthetic data is a new dimension of scaling.

In his PhD he focused on simulation-based training for robotics, and simulation was not ready. Eureka was the first paper to take a large language model, GPT-4, to self-generate environments and reward functions for reinforcement learning in simulation. The demo was a robot spinning pencils. The model lacked good vision and an innate 3D understanding, so it generated code from limited text feedback. Frontier model vision is now strong enough for real-to-sim, CADing, and 3D reconstruction. The team treats the shift as a way to get tailored data while building models and hardware, and the technology is worth going very deep into.

They have also used their own world action model. The model generates actions and videos, so it can generate its own training data, a self-fulfilling flywheel. They have scaled to a million hours of data and are deploying robots that already do cool things, still only the tip of the iceberg.

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Dyna-2: General Purpose Physical Agents with Hour-Long Autonomy — Jason Ma, Dyna Robotics ·

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  1. What Is a World-action Model?Jason Ma says a world-action model predicts the future video of the world and also turns that prediction into actions a robot can execute.
  2. Why Does Dyna 2 Use a Diffusion Transformer?Jason Ma says the Dyna 2 world action model is a diffusion transformer.
  3. Why Must a Robot Model Run on the Device?Jason Ma says a robot model has to run on the device because the robot must infer fast enough to act. A language model or a coding agent can wait.
  4. Why Does Dyna Robotics Size Robots Like People?Jason Ma says the robot's proportions are measured against real people because the team pre-trains on human data and treats the match as the transfer path…
  5. What Is a Semi-humanoid Robot?Jason Ma describes the robot as a semi-humanoid: the upper body is like a humanoid, and the lower body is wheels.
  6. Why Does the Dyna Robot Lean Its Torso?Jason Ma gave the Dyna robot a torso that can lean because people use the waist and back for ordinary tasks, and a body that only travels up and down cannot…
  7. What Limits Hour-long Robot Jobs?Jason Ma says the bottleneck for doing an hour-long full job on any task is data and hardware.
  8. Why Did Din Tai Fung Put Robots in Many Restaurants?Jason Ma says Din Tai Fung put Dyna robots in many United States restaurants because the chain decided the robots create enough value to roll out across…
  9. How Can a Robot Work Alone for an Hour?Jason Ma says a robot can work alone for an hour when a hierarchical agent harness sits around the world-action model and strings short skills into one…
  10. Why Did People Think AI Would Never Solve Go?Jason Ma thinks people, before AlphaGo, treated Go as one of the games that AI would never solve, because the search space is larger than the total number of…

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