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Is Catching the AI Frontier Getting More Expensive?

Misha Laskin says catching up to the frontier can be done a lot more capital efficiently, and the price still climbs every year. A year ago, or maybe 18 months ago, the cost was on the order of 100 million dollars, hundreds of millions. Now, or even six months ago, it is probably on the order of a billion, single-digit billions of dollars. Going into next year, he thinks the order is 10, tens of billions.

Each generation of model brings roughly a 4x multiplier in compute. A couple of years ago the frontier chip was an H100, and a large run was maybe 100,000 H100s. Astra was a big training run on 100,000 Blackwells, roughly a 4x multiplier on an H100. The next generation is going to be around 100,000 Vera Rubins. The chip counts show how scale moves from hundreds of millions to billions to tens of billions.

A lab needs a lot of resources to build something meaningful. While it is catching up, it can spend less than a lab already at the frontier. Once it is really at the frontier of intelligence, it needs the same amount of resources as any other frontier lab. Research there is exploration of new ideas versus execution of known ideas. Great talent cuts down on exploration so the work can focus on execution of the things that work.

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Beam: The Great American Open Model with ReflectionAI Co-Founder and CEO Misha Laskin ·

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  1. What Was Hardest About Building Reflection AI?Misha Laskin says the hardest part of building Reflection was everything.
  2. How Was the Open Model Beam Trained?Misha Laskin says Beam was trained as a 500-billion-parameter model, with 23 billion of those parameters active. Pre-training ran on 6,000 GB300s.
  3. What Sets a Foundation for Intelligence?Misha Laskin says code and agentic work set a foundation for intelligence, and the intelligence is jagged.
  4. Have Open Models Overtaken Closed Models?Misha Laskin says the mix of tokens on model gateways has flipped from mostly closed to mostly open, and he thinks the shift will only accelerate.
  5. When Do Enterprises Switch to Open Models?Misha Laskin says enterprises consider open models after they ramp up significant workloads on closed models.
  6. What Do Open Models Do to AI Margins?Misha Laskin says open models compress margins across the whole AI stack.
  7. How Do Chinese Open Models Help Companies in the West?Misha Laskin says companies in the West have built more durable businesses because a great open-model ecosystem came from China, and he calls that a gift.
  8. Why Is Openness Safer for AI?Misha Laskin says openness is safer for AI because openness is already the safety default in software, and a few hundred researchers inside closed labs cannot…
  9. Can a PhD Take a Week With AI?Misha Laskin says a PhD can now take a week. Finding the right question and executing the answer to write a doctorate took a few years.
  10. How Does Beam Choose Its Next Training Bets?Misha Laskin says Beam chooses its next training bets by exhausting the high-impact methods the team already knows work, then expanding into riskier ideas.
  11. How Many Researchers Does a Frontier AI Lab Need?Misha Laskin estimates a steady state around an order of 100 researchers for a large effort like the one he is running.

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