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Why Did Framer's Revenue Stall at Five Million?

Koen Bok and Jorn van Dijk say early Framer revenue reached a million, then three, four, and five million, and then growth slowed, the opposite of what had to happen. Five years ago the goal was triple, triple, double, double. Framer was not tripling after 4 million. Getting stuck at 5 million did not look like a path to a company that could IPO or become the new Adobe.

Venture capital was part of the pressure, and their own ambition to build a significant company was the larger part. Funding works as a forcing function. Without it, founders can grow 20% a year, pay themselves market plus, keep going for a few years, and feel bored later. When a company is not doing well, the investors tend to write it off, which buys time to continue or to pivot. The mechanics are more useful than venture capital usually gets credit for.

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  3. Why Does Koen Bok Say Design Tools Will Look Like Notion?Koen Bok says he and Jorn van Dijk were wrong about high-fidelity tools. They started Framer convinced that design needed more of them.
  4. Why Did Framer Pivot Instead of Selling?Jorn van Dijk says the lunch came down to three options: quit and give the money back, try to sell what was left after expenses, or pivot.
  5. Why Do Startup Websites Look Better Than Seven Years Ago?Soleio credits Framer with a handprint on the aesthetic, the language, and the medium of the web.
  6. Why Can't AI Make a Website Button Blue?Koen Bok and Jorn van Dijk say a chat tool can make a landing page fast, and speed is the main advantage, but the page looks generic.

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