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Why Must a Robot Model Run on the Device?

Jason Ma says a robot model has to run on the device because the robot must infer fast enough to act. A language model or a coding agent can wait. ChatGPT can take a couple of seconds before it answers. A robot cannot hold a knife and do nothing for three seconds, and gravity does not pause while the robot juggles a ball with a tennis racket.

A call to a remote model has no latency guarantee, and self-driving a car has no guarantee either. The model that gets deployed has to stay a reasonable size so it can be served locally, on-prem. The model trained first can still be large. The best way to make a small model very smart is distillation: train the biggest model, then distill it. Robotics is getting there, and people are going to converge on that pattern.

Latency makes the whole stack matter. He builds an inference stack in-house for whatever model gets deployed and optimizes inference speed for the kind of model running.

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Dyna-2: General Purpose Physical Agents with Hour-Long Autonomy — Jason Ma, Dyna Robotics ·

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  1. What Is a World-action Model?Jason Ma says a world-action model predicts the future video of the world and also turns that prediction into actions a robot can execute.
  2. Why Does Dyna 2 Use a Diffusion Transformer?Jason Ma says the Dyna 2 world action model is a diffusion transformer.
  3. How Does Dyna Robotics Generate Synthetic Robot Data?Jason Ma says his team generates synthetic robot data with frontier models that build synthetic environments and with a world action model that makes its own…
  4. Why Does Dyna Robotics Size Robots Like People?Jason Ma says the robot's proportions are measured against real people because the team pre-trains on human data and treats the match as the transfer path…
  5. What Is a Semi-humanoid Robot?Jason Ma describes the robot as a semi-humanoid: the upper body is like a humanoid, and the lower body is wheels.
  6. Why Does the Dyna Robot Lean Its Torso?Jason Ma gave the Dyna robot a torso that can lean because people use the waist and back for ordinary tasks, and a body that only travels up and down cannot…
  7. What Limits Hour-long Robot Jobs?Jason Ma says the bottleneck for doing an hour-long full job on any task is data and hardware.
  8. Why Did Din Tai Fung Put Robots in Many Restaurants?Jason Ma says Din Tai Fung put Dyna robots in many United States restaurants because the chain decided the robots create enough value to roll out across…
  9. How Can a Robot Work Alone for an Hour?Jason Ma says a robot can work alone for an hour when a hierarchical agent harness sits around the world-action model and strings short skills into one…
  10. Why Did People Think AI Would Never Solve Go?Jason Ma thinks people, before AlphaGo, treated Go as one of the games that AI would never solve, because the search space is larger than the total number of…

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