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Should Seed Investors Sell When Founders Take Money Off the Table?

David Tisch does not sell early, even when founders take money off the table. He works for the LPs who invest money in the firm, and his customers are founders. His job is to return as much money as he can, and getting out of a seed position early carries both financial risk and reputational risk.

He invests at the seed stage to join the founder for the journey. The journey can last 15 years, 20 years, or four years. If a founder does not want an early sale, selling risks the relationship. He rejects the idea that an investor should sell just because the founder is taking secondary. Founders live under a different set of economic conditions. A founder with debt, or living in a place that creates stress, becomes better at the company with money outside of work. With 10, 20, or 30 million dollars in pocket, the founder is willing to see the company through and take a bigger risk. The best companies compound the most at the end. Going from a 2 billion dollar company to a 4 billion dollar company and then an 8 billion dollar company is easier than going from zero to a billion, so an early exit leaves the most money on the table. Taking 20% of a position off so the math looks good is a different risk analysis.

When he or a partner still believes in a company, de-risking is the wrong answer. They are in the business of risk and should stay invested in companies that keep compounding, because every turn at the end is a big win for the LPs, the firm, and the founders.

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20VC: David Tisch on Why High Ownership and Concentration is BS | Why No Manager Actually Wants to Stay Small | Why Competing with the Mega Platforms is a Losing Game | Why the Lean Startup is a Fake? ·

The Twenty Minute VC: Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch

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  1. Why Is Today's Venture Market Not a Repeat of 2021?David Tisch says the venture market now has nothing to do with 2021.
  2. Why Do Later Startup Rounds Dilute Founders Less?David Tisch says fast-growing companies now give up far less of the company in later rounds, so an early check gets diluted less.
  3. Why Does David Tisch Think High Ownership at Seed Is Overrated?David Tisch says trying to buy 10 to 20 percent of a true outlier in the seed round, and beat the best venture firms to do it, is a bet he has never understood.
  4. Is the Lean Startup Method Fake?David Tisch says the lean startup was a total fake.
  5. Why Does David Tisch Take 1 Percent Ownership?David Tisch will take a 1 percent or 2 percent stake when the founder is unbelievable and the opportunity is amazing.
  6. Why Did Box Group Stop Funding Brands?David Tisch says Box Group has stopped funding brands, and he does not think the brands are small.
  7. What Is Rogo in Finance AI?David Tisch was in the earliest round of Rogo, a company building AI for finance.
  8. Does Pro Rata Help Founders More Than Firms?David Tisch says having pro rata in the documents helps the founder more than it helps the firm.
  9. Why Do New Venture Managers Outgrow a Small Fund?David Tisch says new venture managers do not plan to stay with a small fund. Very few people get into venture wanting to keep doing the same thing.
  10. Why Does David Tisch Ban Negativity in Seed Decisions?David Tisch bars negativity when his firm decides on early stage deals.
  11. Why Is Y Combinator Different From Every Other Venture Firm?David Tisch says Y Combinator is the only differentiated product in venture because no one else gets the ownership Y Combinator gets.

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