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Elon Musk x Nelk Boys | Ep. 53
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All right, can't believe this is happening, but it's going fucking down. It's going
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down.
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In, I guess, 16 minutes, Elon Musk is pulling up to the fucking full send podcast. Round of applause. It's
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fucking crazy. Round of applause. We gotta give a round
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of applause. This is a huge podcast. You guys are fired up. We're fired up. Elon Musk.
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John Shiesty.
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Big shout out to John.
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Yeah, thank you. But
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like, like what a fucking, we're, we're gonna tell a story too. So, we got Salim here, we got Stiney here, and we got President of Full Sen, John,
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sitting
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in on this episode. Steve could not be here, and this episode is pretty much dedicated to him too, cause he's a huge Elon fan.
his channel was fucking,
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permanently
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deleted by YouTube. Literally,
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probably
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twelve hours ago, we landed in Texas, and we literally found out that his channel was being fucking deleted. And he was so, he was supposed to be on this pod, and he just said, yo guys, I can't, just can't really do it right now. I'm just not in the mood, but.
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It was the ultimate mindfuck, because we landed, we had two texts, one from YouTube, that the channel's being permanently deleted, and one from Elon confirming the podcast. So we're like, whoa, wait a minute. Yeah, I know, right? Are we fucking freaking out here, or are we fucking devastated? We, it was a mindfuck. Shout
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out Steve, though. Shout out to Steve. How long has this channel run for, two years? Three years?
Speaker 3
Dude, we've been going since 2018. When it was posted, it got me emotional.
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2018. Three years, I think it was at 4.7 something million people. About to hit 5 million subs, too, which is crazy.
Speaker 3
Well, I got some stats here. Crushing
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the game for that long, grinding. Steve worked fucking hard, you know that, too, on his videos. He do whatever it takes, so.
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One thing about Steve, too, is people just think he's all an entertainer, but that guy gets shit done. He doesn't make excuses.
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No, he works hard as fuck. He doesn't
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quit. He doesn't sleep. He gets to the finish line, right? And that's why I think his channel got to where it got.
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Check out these stats I got today. Steve will do it. In how many years? Two years? Of the channel? Two, three years. Alright. Gave away thirty-two cars, fifty-two watches, three houses, over one million dollars in US cash, over three million dollars in pesos.
Speaker 4
How, how many cars? Thirty-two, you said?
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One of them's mine, one of them's Salim's.
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I have one, one of them's Chinese,
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but it got taken back. No,
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I gave that, we gave that one away, but I have one. One
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of those watches taken back too.
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Yeah, I, I, I didn't do the net amount.
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Okay. Well, that's
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alright. You know, but
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But yeah, it's just crazy. I mean, that was very shocking to us and we're just, I just can't believe it, bro. Like, I just,
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it's pretty
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fucking wild. No,
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that'd make me cry if my family.
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I'd be crying, bro. I'd
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be tear, that'd be sad.
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So we gotta crush this episode for Steve.
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Yeah.
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Big Elon fan.
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Yeah.
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And honestly, shout out him for fucking continuing to be edgy and not giving a fuck. Like, it takes balls to do that shit. Yeah. It's like
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the
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Trump episode, right? Yeah. I
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mean, I think It's just the reality of the world now, is that,
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you know,
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we gotta build our own shit. We're working on it.
Pretty crazy though,
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no, if you think about it, man, getting Donald Trump, Elon Musk now, I mean, like, possibilities are endless. Like, we're only at a million subs on Full Stack Podcast. Dana White
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twice.
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Dana White twice.
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Do we know what episode number this is? Ricky
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Fowler. Ricky Fowler was huge. Ricky Fowler was a huge one. Ocho Cinco too.
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Good line, good line.
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Ricky. Shout out to
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Stiney for, before we get into Elon Musk, shout out to Stiney for landing Ricky Fowler.
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And for the record, I've had a few others that are big names that we've cancelled on. Fair?
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Who?
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Stiney, Stiney almost made us do YK Osiris.
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Oh.
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Dude, YK's funny. YK, no, he's. We cancelled on Wiz Khalifa. Cancelled on,
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Wiz would've been good, Wiz would've been good, Wiz
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is fine.
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And we rescheduled Wiz for this, by the way. That's fine. Not just for the hell of it. Well, we cancelled
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on him a couple times, but, also, Lana Rhodes, which would've been good. That's
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more YouTubey.
Speaker 4
Yeah, but still.
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This is a full-time podcast. And, I mean, the list
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goes on, I don't want to waste too much time with that, but. Those are a couple of them.
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Yeah, this is crazy. John, how did, how did this initially go down?
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How'd you get his email?
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Well, John, John, we'll tell the story, we'll, we'll tell it when Elon gets here, but. I've
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known Elon for, nine years now, it's 2013.
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Are you guys boys?
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We're cool. I mean, he, he always, he always takes care of me. We run into, to each other sometimes here and there, and.
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First name basis?
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Yeah.
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It's fucking lit.
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no, what, what do you mean first? What, what else?
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Like he like, does he dap you up or?
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Bro?
Speaker 4
No, but does he dap you up or handshake?
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Or
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is it just like a quick props and keep it moving? Like it's just a head nod. There was
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one time I saw him at Delilah, of all places. He was at Delilah in West Hollywood and he saw me, he jumped, he came, came out of his table. I didn't want to go cause I don't want to bother him. He was with his family and he's like, what are you doing here? I was like, I was there with a friend. You guys should come sit over here. We hung out and we were out till like 2 a.m.
You
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see one of his baby mamas? I
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don't remember.
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How long ago was this? This
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was like, maybe like 2018. 2018.
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So how long ago, you've, you've had his email since, you've always had him on email. And
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his phone number.
Speaker 2
What's that?
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And his phone number too.
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But, but you hit him over email. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah.
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So how did, what, when did you first hit him on email? How long ago? For the pod.
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For the pod, I want to say I hit him, hit him like. I think like shortly after the Trump episode, I sent him the Trump episode.
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That's persistence, right? Did he
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respond?
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He did.
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What'd he say?
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He said, not yet, but let's, he's like, but let's, you know, some, maybe, I think he said like some, maybe sometime in the future.
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But
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I wasn't like, no, it was like, not yet. So the first
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time you reached out to him, he literally was like, I'm down, but not now? And then how many times till now did you like message him in between, like tell the story?
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Like five times.
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What, what, what difference does that make? So
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I sent that one, sent him some of the press about us and, you know, the episode being taken down by YouTube, because I know he's all about censorship as well.
the, I sent him. So you're just
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constantly updating him on, on what we're doing.
Speaker 3
Yeah, but I think the big one actually that I sent him recently was, I did the Money Buys Happiness, podcast, the new, the new full send podcast, and there was a clip in there when I told the Bieber story, and I sent him this. I was like, yo, check out this, like, you know, story that I told in, in this podcast. Would love to have you on ours.
And that's when he wrote back. I forgot the wording, but he wrote like, we, we could get that done soon. And that's when I was with you. I was like, and you're like, well, tell him this weekend. And I was like, this weekend? He's like, well, I don't know if I'm going to be in Texas or in Florida. And I said, well, how's Monday? Where will you be on Monday? He says, most likely Texas.
So we'll be there. I dropped a little Sammy's birthday. I was like, don't, don't, no, if you remember my brother Sammy, but it's his birthday that day too. This will be really good. I dropped a little bit of that too. And he wrote back, very cool. Text me the day of. I'll give you an address.
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Intimidated by this guy though.
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Elon Musk?
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Just cause it's like,
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low key too.
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With someone who's so much smarter than all of us, it's just fucking intimidating. Is that fair?
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You heard what Joe Rogan said.
Speaker 4
No.
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He said, Joe Rogan said, you feel like a stupid person talking to him. Like you feel like you're not. Like on his level, smartness. Well,
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nobody is, bro. I don't,
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like you feel stupid talking to like Elon because of how intelligent he is, you know?
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Who's more impressive than this guy in the world? I don't think there is any. Not
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many people.
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Not many. He's
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impressive cause he's all, he's smart and he's also funny as fuck, man. Like his Twitter is so funny.
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But one thing I didn't know about him is like, he likes to party and wheel. I did not
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know too. I didn't know he had nine, nine baby monkeys. I feel like
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that's kind of common with kids. Is that true?
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I thought he was
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just like a pure nerd, but he's like.
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No, no, no, no, he's cool. He's
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a beauty.
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Yeah.
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I think the thing is when you're that successful and you're that stressed out, that's kind of your getaway is fucking partying. Right?
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Yeah.
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Talk about Trump.
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Yeah.
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How was seeing your boy?
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Trump?
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Yeah.
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It was dope. We saw Trump at Live. yeah, he came up to us, or he's like, where's the Nelk boys? Yeah,
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Live Golf,
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not Live Miami. Oh, not Live Miami,
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yeah. No, no,
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Live Golf, yeah. We saw him at
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Live Golf.
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Funny to see him there.
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And he's like, where's the, he's like, where's the Nelk boys come here? Like, I want to get some fame and shit.
Speaker 4
Really?
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So funny.
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The best thing he's ever said is, you didn't fold, bro. I didn't know, like, politicians said that. I thought that was more of like a rapper thing.
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It is pretty still, it's still nerve-wracking talking to Trump, though.
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It is, yeah. Like, seeing
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him again was like... He said the same thing,
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though, about not folding when we golfed with him in LA a couple months ago.
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I think we got to get We gotta start being the connectors with these pod too, with this pod, like we could start connecting people. Like I feel like one day we gotta get Trump and Elon on at the same time.
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That'd be cool.
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And we could start lighter, Kodak and Trump.
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Kodak and Trump. We need
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to do like a AOC and DeSantis.
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No, no. What
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happened to Kim? Come on, bro,
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that, would that not be entertaining? Are you not entertained? I
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think we should get someone left wing on, but everyone says that like, why don't you get someone left wing on? We're down, they won't do it.
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But also if I'm a politician, I'm left wing, my attitude is I'll come on there and destroy all three of these fucking young kids.
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You're pretty left wing though, right, Stiney?
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Left wing people don't roll like that though.
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I think the only one that would have
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the,
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I think the only one that would have the balls to come on would be Bernie Sanders. Bernie
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Sanders I think would do it. Cause he's a really good debater. Yeah,
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he's a good debater. I'd love to go out
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with this, with that guy.
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Like I don't agree with everything he says, but you can't deny Bernie Sanders is a good debater. Yeah, exactly. He's a good speaker. I
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don't like him. I mean,
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Bernie Sanders would be fire on the pod, why not?
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Yeah, I would love that moment. It's not like we
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do everybody that we like.
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Yeah.
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We have Pomoski.
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That'd
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be
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huge.
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We should kinda have somebody on, I think, that we don't get along with and, like, like, get the fireworks a little bit.
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AOC would be, that'd be viral.
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I just don't
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think she would ever do it.
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She would never do it.
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Yeah.
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I don't know. Let's
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try.
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Why wouldn't she? I'll DM her right now.
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Right, DM her. Oh, yeah, you'd like her.
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She's like,
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she's like the leader of, like, the left-wing,
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like, feminist,
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green,
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like, climate change.
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Her and Andrew
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Tate came on, it would be the craziest thing. We would
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have to speak.
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No,
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it'd be insane. If you guys saw the
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fucking Nelk video, too, check the Nelk video. We did it. So, we're going back, we're going from Andrew Tate on the pod, which right now is at 5.5 million views in four days. What?
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5.7. 5.7
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million in four days.
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And
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now we're going straight to Elon, which this one's obviously gonna blow up.
But yeah, it's fucking crazy, man.
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There's tons of
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people left.
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What, guests? Two.
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We got Bieber we gotta get. We got Drake.
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Kim Jong-un.
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Kim Jong-un.
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Tom Brady.
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Tom Brady.
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Steph Curry. Steph
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Curry. Wayne Gretzky, I'll throw that in there. Kanye West. Kanye West.
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Tiger Woods.
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Kim Kardashian. Tiger
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Woods. DJ Khaled, who you're talking to. Kylie Jenner.
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DJ Khaled, who you're talking to.
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Is there
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anybody big that we're missing?
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Hey, listen, Kendall's possible. She's like one of the-
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I'm not
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even lying, call me crazy.
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I think it's
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possible that we could get, and Bob used to say it too, but Kim Jong-un is possible.
Speaker 3
Yeah, I think
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it's possible too. You might be the
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most possible on who you just listed.
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Yeah,
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probably because-
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Outside of Bieber.
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He's like, I think North Korea would want to like show off what a great country it is.
Speaker 4
I don't know if I would go there.
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I'd go.
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North Korea?
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I don't know, man. Why?
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No,
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like you don't just fly in. If they come in- No, we'd go. I'd go. I'd go.
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I would go.
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How did Rodman go?
Speaker 4
He reached, okay, so I know this story. Kim Jong-un reached out to Jordan and said, hey, I would love to meet with you. Jordan denied, so he reached out to Pippin. Pippin denied, and then he reached out to Rodman, and Rodman said, fuck it, I'm coming.
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Rodman was
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saying, like, he has his own ski resort, he has his own, like, island. Like, they're literally just going there, and they're just,
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if he's allowing
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North Korean chicks.
Speaker 4
Yeah, well, that's dope. If he's not gonna fuck around, then I'm down to go.
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They wouldn't, they wouldn't invite us to, like, keep us there and shit.
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And we have
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to go in Trump's office.
Speaker 4
Yeah, until we interview him and we piss him
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off. We have to go in Trump's office, for sure. If Biden's in office, we're not going.
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If
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Trump's there, there is no way that he would let us. He might
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come with us. He would, right? Yeah,
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he would. No, let's manifest it. That's the movie. We're just, we're gonna go to North Korea with Trump. Yeah.
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We gotta pull up.
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We're going to North Korea with Trump.
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Vote Trump 2024, get him in office, so he could take us to North Korea.
Speaker 4
I, I think as a citizen. I might not be
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available that week, but the boys will go.
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I think we gotta sit back too and just, Bradley
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Martin.
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Reflect, like we've been thinking like a lot lately, like, shit's fucking crazy, bro.
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Really crazy.
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Like,
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don't think that we don't think this is crazy, guys. Like,
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I'm nervous. Like, every
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time it's like, we think this shit's crazy, and then it's like, we just keep outdoing ourselves.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
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And it's like, we got such a great group of people, like everyone here, that's just like, we're all pushing each other, and like, we're just, we're just all kinda competitive, and we just wanna win, and we just wanna kill it, and like have fun, and like.
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Tells the competition, but we also want to make one another proud, all right? Like, I'm always thinking, like, how do I make you guys proud? Like, how, what do I have to do? How do I make Steve proud? You know, once again, shout out to Steve. Miss you, bro. It's
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crazy, this is like, it's insane that, like,
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it's kind of, it is crazy, cause I have Elon's car.
Speaker 4
The past six months have been the craziest months of all time, bro. I think what really started was when we did the Miami trip, when Lil Durk, Kodak, and since then it's just been fucking trending. So Stiney's
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saying right when he joined the pod, pretty much.
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No, I wasn't on
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this pod. No,
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I didn't say that. And I am grateful to be on this pod, so I appreciate you guys and the fans for having us. He's just
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doing it cause he gets money
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credit. Stiney's been crazy right when I joined the pod, everything just fucking broke and shit.
Speaker 4
Bro, I said the last six months have been insane, they have been.
Speaker 2
Yeah,
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so.
Speaker 3
Stiney does work really hard behind the scenes on the pod, too. Yeah.
Speaker 4
I didn't know you
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went over questions and stuff.
Speaker 4
Yeah, bro. It was
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interesting.
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Study hard, I love this shit, man. So you, dude, for me, it's like, how many people in the world get an opportunity to sit down with these people? And if you have that opportunity, like, you gotta fucking show up. You know? If you don't show up and you get to sit down with Elon Musk and you're not prepared, it's like, that's such a waste.
And it's unfair to people who are like, trying to get that their whole life. No,
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no, please just say that this is gonna help you with a large graphic of women after Elon Musk, cause I know, like,
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it's
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gonna be. 100%.
Speaker 4
That's not why I'm, that's like some side, like, I'm stoked for that, like, but that's not the main reason.
Speaker 3
Yo, he told me, I, I, I told him, I was like, yo, Elon and security asked to make sure hotel staff, no one in the hotel knows Elon's coming, cause that's usually who leaks. He goes,
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nah, I told a couple,
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he told me, he told a couple girls by the pool already.
Speaker 2
Are you
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serious? What are the,
Speaker 2
what are the odds Elon comes and fires with us tonight? That is, realistically.
Speaker 4
I mean, dude, it's, you're with him at Delilah till 2 a.m. Percentage-wise.
Speaker 2
50-50. No. I'd, I'd say it's like a good 10%.
Speaker 4
I
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think after this. We, we're gonna get hammered on the pod, we're gonna hop on a jet, and we're gonna go to like Mexico with Elon or something. We're gonna party, slam hookies, we're gonna gamble on steak with Elon,
do some sweet bonanzis with Elon,
Speaker 4
maybe a fruit party.
Speaker 2
I don't know, and I think it's just gonna be a great night.
Speaker 4
I'll have fruit party with Elon, that'd be funny,
Speaker 3
that'd be funny, going on steak, going on jack hand with him.
Speaker 4
He might play Crash.
Speaker 1
He
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might
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be
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a Crash genius, man.
Speaker 1
Sure.
Speaker 4
Here, this one.
Speaker 3
Yeah, we usually do the cups if someone's drinking water.
Speaker 2
Elon in the house, pouring a happy dad right
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out of the gate.
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Should we cheers to that? Cheers. Cheers. Thanks for coming, Elon. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 5
Cheers.
Speaker 2
How was your day? What'd you get up to today?
Just work or like working or how was your day?
Speaker 5
Should I get closer to the mic? Yeah, probably. Let's
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fix it.
Speaker 5
Hi.
Speaker 2
We're just rolling, too. We just always just go straight for it. Hello.
So how did, how did this all come about? You guys have met What, like John said, like 10 years ago, you've known each other for like 10 years?
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That's your bowl
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thing? Yeah, Mayweather fight. We went to a Mayweather fight together. Yeah.
Speaker 2
What, what was that story? Was it 10 years
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ago? It was 2013. Yeah, that's crazy. It was the Canelo, Mayweather fight. Do you remember the story about when Beaver came on the plane and he brought too many people?
Speaker 7
Yeah.
Speaker 3
And then, I forgot how many people he brought. He brought like 10, 12 people. It was
Speaker 7
like a bus that showed up. Yeah,
Speaker 3
yeah.
Speaker 7
Or many vans, it was like a lot of people.
Speaker 3
Yeah, and I'm, I'm freaking out. And I, and I go, I go to our, our boy Shervin. I'm like, I don't know what to do. Beaver just rolled up, way too many people. And he's like, just go be honest with Elon. So I went and let Elon know. I was like, yeah, bro, sorry, like Beaver brought like a lot of people. There's already, your family was on the plane too.
Speaker 7
Yeah.
Speaker 3
And Elon goes, don't worry, I got this handled. And him and his brother Kimball, they made like one quick phone call and like 20 minutes later, another jet just rolled in. They're like, yeah, we got a second plane here.
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And
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then we flew to Vegas.
Speaker 2
How does that work, Elon? Do you just have like jets, like on demand like that? No,
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that was my brother's plane.
Speaker 2
Your brother's plane?
Speaker 7
Yeah.
Speaker 2
That's dope.
Speaker 4
What was the link with Bieber?
Speaker 3
No, our, our buddy Shervin.
Speaker 4
But Bieber, you wanted
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to hang out
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with him? Shervinator.
Speaker 3
Shervinator. You know Shervin, of course. Yeah, I know
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Shervin well.
Speaker 3
Yeah, actually, you know, Shervin is the daughter, Daria. Yeah,
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she's very beautiful.
Speaker 3
Very
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beautiful.
Speaker 2
Yeah, this is crazy to have you here, though. I mean, we have our, we have like one of our Metacarter NFTs and in the Discord, all they're saying all the time is just, please get Elon on, please get Elon on, please get Elon on. What's that?
Speaker 7
What are they curious about?
Speaker 3
A lot. Probably
Speaker 2
everything.
Speaker 3
Lots, space, cars, crypto. Really those.
Speaker 7
Space cars and crypto.
Speaker 3
Yeah, I think those are.
Speaker 2
Neuralink.
Speaker 3
Neuralink, yeah.
Speaker 2
Are you, are you in Texas like full time now? Cuz you used to be in Cali, right?
Speaker 7
Yeah, I was, I used to live in California, but,
mostly live in Texas these days. Tesla, we built this giant factory called the Texas, Giga Texas, which is the biggest factory in North America, just outside of Austin. So,
I'm working on just bringing up that factory, which is, just increasing the production. It's, it's like a factory is a giant cybernetic collective. So you're going to make the cybernetic, cybernetic collective work with thousands of people and machines.
just a lot of, like 10,000 little things to, to fix basically. The team's doing great though. So we're spooling up, we're spooling up the, Giga Texas factory, here in Austin, and, and they're building a giant rocket in South Texas near Brownsville. So.
Speaker 4
It's a Starlink rocket?
Speaker 7
It's called Starship, yeah. But it will launch the Starlink two satellites.
Speaker 4
Nice.
Speaker 7
Yeah.
Speaker 2
If I turn my
Speaker 7
head, can you still get the audio? If I, okay. What's that move? What's that? What's
Speaker 2
that, what's that movement like from Cali to Texas? Like which one, do you ever miss Cali?
Speaker 7
I was only in California, you know, a couple days, like two or three days every couple weeks.
Speaker 2
Okay.
Speaker 7
So, yeah, so I'm in, every couple weeks I'm in,
LA for a few days, Bay Area for a few days, basically. Something like that.
Speaker 5
What made you move out here to Texas?
Speaker 7
it was basically the, the, building the Giga Texas factory in Austin, and then the Starship program in South Texas. So, the,
basically the, the two big new things for both Tesla and SpaceX were in Texas. So, ended up being, that's where I needed to be.
Speaker 3
When you're talking about Bay Area, that you're talking about the Fremont factory, that's still up there, right?
Speaker 7
Yeah. So, that's the
Speaker 3
original one, right?
Speaker 7
sort of original big factory. Yeah. we had a tiny factory in Menlo Park at one point.
Speaker 3
Okay.
Speaker 7
Where we made the Tesla Roadster. The, the, the Tesla Fremont factory in the, in the San Francisco Bay Area is, is the highest output car factory in North America. Makes more cars than any other, any other factory. So, and, we're trying to ramp it up, so. It's not like, Tesla's leaving California, it's just, we kind of got too big for, to fit in the Bay Area.
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7
And if you, if you know the, if you know the region, like you're kind of sandwiched in between the ocean, the bay, and the mountains, and there's no room. Yeah,
Speaker 3
yeah.
Speaker 7
It's, it's real, houses are crazy money. Yeah,
Speaker 3
yeah.
Speaker 2
Where was our flag at when we I don't know if you know, our, our brand's called Full Send, so that's like our, that's like the term that we coined.
Speaker 7
Yeah.
Speaker 2
I think at, one of your guys' launches. I
Speaker 3
believe that's,
Speaker 7
yeah, for some reason at SpaceX we say that a lot too.
Speaker 3
Yeah. So that's our brand.
Speaker 2
You see the Full Send?
Speaker 7
I, people say Full Send at SpaceX a lot.
Speaker 3
Really?
Speaker 5
Really,
Speaker 7
yeah.
Speaker 3
That's our brand. That's right.
Speaker 2
So that's like our clothing line.
Speaker 3
And that's our flag.
Speaker 7
Like Sam Patel would say Full Send quite a lot. You see that
Speaker 2
flag right there, the American one?
Speaker 3
That's our, that's our merch.
Speaker 7
What,
Speaker 4
what context does he say Full Send?
Speaker 7
It's kind of like, when you're going hardcore, like, you know, pedal to the metal.
Speaker 2
Exactly.
Speaker 7
Yeah.
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 7
Yeah.
Speaker 2
Full Send, yeah. Yeah, we,
Speaker 3
we came up with that, and that's our brand, and,
Speaker 7
all right.
Speaker 3
So that was like, when we started, I think that's SpaceX Hawthorne, I think that was,
Speaker 7
or. That, that was Starbase, South Texas.
Speaker 3
Oh, oh, that was South Texas. Okay, okay. I thought it was Hawthorne.
Speaker 2
We got a trademark too, and like.
Speaker 7
Okay.
Speaker 2
Even the rocket category too? No,
Speaker 3
we don't.
Speaker 7
Okay, well, I'll have to give you a, a, a sense. He'll give us a free podcast appearance.
Speaker 4
So are the, are the Starship launches, those are directly with the Starlink or no?
Speaker 7
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Those are sending the satellites up into orbit?
Speaker 7
So the Falcon 9 rocket that we launch right now is, is what is able to launch the Starlink version one satellites, or technically we're on version 1.5, going to version 1.6.
and they're still pretty big satellites. before they unfold, they're like the size of a, sort of a small compact car.
and, but then the Starlink two satellites are like,
you know, way bigger than a pickup truck. They're like seven, sort of seven meters long.
so the Starlink two satellites are too big to be launched by Falcon. They have to be launched by Starship.
Speaker 4
How often are the Starship launches?
Speaker 7
We've not done any orbital Starship launches, but we, we hope to start to, we hope, we hope to, to attempt its, an orbital launch, in a month or two.
Speaker 4
Nice.
Speaker 7
So it depends on how the testing goes.
Speaker 4
Got it. You guys know what the Starlink is? Have you seen that?
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 4
I, I feel like it's not talked about enough.
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Speaker 7
I, I agree, Starlink should be, so, so Starlink is, space-based internet, so we've got, we've got a constellation of satellites, we've got, now well over 2,000 satellites.
we'll soon have about 4,000 satellites. So we have, we have more satellites in operation than the, than the rest of Earth combined.
Speaker 2
Really?
Speaker 7
Yeah.
Speaker 2
Than any other single company?
Speaker 7
Than, than the rest of Earth.
Speaker 2
Oh my God.
Speaker 7
Yeah.
Speaker 3
And the Starlink
Speaker 5
is crazy on it.
Speaker 3
It's
Speaker 5
not
Speaker 3
like the worst. Is it
Speaker 2
available like now? Or there's a long wait list, right?
Speaker 7
Yeah, Starlink is available now at starlink.com.
Speaker 4
But I heard there's a long
Speaker 2
wait list.
Speaker 7
There's a wait list if you're in like a high density area. Okay. So,
the Starlink is really best suited if you're in like, the sort of countryside or
kind of like low population areas. It's like you could be, yeah, for places that don't have internet. Rural America. Yeah, basically rural America, and like relatively sparsely populated areas.
But, so the wait, the Starlink waitlist is just if you're in a area that's where there's already too many Starlink terminals, and we don't want to saturate that area because that'll, reduce people's, internet speeds. So, in order to, be able to service more people in that area, we need to launch more satellites. So, we launch more satellites almost every week.
So we're, we're aiming at the next 12 months, probably do 60, 70 launches, maybe more.
Speaker 4
Wow, that's a lot.
Speaker 2
Well,
Speaker 4
you've been supplying, for Ukraine, you've been helping the internet there, right?
Speaker 7
yes. It's
Speaker 4
been successful?
Speaker 7
Yes.
Speaker 4
Were you hesitant at all from any negative backlash from Russia?
Speaker 7
Well, I, I should probably not visit Russia.
Speaker 4
You tweeted something about that.
Speaker 7
Why
Speaker 2
not?
Speaker 7
I mean, It's probably unwise, you know, I mean,
Speaker 5
I mean, look what they did with the basketball
Speaker 3
player. I
Speaker 7
know, just for a vape pack, right? Yeah.
Speaker 2
Did you see what Trump said recently about her?
Speaker 7
no, but I was like, man, if, you know, if the president's working so hard to, to sort of free someone who's in, in jail in Russia for some, some weed, then shouldn't we free people in America who,
Speaker 3
yeah.
Speaker 4
Yeah, absolutely. It's
Speaker 2
like, it's like the people
Speaker 7
in jail in, in America.
Speaker 2
For the same shit.
Speaker 7
For the same stuff, shouldn't, shouldn't we free them too? it seems like.
Speaker 3
Something that's legal in so many states right now as well. I mean,
Speaker 7
I, I think it's like for, it's, it's not, I mean, my opinion is that people should not be in jail for nonviolent, drug crimes.
Speaker 2
I agree
Speaker 4
with that.
Speaker 7
Yeah.
Speaker 2
We were just talking about that too. Remember when you smoked weed on Joe Rogan? Did you get like a lot of backlash for that?
Speaker 7
I did get a lot of backlash. Cause it's like still federally illegal. So,
it was pretty nutty actually. I had to, well, because, you know, so I had to, I had to have like random drug tests and stuff after that to prove that I'm not like a drug addict.
Speaker 2
Really?
Speaker 7
Yeah.
Speaker 4
By who though? Who gives you the random drug
Speaker 2
test?
Speaker 7
The federal government, like, like, because SpaceX has, federal government contracts, so,
and it's still illegal federally. So like, like the SpaceX, you know, competitors were like, hey, look at it, why are you doing anything? You know, look at him smoking, just like brazenly smoking weed on, on
Speaker 2
journalists' podcasts. So they even drug test you for weed?
Speaker 7
Yeah, they drug test me for everything. Randomly. Well, happy that it is. I couldn't like, it wasn't like, you know, pick, pick a day because, you know, so I, there was like, like a whole year of random drug tests. Did
Speaker 2
you just make that decision on the spot or did you like, no? But he must have known you were going to get some backlash, right?
Speaker 7
I didn't think, I didn't think I'd get that much backlash, you know, it's sort of like, I mean,
Speaker 2
I thought, everyone thought it was cool as fuck, like that was the dopest thing. If you follow
Speaker 5
Elon on Twitter.
Speaker 7
Yeah, I mean, the, the, the, I, the consequences for me and for SpaceX were actually not good, because, it's because it's federally illegal and SpaceX has federal contracts, and then, you know, so, unfortunately, it wasn't just me, but the whole company, all of SpaceX had to have random drug tests. Oh my
Speaker 4
god, bro, that's hilarious.
Speaker 7
So I'm like, I'm sorry, guys. I didn't, sorry, I didn't realize it would be this big of a deal. Some people
Speaker 4
must have been sweating.
Speaker 2
That's so funny, just over one joint, like, did you have to, like, walk into a boardroom and everyone's just grilling you? And you're like.
Speaker 5
Yeah,
Speaker 7
yeah, no, it was like, you know, I think to bear in mind, like, you know, some people are still pretty uptight about these things, you know, like. It's older people,
Speaker 2
right?
Speaker 7
Yeah, pretty much. It didn't even look like you
Speaker 5
puffed on it.
Speaker 7
Sorry?
Speaker 5
It didn't even look like you were. No, I don't even, I'm like,
Speaker 7
I don't even, I don't even know how to smoke a joint, obviously. Just look at me, I'm like, have no joint smoking skills, you know?
Speaker 4
Well, that's what you acted like on camera.
Speaker 7
No, I mean, seriously, I, I mean, I just, you know,
you know, I, I find weed's like not that good for productivity, so I'm like, you know, well, I'm not gonna, as I do actually have to make the rockets work and the cars work and make the factories work and stuff, so.
But, yeah, I think like the, you know, I think what we're seeing over time is that, you know, as, as younger people are elected to office, then they're more, you know, less uptight about, sort of, drugs and stuff, you know? and, you've seen like one state after another, kind of like legal, legalize marijuana. some states, I think, mushrooms are legalized and so, so it's like,
Speaker 2
It seems like mushrooms is next.
Speaker 4
They're decriminalized now. Starting
Speaker 3
again there. Same processes. Marijuana. Cali
Speaker 4
did recently, I think. Colorado.
Speaker 3
Washington. Washington, I think.
Speaker 7
Yeah, it's like nobody's committing crimes on mushrooms.
Speaker 4
No. Yeah.
Speaker 5
Are you in support of psychedelics?
Speaker 7
Yeah.
Speaker 5
You are?
Speaker 7
I think, like, some of psychedelics can be pretty helpful for, like,
PTSD and, like, like serious, like, psychological trauma and depression. And, I'd say, like, bipolar is like psychedelics are, like, way better for treating depression than a lot of, like, the SSRIs and stuff that are given out.
Speaker 4
Absolutely.
Speaker 7
Yeah. I mean, like, a lot of those sort of antidepressant drugs just turn you into a zombie.
Speaker 4
They come from the ground, too, right?
Speaker 7
Which mushrooms?
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 7
Well,
Speaker 4
I'm saying like, I'm saying like, what?
Speaker 2
Well, they're not, they're not in orbit, you know? No,
Speaker 4
but I'm saying pills are, pills are coming from a lab, so it's like.
Speaker 7
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, I mean, I think it's not necessarily that if, if something is like, something being natural or synthetic doesn't necessarily mean it's good or bad. Because you can say like, like arsenic is natural. It's like an element on the periodic table. so is cyanide, you know? But this, you don't want to have either of those two things.
Speaker 4
Right.
Speaker 7
so, but they're totally natural. and in fact, there are mushrooms that will, that are poisonous and will kill you.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 7
So it's not like all mushrooms are good. I always thought like back in the old days, you know, when you're trying to figure out which is the good mushroom. Yeah, they're like.
Speaker 5
What, cause some are poisonous? Why don't you
Speaker 7
try that mushrooms? Like stands back, see, see what happens. Yeah, you have a,
Speaker 4
you have a.
Speaker 7
Okay, that, that one's tasty, that one like. Makes you see visions, and this one kills you. Okay, better keep, just make sure which is which, you know? Just
Speaker 4
call have a guy, designated tester.
Speaker 7
Just one of your boys, like, yo, dude,
Speaker 4
you go first.
Speaker 7
Yeah, totally. So it, there's so many different types of mushrooms, you know? So,
and most mushrooms are just, you can just eat them, and they're fine, and then some mushrooms are, you know, have psychedelic and some kill you.
Speaker 2
With that joint, with that joint, like, incident too, just doing something so cool and normal, like, how do you, like, as successful and famous as you are, how do you, like, stay normal in doing stuff like that? Like,
Speaker 7
I mean, I don't know, I think, like, most people in, like, the corporate world are, really try to conform to, some sort of, you know, behavioral thing that's, like, makes them seem like, I don't know, like a Android or drone or something, you know, it's like, or like some NPC in a video game with like a limited dialogue tree, you know.
And you're like, are you
Speaker 2
real? What'd you say, NPC? Like an
Speaker 7
NPC, you know, in like a video game where, where like, with a, with a dialogue tree that's like really only has like six options or something. that seems like most corporate CEOs behave like that. I'm like, are you even real? Like, how do we know you're not an NPC, you know?
so, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2
It's cool.
Speaker 7
I didn't expect to be a CEO of like, like these big companies and stuff, so it just sort of happened that way.
Speaker 4
I think compared to all the other CEOs, you're the most down-to-earth guy.
Speaker 7
Yeah, that's
Speaker 2
what I was trying to say. Like, it's just,
Speaker 1
Yeah, it's cool, like,
Speaker 2
and you're a funny
Speaker 3
ass dude, right? Bro,
Speaker 2
your,
Speaker 3
your, your Twitter, your Twitter feed is on a different level funny. Like,
Speaker 2
it seems as if, it seems as if you don't really, I mean, I, I, I strive to keep the people entertained.
Speaker 3
Do people give you a hard time? I want
Speaker 2
to earn my keep and with the people, you know? Like, people entertained.
Speaker 4
How do you feel about that, like, going back and forth with, like, people on Twitter without, like, no lawyers or anything like that? Like,
Speaker 2
I mean, I have to say, I've gotten into trouble so many times on Twitter, it's insane.
Speaker 3
How often? I always,
Speaker 2
wait, wait, I want to know how you get away with everything. Do you
Speaker 5
have a
Speaker 2
team
Speaker 5
that approves it, or do you just
Speaker 2
fire
Speaker 5
it?
Speaker 2
Like, literally, I'm the only one who's ever tweeted, or who's, I'm the only one who's ever had access to that Twitter account.
Speaker 1
Do you have some go-to people that you, like, run shit by, though? Like, yeah, should I,
Speaker 5
like, do you think
Speaker 1
it's going to help
Speaker 2
people? Okay, I'll say, like, show this to a friend, like, is this too crazy to tweet or? And then they just say, like, yes, and I'll, I don't know, I'll save it and think about it, maybe. but I don't know.
you know, but I've gotten like into legal trouble, legal, legal trouble with Swedes, you know.
Speaker 1
Really? Anything you could say or no?
Speaker 2
Well, no, I mean, some of it's like, most of it's like public, you know, so,
Speaker 5
You've gotten into some battles, though.
Speaker 2
yeah, yeah, no, but like, like when I said I was like taking Tesla private, I was like 420.
Speaker 5
That's hilarious.
Speaker 4
I mean, with all this, you know, some people
Speaker 2
just don't have a sense of humor, it turns out.
anyway.
Speaker 4
I wonder like, with all this.
Speaker 3
Yo, Elon's birthday is 69 days after 420.
Speaker 4
Yeah,
Speaker 2
can you even believe that?
Speaker 3
Yeah, bro, that's the funniest thing to me.
Speaker 2
How is my birthday 69 days after 420? That's insane. That's why I like we must live in a simulation or something. This is too crazy.
Speaker 3
Yeah, that's the funniest thing to me.
Speaker 2
Easy
Speaker 3
to remember. We got to get through something. Is
Speaker 1
it June? Yeah, June
Speaker 2
28th.
Speaker 1
Nice.
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 1
6
Speaker 2
6 28, which is also Tao Day, which is 2 pi.
Speaker 5
What did you do on your birthday?
Speaker 2
My thing is that dinner with friends.
Speaker 5
Nothing special?
Speaker 2
Nothing special this year. It like, actually I haven't really had a, like a real party for a few years. I used to have like really big birthday parties.
Speaker 5
That's what I'm saying. You could be like Gatsby, bro.
Speaker 2
I actually literally had a Gatsby party at one point.
Speaker 5
Where is that?
Speaker 1
Where at?
Speaker 2
At my house in the Bay Area, which I no longer own. Can
Speaker 5
you tell us about it?
Speaker 2
Because
Speaker 5
we weren't invited. I don't know if you, were you invited?
Speaker 3
You weren't. I, no, I wasn't. I think Post Malone was. Post told me once he went to like one of your parties.
Speaker 2
I don't know if it was a. He changed my, the house. LA. My old house in LA.
Speaker 3
Yeah, but he said it was a theme party too, I think, right? Or it was a medieval theme. It was something. He was telling me something.
Speaker 2
We had him
Speaker 1
on here like three weeks ago. Okay.
Speaker 2
Yeah, he's cool.
Speaker 1
he's- What's
Speaker 5
a Elon Musk house party look like?
Speaker 2
Well, the, I, the, my parties generally have very high production value. So,
like I said, I haven't held a party in several years. So it's, you know, with COVID and all, it's like a bunch of my friends, you know, couldn't, whatever. Like a lot of my friends live in other countries and they couldn't even come to the US. So,
yeah, so I haven't really like held a big party for, I don't know, maybe three years or so.
but I guess it would probably be in about, four or five years ago,
had a sort of a, kind of a gas-efficient party at this house out in the Bay Area, which is,
you can see it online cause I sold it and people like, you know, they docked the house and whatever, so you can see pictures of it. but it's like, it really is like very much like a haunted mansion situation. it's like, it's possibly the creepiest, in fact, it is the creepiest house I've ever lived in.
Speaker 5
Really?
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 5
Why is that though?
Speaker 2
Why? and I had two parties there, one gassy party and one sort of
castle, castlevania party. You gotta
Speaker 5
tell us, like performers, anybody?
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, performers and stuff, like,
Speaker 5
Stones?
Speaker 2
no, no, it's, like I don't have like a, a fan, like a famous band or anything. It's just high production value sort of set, set design. Oh, nice.
Speaker 1
That's important.
Speaker 5
Theme parties, bro. Yeah,
Speaker 2
just in terms of, of the, the sort of, the, the set, the production value, set design of the party, and the, there, there are performers, they're just not like, celebrity performers.
Speaker 5
Got
Speaker 2
it. You know, singers and dancers. How
Speaker 5
many people you think go?
Speaker 2
I maybe have like a, still not that, not super big, like 100 or so people.
Speaker 5
Cops called or no?
Speaker 2
Yeah, actually.
Speaker 4
What about the ratio with like women and guys?
Speaker 2
So, so this, that party was in, in Hillsborough. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 5
yeah.
Speaker 2
In, in the Bay Area.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 2
Where, where like everyone goes to bed at 10 PM. and so like the cops got called like four times. You
Speaker 5
greet them or somebody talks to them?
Speaker 2
No, somebody talks to them, but, like, at first I couldn't find the house, you know, cause the house, this house has like a weirdly long driveway. Like for so long that, like, if you take an Uber there, like they're convinced it's like they're just going into the woods or something. So, it took a, took a while for the police to actually even find the house.
but then, like the whole neighborhood was calling me cops basically. That's insane. They literally came four times.
Speaker 5
and then
Speaker 2
finally we had to like turn the music off.
Speaker 1
What was so creepy about the house? Like, was it like haunted or something?
Speaker 2
Felt haunted.
Speaker 1
Do you believe in ghosts?
Speaker 2
I, I mean, I, I, I don't believe in ghosts, but sometimes it feels like there are ghosts or something, you know?
Speaker 1
How so?
Speaker 2
Like in
Speaker 1
the house?
Speaker 5
Or creeps at
Speaker 2
night? Creepy late at night, and there's, you know, from like a weird house, and, and there's sort of strange sounds happening, and,
you know, doors opening for no apparent reason, and,
it's creepy.
Speaker 1
So you're, you're, in your opinion, like scientifically, ghosts, like, doesn't make sense for them to exist?
Speaker 2
I've seen no actual evidence for ghosts, but it doesn't mean you can't get creeped out late at night.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 2
So, but, but this house was, this, it's, it's, like I said, this, and I, I had a house for many years, and I try to de-creep it as much as possible, but even after a lot of de-creeping, just so creepy. How do you
Speaker 5
de-creep it?
Speaker 3
Sage?
Speaker 2
You ever like creepy stuff?
Speaker 5
I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 1
Paintings?
Speaker 2
Well,
Speaker 3
furniture.
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, for like weird paintings, furniture, and, and, like there were these,
These animal figurines, like a cat. Yeah,
Speaker 1
get those out of there.
Speaker 2
Yeah, that's creepy as hell. Just feel like they didn't come alive at night. Yeah. You know.
Speaker 4
You sleep with the light on?
Speaker 2
No. I do, I
Speaker 4
do, I do still, so.
Speaker 2
No, I used to when I was a kid, I used to be like, scared of the darkness.
Speaker 4
Bathroom light though. Yeah, bathroom lights. Yeah. Somewhere where you could see like if someone's coming in or anything like that, yeah.
Speaker 2
Yeah. it, I mean, it had this like, like this like narrow stairway down into the basement that was painted red. It just felt like, the place was a bit like The Shining.
Speaker 5
Yeah, it's a shining
Speaker 3
vibe.
Speaker 2
Yeah, total act. Sounds
Speaker 3
like
Speaker 5
it. Stay in there.
Speaker 2
But anyway, grateful parties, you know, like if you have a hundred people there, you know, it's, it's just creepy if you're there by yourself.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 3
So main home now is Austin, or Texas, state of Texas? Main, main, main residence.
Speaker 2
I actually don't really have a main residence.
Speaker 5
Same as us.
Speaker 1
Kind of like us, just always moving around, right? But
Speaker 5
what's the,
Speaker 3
what's the, with a boxable roomer? I actually
Speaker 2
have a Boxable, yeah. You
Speaker 3
do?
Speaker 2
Some prototype Boxable that's down in South Texas.
Speaker 3
Wow, that's pretty cool. They reached out to us. They wanted to make a Happy Dad bar, Boxable.
Speaker 2
Okay.
Speaker 3
That is
Speaker 1
sick.
Speaker 3
Yeah, and I didn't know much about it, and I started looking into it more, and there was like pictures of you with the Boxable. Not in one, but like, like Elon Musk had, and I wasn't sure if it was a rumor or, you know, but. I do
Speaker 2
have a Boxable. The, my, my main, the, the, the house, my main house, if, if, if I have a main house, is the one in South Texas, in Boca Chica Village, on William Street. And, it's called Williams. But I won't, I won't try, I'm, I'm just going to change the street name to Memes. No. Wait,
Speaker 5
what's it, what's it called? Memes.
Speaker 3
No,
Speaker 2
I mean, it doesn't. M E M E S, Memes of Calls
Speaker 1
right
Speaker 2
now. You can just, if you get enough people on the street to say yes, you can change the street name. Well, if
Speaker 5
they know you're doing that, you're on board. Or if
Speaker 3
Elon Musk makes a call.
Speaker 2
Yeah. So, What do you
Speaker 5
think of the Boxable?
Speaker 2
Yeah, it seems, seems good.
Speaker 5
Aren't they like, what are they, like 50 grand?
Speaker 2
I think so. I don't actually stay in the Boxable. It's like, so I have like, the house that I bought actually cost less than the dinner Boxable. It cost like 45k or something. But I've done a lot with the place. So.
Speaker 1
You bought a house for 45k?
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 1
What, is it like big or is it?
Speaker 2
No, it's small.
Speaker 5
It's very
Speaker 2
small. It's
Speaker 5
a tiny house, right? It's great
Speaker 1
value, 45k?
Speaker 2
Yeah, no, it's a tiny, it's a small, small house.
Speaker 5
Why do you do that?
Speaker 2
People have pictures of it and stuff. It's like, because it was right next to the rocket factory.
Speaker 5
Oh, got it.
Speaker 1
So
Speaker 2
I can just literally walk to the rocket factory. It's like half a mile away.
Speaker 5
You got a kitchen, living room, bedroom. It's a one bedroom, right?
Speaker 2
it's technically, it's technically a three bedroom, but it used to be a two bedroom, but the, I converted the garage into a third bedroom.
Speaker 5
So,
Speaker 2
yeah, it's like, it's like a, a friend of mine come can stay in there, like I can't believe I'm staying in this house. Yeah, do
Speaker 5
you like living like that?
Speaker 2
Like from there by myself, yeah, it's fine. Or just with little X or something, you know. So.
Speaker 5
the family, I, I
Speaker 2
actually, I use, I use the Boxable as my guest house.
Oh,
Speaker 3
nice.
Speaker 2
So, that's why I use the Boxable pool, is if a friend comes and stays or something, and, then, then they can stay in the Boxable if they want.
Speaker 5
Nice.
Speaker 1
That should be like the full send hot boxing for all the employees, the Boxable. The
Speaker 3
Boxable. We should do it, though. They're cool. They're, all the employees that
Speaker 1
say full send, just, I think they're around
Speaker 5
like 50 grand, so. Yeah,
Speaker 3
they're 50. Well, they, they offered, they want to partner with us. They said when we come to Vegas, they want us to give us a tour of the factory and everything. I think it's cool. Is there enough
Speaker 5
room to like party in there?
Speaker 3
No, I think it would be a brewery. We could
Speaker 5
just have one for that.
Speaker 2
But I have like a, an outdoor area by that, by back of the house where you can party, more or less. Like, there's like a little barbecue pit and stuff.
Speaker 5
Nice.
Speaker 2
So, if I, I, I actually did, did have my, I had a small birthday party there la, last year, which is, which just some friends invited down to Starbase to hang out.
and, Yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 5
And so,
Speaker 2
yeah, but, yeah, these days I'm basically just trying to get, Starship to orbit, which is pretty tough. It's a very complicated rocket. it's,
it's more than double the thrust of a Saturn V, about twice the weight. So,
Saturn V is the biggest rocket ever to get to orbit. It's what sent people to the moon, back in the day. So, making a rocket that's twice as big as the next biggest rocket that's ever reached orbit is, is challenging. that's why I say, like, we'll get to orbit maybe between one and twelve months from now.
but there, there definitely could be some,
you know, explosions along the way. Like, it's not just gonna work right away.
the, I, I mean, when the Soviet Union was competing with the United States to get to the moon, they were trying to develop a rocket called the N-1, which was similar in, in size to the Saturn Five, actually had, more thrust than Saturn Five. and they had, had four launches and all four failed.
so we don't want to end up in that boat.
Speaker 3
yeah, is that like a lot
Speaker 1
of pressure? Like, there's so much pressure on you, like, are you like, fuck, if this, like, blows up, like, I look bad.
Speaker 2
Under pressure.
Speaker 4
Is that all, is that all you think about, like, on a day-to-day
Speaker 2
basis? How expensive
Speaker 5
does it cost? How much is it to develop that rocket?
Speaker 4
Oh,
Speaker 2
I love Elon. Can you perform under pressure?
Speaker 5
I'm living pressure. That's rookie shit for you, yeah. Expectations are so high.
Speaker 2
No, but I can try Bohemian Rhapsody.
Speaker 5
Love Queen.
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 3
Oh, I see.
Speaker 1
Freddie Mercury?
Speaker 2
So
Speaker 5
how long is the production on the rocket from start to end?
Speaker 2
well right now it, it takes a long time. this is a very big, this is the largest flying object ever made. So, you
Speaker 1
know,
Speaker 2
we're aiming for a production rate of one a month, but right now we're at a production rate probably one every
four or five months.
Speaker 5
And how expensive is it just for one rocket, one launch, all that?
Speaker 2
I don't know. So it's at least 50 million dollars marginal cost of launch, maybe 100 million.
so every explosion, it's like,
Speaker 5
How pissed are you?
Speaker 2
Boom, that was 100 million dollars. Fuck.
Speaker 5
That's gambling.
Speaker 2
Yeah. but anyway, if we, if we don't, if we don't have a rocket like that, then we, we, we, we, humanity can't be a spacefaring civilization and a multi-planet species. Like,
Speaker 5
if
Speaker 2
we want to go out there and, You're in make sci-fi real, you know, and be on other planets and go, go back to the moon, then we need big rockets. Why do you
Speaker 1
think we haven't been back to the moon?
Speaker 2
Well, I think another way of thinking about it is that the, the fact that we were able to go to the moon in '69, was such an anomalous situation. It was like reaching into the future and bringing the technology forward that normally wouldn't be there. Like, that was not the natural pace of technology development. It's just that the United States just collectively decided that this has got to be done.
You know, we, we kind of got to, got to beat the Soviets, you know, so.
Speaker 1
I don't want to sound like, have we not been back since then, or have we?
Speaker 2
There were a few trips to the moon, so it wasn't just one.
Speaker 1
Okay.
Speaker 3
Landings? Like actually landed on the moon? Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2
I think the last landing was maybe '72.
Speaker 5
Wow, it sounds weird that we'd be so much more advanced now and we haven't gone back.
Speaker 2
I agree, totally weird.
Speaker 5
Well, are you, do you have
Speaker 1
just no interest in the moon at all? Like,
Speaker 2
No, we'll go to the moon. We, we have, SpaceX has a NASA contract to, take astronauts to the moon.
So, NASA did choose, SpaceX to, return astronauts to the moon, and we intend to do that.
Speaker 1
What would be, like, the mission?
Speaker 2
Well, I mean, Starship is, is gigantic compared to anything that's, like I said, ever been done before. So,
this is not like a tiny little thing lands on the moon. This is like giant-ass spaceship lands on the moon.
you know, it's capable of, of putting a hundred tons of payload on the moon, so a lot. You could build a moon base for Starship. so we can go way beyond what was done with the Apollo program, where they just had a small lander that, you know, and they sort of were on the surface of the moon for, I don't know, maybe some number of hours, and then they got back in and took off.
so the Apollo program is not capable of building a moon base, but the Starship,
system is, is capable of building a moon base. I mean, it's, it's an, it's designed to be capable of building a city on the moon or Mars. That's all, that's what the system is designed to be able to do. So,
Speaker 5
why is the goal right now to get to Mars before the moon?
Speaker 2
Yeah, we'll, we'll probably get to the moon first.
Speaker 5
Okay.
Speaker 1
Oh, really?
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 1
But not build, would we build a city on it or, or not on the moon?
Speaker 2
I mean, I think we should build a city on the moon. And, and on Mars. Yeah, it's way, it's way closer than, than Mars. Mars is like 90 far. It's
Speaker 1
more convenient.
Speaker 4
Why do you want to colonize Mars?
Speaker 2
I think, I think it's important for, I, I think there's two reasons. one is kind of a defensive reason that, like, if something bad were to happen to Earth, then you know, it could be like a meteor, like whatever destroyed the dinosaurs, super volcanoes,
could be World War III, like we could just like nuke each other to death or something. Like, I don't know, World War III is like seeming a little more probable these days.
Speaker 5
That might be the leading factor.
Speaker 2
It might be the leading factor. So, you know, so, so there could be either some, natural
disaster or some, or something where humanity just like suicides itself with a, with a World War III situation. And, and then it would be, you know, good to have a second planet where, so, so that like, you know, civilization isn't wiped out. So that's the kind of defensive reason. It's like life insurance for life collectively. And so, you know, not just for humans, but all, all, all like the creatures that we love.
So, that's like the defensive reason. Wait, so you're going
Speaker 1
to pull like a Noah's Ark vibe and bring like animals too?
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. I mean, sure, absolutely.
Speaker 1
Oh,
Speaker 5
wow.
Speaker 4
What do you think Mars is going to look like?
Speaker 2
Well, long term, we could make it look like Earth. we have to warm it up, but there's a lot of, there's a lot of ice on Mars. It's cold. So, like, you just have to warm it up to have liquid water.
but Mars has a, Mars would have, an, an, an ocean of, I think, about a,
roughly maybe a mile deep, on 40% of the planet, roughly.
Speaker 1
Wow.
Speaker 2
yeah, so if you was warm it up.
Speaker 1
So that's all, all ice right now?
Speaker 2
Just ice.
Speaker 1
40% of the planet?
Speaker 4
That shit is crazy.
Speaker 2
Just ice. In fact, a lot of the ice that you see on Mars at the poles is actually, dry ice. It's, CO2, frozen CO2.
Speaker 1
I've always been into aliens, and I remember it was like, when I was a kid, when they first found, like, ice on Mars.
Speaker 2
And that,
Speaker 1
that sparked like all the alien rumors on Mars. And he said, if there's ice, there might be life. There's this
Speaker 2
mass amounts of ice on Mars. Like not a little, it's a crazy amount.
Speaker 4
Well, how would you warm it up then?
Speaker 2
Well, you could use like solar reflectors or you could just create artificial suns with,
a series of, like thermonuclear explosions.
like the, the sun is like a, a, a, a giant.
Speaker 1
You'd create a sun?
Speaker 2
Thermonuclear reactor. It's, it's, it's a, like if you want to, if, if you're worried about like, well, will that generate like dangerous radiation? Well, have you stood in front of the sun, if you, you know, just go out in the sun.
Speaker 5
Sure.
Speaker 2
The sun is, it's, it's a giant thermonuclear reactor. So obviously you can stand in front of the sun and not die.
Speaker 4
It must be nerve-wracking though, cause it's like all tests.
Speaker 3
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1
You could create like a permanent like sun, like by Mars?
Speaker 2
No, you'd have to do, or like just be
Speaker 1
like a heat wave and then it's kind of gone and it melts all the ice.
Speaker 2
yeah, you'd have to do kind of like a series of,
like if, if, like if you, if you like launched a, like a missile every, I don't know, 10 seconds and then, you know, sort of like fireworks but real big.
Speaker 1
Okay.
Speaker 2
You know, thermonuclear fireworks.
Speaker 1
Okay.
Speaker 2
but you can't have a, you couldn't have a sustained reaction, cause,
the, the sun is a gravitationally contained thermonuclear reactor, so you need a lot of gravity. the, the sun is well over 90%, well over 99% of all the mass of the solar system.
Speaker 4
Oh.
Speaker 2
So,
Speaker 5
it's
Speaker 2
very big.
Speaker 5
What are the, it's
Speaker 1
so fascinating. Yeah, what
Speaker 5
are the first steps? Like, what, what do you start with to start civilization on Mars? What's the first thing you got to do?
Speaker 2
I think the first thing you gotta do is, is build a, a base, and then, then that, that base would have like the, like essentials of like food production,
water, like which is, you know, like have ice mining droids that would like go mine ice and then melt it and purify the water. and then you need a propellant,
kind of a propellant factory or propellant plant. So Mars's atmosphere is primarily CO2,
and if you, and then if you take water, which is H2O,
and, you, you can, turn CO2 and H2O into CH4 and O2, which is methane and, and, and oxygen. So you, that, that's why Starship uses methane as a fuel. It's, it's, it's mostly oxygen, so it's like 78% oxygen, the propellant, and 22% fuel. So in, you know, in space, there's, in a vacuum, you have, there's no oxygen to burn. So you've, you've got to bring your own oxygen, and you mostly bring oxygen.
So, you'd be, you'd need a propellant plant to create the liquid oxygen, liquid methane, and food and water and the basics, essentially. That, that's, that would be the, the thing to start off with. and,
you'd be living in kind of like glass domes and partially underground and stuff. So it would be hard living in the beginning on Mars, like not like a luxury situation.
Speaker 5
So who are the first people that go live there?
Speaker 2
I don't know, pioneers. I would say the, you know, any, for, for the first people that go to Mars, it, it's like, it's going to be like dangerous, like you might die,
food probably not good, you know, it's going to be a long and difficult trip.
It's, it's like You'd probably like a lot of pain and danger. That's
Speaker 4
that. But on the
Speaker 2
other hand, it's going to be a glorious adventure.
Speaker 5
So it sounds like there's got to be
Speaker 2
a... I know what
Speaker 5
you're saying.
Speaker 1
But I bet there's still a fucking long list,
Speaker 2
right?
Speaker 1
I think
Speaker 5
once, maybe there's threats to Earth, then the list gets huge, right?
Speaker 1
There's probably a huge list already. Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2
I mean, I think there's like all these people that climb Mount Everest and stuff, so, you know, or like sail, yeah, sail across the Pacific by themselves, you know.
So I think there's, and there's like, you got 8 billion people on Earth, so you don't, you only need this one number to want to do it. But I'm just saying it's like the beginning is going to be like dangerous, difficult, and, and, you know,
like not, not like a, it's not like a luxury resort. It's going to be dangerous and difficult and, and a lot of, lot of work, basically. But, you know, over time you can make it awesome. So.
Speaker 3
You're going on the list?
Speaker 1
I,
Speaker 3
I wouldn't do
Speaker 1
Mars, I would do space.
Speaker 5
No chance.
Speaker 1
I wouldn't do Mars. No
Speaker 5
chance you would go into space, bro.
Speaker 1
Yeah, I would. No chance. I wouldn't trust Elon, what do you mean?
Speaker 5
So you would go into space and just chill and then come back?
Speaker 1
Yes. I would do it. I wouldn't, I wouldn't go to Mars, cause that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5
Mars is like a commitment,
Speaker 1
that's like your whole life, like, but I would do space.
Speaker 5
I don't know about that. How,
Speaker 4
how do you, how do you, how are you gonna like filter like the water if you're gonna heat up like Mars and stuff like that?
Speaker 2
Well, filtering water is actually not, it's, it's not super hard, you know, you can always just like evaporate it and, or use various fil, like carbon filters and stuff. It's, you, you can purify water as a well understood, process. so,
so you just basically go, you have to go mine some dusty ice and, and then,
melt it and send it through a bunch of water purifiers and you can drink it.
Speaker 4
Yeah, that's crazy. What do you expect the population to be in Mars? Like, I know you said that... I mean, I hope it's a
Speaker 2
big population at some point. so...
Speaker 4
Like, what's the number? I know you're a numbers guy. You have to be.
Speaker 2
Well, I think there's a critical threshold is how many people, how many people are needed on Mars for Mars to be self-sustaining, such that if the spaceships from Earth ever stopped coming, the people, it wouldn't die out. You know, so you got to think about it, there's like, if we live on Earth here, we live at the top of like a vast pyramid of industry, you know, where there's all these like mining of all these like elements, and then there's many, many steps of refining, and then, and these are gradually turned into a product.
but there's a massive base of industry that would need to be recreated on Mars. And if you're missing any, any element of that, then
then if the ships from Earth stopped coming, it would die out. It'd be like if you had everything except vitamin C,
then yeah, you'll be okay for a while, but then you're gonna eventually die, you know? So you gotta, you gotta, there just can't be any, any like missing, critical missing ingredient. So then it's like, okay, well how many people need it to ensure there's no missing ingredient? I don't know, maybe a million people, I'm guessing.
I hope it's not more than that. it's probably not much less than that. And then you probably need millions of tons of cargo delivered to Mars. So it's a lot.
Speaker 5
but, but
Speaker 2
you can say like, like there's, there's this thing called like the, the Great Filters or, which is,
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Speaker 2
You know, sort of coming from the Fermi paradox, Fermi paradox is, is just where are the aliens? If the, if the, if the universe is really 13.8 billion years old, shouldn't there be aliens everywhere?
and if not, why not? I think it was Carl Sagan who said that, that there appear to be either, like, if there's either, there's either a lot of aliens or no aliens, and, and, and either, either one is equally terrifying.
Meaning if there are no aliens, then what we have here is very rare. And then I think no
Speaker 1
aliens is more terrifying.
Speaker 2
More terrifying. I think
Speaker 5
it's more likely though, right? If the universe is 13.8 billion years old.
Speaker 2
Well, this is like, this is why it's cool. It's like, this, this is like a great physicist, Enrico Fermi, who
posed the question of where are the aliens? now a lot of people ask me, like, what about the aliens? Have you seen any evidence of aliens? I've seen no evidence of aliens.
Speaker 1
No hard evidence.
Speaker 3
What about these Pentagon videos? like, you have seen
Speaker 4
like a little,
Speaker 3
but no, but there are these videos that the Pentagon released during COVID, of course, but you know, like what we're Well, they,
Speaker 1
didn't they just say that there was UFOs? Like, that doesn't necessarily mean that the UFOs are, like, aliens or
Speaker 3
anything.
Speaker 1
Like, a UFO can be, like,
Speaker 5
no, a UFO can
Speaker 1
mean anything that the government, like,
Speaker 2
couldn't it be, like, a Chinese, like,
Speaker 1
plane or something that they don't know what it
Speaker 5
is? No, I don't doubt it necessarily.
Speaker 2
So, like, I mean, there's, like, advanced programs that the military has, which are classified, and they wouldn't, so, you know, if they had, like, some really fast missile or something, they, even if somebody else in the military saw that, then they would still not tell them what it was because it's classified.
Speaker 4
Sure. Wait,
Speaker 1
didn't they release something, though,
Speaker 2
like, to the best of my knowledge, I have not seen any evidence of aliens, and I think I'd know.
Speaker 5
Why do you think, I
Speaker 4
feel
Speaker 5
like there's a narrative out there that our first interaction with aliens would be violent. Do you think that's the case?
Speaker 2
Well, if so, I think we're in trouble, because if they were able to get here and we couldn't get there, then probably they've got much better technology than we do. Oh, we're
Speaker 4
done.
Speaker 2
Yeah, we're toast.
Speaker 4
We're at their mercy. We're going at their mercy. This is so interesting. Of course. It does not
Speaker 5
seem like it's always like going to be violent, one, and two, they're more advanced than us. But why can't we be more advanced? Well, they're going
Speaker 2
to be way more advanced, not a little bit more advanced. But why is that? So we'll be, we'll just be totally at their mercy. Because if they've got spaceships that can get from other star systems to here, we don't have anything like that.
Speaker 5
Right, that's true.
Speaker 2
So,
Speaker 1
I feel like
Speaker 2
I've got some badass space lasers and shit. Yeah. Like, who knows what. You think we have some of those crazy anti-matter weapons? Like, basically, we're hopeless. Like, we'll just be like children or something. Maybe we
Speaker 5
have some Area 51, though, no? Some lasers locked in there? Have you been there?
Speaker 2
You know, there, there are,
Speaker 1
there are advanced laser
Speaker 2
weapons. I don't know if it's Area 51. there are actually lots of areas, by the way.
Speaker 4
Oh, I
Speaker 2
think SpaceX technically leases Area 59 or something like that.
Speaker 4
So they're numbered. I think,
Speaker 5
I think SpaceX needs to create some fucking lasers. So wait, is there
Speaker 1
better?
Speaker 2
We do have space lasers.
Speaker 5
Oh, really?
Speaker 1
Elon, is there better areas than 51? Of
Speaker 2
course. What do you think? Please.
Speaker 5
I don't have one. I need one. How am I going to protect myself if the invasion happens?
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Let's call Elon.
Speaker 2
Yeah,
Speaker 5
he'll answer.
Speaker 2
We do have a lot of less space lasers. We use them to communicate between the satellites. So,
those are just, there should be, lasers should be fully operational around the end of this year.
Speaker 3
So were those just rumors or, or fake news about Eisenhower having meetings with the aliens in like, I don't know what year? Yeah, Eisenhower did not
Speaker 2
have meetings with the aliens. In fact, I, I think it was, may have been him or, or, or there was some like Pentagon General who, who said, who, because people kept on bugging him about aliens and stuff, and he said, listen, if, if we had any evidence of aliens, if I had an alien, I would drag an alien body or something, I'd drag, I'd, I'd show you the alien body because you know what, if I showed you that alien body, we'd get our budget approved instantly.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 2
He's like, watch out, aliens, oh yeah, we need more money. Yeah, they want it. It's like, if there was like some scary alien stuff, that would be the fastest way to get the biggest possible budget. Yeah,
Speaker 4
but don't you
Speaker 5
think we'd react pretty, like people go crazy.
Like the human population would go crazy.
Speaker 2
Would they? I mean.
Speaker 1
I, I feel like,
Speaker 2
I don't know. I feel
Speaker 1
like aliens. The, the general population believes in aliens. I think like 20 years ago, everyone's like, no, but now it's like, if you ask anyone, they're like, yeah, I believe in aliens.
Speaker 2
Because, no, but
Speaker 1
I think everyone just like believes there's aliens. I think
Speaker 4
because
Speaker 3
of movies probably.
Speaker 1
Yeah, because no, but I saw that on Joe's podcast too. It's interesting how in like movies and like since the beginning of time or beginning of entertainment, they've always been like pushing on us like aliens, aliens, aliens, like movies.
Speaker 2
Like Independence Day.
Speaker 1
Yeah, just everything. Like
Speaker 5
War of the Worlds. I feel like we've
Speaker 1
always been told like there's life outside like Earth.
Speaker 5
That's the other thing, like why is Area 51 so secretive then?
Speaker 2
I don't think it was actually all that secretive.
Speaker 4
it, it,
Speaker 2
it just, it just like answered the mythos of, and, I don't know, people got carried away.
the, as, I, I, I'm, I don't think there's anything sort of super interesting in Area 51.
Like, there are more advanced weapons that the US has that people don't know about, but they're not like crazy alien weapons. So,
Speaker 1
What's your gut feel on if they exist or not? Like your gut. Obviously, there's no hard evidence, but.
Speaker 2
I don't think there are aliens, at least in our sector of the galaxy.
Speaker 1
So your gut said they don't exist?
Speaker 2
Not in our sector of the galaxy. So there might be aliens in like a far away portion of the galaxy. If by aliens, I think you mean like with spaceships that could potentially travel to here or something like that.
Speaker 1
No, just in general, I guess.
Speaker 2
There's not many alien you could talk to.
Speaker 1
Like,
Speaker 2
or you don't mean like microbes. Cause I'd be a boring alien.
Speaker 1
Yeah, true, like a, like a tiny, like,
Speaker 2
yeah, like a micro-organism. Plankton.
Speaker 1
Yeah. Sure, I guess, I guess aliens we could talk to.
Speaker 2
Yeah, aliens we could talk to. Or, yeah,
Speaker 1
not microbes, not like, yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2
not like, okay, we found a, whatever, a amoeba. What's, what's
Speaker 4
the first thing you,
Speaker 2
that would just
Speaker 4
ruin it.
Speaker 2
Like, we found aliens, and here they are.
Speaker 4
What's the first thing you'd say to an alien? If you see them like face to face, what's the first thing you'd say to an alien?
Speaker 2
welcome. I hope you come in peace.
Speaker 5
Yeah. Come in peace, hopefully. Do you
Speaker 2
understand English? Or do I, is this, are we just speaking gibberish here or what?
I'm just saying, if they can understand English, then they will have been observing us for a long time. You know, but anyway, I, I don't think they're, like I said, I, I don't think they're aliens. I think the most, what you should view these things as like probabilities. Generally, you should think of things as probabilities, not certainties.
So I think there's probably not aliens. and I think that's kind of scary, actually, because then it, what it would suggest is that, consciousness, civilization as we know it, is extremely rare. and, and a, and a very precious thing. Like, our consciousness is like a small candle in a vast darkness, and we must not let that small candle go out.
Speaker 1
That's the theory I saw. It's like they've always been kind of plugging aliens on us to make us think that we're just this little speck, but actually it's like we're the only thing.
Speaker 4
And it's
Speaker 1
like they kind of taught us that to not make us feel special and to not like appreciate human existence, you know? But It's kind of interesting when you think about that, like what if humans are the only thing?
Speaker 3
Yeah, they want us to make us feel like we're not shit.
Speaker 1
We
Speaker 4
wouldn't be smart enough to feel like we ain't shit, like there's
Speaker 3
something else out there.
Speaker 1
It's an interesting theory. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2
Well, I mean, based on everything we know about history and archaeology and stuff, you know, so Earth's about four and a half billion years old, and the first writing is only about five thousand years old. That's basically practically yesterday. So,
so it's taken four and a half billion years to get to this point. So the window of, of opportunity to make life multiplanetary and have a, a base on the moon or Mars, is open for the first time in the four and a half billion year history of Earth. Now that may be open for a long time or maybe open for a short time, but I think we should not assume it'll be open for a long time.
And, and we should assume it'll be open for a short time,
and we sh, while the window of opportunity is open, we should make life multiplanetary.
Speaker 3
What do you think's the biggest threat to mankind right now?
Speaker 2
I'd say the biggest threat right now is population collapse. But super low birth rate.
Speaker 3
Really? Over like nuclear war, national... But don't we
Speaker 4
have an overpopulation problem?
Speaker 2
No, we have an underpopulation problem.
Speaker 4
Really?
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 3
Why, why do you think that? So this
Speaker 2
is the most commonly misunderstood situation. Yeah,
Speaker 4
they definitely push that we have a overpopulation problem.
Speaker 2
No, no, we, I don't know. It's just like, I think it's like, this is a holdover from like, I don't know, the seventies or something, you know? So there was a huge, baby boom, like where people did have a ton of kids after World War II, but then the US has actually been, had, the birth rate in the US has been below replacement rate since like seventy one or seventy two,
Speaker 4
like fifty years. The US has been
Speaker 2
below, below replacement rate.
Speaker 4
I know US, but how about other countries?
Speaker 2
well, like China's got a huge population collapse problem.
Speaker 4
Really?
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 1
China, China, you actually get penalized if you have more, more than one kid.
Speaker 2
No, are you being serious? I
Speaker 1
like cut that
Speaker 3
off.
Speaker 2
No, see, this is like, so part of it is just like, We were operating on things that were true in the past, but are no longer true. So China did have a one-child policy, but, like about 10 years ago, they changed it to a two-child policy. And then a few years ago, they changed it to a three-child policy, and birth rate kept plummeting the whole time.
Speaker 1
Yeah, the lowest
Speaker 2
birth rate ever last year.
Speaker 1
Really?
Speaker 2
Yeah, China's birth rate right now is 40% below replacement.
Speaker 1
Wow, traditional women. I don't want to,
Speaker 2
you know. You know, one can speculate as to the reasons, but I can tell you. And there's no
Speaker 1
hose.
Speaker 4
Andrew Tate was last week, bro.
Speaker 1
I know, that's true, bro. Like, what you said about birth,
Speaker 3
they're out there.
Speaker 1
See that.
Speaker 4
Wow, that is a very common misconception. I would have never. It's a very
Speaker 2
common misconception. What we face is population collapse. Huh. Collapse. Like, people have no idea how fast the population is going to collapse. Japan is pretty far along in that. Like, Japan actually lost like 600,000, went down by 600,000 people last year.
Speaker 4
The Japanese are not in the bedroom at all then.
Speaker 2
Not at all. It would seem not.
Speaker 3
What about, what about the US? We got an increase, right?
Speaker 2
Yeah, what I'm saying is the, the US has been below replacement rate for 50 years. It's so nuts. Like yearly or something. Since the 70s.
Speaker 3
Yeah,
Speaker 2
since the early 70s, since like 71, 72. So why
Speaker 3
are we spewed with all this BS that yeah, we're overpopulating, but the population's growing, right?
Speaker 2
No, it's not. so, I mean, the, the, I should say, the, the, the, like lifespan is increasing. people are living longer. That's the only reason why the population of Earth isn't plummeting, but it will plummet. So,
you know, just, like one thing to metric to track is the ratio of adult diapers to baby diapers. Like, at what point does a country have more adult diapers and baby diapers? And like Japan went past that point over 10 years ago, I believe.
Speaker 1
Whoa. What do you think happens in like the future then? What's your kind of thought on that?
Speaker 2
Well, I think people really, we got to turn this around. We got to have at least replacement rate, if not more, on the baby front.
and by the way, these, this is, these are not matters that are, subjective. You can just literally look at the birth rate. You know, it's like, it's an objective number, like how many kids, babies were born. It's like, they recorded this information, you know? So,
and,
Speaker 3
So you're saying people need to be having more kids?
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, I'm sure you know a lot of people who have like no kids. Like how many kids do you guys have?
Speaker 4
I
Speaker 1
don't know. I got no kids. I
Speaker 3
mean, that we know of. None of
Speaker 2
you guys
Speaker 1
have,
Speaker 2
what the fuck?
Speaker 4
I'm 28, but I mean. I'm
Speaker 1
20.
Speaker 3
I guess I could.
Speaker 2
20 is reasonable. Yeah, that's fair. I've been
Speaker 1
thinking about it. I'm
Speaker 3
trying to get a baby mama soon, but,
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 1
And I just got married last month. She's over there.
Speaker 2
Okay, hey, congrats.
Speaker 3
I feel like that's kind of changing though. I think like with generations, our generation is having like less marriages, less kids. Well,
Speaker 1
child support, man, a lot of guys are scared right now.
Speaker 2
That's true. That's true.
Speaker 3
I mean, it's
Speaker 1
true, man. I would be scared too. I mean,
Speaker 4
jeez. That is, that probably is a big thing. That's
Speaker 1
probably part of it. Yeah, well,
Speaker 3
like cost, cost is probably a big thing. Part of the cost of a
Speaker 1
child?
Speaker 3
Yeah.
Speaker 1
Give me a break. Social media too, people get caught up on social media instead of
Speaker 3
going out and, you know, having fun. How detrimental is that? Like what's, what's that? If, if we, if it keeps trending this way, how long do you have before it's like, yeah, I guess extinct.
Speaker 2
Well, it's, it's, it's a, like a low birth rate is, is a slow death for a civilization. It's not a fast death. Yeah,
Speaker 4
we're chilling for a bit.
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, you can recuse and it's just like the, the average age just starts drifting up and then, you know, basically civilization will die with a whimper in adult diapers. Kind of sucks, doesn't it? It's like anticlimactic, you know, it's not exactly, I mean, frankly, if given the choice, like, I'd rather civilization died with, went out with a bang than a whimper in adult diapers.
Speaker 4
Yeah,
Speaker 3
what's a bang?
Speaker 2
Bang would be World War III.
Speaker 1
Yeah,
Speaker 2
if the choices are, you know, like it's just like sad or it's just sad if you just, if you just die and, you know, if civilization dies of old age, I think.
so that's like the, the most, that's probably the biggest myth that exists right now is this overpopulation myth, when in fact we have a population collapse problem.
and I think people can see this anecdotally when they talk to friends and just like, we just said, like, none of you guys have kids yet. It's totally understandable 20, but I mean,
Speaker 3
28.
Speaker 2
Yeah, 28. how, how old are you? 42. 42.
Speaker 3
You should have
Speaker 1
that.
Speaker 2
See, like by 42, you should have kids, you know?
Speaker 3
Yeah, what the fuck? And
Speaker 1
I'm, I'm the problem. I know. That's what I got out of this.
Speaker 2
So, you know, that's, I don't know. I, I have a lot of friends of mine, especially, you know, like, you know, know a lot of women that, that have not had kids and like not planning to type of thing. And I'm like, man. Yeah. So I'm worried about the, I think that's the biggest risk to civilization right now is just, we, we, we got to get rid of this nonsense that we're having overpopulation issue.
We have an underpopulation issue. Why
Speaker 3
do you think that that's not being said more then, if that's a huge problem?
Speaker 1
Different agenda, I mean.
Speaker 2
I think, yeah, some kind of, you know, I think like maybe the sort of,
Like I'm pro-environment, but I think the environmentalist agenda has kind of gone too far on its own. Yeah, it's all agenda.
Speaker 4
That's an environmentalist?
Speaker 3
It's
Speaker 2
just kind of like the, yeah, you know. I mean, like a lot of these things, it's like, I'm not necessarily, I don't think it's like some sort of, like, like sort of nefarious mastermind situation. It's just like a, a dumb idea that hasn't been fixed, you know, as opposed to like somebody's masterminding it or something, you know.
yeah. But I'm just saying objectively, one way or another, if we don't have kids, it's like population's going to decline, we're going to, average age is going to increase.
Speaker 4
When did you have your first child?
Speaker 2
when I was 29. 29.
Speaker 1
Wow. How many kids?
Speaker 2
Nine,
Speaker 1
right? Yeah. Nine children, wow. How many baby mothers?
Speaker 2
Three.
Speaker 1
Wow. Wow. how old are the twins now? That's who I met. I met the twins.
Speaker 2
They're 18.
Speaker 1
They're 18 now. Wow.
Speaker 2
They go to college. Oh,
Speaker 1
wow. That's crazy. What's the
Speaker 4
oldest and youngest?
Speaker 2
Well, the youngest is just a baby, but, less than one. and the oldest are 18.
Speaker 4
Nice.
Speaker 1
So,
Speaker 2
you know, try to set a good example here, having a lot of kids.
Speaker 4
What's it like when they get to the age, like, 18?
Speaker 2
Yeah. well, teenagers, like, kids generally,
want to hang out with their parents until they start hitting their, you know, like, 13, 14. By age 16,
you know, kids, they don't want to hang out with their dad that much, anyway.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 2
So, 18, they definitely don't want to hang out with their parents. I mean, they'll have dinner occasionally, you know.
Speaker 1
Yeah. I wonder, what's, like, a day, like, for, like, Elon Musk, like, just a regular day, like, day-to-day basis, like, what do you do? Cause I find that very interesting. Yeah, like what
Speaker 4
time do you wake up?
Speaker 1
What time do you wake up? When do you make your coffee? Maybe you drink coffee, maybe you don't. I do
Speaker 2
drink coffee, yeah. well, I, I tend to be like a, like fairly nocturnal, so I like go to sleep around, I don't know, 3 AM or thereabouts.
Speaker 4
Wow.
Speaker 2
and then I'll wake up around, usually about 6, 6 and a half hours later, so 9, 9:30.
and, I, I have a bad habit, which I, I suspect a lot of people do, of like immediately checking my phone for,
Speaker 4
Right away.
Speaker 1
Yeah, right away,
Speaker 2
yeah. It's a terrible habit, actually. just to see like any emergencies happen overnight or whatever. I know.
Speaker 1
so I didn't want to text you too early this morning. I was like, I felt bad texting you.
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 1
I was like, all right, I'm going to wait till after 12 at least.
Speaker 2
Yeah. well, I got a lot, I got a lot going on running SpaceX and Tesla and, you know, so there's, there's usually some kind of thing that's happened overnight. but I, I think I want to change that to
I gotta work out and be in better shape, you know? so,
Speaker 1
we need you around.
Speaker 2
thanks. I, I actually don't really like working out, but, I, I gotta do it. So, I'm gonna switch from, you know, just immediately looking at my phone first thing in the morning, as soon as I wake up to, I don't know, just working out for at least 20 minutes and then, then looking at my phone. Have you ever
Speaker 4
tried pre-workout?
Speaker 2
Like what's a pre-workout?
Speaker 4
It's like the, like the powder, it's got caffeine in it and
Speaker 2
like,
Speaker 1
sometimes when I, when
Speaker 4
I'm lazy,
Speaker 2
like days, just for
Speaker 1
like days,
Speaker 2
you should just,
Speaker 4
you gotta get pre-workout. You get the
Speaker 2
quads going. You leave it on your bedside,
Speaker 4
leave it on your bedside counter,
Speaker 2
and
Speaker 4
right when you wake up, just take a scoop, and then you'll be like so jittery that you can't go to bed. So you'll just, you'll have no choice
Speaker 1
but to go to the gym. Where's it available for like,
Speaker 2
oh, we have
Speaker 3
ours too. Do you, do you drink caffeine every
Speaker 4
morning?
Speaker 2
I have coffee, yeah.
Speaker 3
You want to go for this one.
Speaker 2
Okay,
Speaker 4
I'm trying to work
Speaker 3
out. I'll try,
Speaker 2
I'll try that. So, all right.
Speaker 3
no,
Speaker 4
but the pre, the bedside pre is a key, cause you're so like, you can't do anything but go to the gym. You can't sit still. You're just going to go in there. It's like a
Speaker 1
little energy drink.
Speaker 2
The
Speaker 1
one, we have one, and ours is all natural too.
Speaker 5
Elon, I wonder with your influence, do you feel as if you have, I don't know how to say it, like, do you, do you feel like you have more influence in the government at times? Like, do you feel like you can kind of take over it?
Speaker 2
Do I feel like I could just take over the government? I
Speaker 5
mean, not, I mean, not literally, but do you feel as if like, I mean, Like I'm Elon Musk. I mean,
Speaker 1
if you were an American citizen, you'd win presidency by a landslide.
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1
Well, you know what's crazy? You
Speaker 2
say the nicest things.
Speaker 1
No, but it's facts. But also, how many,
Speaker 3
how many Twitter followers does Joe Biden have? Do we know? I don't know.
Speaker 2
But you have, you have
Speaker 3
a lot more than he does. I'll check, I'll check.
Speaker 2
I think he's probably got like 20 million. He does have his tweets a little bit, you know.
Speaker 1
Yeah, he needs a, he needs a, he needs a. No, but
Speaker 5
I wonder, I wonder though, like when you're like sitting at the house, do you ever feel like, man, I have way more influence than what the government has? Like, you know
Speaker 2
what
Speaker 4
I mean? Well, it's probably fair to say that
Speaker 2
I, I do have a lot of influence.
Speaker 4
34.8.
Speaker 1
What did
Speaker 4
Trump,
Speaker 1
what did Trump
Speaker 2
have?
Speaker 3
Well, you've got a, you've got a bigger reach then, because you almost have, I think you have 100 million on Twitter, right? Yeah. And the president has 34 million.
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 3
So you're getting to more people than he is, which is pretty crazy to think about.
Speaker 2
It is crazy.
Speaker 5
Yeah, I want to know, I want to know, how, how, how do you feel about that? I
Speaker 2
was like, might, might be ninety percent bots though.
Speaker 3
You buying followers or?
Speaker 1
Hey Lonnie, so we can't go there.
Speaker 2
We're not going there.
Speaker 1
No. What?
Speaker 2
I don't know, there's, I think that, that there's, there is a fair, fair number of bots and stuff. And I haven't bought followers or anything, but, but there's still, my, my, my account gets targeted a lot by scammers because, you know, like my account is by far the most interacted with account on, on Twitter. So.
so, you know, since my account is the most interactive with account on the whole system, that's kind of what, where scammers are going to target my account, you know? So...
Speaker 1
When you say scammers, what do you mean, like hacking into your account?
Speaker 2
no, just like people trying to impersonate crypto scams and...
Speaker 1
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's all over.
Speaker 2
Yeah,
Speaker 1
that's all over the internet. I mean, Discord, everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 2
yeah, crypto scams are, yeah. But there's like, you know, scams of various kinds, it's crypto scams being number one, but there's other scams too. What about
Speaker 1
that coin, the Elon coin? Wasn't there an Elon coin that just blew up too?
Speaker 2
Yeah, I mean, I don't know, there's like everything coin.
Speaker 3
What do you think about crypto? Not really
Speaker 4
anymore, though, that shitcoin phase kind of... No,
Speaker 1
but it was, actually, this one I took off. I mean, it still trades well, I think. I haven't looked in a while, but yeah.
Speaker 2
Well, I have nothing to do with it.
Speaker 3
I bought a lot, because I thought it was yours.
Speaker 1
Dumbass. Took a huge L on that. Dumb motherfucker.
Speaker 3
What do you think of the crypto right now, the future? Bitcoin, Ethereum, the big ones. You
Speaker 1
love Doge.
Speaker 2
Yeah, I mean, I'm mainly supporting Doge, frankly.
because I think Doge is like the, has the memes and dogs and, and it seems like has a sense of humor and doesn't take itself too seriously.
Speaker 3
But what's the potential with it?
Speaker 2
I do think actually, weirdly, even though Doge was just, just designed to be like this ridiculous joke currency,
the, the actual total transactional throughput capability of Doge is, much higher than Bitcoin. and the fact that there's 5 billion Doge created every year,
is, is actually, I think, good for using it as, as a transactional currency.
cause it
Speaker 3
Where is it used as a transactional currency? Anywhere right now? Oh, you
Speaker 2
can buy like Tesla merch and SpaceX merch with Doge.
Speaker 3
Oh, nice.
Speaker 2
And, and you can also pay for Boring Company rides in Vegas. You pay
Speaker 3
for what?
Speaker 2
Like, so Boring, Boring Company has, tunnels under Vegas.
Speaker 3
What?
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 3
I know Boring Company with the flamethrower, but I didn't know they had underground tunnels like that. That's
Speaker 2
probably mostly what it does.
Speaker 3
So what, you save time with traffic?
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 1
The flamethrower was merch. You never get
Speaker 2
stuck on the strip in traffic.
Speaker 4
And they're live available to use right now?
Speaker 2
Yeah, just opened the one from like Resorts World. So
Speaker 3
there's tunnels under Vegas. You gotta rip
Speaker 4
that.
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. Well,
Speaker 1
Tesla's only, right?
Speaker 2
yeah, it's like Tesla's in a tunnel, basically.
Speaker 1
Yeah. What the
Speaker 3
fuck?
Speaker 2
Yeah, so you can buy. But you own a Tesla. Yeah, Slim,
Speaker 1
Slim owns a
Speaker 4
Tesla. You own a Tesla.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 5
I love your car, by the way. I know you like it a lot.
Speaker 3
Who's your biggest enemy right now?
Speaker 5
Yeah, who is your, who is your biggest enemy?
Speaker 2
Well, I, I, I, I did challenge Vladimir Putin to, one-on-one,
You know, single combat. Well, my adversary's my biggest enemy, but I did challenge him to this on Twitter. What does that mean,
Speaker 4
single combat?
Speaker 3
MMA?
Speaker 2
Yeah, MMA style.
Speaker 1
Oh, really? We could help with that. Dana White.
Speaker 4
Dana White,
Speaker 2
Joe Rogan commentating. I'll pay for you alone or pay for the war.
Speaker 5
You'll have everybody watching. You think you
Speaker 4
could, you think you could take Putin, though?
Speaker 2
I don't know. That's the, I think it would be an interesting question cuz he's like good at martial arts.
Speaker 4
You guys would have time to train and shit too.
Speaker 2
He's pretty buff. I don't know. So you see those pictures of him on a horse and stuff? I mean,
Speaker 4
Putin, I don't, those Russians are tough, man.
Speaker 3
What's your skill set?
Speaker 2
I'm not doubting you, but
Speaker 4
like, I'd be, I'd be cheering for you.
Speaker 2
I don't know. Look at those arms. I, I, I do have a bit of a weight advantage, but. What's your
Speaker 3
game plan in the octagon though?
Speaker 4
Yeah, are you like a ground guy or like?
Speaker 3
I think you're a striker. You got to use your reach. You're a striker maybe. But
Speaker 4
what would your game plan be against Putin? Would you take him down? No,
Speaker 2
he's at like, he has like one judo championships and stuff, so. Oh, he's pretty, he's pretty good. You sure you're
Speaker 3
calling out the right guy?
Speaker 5
Fine,
Speaker 3
he's number two.
Speaker 2
but I, but I, I, I think I'm probably 50% heavier than him. So,
I, I could, you know.
Speaker 5
Kick him in the nuts.
Speaker 2
Kick him in the
Speaker 5
nuts.
Speaker 2
Yeah,
Speaker 5
I
Speaker 2
mean, if, if you got a big weight advantage,
That, that can overcome a lot of technique, you know.
Speaker 4
Have you ever talked to him? Like,
Speaker 2
I, I, I have a move called the walrus. The walrus? Yeah.
Speaker 3
What's that?
Speaker 2
Which I use on a friend of mine who's actually like, like, she's like very, very agile and, and whatnot, but I was like, let me explain to you why there are weight classes in MMA. I'm going to use a, a move called the walrus, where I just lie on you and you can't get away.
Speaker 4
You just like suffocate them so you,
Speaker 3
so you try that on?
Speaker 2
It's not a bad thing. I want to
Speaker 1
try that on Stiney.
Speaker 2
Yeah,
Speaker 3
well that will win. If you have thighs on them, it'll win.
Speaker 2
I'm
Speaker 1
Elon, you're Putin.
Speaker 2
Yeah, well then I'm good. Unless you and Gabriel have tried that. You just lie on them and that's the whole move.
Speaker 5
You ever been
Speaker 2
in a
Speaker 4
fight? Yeah. What? What's the last fight
Speaker 5
you've been in? was it a bar fight?
Speaker 2
No, when I grew up, the things were very violent, so I was, I mean, I never, I never started a fight or anything, but I had a lot of fights I didn't want to be in. and I got beaten up really badly in a few of them, actually. So,
but, so I've been in like real hardcore street fights.
Speaker 4
Really?
Speaker 2
Hardcore. What age? I I don't know, from when I was
maybe six to sixteen-ish. What,
Speaker 3
like people picking on you and shit, or?
Speaker 2
Yeah. I grew up in South Africa. It's a very violent place. So.
Speaker 3
You think that's what motivated you to become what you are?
Speaker 2
I mean, it maybe played a role. Suddenly toughen you up, that's for sure. I mean, the people say like, you know, they're all worried about words and stuff. People are worried about words never been punched in the face, I'd say. If you've been punched in the face real hard, right on the nose, man, you'll take, you'll take any words rather than that, you know.
Speaker 5
Were you more quiet like back then, six to sixteen?
Speaker 2
Yeah, I mean, I was, I was bookish, you know, so I was like, reading a lot of books and just, kind of nerd basically. I worked computers and books and stuff, so.
and, and I didn't, I didn't get big until, I, like, I was like a late bloomer from a size standpoint, so I was like small relatively speaking. I was like the youngest kid in the grade, I was like almost the smallest kid in the grade. So,
being small and, and having some, having violent bullies is a bad situation, you know.
Speaker 3
I went through that too. Yeah, and
Speaker 2
once
Speaker 5
I got to, once I, once I, Yeah,
Speaker 2
yeah.
Speaker 3
Never bloomed, but it's okay. It's
Speaker 5
not getting up, you're not getting taller any sooner.
Speaker 3
It's all right.
Speaker 2
I mean, but, like, like I only sort of, you know, got like a reasonably good size around age 15, and, and then around age 16 is when they stopped, trying to beat me out, because it didn't work out well for them.
Then the
Speaker 4
walrus came out, But
Speaker 3
it is, you tried
Speaker 2
it enough to guy out.
Speaker 1
Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 4
Do you watch like a lot of UFC and MMA? Yeah, I
Speaker 2
watch, it's actually not that, if you, one, one punch in the face, you're not guy out with bare fists, no problem.
Speaker 1
My guy,
Speaker 3
yeah.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Bam.
Speaker 3
You watch UFC, you said? You watch a lot of UFC?
Speaker 2
Yeah, I watch UFC from like, you know, the,
I, I don't, I mean, I watch UFC occasionally these days. I watch the, the early, fights with Hoist Gracie, which was so brutal. Yeah,
Speaker 4
yeah,
Speaker 3
yeah.
Speaker 2
Crazy. That was like, we didn't have any rules, basically. I mean, they had technically had some rules, cause, you know, you can't have like eye gouging, kneecaps, or throat, you know. They
Speaker 4
had the same rules back then, yeah. So if you really want to take someone
Speaker 2
out, just fucking punch them in the throat, you know, that this is game over. poke them in the eye, or, or knock their kneecap off.
Speaker 4
You still watch now?
Speaker 2
So. I, I, I see occasional ones, and, I mean, there's also a lot more, a lot more, it's, it's still, you know, interesting to watch, but there's a lot more technique and,
but, you know, these days they have like, like weight categories.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 2
Cause if, if, if you have some, you know, 300 pound guy go against 100 pound guy, it's not going to be a contest, you know.
Speaker 4
We go to a lot of fights. We're good friends with Dana White, the,
Speaker 2
yeah,
Speaker 4
so we, we love UFC too.
Speaker 1
And we're partners with one of the fighters, Sugar Sean O'Malley.
Speaker 2
Yeah, I mean, it's, it's pretty wild seeing these fights. I mean, it's a tough gig. It
Speaker 1
is.
Speaker 2
Tough gig.
Speaker 1
Yeah. And some of the, some of
Speaker 2
the injuries are gnarly, you know, like break a shin or something like that and just have a floppy leg. Or
Speaker 1
the long term, like brain effects too, like.
Speaker 2
I have to say, it's, it's, yeah. like I know a lot about brains, actually, and, and you, you, you really don't want to take a hard hit, like a bunch of hard hits. Like your, your brain's like kind of like jello. It's like jello in a coconut. Like your skull is a hard coconut, and, and your brain is like a, is like a, basically has like the consistency of jello.
so, yeah, the thing that damages you is actually the brain hitting the, hitting the side of your skull, because skull's real hard. So there's, there's actually technically something called the subarachnoid space, which is like the, the area between your brain and, and the skull. Yeah, so you got like a little bit of, I don't know, like, quarter inch or so of space between your skull and your brain.
and, and, and then, then you, at some point, like a really hard, you know, hit is gonna,
you're gonna lose some neurons, you know. So the
Speaker 3
guys, the guys in the NFL, the CTE thing's real, huh?
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, I mean it just, any kind of hard, like real fast jerk acceleration, is get, your, your brain is going to get damaged up against your skull.
Speaker 3
How bad is a,
Speaker 2
how
Speaker 3
bad is a concussion, just one concussion?
Speaker 2
One concussion is probably okay.
Speaker 3
One?
Speaker 2
Yeah, if it's not too crazy. repeated, repeated concussions or repeated injuries, like what's going to happen is you're going to lose, you're going to lose a certain number of neurons are going to die. You know, so you smash your, you smash your brain against your skull internally just due to a fast acceleration, you're going to lose some number of neurons.
Now if you keep doing that, you're going to lose enough neurons to make a difference. Your brain can handle a lot of neuron signing, but
Speaker 3
at a certain
Speaker 2
point you're going to, you're going to start, losing mental capability.
Speaker 3
What does that do to you? Oh, just you lose your ability to think?
Speaker 2
yeah, at some point you will, you will have erosion of your ability to think or You know, ability, like you could have damage to the motor cortex, in which case you could have like jitters or numbness or,
so you lose memories, you know.
Speaker 1
You see that with a lot of NFL players.
Speaker 3
I know, it's sad, bro. What about,
Speaker 5
what about the Neuralink brain chip? Talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 2
Yeah, so the Neuralink, brain chip can, can help with brain injuries. The, our, our, our initial goal is to help, people who are like, quadriplegics or tetraplegics, like basically, you know, can't, can't move anything, to be able to operate their phone, or computer faster than someone who's got working hands.
that's like, that's the first thing we're trying to get done. And, and then we think it's actually possible to create an, like a neural shunt between, so if you've got like a neural link in your skull connected to your brain, your motor cortex, you put another neural link. Your spinal cord passed where the, the nerves are broken, and then it's just like, it's like a wire, like, it's like,
like a wireless bridge of, the, the neurons are kind of like wires, and if you, you've got a bunch of broken wires, you can have a wireless bridge from your brain to, where the neurons are still alive. You could, you could have full body reanimation.
Speaker 3
I thought the, the Neuralink downloads information, though, too, right? Like, can you learn, like, I don't know too much about it, but can you learn a whole language from a Neuralink chip?
Speaker 2
I mean, down the road, I think probably yes. We're still like Neuralink version one, which is very basic, you know? Think of it like a very early cell phone.
Speaker 3
Sure.
Speaker 2
versus current cell phones. Do
Speaker 3
you ever worry, though, that at some point that's just going to make all humans, like, at the same ability, if everybody has a Neuralink?
Speaker 2
It will actually even out ability, yeah. I mean, but bear in mind, like, you'll be able to see this coming. It's not gonna happen, like, suddenly. So we don't, we haven't even had put one in, in, in one human yet. So, we're hoping to do that maybe end of this year or early next. In a
Speaker 4
real human?
Speaker 2
Yeah,
Speaker 4
yeah. Wow.
Speaker 5
Holy shit.
Speaker 2
we already have, it's working in, in monkeys. Like, we've got, like, a monkey that can play Pong with its mind. I've seen,
Speaker 4
I've seen that. That
Speaker 3
can play what?
Speaker 5
Play
Speaker 2
Pong what? A, a monkey that, that can play Pong.
Speaker 3
Like ping pong? Just
Speaker 2
by thinking. Like, just, it's not touching control or anything. It's like playing. So they
Speaker 4
made the monkey play ping pong, like with the mouse?
Speaker 2
Well, in the
Speaker 4
game,
Speaker 5
no, no, no.
Speaker 3
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1
Yeah, video game.
Speaker 3
Wow.
Speaker 2
First of all, I think most people don't realize monkeys can play Pong. So step one, monkeys can play Pong. then, so you train the monkey to play Pong, and, you know, and you give it, like, basically it just has, like, a banana smoothie, that it can, every time it, you know, hits the ball using the joystick, it
Speaker 5
gets a little sip
Speaker 2
on the banana smoothie. and, so then, so first you train the monkey to play Pong, and then, then, then you, you activate the neural link, and you basically see when the monkey's moving the joystick, what neural signals do you, do you, do you read out? and then, so you can see when the monkey's moving the joystick up or down, what, you're getting a certain neural output from the neural, neural link device.
Then, then you disconnect the joysticks. The monkey's still moving the joystick, but the joystick's not connected anymore.
Speaker 3
How long ago was that? It
Speaker 2
was like a year ago, I think.
Speaker 3
Is there going to be a point where the neural link can teach a monkey how to speak English?
Speaker 5
That'd be so insane.
Speaker 2
Create some Planet of the Apes show.
Speaker 3
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2
Make some genius monkey and it's gonna take over the world. Could
Speaker 3
you, don't you wanna do that?
Speaker 2
Or like that, Rick and Morty episode where they give the dog, the, the, yeah, are you a big Rick and Morty guy? The dog, the dogs take over the world because of the dog brain enhancer.
Speaker 3
Yeah.
Speaker 2
Have you seen that episode?
Speaker 3
Nah. You, you're a big Rick and Morty guy, huh?
Speaker 2
Yeah, Rick and Morty's great.
Speaker 3
What else do you watch? Anything else?
Speaker 2
Actually, I should rewatch some of those episodes. You
Speaker 3
seen Curb Your Enthusiasm?
Speaker 2
yeah.
Speaker 3
Fan of that?
Speaker 2
yeah, it's not bad.
Speaker 1
Breaking Bad?
Speaker 2
Breaking Bad's great.
Speaker 1
Better Call Saul?
Speaker 2
yeah, I watched a couple seasons of that,
Speaker 1
yeah.
Speaker 4
House of Cards?
Speaker 2
I, I couldn't get into House of Cards that much.
Speaker 1
Narcos?
Speaker 2
Vik, Vikings and, Last Kingdom were pretty
Speaker 1
good. I, I haven't seen that. I heard that's good.
Speaker 2
Yeah, like, Vikings and Last Kingdom were good.
And,
Speaker 3
of course. I
Speaker 4
haven't
Speaker 2
seen The
Speaker 5
Office.
Speaker 2
I've seen some episodes of The Office. I mean, I thought The Office is not bad. I, I didn't find it like I, like I was really dying to see more. have you seen the movie Office Space?
Speaker 5
No,
Speaker 2
I
Speaker 1
haven't.
Speaker 2
Office Space is
Speaker 3
great. Oh, of course, the movie? Yeah,
Speaker 2
great, great
Speaker 3
movie. Great
Speaker 2
movie.
Speaker 1
Yeah, I see that.
Speaker 3
Yeah, it's a classic.
Speaker 5
Why
Speaker 3
do you like that, though? Just the dry
Speaker 1
humor? I think your dry humor guy.
Speaker 2
Dry
Speaker 5
humor's dope. It's a guy
Speaker 3
that works a nine to five and he's like
Speaker 5
dry humor.
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's funny. I find it's really funny.
Speaker 3
I
Speaker 2
like, I like Mark Judge's, humor in general.
Speaker 1
Yeah, my god, it's great. Leave us in bedhead.
Speaker 4
But with the Neuralink, do you, what do you think, like, do you think there's anything ever, do you think that could go wrong with it? Like, what if, what if, What
Speaker 2
could ever go wrong? What if the government, No, I, I mean,
Speaker 4
What if the government got involved in, like, Neuralink?
Speaker 2
Well, I think, so first of all, like, like I said, Neuralink's, like, not, it's going to take a long time to advance Neuralink technology, so it's not like it'll, it'll suddenly be able to do super advanced things. It'll be like, slowly we'll, you know, get, you know, enable people who are, like, quadriplegics to be able to control their phone and their, you know, try to live a normal, you know, normal life as much as possible.
Speaker 4
So you're going to start it with people that need
Speaker 2
it? Yeah, very, like, it's going to be like, because there's always some risk in the beginning, you know, because new technology. So it's got to be, like, the risk reward's got to make sense. It's got to be, you know, there's, there's some risk, so the re, re, reward's got to be big. so like if you're quadriplegic, and, but with a neural link, you can, you can operate a phone even faster than someone who's got working thumbs, then that would be a huge life changer, you know? So the, the reward would be worth the risk.
and like I said, I think we, we, there's a way for us to actually take the motor signals from the motor cortex in the brain and have a second neural link that's past the point where the neurons are broken in your spine and then, and then transmit those signals so you, you can move your body again. So you can make, I think you could enable people to walk again, which would be pretty wild, like that'd be like next level.
Yeah, this is like, they're nervous of getting Jesus level stuff, you know? This
Speaker 4
is, this is
Speaker 2
Jesus level.
Speaker 5
Is this all you're thinking about? cause you say you go to sleep at 3 a.m. Is this what you think about like late at night? Like I wonder what goes on. Yeah, sometimes.
Speaker 2
most of my thinking, is, like, is, is on SpaceX and Tesla. So that, that absorbs the vast majority of... How do you, how do
Speaker 1
you decide? Neuralink
Speaker 4
is, to me, even like almost more interesting than space. Like that is insane. It's so cool. I think
Speaker 3
it's kind of scary too.
Speaker 1
It is
Speaker 4
very...
Speaker 2
Because how advanced
Speaker 3
can you make humans? And then it's like, no one, there's no differentiator if like everybody can be the same level of intelligence.
Speaker 4
We'd be superhuman at that point, right?
Speaker 2
We, we would be superhuman, yes.
Speaker 4
Then, we
Speaker 2
say almost everyone can have the same cell phone, you know, and like it's, it's like, so, you know, cell phones are a great leveler and the internet is a great leveler because like all, it used to be that information was very limited. Like in order to get, learn something, you'd have to go to a library. And if you didn't have access to the library, then you couldn't, didn't have access to information.
But now anyone, you know, in the world with like, like a hundred dollar phone and like internet cafe can access all the information, you know, learn anything essentially. So.
The internet is a great leveler for information and education.
Speaker 4
You can just learn
Speaker 2
anything online for basically for free.
Speaker 4
Do you see Neuralink as like one day everyone will have one, or, or would it only be for people that have like disabilities?
Speaker 2
No, I think, so we're just starting off with, like I said.
Speaker 4
Like long-term vision.
Speaker 2
Yeah, long, this, yeah, so we're starting off with things where it's like, because there's like some risk, you know, of, so we're not, we're not sure things will go right, so there's got to be the some risk, because new technology, so the reward has to be really high. Like, you know, being able to use a phone versus not use a phone, you know, having your, you know, be able to walk or not walk is a big, big reward.
So, that's how we'll start off. And then,
you know, I think there's like a bunch of things that,
could, could be addressed, like, Extreme depression or like morbid obesity, like where people like died age 35, like that's, we could like literally change the setting in your brain and, and to internal hunger, which would be pretty, pretty, pretty cool.
you know, if somebody's got like s-s-serious depression to the point where they're like suicidal,
Speaker 3
we could
Speaker 2
fix, yeah, fine, sure, why
Speaker 4
not? we
Speaker 3
got
Speaker 1
to
Speaker 3
try, we
Speaker 1
We have a banana flavor that we're sampling and we put our board ape on there.
Speaker 2
Okay.
Speaker 3
Do you just like trolling?
Speaker 2
Yeah, I love trolling.
Speaker 3
Yeah.
Speaker 2
Trolling rocks.
Speaker 1
Yeah. So that's,
Speaker 2
you know,
Speaker 1
I mean, that's
Speaker 3
dope if you can get like
Speaker 1
100,000
Speaker 3
likes like that on Twitter, you just troll people.
Speaker 1
You know who else likes to troll? Do you ever respond to haters at all? Hey, you went in with AOC a little bit, right? You went after her.
Speaker 2
Well, yeah, I mean, I don't. You went at AOC? She started it, you know.
Speaker 3
She started
Speaker 1
it. She did
Speaker 2
start it.
Speaker 3
What was that about? She was
Speaker 2
like coming after me and like, I don't know, saying some, some bullshit. I don't know.
Speaker 3
What pissed her off, do you know? Wait, what, what was that situation?
Speaker 2
I don't know. I think she was like, I don't know, attacking me or something. I don't know what it was, but, but then I was like, well, okay, why don't we have a poll and see who do you prefer? You know, like, wait, I think my poll was like, you know, it's like, oh, she was like saying, oh, billionaires are evil and you're a billionaire and therefore you're evil or something like that, you know? And I was like, And I was like, well, you're a politician.
Speaker 3
Yeah, facts.
Speaker 2
Take that. You know, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. And then I, and then I, and then I held a poll like, okay, which one do you, I don't know,
like more politicians or billionaires? And they're like, billionaires won by a lot, you know? So I was like, okay, take that, AOC.
And, and then, and then like some, some, someone who was like super pro AOC ran a direct poll of like, you know, who do you like more, AOC or Elon Musk? Expecting like AOC to win. Oh my God. You lost. Oh, ironic.
Speaker 3
I mean,
Speaker 2
okay, you know? Yeah, in the meme arena, it's like the meme MMA, you know?
Speaker 3
You walrus there on the poles?
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Why, you, you knew you were going to win by like a large margin. No, I mean, I don't
Speaker 2
know for sure. No, no. She's a billionaire. She's a politician. She's got a lot of, you know, she's got a lot of fans.
Speaker 3
She does. She has a diehard following. She does have a
Speaker 2
diehard following, yeah. Slim,
Speaker 1
Slim doesn't know who she is, but I think you'd like her. I don't
Speaker 4
really know too much about her.
Speaker 1
No, no, no, not, not her politics. I think you'd think she's, she's
Speaker 3
attractive.
Speaker 4
Yeah. Oh, you know
Speaker 1
who she is. Okay.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 3
She's all right.
Speaker 4
She's all right.
Speaker 2
Yeah, great choice of lipstick, I think.
Great taste in lipstick is, I mean, that's my observation. That's genuine compliments.
Tony, I'm wrong.
Speaker 1
Were
Speaker 3
you always like,
Speaker 2
were you always
Speaker 3
like publicly more like Conservative? I feel like that's something a little more recent.
Speaker 2
Am I conservative?
Speaker 3
Or just like, I mean,
Speaker 2
no, no, no, well like,
Speaker 3
well you're like a billionaire that, even,
Speaker 2
even, I mean,
Speaker 3
what does
Speaker 2
that mean anyway?
Speaker 4
Well, supporting
Speaker 3
conservatives, like DeSantis and stuff like that.
Speaker 2
I think DeSantis is like, I don't know, he seems like he'd be doing a good job in Florida. You know, he wasn't like, He's
Speaker 3
doing a dope, he's doing an amazing job.
Speaker 2
Yeah, I think he's doing a good job in Florida. But just like
Speaker 3
not many billionaires come out and like, I don't know, I don't see it. Like it's mostly, you know, don't you get that pressure?
Speaker 2
Yeah, I definitely get a lot of pressure. I mean, there's like people pushing me in all sorts of directions. But I would say like, I think I'm a moderate, you know, I don't know, at least, you know, I generally think like, you know, we should let people, like, you know, the government shouldn't oppress the people and stuff, you know, and shouldn't be like mandating
lots of things, you know, telling people what to do, you know. We don't want like a big, big brother situation where the, the, the government's just like, you know, bossing people around.
and, you know, so, we should just make sure like, you know, freedom in America is, is preserved, you know?
Speaker 5
Yeah, the craziest thing to me too, how, how come Tesla, for instance, is so dominant in the electric car space? Cause I know, you know, Fisker, Nikola, all these others, but they can't compete like at any level.
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Speaker 5
Like, why are you so far ahead of all these guys? Is
Speaker 3
Fisker even a thing?
Speaker 2
Yeah,
Speaker 5
I bet he was. He's on his second go, Henrik Fisker.
Speaker 2
Well, the, the, the hard problem is not making a prototype. The hard problem is,
is making the factory. So the factory is like a hundred times, maybe a thousand times harder than the prototype. So,
that's why I'm like working here. I mean, I was in the Tesla factory Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
Speaker 5
You, you said you're there?
Speaker 2
I was there literally this past Friday, Saturday, Sunday in the factory, all weekend basically.
and, you know, cause we're, we're working on bringing up the factory. It's really hard to do production. So the, the issue is, is like prototypes are easy, production is hard. you got to have this giant factory, which is like the cybernetic collective, you know, with 10,000 things that can go wrong.
And you got to solve them all really fast. If you don't solve problems fast enough, the factory doesn't go. And if, and if you've got some big factory, it's going to burn money like crazy if you, if you can't make products. So,
like manufacturing is underrated. it's really hard.
Speaker 5
Well, do you worry about the competition or you like it?
Speaker 2
I'm not worried about the competition. Not, not, not from the standpoint of like, oh, hey, that, that, it's, it's just not a thing. It's not a, like our Tesla's success or failure will not be because of competition. It's like, do we make a high quality product at a price people can afford? And I, I kind of, kind of feel guilty right now, like our prices are kind of high, you know?
because we also just don't know where inflation's headed. Sure. Inflation's like, cause like the wait list for, for some Tesla, depending on which model it is, could be like up to a year. So then if you're like, okay, well,
Speaker 5
yeah,
Speaker 2
then if like, if inflation's 9%, well, we better increase, have prices for You know, if a car sold today delivered in a year, we have to anticipate the inflation.
Speaker 1
So
Speaker 2
like, like our, frankly, our prices are embarrassingly high right now. So I'm hoping inflation goes down. I think it probably will, actually.
it's like a little too early to tell, but I think the trend is that, like at Tesla we're seeing the prices of commodities six months out are, the more are going down than up. So that's like a positive sign on the inflation front.
but we'll see. It's a little too early to tell.
Speaker 1
Is there anything you can share on the Cybertruck updates?
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 2
Yeah. so we expect to be in volume production of Cybertruck next year. So it's, it's a, since it's like a radically different architecture from any other car, it's, it's quite difficult to figure out how to make it, you know. Because it's not, you can't just use prior techniques to manufacture the Cybertruck. You have to invent a whole new set of manufacturing techniques for the Cybertruck.
So, but I think at this point we feel like we've got a handle on all the issues and,
we expect to start delivering them by the middle of next year.
Speaker 1
We need like 20 of them. We want to, this is our alcohol, and we want to wrap them in Happy Dad. We're going to make them our delivery trucks. I think it's
Speaker 2
a sick product. I mean, it's great. How many
Speaker 5
people are on that? All Happy
Speaker 3
Dad delivery trucks are Cybertrucks. We need 20 of them,
Speaker 1
Elon. And we'll be all wrapped Happy Dad. People will Instagram them.
Speaker 2
Like the thing about Cybertruck is it's going to change the whole look of the roads.
Speaker 1
We're happy to pay. How
Speaker 5
so?
Speaker 1
We're happy to pay.
Speaker 5
We're happy to pay. We just need, we,
Speaker 2
well, if you just see it. Different
Speaker 5
looking pickup truck?
Speaker 2
It just looks radic, it's just, it's like the whole aesthetic is just It looks like CGI in real life. Like even when you're standing right next to it.
Speaker 3
I mean, imagine picking up a girl on a Cybertruck.
Speaker 5
That would be the
Speaker 4
ultimate. Like it's pretty much,
Speaker 3
it's, the hard work's done. Like the second she gets in the car, it's just kind of like over, you know?
Speaker 2
My Tesla, my Tesla now,
Speaker 4
my Tesla now. We're
Speaker 3
repopulating, you know?
Speaker 4
Does well. It's military green, does well.
Speaker 1
What did, what did you pull up in? Okay, well, what Tesla do you? What's your everyday? I just
Speaker 2
drive a Model S.
Speaker 1
Model S. Yeah.
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 1
It's a beauty.
Speaker 2
and, I mean, I, I just, I mean, you know, with the Model S, I was aiming for something that, what is the, the car I want to drive more than anything, and So, since I have kids, it's like need four doors and stuff, you know, need to be able to put the kids seat somewhere.
Speaker 4
I
Speaker 2
also wanted to be really good with handling and acceleration.
Speaker 1
What do you have? You have a Model S? I have a
Speaker 4
Model S 2021.
Speaker 2
Yeah, Model S is sick. I like
Speaker 4
the car. I mean, it's, it's, it's just, it's like a perfect car. That's great. I mean, I
Speaker 5
got a Y.
Speaker 4
What else would you want, you know, unless you're a smart bastard, right?
Speaker 3
This guy hits the charging stations way too late. Oh,
Speaker 4
too much, yeah. Supercharger, man, hey. You're getting all that money.
Speaker 1
Part of our content, one of our guys, Steve, the one who lost his YouTube channel, is giving away Teslas.
Speaker 2
He's
Speaker 1
given away, I think he's bought 12, 12 Teslas in the last year and a half.
Speaker 4
Yeah, Tesla. It's cliche, but Teslas are amazing.
Speaker 1
No, they're nice.
Speaker 4
What about solar panels? What's the future on that? I think
Speaker 2
solar will be the single biggest source of energy in the world.
so, and Tesla just does quite a lot of solar. And it's growing, it's growing fast, so.
Speaker 1
SolarCity's you as well?
Speaker 2
well, SolarCity was acquired by Tesla, but then we, we retired the SolarCity brand and now it's just Tesla.
Speaker 1
Tesla, okay.
Speaker 2
Yeah. although they still like a lot of houses that were installed with SolarCity and stuff, so.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 2
and, yeah, but, like, for a sustainable energy, energy future, you got solar power, and then you need battery packs, stationary battery packs to store the solar power, because obviously sun doesn't shine at night, and, and then, electric vehicles, and then you got to have a fully sustainable future. So, the, the real value of Tesla is accelerating the advent of sustainability.
It's like, that's like, what, what's, what is the real value of Tesla to civilization? It will be accelerating sustainability by 10 years, maybe 20 years. Wow. Yeah. Do you use autopilot?
Speaker 4
Hell
Speaker 5
yeah, I use autopilot.
Speaker 4
Yeah, but, you know, I do like autopilot, but I, I do like to
Speaker 2
just
Speaker 4
have my hand on the wheel. No, I use autopilot, cause I'll go
Speaker 5
from LA to OC. Yeah. Which
Speaker 1
should I say, which one do you have?
Speaker 2
Well, not, not saying that. It's supposed to be on your phone, but, but the, but the, but like, autopilot is awesome.
Speaker 5
It's amazing. Because
Speaker 2
like, in traffic, you, you don't have any opportunity to like, like,
Speaker 4
you know. Yeah, yeah, autopilot's
Speaker 5
changed my life, straight up.
Speaker 4
Well, yeah, well, not, not that I don't trust you or anything, but I just have to have my hand on the wheel. You wouldn't say keep your hands
Speaker 2
on the wheel, you know. I'm being
Speaker 4
very honest. I mean, like, you know when you hear the beep, like, that's the
Speaker 5
best thing I'm going to tell you about the Tesla that I've noticed is the autopilot feature just changes the game for anybody.
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 5
It's seriously insane.
Speaker 2
If you're commuting in traffic, it's, it's amazing. Total game changer. Especially
Speaker 5
in LA.
Speaker 2
Yeah. I love the piano
Speaker 4
and the fire.
Speaker 2
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4
Yeah, and
Speaker 5
you know what you do? I
Speaker 4
took a chick to a... The
Speaker 5
honks are crazy too. How do you do that? You just come up with that? You can fart if you honk at a car.
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah, I've used that app on my car. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2
there's like, there's an internal fart app where you can make a fart sound like it's coming from any seat in the vehicle. So, you know, it's like just using like spatial audio. So, and like, and people aren't expecting that, you know? Yeah, I
Speaker 4
use it when people are walking across the road. I know who came up with that
Speaker 2
idea. Elon died when he
Speaker 3
thought of that idea. So the external fart,
Speaker 2
like you can, the horn can make a fart sound, so you can like just fart at people.
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've
Speaker 1
done that a lot. And then the
Speaker 2
internal fart one is you can, you can have different fart sounds and they, but you can pick which seat it's, it's coming from.
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the back, yeah, yeah. So,
Speaker 2
so like where, where somebody doesn't know that this exists, that you can really play, mess with them, you know, cause they're just not expecting it. Like, you can say like, the fart sound should come from the right rear seat. and the speakers will just produce it from there, and people are like, whoa.
Speaker 4
Well, no, even using it outside, like when I use it on people, like sometimes I just fuck around, I honk and stuff. People usually, I would expect them to get mad, but they're like, it's funny, though.
Speaker 5
That's the one thing, though, if you want to honk at somebody and you fart at them, I don't know if it's as like, yo, you cut me off.
Like, I want to know, like, yo, dude, you cut me off, but it's funny, they're probably laughing.
Speaker 2
It's kind of funny, you know.
Speaker 1
Yeah,
Speaker 2
you can also like make the sort of, the car can,
the external speaker can, like, when you're just cruising around a parking lot or something, you can make it play, like, you know, Polynesian elevator music, or like snake jazz,
or you can make it, like, play the coconut sound from Monty Python, so it's like, clop, clop, clop. Sounds like cohoes. It
Speaker 4
is a pretty sick car.
Speaker 5
Any other features you haven't tapped into you want to launch?
Speaker 2
I mean, we always like little, little things that here and there. there's a whole bunch of Easter eggs in the car, which I think people found almost all of them online. Easter
Speaker 5
eggs?
Speaker 2
Yeah, Easter eggs mean like, like little things you can do in the car. Mystery things
Speaker 3
you gotta discover yourself.
Speaker 2
Yeah, discover yourself or technically you just, you know, Google it or whatever. Anything super,
Speaker 5
anything anybody hasn't discovered?
Speaker 2
not that I know of. but sometimes there's like things the guys don't tell me that are in there, you know. Oh, wow. You know, found out. So, like only recently I found like voice command open butthole will open the charge port door.
Speaker 1
You tweeted that. Yeah,
Speaker 2
if you use voice command open butthole, then the charge port door opens.
Speaker 5
Wow.
Speaker 4
Is there a
Speaker 2
supercharger?
Speaker 4
Is there a supercharger for the house?
Speaker 2
I saw
Speaker 1
that too the other day. It's just crazy
Speaker 5
cause nobody else does it like this.
Speaker 4
Yeah,
Speaker 2
I know. No other car companies have no sense of humor, you
Speaker 5
know?
Speaker 2
It's like they're super serious. No fun. No fun, yeah. I mean, I'll go with the Tesla, just like, what's the most amount of fun you can have in a car, basically? And I think like, why wouldn't you do that, you know?
Speaker 5
Hell
Speaker 4
yeah.
Speaker 2
That's such a rare
Speaker 3
quality you have, Elon, is that you're such a smart guy, but you're also like, you know, to relate to the, to the people.
Speaker 2
Yeah, well, I mean, I just like, what's the thing that I'd want? Like, the car has the most fun, you know?
Speaker 4
Yeah, you definitely have comedy in you.
Speaker 2
Yeah, I love comedy. Stand up is my side hustle. Do you
Speaker 4
have superchargers? Do you have superchargers for the house? Or is it just... No, I just use regular
Speaker 2
chargers.
Speaker 4
Well, we got a supercharger in the house, man.
Speaker 2
I'm
Speaker 4
tired of going to those Tesla supercharging places, man. It's like, I just want to... Well,
Speaker 2
you just need a regular, you know, regular wall charger is all you need.
Speaker 4
That's true,
Speaker 2
yeah.
Speaker 5
He's the guy that doesn't plug his iPhone in at night. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm always, I'm always like three miles. Yeah. Yo, I
Speaker 4
will tell you though, I've been on zero miles for at least 20 minutes on the road, and I've gotten to a supercharger, so thank you for that. Anyway, I don't know.
Speaker 2
Yeah, I mean, it does have more miles than it says. When it says zero, it actually got more, a few more miles left.
so, yeah. so yeah, there'll be more, more fun stuff coming down the road.
we're actually just, we're trying to get, like, steam working on Teslas, so like you can play, once we get steam working, then you can play any game that's on, on steam on a Tesla. Oh,
Speaker 4
really?
Speaker 1
That's,
Speaker 2
that's huge. It's cool. Wow. It'd be kind of fun, especially if you get the self-driving thing going, you know, like, oh yeah, what are you going to do, you know, like be on your phone or play a game or watch a movie or something. So then,
Speaker 4
It's crazy.
Speaker 5
It's funny because people always say, yo, I fell asleep, but I had the autopilot. But during the autopilot, you have to hold the steering wheel and let them know you're there.
Speaker 2
So... Yeah, what'll happen is if you do fall asleep, then the car will stop beeping at you and like really is going to beep at you real loud if you don't do anything.
Speaker 5
So let's... wakes you up?
Speaker 2
It'll wake you up. Sometimes people are like passed out so much they don't wake up, but then the car will just gradually slow down and put on the emergency blinkers. Wow.
Speaker 5
But that's way
Speaker 2
better than falling asleep in a car that doesn't have autopilot and it's going to crash, you know?
Speaker 5
Absolutely.
Speaker 2
I mean, the thing that got me to really, you know, getting up on the autopilot front was in the early days, there was a guy that fell asleep at the wheel on a Model S
and he ran over a cyclist and killed the cyclist.
Speaker 4
Oh my god, Model S is kind of...
Speaker 2
Well, it was just like, you know, this happens all the time, actually. You know, it's like people fall asleep at the wheel and they like run over... Well,
Speaker 4
isn't that with the Model Y, you kind of like just fall asleep. I would think the Model S is kind of like a downgrade. Right.
Speaker 2
No, modelists, I'm talking about early modelists. We're talking like 2013, before there was any autopilot. So, there was a guy that fell asleep at the wheel and he veered off the road and killed a cyclist. This happens all the time, you know, so,
and, I was like, man, if we just had autopilot, then that cyclist would still be alive. You know, so it's like we better hurry up with autopilot, get that working, you know.
Speaker 5
That's nuts.
Speaker 4
Do you feel, do you ever feel like, I mean, maybe or maybe not, but do you ever feel guilty when someone is like sleeping behind a wheel and then something bad happens like that?
Speaker 2
Well, I mean, now with, with autopilot, that's less likely and we also have like,
even if the autopilot's not on, like lane departure warning type, just, you know, beep at them, which will help wake them up.
and I think probably we'll just start adding the autopilot safety features. Like, we're pretty sure you don't want to crash or run someone over, you know. So, so we'll just You know, steer the car in the right direction,
Speaker 5
even
Speaker 2
if you don't ask us, on the assumption you do not want to crash.
Speaker 5
Is there ever going to be a time where you don't even have to touch the wheel and you can say, hey, I'm going to go from LA to San Diego, put in the GPS, don't need to do anything?
Speaker 2
I mean, you can do that right now with, with the full self-driving beta.
Speaker 5
Oh, you can?
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 5
And you don't have to touch the wheel, let them know you're awake or anything?
Speaker 2
Well, you touch the wheel just to confirm that you're paying attention, but,
if, if the car is capable of doing that, most likely without any intervention. That's
Speaker 5
insane. We need those ASAP.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Now, as the product matures and we get to very high levels of reliability, then,
you know, we'll get to the point where you, you won't need to touch the wheel or pay attention. You could basically just fall asleep and wake up at your destination.
Speaker 5
Wow.
Speaker 4
That's a mind fuck. That's
Speaker 5
insane, bro.
Speaker 4
Like, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5
How far are we from that? In
Speaker 2
fact, I mean, really, if, if, if, if you have your calendar synced with the, with the car, or it's just, if you don't say anything, the car should just default take you to work or take you home, you know? Like, if it knows or take you to the destination in your calendar, you just don't even say anything. Just get in and,
Speaker 4
just get in and get out. Yeah,
Speaker 2
that's it. Do
Speaker 4
you think we're
Speaker 3
headed into, like, a big recession?
Speaker 2
I don't think we're headed into a big recession.
I'd say, like, maybe a mild recession. but it could be a mild recession that lasts for a couple years, something like that, you know?
but the, the thing that's hard to predict are, like, you know, if, if there's, like,
You know, like, if there's like a war between China and Taiwan or something like that, that would send the world into a recession, you know, and, you know, that's always, that's a possibility.
you know, if there's some like big, big event, you know,
but like, and, and, and there, there is a challenge in China right now with,
the Taiwan China stuff is, is worrying. Taiwan
Speaker 1
scary. There,
Speaker 2
there is, independent of that, there is, there's, there's gonna, there's, there's kind of a, a looming,
bust in the, property market in, in China, where there's just been,
they've overbuilt, apartments and, and buildings in general. There's just too many, too, too many housing, too many primary housing units in China, which seems crazy, cause a lot of people in China, but That China has overbuilt primary housing units, and people have speculated on primary housing units, just like the US did in the lead up to 2008.
So in the US, lead up to 2008, the US was building primary housing units at twice the rate of household formation. So if you, you know, if, if, if you're making houses twice as fast as, as families are forming, then obviously something's got to give. And that's, we're doing that in the US for a while.
and so China's been doing that as well, but even more. So that, that'll be a, that's a correction that's gonna happen. But ultimately the Chinese economy will be gigantic, and is gigantic, and will recover from this, but there's gonna be probably a temporary, recession in China driven by, an over-allocation of resources towards, construction.
So,
Speaker 5
yeah. Based off of like the primary living stuff. How do you think, like, if we're talking about tiny houses, right, being sustainable, stuff like that, how do you persuade people who can afford to live in million-dollar houses to be like, yeah, you can live in this $50,000 box that might not care about the environment?
Speaker 2
I, I don't think everyone's going to live in a $50,000 box. you know, that's not, you know, that's definitely not. You don't think that's a goal
Speaker 5
at some point?
Speaker 2
No. I mean, if somebody wants to live in a tiny house just because they want to live in a tiny house, I guess I'm living in a tiny house in, in, you know, in South Texas, but
I don't, you know, it's fine. but it's not like it's necessary for people to live in a tiny house just to save the environment.
Speaker 5
Got it.
Speaker 2
Yeah. How tiny
Speaker 4
is your house? Like, how many bedrooms do you have in there?
Speaker 5
How many square feet is it? Is
Speaker 2
it a box to seat a? I don't know, it's like maybe eight or nine hundred square feet, something like that. What
Speaker 5
about AI stuff? You ever fear about a AI revolution?
Rebellion.
Speaker 2
Yeah, that is a risk. AI is advancing rapidly.
That'd be on my risk list.
Speaker 5
How, how soon do you think that is? Something you gotta worry about now or ten years?
Speaker 2
Probably less than ten years.
Speaker 5
Really?
Speaker 3
For what?
Speaker 5
Robots, AIs to attack the human species? Not
Speaker 2
necessarily to attack, but if you say like, when is it dangerous?
Speaker 5
When they become smarter than us, I guess.
Speaker 3
Ten years?
Speaker 2
I mean, computers are already way smarter than us in, in most ways.
Speaker 5
But when they know, hey, we can take over. Yeah, we haven't touched on
Speaker 3
AI yet.
Speaker 1
Shit.
Speaker 3
Let's go.
Speaker 1
I mean, those things could be hacked too.
Speaker 5
Well, that's, I think that's a big fear too, more than aliens. Because computers, like you said, are smarter than us. So when do they, when do they become smarter to be like, yeah, we can take over the world?
Speaker 2
Yeah, computers are already smarter than us in most respects.
Speaker 3
But, but, but do they have that sense of like power? Like it's, it's AI, like, like does power come from like being like human and like, like consciousness? Like does, is an AI necessarily gonna like seek that power?
To like destroy humans? Unless
Speaker 2
it's programmed to do so. I mean right now there's a tremendous amount of AI technology in advertising. Of
Speaker 3
course.
Speaker 2
So, so like I guess if the, you know there's, like a massive amount of AI is trying to get you to click something.
Speaker 5
Oh yeah. It feels like even our phones, like people are talking all the time, you're talking about a topic and then you get ads to buy something. Yeah,
Speaker 4
they listen.
Speaker 5
That alone I think is kind of scary. Well did you see
Speaker 3
what TikTok you give access to?
Speaker 5
No. You
Speaker 3
give them access to like everything.
Speaker 2
Really?
Speaker 4
Yeah. No one reads it.
Speaker 5
Are you on TikTok? Yeah.
Speaker 1
You're Twitter only. I always wondered why, no worries. Yeah, why is that?
Speaker 2
I mean I only need one means of like communicating to the people, you know. So.
Speaker 3
do you have a secret IG account, Instagram account that you- Yeah, I do have a
Speaker 2
secret Instagram. Of
Speaker 3
course.
Speaker 4
What was the guy, like zero followers and he just-
Speaker 2
Yeah, I know, it's just, I literally just like I can click on links and stuff. You
Speaker 3
just like troll people? Yeah, you troll
Speaker 5
people for sure.
Speaker 2
I don't know, I don't troll, actually I haven't trolled anyone. You got
Speaker 4
burner accounts, man?
Speaker 2
No, actually I haven't trolled anyone. Weirdly, I don't have- I feel like that's
Speaker 5
cap. You have to,
Speaker 2
had to have trolled
Speaker 5
somebody. Even John, like, yo, you're kind of a pushy guy, bro, like.
Speaker 2
No, you know, the crazy thing is I- I wasn't
Speaker 6
that pushy. I've
Speaker 2
never had any Twitter account except my own. Why don't you just launch
Speaker 3
an Instagram too? Yeah,
Speaker 5
you'll pop off.
Speaker 4
help us out, man.
Speaker 2
Well, no, I mean, I was in Instagram for a while, but he can
Speaker 5
get you verified.
Speaker 2
I mean, so the problem is like Instagram, man, it's just a thirst trap, you know?
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2
Instagram's next level thirst trap, so, On
Speaker 4
the women's side,
Speaker 2
right? Yeah, yeah, totally, but like.
Speaker 3
And if you're Elon, it's kind of tough.
Speaker 2
I found myself taking like a lot of selfies and shit, and I'm like, what the fuck, man?
Yeah,
Speaker 5
your DMs.
Speaker 2
Why am I doing this? And, then it was like, listen, I, this thing, and I'm like, oh, I'm trying to get more relaxed and do selfies. This is, I'm not going to. It's for the
Speaker 4
Instagram models, like they
Speaker 2
just. Yeah, but I, man. No, you should just make a
Speaker 1
meme page.
Speaker 5
Yeah. Like a
Speaker 1
fuck Jerry type, but edgier.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 1
Political. Your Instagram
Speaker 3
would be pretty dope. Bro, if you
Speaker 1
just had a normal page. I've
Speaker 4
only seen one photo of you, and that was you next to a computer. That is the only photo I've ever seen of you on Instagram.
Speaker 2
Okay.
Speaker 4
I've never seen any other ones. On
Speaker 3
Instagram?
Speaker 4
Yeah, like, I thought it was your actual account, but it wasn't, I guess. Oh, it was
Speaker 1
a fake. Oh, there's probably a lot of fakes.
Speaker 4
Yeah, of course, yeah.
Speaker 2
I mean, I, I, I find like, you know, there, there's just a, I can, whatever message I'm trying to get across, I can just throw on Twitter and people repost on Instagram and stuff, so.
Speaker 3
How about Snapchat?
Speaker 2
I don't use Snapchat. do you use Snapchat?
Speaker 3
I have it.
Speaker 2
Do you, do you use it?
Speaker 3
Yeah.
Speaker 2
Okay, cool. A
Speaker 3
little bit, like,
Speaker 2
like
Speaker 3
snap a few girls and then, I like, I actually like the, the stories they have, like the.
Speaker 1
Official one's pretty big though. Snapchat's pretty good for news actually too, actually. Yeah, we get like two million opens.
Speaker 5
Yeah, and then they're promoting
Speaker 3
our stuff, Snapchat is great too.
Speaker 4
Snap's just for like women, I guess. Snap's
Speaker 3
low-key like one of the best ways to promote stuff, I find too. Yeah,
Speaker 4
cause they, they don't unfollow you or anything, it's like, and you're there forever. And our, and
Speaker 1
our, and our official page, it's like only our diehards follow it, you know, like random, you don't follow a random person on Snapchat, like you gotta be a diehard. But you
Speaker 4
rarely see somebody unadd somebody on Snapchat, right? That's why I think where you say like. Very personal too,
Speaker 3
if you tell someone to do something, like go like this post or go do this, I find on Snapchat. It's very personal, so they do it.
Speaker 1
We have meetups, we have meetups in thousands and thousands. I mean, I think we did one in Fort Worth and it was like almost 5,000. We shut down Texas. Yeah, we shut down the helicopter,
Fort Worth PD said if we show up, we're going to get arrested for inciting a riot because there's too many people there.
Speaker 5
Wow. That was all promoted
Speaker 1
on Snapchat. Like we didn't even really post it anywhere else. We just posted on Snapchat and went viral from there.
Speaker 5
Can we promote a launch and have a meetup at a launch?
Speaker 2
Well, it's actually, it's easy to see launches from, from Florida because there's,
you can get, get pretty close. I mean, we have launches every week.
Speaker 5
Have you ever had a, have you ever had a,
Speaker 2
Elon,
Speaker 5
could I show Elon how to my
Speaker 3
tweets?
Speaker 1
Wait, but hold
Speaker 5
on, have you ever had a violation or any problems, like tweet taken down, anything like that?
Speaker 2
Actually, no, I guess that, I, I've printed some, some pretty borderline tweets, but.
Speaker 5
No problems?
Speaker 2
they've never actually, they've never taken a, an, a direct action against me, but I think they might have, like, shadow banned it or something.
Speaker 4
Twitter's personal, too. I mean, same thing as. Twitter probably
Speaker 5
loves having you on, though.
Speaker 4
I think
Speaker 1
Twitter needs. Elon,
Speaker 3
I tweeted this once.
Speaker 2
Okay. It got like, it
Speaker 3
got like a hundred thousand.
Speaker 4
What'd you say?
Speaker 2
Okay, cool. yeah.
Speaker 4
Wait, do you
Speaker 5
know, do you know, do you know what, hold on, do you know what your most viral tweet is of all time? Like your most viral, like, retweeted likes,
Speaker 2
what is
Speaker 5
it?
Speaker 2
it's, Next I'm gonna buy Coca-Cola and put the cocaine back. That
Speaker 4
break a million?
Speaker 1
That, you, oh
Speaker 5
wow. How many likes did that get?
Speaker 4
I bet it got a million, no?
Speaker 2
I think it got like four million or something.
Speaker 4
Oh my god.
Speaker 3
Did it used to have Coke, did it used to have Coke in it? You know
Speaker 2
Twitter has dingy with likes, so like getting four million likes is insane.
Speaker 3
Did it used to have Coke
Speaker 2
in it? It did. You know, cocaine used to, Coke, Coca-Cola used to have cocaine back in the day.
Speaker 5
What days was that?
Speaker 2
Yeah, I wasn't born.
Speaker 4
Do you
Speaker 5
have stuff in your drafts?
Speaker 2
That, that, that was the most popular tweet of all time.
Speaker 5
How long ago did you keep that? It was the most popular
Speaker 2
tweet ever made by a living person.
Speaker 5
It's amazing.
Speaker 3
Wow.
Speaker 5
Your tweet, the man on Twitter, bro. It's the
Speaker 2
second most popular one after Chadwick Boseman, but that was. Do you
Speaker 3
use AI to predict what tweets are gonna like slap?
Speaker 2
I don't think that one would go stratospheric. No, that shit was
Speaker 4
funny.
Speaker 5
That shit,
Speaker 1
I saw that shit. I was like, yeah, look, that may have been what I hit you up for. Like, that was what triggered for me to
Speaker 4
call you
Speaker 1
for this. And
Speaker 2
then I added Coca-Cola and said, listen, like, listen to the people, you know.
Speaker 5
Does Coca-Cola?
Speaker 4
Such a
Speaker 2
troll.
Speaker 5
Does Coca-Cola reach out to you?
Speaker 2
The people are saying put the cocaine back in. Philly, they want it, so come
Speaker 5
on. Did they reach out to you about that?
Speaker 2
Yeah,
Speaker 5
do
Speaker 3
you just tweet? Do you just tweet whenever? Like, do you just tweet whenever? Like, whenever you feel like it?
Speaker 2
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 5
That's so savage. You're the only guy that has the balls in your position to do that.
Speaker 4
Everybody
Speaker 5
else, like, has a lawyer, gets approval.
Speaker 1
Do you
Speaker 4
have anything in
Speaker 3
your draft that we could just...
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, what's in the draft?
Speaker 2
Exactly, what's in the draft folder? I mean, a good friend of mine just did say, like, listen, if there's something that maybe is not a wise tweet, why don't you save it in the draft folder and see if you want to send it the next morning? And I'm like, okay, I'm not saying what they are, but there are a few in the draft that I, that I, the next morning I was like, okay, probably I shouldn't say that.
so, but it was pretty insane for me to challenge Putin to, you know, one-on-one combat. how, how viral did that go? It went pretty viral. And, and then it even got in like Russian Telegram and stuff, and then I got.
Speaker 3
Would you ever take on Kim Jong-un? I mean,
Speaker 2
if he wants.
Speaker 5
I saw you,
Speaker 2
What about a friendly
Speaker 4
conversation? I feel like Kim
Speaker 3
Jong-un would be down.
Speaker 2
I mean, you know, if, if he, if he wants.
Speaker 3
Putin's not really about it. I feel like he just chose. No, but he had
Speaker 5
some people. I remember he tweeted like, yo, if I disappear in the middle of the night, you know where I went. And then I think your mom got involved, right?
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean. She
Speaker 5
said that's not funny.
Speaker 2
She didn't say that's not funny. Yeah, I mean, like, I don't have an assassination squad, you know.
Speaker 5
Yeah, but you gotta protect yourself,
Speaker 2
though. That's the
Speaker 5
problem, though. Do you ever, you don't ever feel scared if you go at Russia or Kim Jong-un?
Speaker 2
No, I did think, like, man, this, this could be a really, this, this could really backfire and result in me dying. Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1
You worry about that?
Speaker 2
You worry
Speaker 1
about, like, some of these people not understanding your humor?
And taking it a little too serious? Britain
Speaker 2
doesn't have a great sense of humor. Who?
Speaker 5
I think Russia
Speaker 4
might,
Speaker 2
relax. How do
Speaker 5
we set this?
Speaker 2
He doesn't crack jokes that often, but I mean, maybe he does. I mean, behind the
Speaker 3
scenes he does, for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1
he's got a secret Telegram account.
Speaker 2
Maybe he's got a, yeah, maybe he's like, you know, he might be pretty funny.
so, no, that was a little risky, you know?
so, yeah, I mean. Probably tweeting can be hazardous to your health.
Speaker 5
It sounds like you, you have no fear, you don't fear anybody.
Speaker 2
I don't have a death wish.
Speaker 5
Right.
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, everybody's gonna die. It's just a question of when. So,
Speaker 5
how do we create something to keep us alive longer? I'm not worried
Speaker 2
about dying.
Speaker 5
Can we create something to keep us alive longer or no? Have you looked into that?
Speaker 2
Longevity and stuff?
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 2
I don't know if we should have longevity, cause the people who, who will get the longevity capability, first are probably people you wouldn't want to live that long.
Speaker 5
Rich people, right?
Speaker 2
How long would you want, you know, I don't know, some, some, there's a, there's like, I think a lot of people in power who you wouldn't want them to have some super longevity situation, cause then they might be out of power.
Speaker 3
You think that's gonna be possible though, with like modern medicine and just everything we're doing?
Speaker 2
Some amount of longevity I think is probably, it's certainly possible. If you say it's possible, sure.
Speaker 5
you'd think that'd be a focus for something. I think I could
Speaker 2
probably solve, solve longevity to some degree, but I don't want to.
Speaker 5
What if somebody, I guess it doesn't
Speaker 1
Hard for you to know, yeah. If someone approached you and said, "Hey, I need to live 150 years," you're saying no way? I
Speaker 2
think we'll definitely do that. Like, people will definitely be able, someone's going to do that.
Speaker 1
No, but I mean, if it takes you 10, 15 years to develop, at least living like 10, whatever.
Speaker 3
10 extra years.
Speaker 1
Yeah. If the right person came to you.
Speaker 4
Yeah, the problem is like, you know, when people get old, they don't change their minds. They just die. So, if you want to have progress in society, you got to make sure that, you know, people need to die, because they don't, they get old, they don't change their mind.
Speaker 1
Absolutely.
Speaker 4
So, if, if, if all people just live for a long, super long time, I think society would get
Speaker 1
lazy, right?
Speaker 4
Very stale, you know, very ossified.
Speaker 2
That's pretty crazy. I mean, if you
Speaker 1
live forever, what the fuck, you don't care about tomorrow.
Speaker 3
Yeah, in a way. Also,
Speaker 4
yeah, older people are
Speaker 2
stuck in their ways, right? Like, they've lived their whole life, they're not like...
Speaker 4
Old people are stuck in their ways and they don't change their mind, they just die.
Speaker 3
Some people are just ready to die.
Speaker 4
Yeah, when, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3
good. Yeah. They've lived enough life, I
Speaker 4
think you'd sort of, you're ready to die.
Speaker 2
Would Neuralink be able to save people's memories? Like, could you technically download memories and put it in another person? Yeah,
Speaker 4
sufficiently advanced Neuralink would be able to save, save state.
now you wouldn't be exactly the same person, but you're also not exactly the same person when you wake up every morning. You're a little different from when you went to sleep.
So, a sufficiently advanced Neuralink would, would enable you to record and... Technically
Speaker 2
be like a clone in a different body, so to say.
Speaker 4
Yeah, sufficiently advanced Neuralink, you could save, save game, basically.
Speaker 2
You think they've, you think they've cloned humans?
Speaker 4
I don't know, I'm not aware of any cloning of humans that has actually taken place, but if you say, is it possible to clone humans?
Speaker 2
Of, of
Speaker 4
course.
Speaker 2
Because they've admitted to cloning sheep, right?
Speaker 4
Well, you can, get your dog cloned right now.
Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly. Like literally,
Speaker 4
it's a dog cloning service. So
Speaker 1
there's gotta be
Speaker 2
clones on the planet. There's even
Speaker 4
advertising for it, like if you, if you search clone my dog. You can clone your dog?
Speaker 2
That's like, that's like,
Speaker 4
and your cat. That's
Speaker 2
kind of weird.
Speaker 1
That's
Speaker 2
like
Speaker 4
common to
Speaker 3
clone your dog.
Speaker 2
Sherman has a cloned dog, doesn't he?
Speaker 4
What? Sherman does? I,
Speaker 2
I don't want to quote it, but. You got cat 10
Speaker 4
clones, and they'd be like your dog times 10. Sherman
Speaker 2
has like the most like dope, whatever they're called.
Speaker 1
I don't know if I like that.
Speaker 2
Not pit bulls, but,
Speaker 3
I think they're
Speaker 2
cloned.
Speaker 4
Anyway, you can literally, not only are they cloned, they're, they're, they're. The top three links are gonna be advertising for cloning your dog, dog, or cat.
Speaker 3
That
Speaker 2
means there has to be, there's a clone on the planet. Well,
Speaker 1
how much does that cost to clone a dog, you
Speaker 3
know? Is it expensive?
Speaker 1
It's gotta be expensive, right? I think
Speaker 4
it's like 50 grand.
Speaker 1
50 grand? To clone a dog? That's not even that crazy, man. People can afford that. There's people out there that can afford that.
Speaker 3
50
Speaker 1
grand?
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah. Renee,
Speaker 3
what do you
Speaker 4
think? I mean, as
Speaker 1
long as you don't have to train them, it might be better.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 1
I mean, if they're already trained to go outside, then shit, clone might be the option.
Speaker 4
Well, you can literally, I think there's a dog cloning service here in Austin.
Speaker 1
Oh my god.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 1
What is going on?
Speaker 2
That's crazy. That's
Speaker 3
crazy.
Speaker 4
And I think it's just, if you can clone a dog, you can clone a human.
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Insanely low difficulty.
Speaker 5
Wow, that's scary cloning a human.
Speaker 3
I mean,
Speaker 2
someone's tested it somewhere. I bet, I bet my whole bank account on it. I feel
Speaker 5
like there's a lot of things that's happened. Clone Bradley
Speaker 3
Martin?
Speaker 1
I mean, yeah, is this, is this really you or what?
Speaker 4
Feels like me. Like, one of the things I was thinking about for like Neuralink, that's kind of a, a real mind trip is, like, let's say Neuralink, enables a full sort of recording of memories and, like, and all of your feelings and everything.
Speaker 2
Feelings? That's the
Speaker 1
biggest thing right there.
Speaker 4
Yeah, like everything.
Speaker 1
Does, does the, but aren't
Speaker 2
feelings like chemical, but I guess it's your brain emitting it, right?
Speaker 4
Like, here's the crazy thing, everything you've ever felt, all your, every, it's all, it's all electrical signals.
Speaker 2
Right.
Speaker 1
Whoa. It's all
Speaker 4
coming in, it's all neuron inspiring, so.
Speaker 2
Holy shit. That's insane. So the,
Speaker 1
the clones will have feelings and.
Speaker 4
You could record, record everything.
Speaker 1
Oh my god, that's scary. That's when the AIs take over, though.
Speaker 4
Yeah, but I'm saying like, so,
Speaker 2
like, like, yeah,
Speaker 1
that's what you, you
Speaker 4
could actually even recreate like a video game that's like the most real video, like video game where every sense that you feel is, you're in the game. Like, so it's not like this, like this could be a Neuralink video game.
Speaker 1
But so does that mean if you die in the video game, you die in real life type thing?
Speaker 4
Not necessarily.
Speaker 1
But does your mind convince you of that?
Speaker 4
Well,
Speaker 2
you could do anything.
Speaker 4
You can make the brain believe anything. Like, you have to say, what, what is death?
Speaker 1
Death
Speaker 4
is the loss of information. So like, if, if you,
let's, let's say like, like, like, if, if you got disintegrated, but, but then got, you know, reintegrated immediately with no pain or anything, did you die? Well, not, not really, cause you're, you're still continuing. So, like, you know, or in a video game, you do die, you die a lot in the video games, but, but you then you're Come back to a saved game state.
Speaker 3
Yeah.
Speaker 4
And now, so, so you say like, what is death? What does, what does death actually mean? It's the loss of the information associated with that individual. If you no longer have loss of information associated with that individual, death has no meaning.
I mean, it could hurt, I suppose.
Speaker 3
GTA 5.
Speaker 1
This is crazy. Do you, do you, do you play video games?
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 1
What do you game?
Speaker 4
I just played Elden Ring, which is really great.
Speaker 1
Elden Ring?
Speaker 4
Elden Ring.
Speaker 1
I've never even heard of that. Have you guys? Elden
Speaker 4
Ring is amazing.
Speaker 1
What, what, what, console?
Speaker 4
I play PC.
Speaker 1
Really? What's the game? I'm sorry, I haven't heard of it.
Speaker 4
Elden Ring is, it's a great game. it's probably game of the year. I'm
Speaker 1
gonna get roasted by the gaming community if I screwed.
Speaker 4
It's a, it's a From, it's a From Software. anyway,
Speaker 1
It's like a shooter or?
Speaker 4
It's like a fantasy game. it's an awesome game. I highly recommend playing Elden Ring.
Speaker 1
Well, now I'm going to play it, I promise you.
Speaker 4
It's great, it's sick. Elden Ring has the most beautiful art I've ever seen.
Speaker 1
Super advanced?
Speaker 4
It's just beautiful art. Did you, did you grow up playing? Artistically amazing.
Speaker 1
Did you grow up playing like video games?
Speaker 4
Yeah, I grew up playing very primitive video games. cause I'm like 51, so that's no spring chicken.
Speaker 1
So like Super Smash, Nintendo, all that? Super
Speaker 4
Smash, I, I, I played it, I mean, when I was.
Speaker 2
That's primitive to us, but probably not super primitive to. Yeah,
Speaker 4
no, I used
Speaker 1
to play, you know, I was alive
Speaker 4
before there was even Pong.
Speaker 1
Sure.
Speaker 4
I had, I had a console, a console before Atari, you know, the, before the original Atari even.
Speaker 1
Wow.
Speaker 4
I only had four games.
Speaker 1
Do you ever think about.
Speaker 4
You can even add new games, you can only play four games.
so. Do you ever
Speaker 1
think about creating your own console?
Speaker 4
No.
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Speaker 4
No, no need for that. What about sports? The consoles are all converted. It doesn't benefit the world,
Speaker 1
right?
Speaker 4
Well, the consoles at this point are all basically PCs.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 4
so. There's
Speaker 2
just no challenge there, really?
Speaker 4
I'm not sure there's value to be added by another console.
so, but the games I play on the PC, I've only played a few games on the console. but I'll play a lot of games on the PC.
Speaker 1
Is the game that you were talking about multiplayer? Like, do you play with a headset? Sort
Speaker 4
of multiplayer.
Speaker 1
So have you ever played with, like, random people?
Speaker 4
Yeah, I mean, I've played Overwatch, and I...
Speaker 1
Do you talk in the mic and let it, like... No.
Speaker 4
Okay. That'd be like... No. That'd
Speaker 3
be wild. I
Speaker 1
feel like you'd have some good chirps, though.
Speaker 4
Yeah. I've played the, I've played the entire evolution of video games, from, like I said, early, like Pong, Space Invaders stuff, Pac-Man, all the way through to,
you know, super high-resolution multiplayer online games.
at one point I was quite competitive at Quake,
and, played what I think was maybe the first paid esports thing in the US. Was it a Quake tournament? And,
my team came second. We would have come first, except that I was the second best guy on the team, and the best guy, his, his computer glitched halfway through the game.
Speaker 1
How hard did you chew out your team after you lost, or did you?
Speaker 4
We, we got money and stuff, like sent us a check, yeah. Although, yeah, I mean, it wasn't a big check, but it was still, it
Speaker 1
was still a massive
Speaker 4
actual money check for playing video games. It's like a
Speaker 1
SpaceX team?
Speaker 4
No, it was my first company I was up to.
Speaker 1
Oh, nice.
Speaker 4
A very early internet company. but I play, I play a lot of games, basically.
Speaker 1
Can you imagine if Elon goes GTA streaming? I mean, you'd break the internet in multiple ways, but that'd be the most insane thing. What are you
Speaker 4
playing? GTA? I'm really,
Speaker 1
I'm really embarrassed to admit this. I play, Fortnite.
Speaker 3
Okay. 2K is dope too.
Speaker 1
I'll play 2K. 2K 20,
Speaker 3
22. 2K meta.
Speaker 2
You still play
Speaker 1
Fortnite? I know, it's really bad, but Fortnite's like the most advanced game. It was the first like,
Speaker 2
it was huge.
Speaker 3
It was so big and I'm just,
Speaker 1
they took out the little build. You ever play Fortnite or no?
Speaker 4
no. I've seen videos of it.
Speaker 1
It's so fun, man.
Speaker 2
Time to grow up, you know?
Speaker 4
Yeah. What about chess? I played chess when I was a kid. I was on the school chess team. but I, I, I find chess is like, it's a simple game, frankly, in my opinion. There's a strategy game called Polytopia, which you can get on your phone, which I think is probably the best strategy game.
Polytopia.
Speaker 3
Polytopia,
Speaker 4
yeah. You think chess is simple? Yeah. Well, I mean,
Speaker 3
okay, but
Speaker 2
Connecticut.
Speaker 4
Sorry?
Speaker 1
Oh, Connect Four is a real game. Connect Four
Speaker 4
is simple, too.
Speaker 3
Very simple.
Speaker 4
Very simple. Chess
Speaker 1
is cool.
Speaker 4
No, no, chess, chess, I mean, you only have 64 squares, there's no fog of war, there's no tech tree, you know. So, start adding fog, fog of war, tech tree, have like 400 squares, you know, a very wide range of units where you can build any unit, you know, wide range. Then the degrees of freedom are just so much greater than chess. So, you're
Speaker 3
raw as fuck as chess, right?
Speaker 1
Well, are you undefeated in chess is the real question.
Speaker 4
I, I was pretty good at chess as a kid.
Speaker 1
Have you been beat?
Speaker 4
Yeah, I did, I still like to win every game.
but, you know, I, I guess when I, I, I came to the conclusion that, like, computers are going to get better than humans.
Speaker 1
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 4
by a lot.
Speaker 1
I, yeah,
Speaker 4
I mean, I just, I didn't want to spend, like, a massive amount of effort just, you know, understanding, you know, a zillion sort of, you know, Knight bishop combinations for sure, two pawns and game bullshit.
Speaker 1
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 4
I'm,
Speaker 1
I'm curious now. I am curious now, like,
Speaker 3
do you, yeah, it's
Speaker 4
great. Holdopia is, is great.
Speaker 1
Do you,
Speaker 3
I need a new addiction.
Speaker 1
Do you like, yeah,
Speaker 4
it's awesome.
Speaker 1
I'm just curious, do you gamble at all? Like, do you play poker, cards, nothing like that?
Speaker 4
Nope. I never got into it. I've taken up risks in, other matters.
but no, I, I do like, like video games should be like my main sort of thing to do
Speaker 1
to
Speaker 4
quiet my mind, you know? stop the demons in my mind from yelling at me.
Speaker 2
Are you religious at all?
Speaker 4
I'm not, I'm, I would say I generally agree with the teachings of Christianity, but I'm not religious. Like, I agree with, like, trying to have a drink and, like, you know. Like, like Tony Ochi can love the neighbor as thyself and that kind of thing. I think those are good principles. Yeah,
Speaker 2
yeah,
Speaker 4
I think good principles. But do you
Speaker 2
believe in like a god or like a higher power?
Speaker 4
Well, something created the universe or the universe is, you know, here. How did it come to be? you could say whatever caused the universe to come to be is god or, you know, gods, depending on your view. I don't know. I think as a philosophy that I, a philosophy that I think makes sense is to go out there and is to expand consciousness so that we're better under, better able to answer the questions of like, what is the meaning of life? What is the nature of the universe?
What are even the right questions to ask? And if we can expand Consciousness, more humans, and more digital intelligence, then our opportunity to understand the meaning of life is, is that much greater. And so I would call, like I say, like I have the philosophy of curiosity to understand the nature of reality.
Speaker 3
So you've never practiced any religions?
Speaker 4
no, I was, you know, I was sent to, weirdly, a Hebrew preschool. I'm not Jewish, but my dad sent me there, because it was like nearby, and I guess his partners in his engineering firm, they sent their kids there. So,
so I was at a Hebrew preschool, and then, Anglican Sunday school, and so it was like Hava Nagila one day and Jesus is Elo the next, you know.
and, you know, so, but, but I, I would say that I, you know, was, I've never been particularly religious.
Speaker 1
Do you, do you have an answer for what the meaning of life is? What your meaning of life is?
Speaker 4
Well, I think the, the, the, currently the thing to do is to expand the, expand humanity and, and consciousness to the point where we are able to answer that question. I don't think we can answer that question yet, or we can't answer, we can't answer what's the meaning of life well, yet.
Speaker 2
I find that so interesting how it's like, you know, we're technically like the most intelligent species on the planet, so to say, but we can't even, no one on this planet can explain, like, or provide evidence of, like, our existence or how we were created. I find that so, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3
Like, no one on this planet can say
Speaker 2
how were we created. That's why I feel like there has to be some sort of higher power, you know? Like, we're not smart enough to even explain our own existence.
Speaker 4
Well, we, we can say step by step based on the archaeological evidence, the fossil record, and what we know of physics, how we came to be at this point.
so, but that doesn't explain how the universe came to exist in the first place.
Speaker 2
There had to be like something at some point, like we can't even
Speaker 4
grasp
Speaker 2
that, right?
Speaker 4
Or is there some,
Speaker 1
some higher
Speaker 4
dimension on which thought and emotion exist? I don't know.
like how do molecules have consciousness and feelings?
so, but, but, you know, at least like the, the, the, the chain of events from a physics standpoint from the, the beginning of the universe to now are quite well understood. Really? Yeah. But somehow we're in from a bunch of hydrogen gas to,
complex molecules and then an assemblage of complex molecules like ourselves that can feel and talk and, and think. So
I mean, just, if you leave hydrogen out long enough, it, it starts talking to itself, basically. That's what happened here.
so, so, where along that path from a bunch of hydrogen molecules to
humans, where, where did consciousness start?
So maybe, maybe everything's conscious. and where, where are pattern of molecules, like the actual atoms in our body change? You know, so, your, the cells in your body, I mean, some cells are stick around for a long time, but most of the cells in your body are regenerated. So,
I think your skin regenerates every seven years or something like that. So, so, so they're not even the same molecules. They, you know, from one year to the next, the molecules in your body have changed. It's the pattern that stays relatively consistent. The pa- pattern of molecules. To a pattern of molecules that can talk and think and feel.
Anyway, this is why I think we should expand, you know, we should have more kids and, and grow, and expand consciousness and both, and probably have digital consciousness too. What do
Speaker 2
you mean by expand consciousness?
Speaker 3
For more people to think. Yeah, if
Speaker 4
more people, more people, more thinking equals more consciousness. You know, like total consciousness is like how many people there are times average amount of consciousness per person, per person, that's like the total collective consciousness.
Speaker 3
It's more like a collective group of like, okay, now there's like this many people, so I, this many brains.
Speaker 4
Yeah, exactly. Like more, more, more brains is more,
Speaker 3
more
Speaker 4
consciousness. Yeah.
Speaker 1
Does it ever worry you that the younger generations like start to focus more on social media, right? So they're not going to be as educated on stuff like space, you know. Things to keep the human civilization going. Because it seems like the youth now, like education's not as important as it used to be.
Speaker 4
I don't know. I mean, I'm not like super in touch with the youth of today because,
I don't know, I'm not a youth. so, I mean, I guess I get some exposure to
kids through my kids, but it's limited. and then even if I say like, there's probably going to be a pretty big difference between, say, my, my twins who are 18 and, you know,
like little X who's two, there'll be a generational difference between them.
Speaker 1
Sure.
Speaker 4
Oh,
Speaker 1
yeah.
Speaker 4
There's, there's, there's definitely these, these big generational differences. Like, you really see it if you like watch some, some old movies, like you watch a movie from like the sixties or movies from the seventies, movies from the eighties. You can see all these generations. Ten years is a
Speaker 2
lot, yeah.
Speaker 4
Yeah, every decade, like watch a movie for every decade and it's like, it's like, damn, that generation difference is significant, you know? So.
Speaker 1
You have a favorite movie ever?
Speaker 4
I suppose it would probably be like the original Star Wars. But that's, part of it is like that's the first movie I ever saw in a theater.
Speaker 1
Oh, really? Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 4
I think I saw it at six years old, something like that.
Speaker 1
Whoa.
Speaker 4
So it really made an impression. Maybe that's why I like Roger. That's where it all started,
Speaker 1
right? Yeah,
Speaker 4
maybe that's why I like space stuff.
Speaker 3
It's interesting. It's got to be that.
Speaker 4
It's probably had an effect. Yeah,
Speaker 3
yeah.
Speaker 4
I remember it being like super wild. Oh, first of all, I never, like I said, never been in a movie theater before. And, or at least not that I can remember. And, and, so imagine seeing like the first movie that you ever saw in the theater was Star Wars. That'd be like,
Speaker 1
it's kind of crazy. It's
Speaker 4
kind of crazy.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 1
Six years old, do you remember it like that?
Speaker 4
Yeah. I can remember, I can, I can visualize coming out of the theater. That is insane.
Speaker 1
I was like that with
Speaker 5
Karate Kid.
Speaker 1
Memory is one of the biggest things in intelligence.
Speaker 5
That was my first one. You
Speaker 1
know what I mean? Did
Speaker 4
you see the, the, the, the series?
Speaker 5
All three?
Speaker 4
The series that they made on. Oh,
Speaker 5
yeah.
Speaker 3
I saw
Speaker 5
the first season.
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah, the first season.
Speaker 1
Of what?
Speaker 5
Cobra Kai.
Speaker 4
Yeah, Cobra Kai is, that's a deep cut. Yeah. You
Speaker 1
remember Cobra Kai?
Speaker 4
Cobra Kai is, it was, I, I watched the first, I think, couple, two seasons. I mean, it is a twist of knife.
Speaker 3
Yeah, it is. It is. I didn't like it. I mean, no, it was great. The show was sick, but to me.
Speaker 4
Yeah,
Speaker 3
yeah, exactly. Well, I mean, all of a sudden you don't like Daniel after loving the guy for like 30 years, you know, 30 plus years, yeah.
Speaker 1
Yeah, well, Daniel's an OG. Yeah,
Speaker 3
he loved the guy. Yeah, but you got to see it. I'm not,
Speaker 4
you know,
Speaker 3
they make you not like him.
Speaker 4
Especially the original actors too.
Speaker 1
yeah, which is also crazy. I've always thought too, something, with people I've known, I think memory is the biggest piece for intelligence. So if you have a good, really good memory, you should be smarter than the average.
Speaker 4
Sure, memory, memory's a big deal.
Speaker 1
Because if you can remember walking out of the theater at six, I mean.
Speaker 4
I can't remember everything at, at six, but I, you know, certain things.
I mean, I, like sometimes you wonder, like, is it a real memory or a created memory?
like, so, like, one of the, one of the things that I remember that was like kind of traumatic when I was a little kid was, and I must have been like four years old or something. and I was, there was a, like a costume party, like Halloween or something, like at the Hebrew preschool that I was at. And I was being, like my parents were out of town and my grandmother was taking care of me and she's like not super sensitive to like, you know, religious stuff and, or, or anyway, she dressed me up as frigging Santa Claus,
Speaker 1
for a,
Speaker 4
for a costume party at a Hebrew preschool. Oh
Speaker 1
my god, that's amazing.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 1
Whoa. And, how did Rabbi respond to that?
Speaker 4
Not well.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 4
so,
Speaker 3
not well. Not well. I went
Speaker 1
to, I went to Hebrew school too, just to let you know.
Speaker 4
I got pulled, I got pulled out of school and I was, I remember sitting there for like, and not knowing what the heck was going on and like,
because they thought it was like, like some kind of deliberate insult, you know. Yeah. So I was not like, you know, it was just like, oh, I don't know, it's random costume choice, you know.
and so, so then I'm like, I don't know what to do, why I'm being punished. and, so then I was like, is that a real thing that happened or did I just think that happened? And then my mom actually found a photo of it.
Speaker 1
Really?
Speaker 4
Yeah. How many, how
Speaker 1
many, they pull you back and say, hey, five, four, three, two, one, and,
Speaker 4
and, and I just had to sit, sit in the, the, you know, principal's office or whatever, for a couple of hours, which is a long time if you're a kid, and, wait for my grandmother to come pick me up.
Speaker 1
Wow. I
Speaker 4
got, I got thrown out of school that day, and I was like, just kind of traumatic, and I remember that. I remember what that, I remember like what that sort of office looked like, where I was just sitting there for a couple of hours being confused about why I'm being thrown out of school.
Speaker 1
How old were you then?
Speaker 4
I think I must have been like four, four, maybe five.
Speaker 1
Dude, how can you remember this stuff? You think if you read a...
Speaker 4
I guess that's, that's what I was saying. What is it? I was actually, while I wasn't sure, is this even real? And then my, and then my mom turns out she had a picture.
Speaker 1
How are like memories
Speaker 2
stored in the brain? It's
Speaker 4
like
Speaker 2
crazy how we can just like recall like things from, I don't, how does sometimes, you know? Sometimes
Speaker 3
it's butchered, I feel like.
Speaker 4
Yeah, like sometimes when you, when you try to recall a memory, you kind of like affect that memory as well.
Speaker 3
It's kind of like what you want.
Speaker 4
Yeah,
Speaker 3
yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2
Really?
Speaker 4
Yeah. Like they've done these tests where like they ask people to remember things and then,
like it'll be sometimes like, it'll be affected even by like your mood at, when you're remembering the, the memory, like yeah, what's your current state of mind and like that memory, you could recall that, that memory will be like affected by your current state of mind. So,
you know, sometimes you have to like wonder, was that real or not? I mean,
you know, like there's a, like it's like a, like an old saying with a, old police, a police saying, like it's like whenever there's a crime, there's like, there's always like three stories, like the victim, the perpetrator, and the truth. Of course. So it's like, you know, or, or, you know the movie like Rashomon, if you've heard of Rashomon, where there's like the same thing happens for, and, and you see four different people's perspective, and it's all totally different.
So, That
Speaker 1
could be multiple things though, right?
Speaker 4
Yeah, just say like, like people's experience of an event,
is, it's not always accurate.
Speaker 1
Do you think that if you, if you read a page of a book, you could recite the page?
Speaker 4
I could, I could train to do that.
Speaker 1
Yeah, eventually, like you read one page and you could recite it back just without reading it.
Speaker 4
Yes, there are ways to do this, there are memory tricks that can be used to do that. so, but I wouldn't say that that's a good use of brain power.
Speaker 1
No.
Speaker 4
So,
Speaker 1
what's the biggest thing you think to teach the brain then? If, if I want to teach my brain something, what's the most valuable thing I could do?
Speaker 4
Okay, well, here's something that could be helpful to people who, who are,
who watch this. The, the important thing for, in order to remember something, you must assign meaning to it. Or say why.
Speaker 1
Sure.
Speaker 4
Just say like why is relevant. And if you can say why something is relevant, you probably will remember it. But, cause your, your, your brain is basically constantly trying to forget everything as much as possible. Because it's, it's, it's hard, it's hard to store memories.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 4
So it's, it's try, it's just naturally. Things you care
Speaker 3
about.
Speaker 4
Yeah, it's like, like the most of the stuff that we see and hear is like not worth remembering. so in order for your brain to remember something, you have to establish relevance. You have to say why.
Speaker 3
It's got to be in your head multiple. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4
like either why or a strong emotional event,
like a strong involuntary emotional event, or you could like, I guess, try to generate an emotion.
and then the, then the third way would be absurdity. So if you want to remember an event,
try to imagine that event associated with something completely absurd. It's like, yes.
Speaker 3
Like, so
Speaker 4
like, let's say you want to picture this event in this room, just like imagine, a dancing elephant dressed in a tutu,
that's just dancing around the room. And then visualize that and you will remember this.
Speaker 3
Wow,
Speaker 1
but how do you know that?
Speaker 4
It's a memory trick. It's a absurdity. So your, your, your, your brain remembers things that are different,
Speaker 1
okay?
Speaker 4
and, and different can mean like there's a strong emotional association or it's, it's absurd.
Speaker 1
Sure. It's
Speaker 4
unusual. but if, if something is not unusual, if it's, if it's just par for the course, there's nothing, then why, why should your brain bother remembering that? Well, does, does it have to
Speaker 3
have some sort of importance, I mean, to you? I mean, like, but like elephants, like I, I don't give a shit, like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm just saying. You don't care about the
Speaker 4
dancing elephant in the tutu that's jumping around this room?
Speaker 3
No, I remember it.
Speaker 4
But I think
Speaker 3
what you, you know,
Speaker 4
I think what...
Speaker 5
Great way to do it. Yeah, I think that's kind of like why we remember the first time we went to a movie, but Probably don't remember what I had for breakfast on Sunday, you know, three days ago or two days ago. Yeah.
Speaker 4
Yeah. It, it just, anything that's like, that's like, your, your brain's just like trying to save neurons. It's like trying to save brain cells here. So,
it's just, it's, your brain's really trying to forget as much as possible. So you have to give it a reason to not forget. And that, and that reason has to be that it is different from a normal day or a normal event. and that, but that difference can be real or you can imagine it. so there was a trick that I, that I did,
at, for quite a while when I was, was a kid. I just read a book on, on memory tricks basically. And, using these, these memory tricks, you can memorize like, the position of all the cards in a deck. So you could say,
have you seen this before?
Speaker 3
No, no, I was just wondering why he would flush a toilet.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 3
Don't want to ruin it.
Speaker 4
Royal flush.
Speaker 3
Don't, don't even piss on the, you know, the water and stuff, because you go on the side.
Speaker 4
No, you
Speaker 3
just say loud ass piss and
Speaker 2
you're flushed.
Speaker 1
Where we at? Memory stuff? The reason that I said that though is because like if I went through school for high school, college, graduated from college, but everything that you do is a test of your memory. If you're going to go take a test, and see how well can you memorize this stuff.
Speaker 4
well not every, like if you say like math stuff, well, there's partly memory, but also compute, yeah. but I suppose like history, geography or something like that would be mostly, memory. creative writing, not memory exactly, but,
Speaker 1
I went to school with, Alexandra C. Wilder.
Speaker 4
Okay.
Speaker 1
Yeah. With who? Her stepsister.
Speaker 4
Oh, really?
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4
yeah. She's
Speaker 1
my age, actually. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4
Whoa, small world.
Speaker 1
Yeah. I spent a lot more time in the library. She was probably out partying, but, yeah.
Speaker 4
She's my half-sister, but yeah.
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, half-sister, so.
Speaker 4
yeah, she lives in Austin now.
Speaker 1
She what?
Speaker 4
She lives in Austin.
Speaker 1
Oh, yeah, yeah, I know, I know, she's married.
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah, has a kid and everything.
Speaker 1
Oh, wow.
Speaker 4
Do you
Speaker 1
see her often, or?
Speaker 4
not, not that, I mean, at family events and stuff.
Speaker 1
Nice. She was very sweet the whole time. Yeah.
Speaker 3
Elon, how would you describe yourself?
Speaker 4
I don't know.
Speaker 3
I don't
Speaker 4
know. what do you think of yourself? Technologist.
Speaker 3
besides, you know, besides what you, I
Speaker 4
do technology.
Speaker 3
Yeah, but like, besides what you've done with, you know, all you've done, I mean, as a person, as, as like Elon Musk, as a person, how would you describe yourself?
Speaker 4
I suppose I just, I just say I'm a, a technologist who's curious about the future. and generally,
I'm trying to take the actions that most likely lead to a better future for civilization. I think that's like, frankly, the only like logical thing to do, because like, if you don't take the, you know, there's no, there's no point in having like a good future without civilization, you know. There's no, if, if civilization crumbles, nobody's going to have a good future.
So, I don't know. so I think we want to take the set of actions that, maximize the probability the future is going to be good, and interesting, and that we understand more about the nature of reality and the universe.
More than anything else, I'm curious.
Speaker 1
Curious about what?
Speaker 4
That, like they said, the nature of the universe.
Speaker 1
Why do you think you... Or
Speaker 4
even what questions to ask.
Speaker 1
Why do you think you made this your goal, though?
Speaker 4
Like when, I guess when I was kind of growing up, I did have this like existential crisis where I was like, what's the meaning of life? Is this all pointless? Is there any point in existing at all?
and, and I, like I read the various religious texts and, I read a bunch of the philosophers and I just couldn't really seem to find any, any good answers. And then I read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which is, really a book on philosophy, but it's disguised as a book on humor. And, and the point Douglas Adams was making is that the, that the purpose of life is to,
Is, is to, is to learn, learn more, to ultimately,
know what questions, to, to learn what questions to ask about the answer that is the universe.
he was, he was, he was sort of making that, like, that's the actual point, is, is, is to figure out the point. And so,
at least that was my interpretation. And, and so therefore we should take the set of actions that are likely to expand consciousness and our understanding of the universe so that we can know what the meaning of life is or, or why we're here and how the universe came to be.
And that was kind of the, what answered my existential crisis. I think, I think that's a good, that's a good
philosophy, basically.
Speaker 1
Now, it's a philosophy that may, I think, may, for a lot of people may be uncomfortable because it's like, it's a philosophy.
Speaker 2
I, I,
Speaker 1
I think it is a, a rational and logical philosophy,
but it is one that, that does not get, that, that's basically saying, hey, we don't know what the answer is, but let's try to find out. Do you feel
Speaker 3
like you know part of the answer?
Speaker 1
Yeah, I think, you know, we, as humans collectively know part of the answer, but only a small part, small part at this point. if we can make civilization last for, I don't know, like a million years or something, you know, that would, we probably will know much more of the answer.
And, and, I'd, I'd, I'd date civilization from, like I said, the first writing, it was like 5,000 years ago, just practically no time at all.
so if we were to last a million more years,
Then, then like we're barely at the beginning of civilization.
Speaker 2
Yeah, that's true now, I also think about. Like,
Speaker 1
like if, if civilization does last millions, we will be seen, they'll think of us as like
ancient, ancient, like we would be like caveman and everything, you know? Pretty much, yeah.
Speaker 2
How probable, how probable do you think that is? That we last another million years? I think it's probable. If we get to Mars and start expanding even to other planets.
Speaker 1
If, if we, if we, if we make, if we make Mars multi-planetary, like if we make Mars a self-sustaining civilization, like a city, I think the probable lifespan of humanity is very long. If we don't, if we never expand beyond Earth,
then I don't think the civil, that, that this lifespan of, of humanity will be long. What do you think it would be? So you
Speaker 5
think Earth's coming to an end?
Speaker 1
Oh, that is a certainty, just a question of when.
Speaker 5
Oh my goodness. How so? Like natural, naturally or man-made.
Speaker 3
I like believe everything this guy says. There's a lot of factors. Yeah, he's right. Seems like he knows what he's doing, you know.
Speaker 1
Well, I mean, the, the, the sun is gradually expanding and, and the sun, so if nothing else happens, the sun will expand and boil the oceans and kill all life on Earth. That is a certainty. That's a certainty. That's a certainty. Well,
Speaker 2
how far, how far
Speaker 1
are we out from that? Wait, cause
Speaker 5
the sun's expanding, like it's growing? Yeah,
Speaker 1
it's expanding. It's very slowly. Now, incrementally, don't hold your breath on this one, but,
you know, things could get a bit dicey in 500 million years.
like, you know, so.
Speaker 5
When are they predicting that, that, like, that growth would become like an actual threat, though?
Speaker 1
Well, it's not going to be in our lifetimes or anything close to it, but I'm just saying that, if you, if you're, look, think very long term, then, then the extinction of Earth is a certainty, if you say long term, a certainty. Because of that? If nothing else, that. But of course that, like, if, if nothing else happens to, to destroy our life on Earth, that will definitely happen.
So, now there's, like, like, if you look at the fossil record, it's worth looking at, like, the great extinction events. Just read it, just, like, read the Wikipedia page or something, you know, or read Encyclopedia Britannica, like the, like the great extinction events. In the fossil record, there are arguably five great extinction events.
And this is where, a great extinction event would be, like, I don't know, 70, 80 percent of all species on Earth are destroyed.
and there was one particular extinction, the Permian extinction, where it's, like, maybe 90, 95 percent of all species were destroyed.
which, which, frankly, doesn't tell the whole story, because most of what remained were, like, sponges and fungi and things. Like, not, you know, unless you're, are you a mushroom or a cockroach or whatever, you know, or something. It basically, No large life was survived, or almost no large life, so Permian extinction took out almost everything.
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Speaker 5
was like the craziest one?
Speaker 1
Well, like the, the most amount of species death was the Permian extinction.
I recommend just looking at reading the great, you know, From, what have we found in the fossil record about great extinctions? That, and as, like I said, generally considered to be roughly five great extinctions. Now the, that doesn't count the, the many, the many cases where entire continents were destroyed.
that happened a lot, but that, that wouldn't count as a major extinction.
so that, that happened many, many times. but like, anytime that there's a really big volcano, like Yellowstone, for example, I think is supposed to erupt every hundred thousand years or so, and that would destroy pretty much all life in America.
Speaker 2
Wow.
Speaker 1
So, yeah, now we'll see that one coming, you know, most likely. but Yellowstone's a gigantic volcano.
Speaker 4
Never knew that. Yeah,
Speaker 3
I didn't know
Speaker 4
that. Yeah.
Speaker 3
Have you been
Speaker 4
there? I've never been to Yellowstone. When's the
Speaker 3
last time a volcano erupted?
Speaker 1
Well, they erupt, you know, there's like little eruptions quite frequently. Central America, Krakatoa. There's
Speaker 4
a big one, Guatemala, I think it was like a
Speaker 1
year,
Speaker 4
maybe?
Speaker 1
Krakatoa was a real, that was a whole bunch of people down
Speaker 2
there. And Hawaii
Speaker 1
had one a couple of years ago too.
Speaker 2
Big island.
Speaker 1
Yeah, there's both volcanic, big, big volcanoes eruptions, those will, there's a plenty of those that'll take out a continent.
Earth's climate also changes pretty radically over the course of like, say, 10,000 years. you know, it can shift from being extremely hot to extremely cold and turn into a snowball.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 1
You can really go down a deep rabbit hole if you read about ice ages.
Speaker 5
Yeah. Really? Like what? The
Speaker 1
deep rabbit hole on ice ages.
Speaker 2
What's
Speaker 1
so
Speaker 2
intriguing
Speaker 1
about them?
Speaker 5
The whole earth has just been through like, the whole earth is just freezing.
Speaker 1
Like I said, this deep rabbit hole on ice ages, deep rabbit hole. Where, where should we go? There's so many, I guess, I, Wikipedia, Wikipedia, give us like a little bit of a tidbit
Speaker 5
of it.
Speaker 1
Yeah, why do you love it? Why do I love it? I mean, I think it's just interesting.
Speaker 5
So interesting.
Speaker 1
That, that, that how much Earth's climate has changed, and even where the, where the, magnetically where the poles are, have, has shifted over time. So,
you know, anyway, there's, there's also been times where, in the past where our galaxy has like collided with another galaxy, that, that probably, you know, threw things for a bit of a loop at the time.
Speaker 5
What, is there like a conspiracy when it comes to ice ages or anything like that, or? Not really,
Speaker 2
no. Oh, okay. When was the last ice age? How long ago was that?
Speaker 1
Well, we're technically in sort of an ice age right now. Although, it depends on what you call an ice age.
Speaker 2
What happened to global warming? Wait, but yeah, how so? Like, what defines an ice age at that point? Global warming's not like cool anymore, you know. It's,
Speaker 1
it's, it's a deep rabbit hole.
Speaker 2
what do you do when you go down a deep rabbit hole, though? Is it YouTube videos, books, or how do you educate yourself?
Speaker 1
Wikipedia? Yeah, books and clicking around the internet, Googling Wikipedia, you know, YouTube, whatever. so,
Twitter, can be interesting. so, the, I think there was probably something significant that happened at the, in, in the last ice age, because we don't see any evidence of writing.
I want to say, I'm using ice age in the colloquial term, but, Of like, when, when, when was it very snowy, and, and where the glaciers came down far and where, where summer was short, winter was very long. And that was about 10,000 years ago.
so, so something happened around, I think around that ice age that, because we, we see no writing, no writing before that ice age, and we, we start to see writing pop up in multiple places on Earth after that, after the most recent colloquially termed ice age.
so, yeah, like I said, there've been times when
Earth has been extremely tropical and where it's been a snowball.
but these, these tend to occur over very long periods of time. The, the global warming thing we're talking about here is, is where we're, we're just taking large amounts of carbon that was buried underground, and we are, putting it in the atmosphere and oceans. And this will naturally change, change the climate to some degree.
like, I don't think it's like the end of the world or anything, but it's gonna, it's gonna cause strife. So that's why it's good to accelerate a sustainable energy future.
Speaker 2
For sure. I know this is kind of off topic, but I, I do want to ask, completely off topic. How, how expensive is it to send one human to Mars? If you want to break it down by human?
Speaker 1
Right now it's infinity dollars. There's no price?
Yeah, infinity, Bitcoin, and dollars and everything. Meaning like no amount of money could, you could send, you cannot send someone to Mars for any amount of money right now.
now with Starship, you know, hopefully when Starship is successful, Starship will be capable of sending people to Mars. I, I think long term we could get the cost of a trip to Mars maybe under a hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3
Wow.
Speaker 1
Yeah. It's like, let me just say that it's, it's not physically impossible to achieve that.
Speaker 5
Per person or?
Speaker 1
Yeah. Oh, like a hundred thousand? But that's not that
Speaker 5
crazy to go to a fucking different planet like that. No, that's not bad. Yeah, why not? How, how, how do you,
Speaker 1
how do you, if you have a fully reusable vehicle and, and you, your propellant costs are low, then, then it is possible to achieve a cost per person number below a hundred thousand.
Speaker 2
And how many people can you fit on
Speaker 1
the space shuttle or? Well, space shuttle is not capable of going beyond Earth, but, rocket, rocket. The current version of Starship, you could, you could put a hundred people on it.
so then, you know, you'd have to get the cost of the flight below ten million dollars.
Speaker 2
How do you break that cost? I feel like it's gotta be way more expensive than that. It's like first class on Emirates. Really? No, it's like 40k, 100k. But 100k, like that's a, that's a... You haven't
Speaker 5
flown first class when Emirates, have you?
Speaker 2
No, never, but I'm saying like 100k is like a private jet from New York to Europe, right? But we're talking about taking a rocket to Mars. So how, how, how are those costs even similar?
Speaker 1
you say like, I'm, I'm saying in the, in the limit of, of affordability, is it possible to achieve a cost of a trip to Mars below 100,000 per person? I'm like, yes, it is, it is not impossible.
so, it, it basically would, like, like I said, for Starship, if you could get, if you put 100 people on board, and, and the cost per flight is, less than 10 million dollars, that's 100,000 dollars per person.
Speaker 2
Sure. So. Is that unfair though? Because you got to assume rich people. We're gonna be the guy, or the, not the guys, but the people that can afford that.
Speaker 1
Well, not necessarily. There'll be a labor shortage on Mars. So. Oh, okay. You'll probably, you know, take a loan and pay it back real fast.
but I'm just saying, like, somehow we gotta get there, and somehow we gotta get a lot of people there. So, it's gotta be funded by individuals, by individuals, governments, or, or debt, but that's, that's repaid.
somehow, it's like, gotta pay for the rocket, you know. Yeah. I need a lot of rockets. So,
but I, I'm, I'm confident that it is possible to create a self-sustaining city on Mars. Yeah.
Similar to the Earth?
Speaker 2
Eventually. In terms of restaurants, clubs, all that? Maybe, maybe you start with, like, the, the coolest hotel, club, and restaurant ever. Then you entice people to go there.
Speaker 3
Nice golf courses too. Yeah.
Speaker 1
Yeah, I mean, the golf ball would go much further on, on Mars. It's only, it's only like, like 37, 38% of Earth's gravity. So you'd be able to like, I don't know, jump more than twice as high.
Speaker 3
Yeah, you'd probably bout, hit that ball like 500 yards. Yeah,
Speaker 2
or go far. Do you think, like, exclusivity would make people want to go to Mars even more? It's going to be exclusive no matter what.
Speaker 5
Bro, there's enough people that want, if there's only 100 people, it's going to be a huge loss. But I,
Speaker 1
what I mean by like. But you have, in order for it to be self-sustaining, you've got to have like a million people, so. A million? I think so. I mean,
to have, to self-sustaining, to build like. Wait, you don't need to self-sustain. Self-sustaining means like, like, if the ships from Earth stop coming for any reason. Does the, does the city die out or not? That's a hard, that's a hard, that's a high bar. You know, that's why you can't be missing anything.
Speaker 5
Oh wow, I didn't know a million, that's crazy. So I think it's probably at least a million. Do you golf? No. Oh.
Speaker 2
People can live there, that's before when you don't need resources from the earth, right?
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying, I'm saying in order to make it self-sustaining, but in, in order for, in order to ensure humanity's future for a long time, it's got, you got to have a self-sustaining city. if it's dependent on earth, then you're still like, okay, if something bad happens to earth, then Mars is going to die out too. Sure. So, to make it self-sustaining is where, that's, that's the real threshold that matters.
Speaker 5
How long when it's like, when it's all said and done, like, how long would a trip take?
Speaker 1
Well, right now a trip would take six months, but I think you could get the trip under three months. Six months? Yeah. Under three months is not bad. I
Speaker 3
thought
Speaker 1
it was years. No, Earth and Mars only align every two years. So, Earth and Mars are only like the same, called the same quadrant of the solar system every two years. So, planets only line up every two years, but then it's like a six-month journey.
Speaker 4
So, that's the only time you could go, when they're aligned?
Speaker 1
Yeah, because sometimes Mars is on the other side of the sun, you know, unless you're going to go through the sun, it's not going to happen. Yeah. So, if, if, yeah, so,
they need to be in the same quadrant taking into account the, how the planets move relative to one another. Wow. So, so you only have a short way to come back. Earth is, zipping around the, you know, zips around the sun every year, and Mars is about every two years. You got to wait two years
Speaker 2
to come back? But it is crazy, you got to spend, right now you said six months on a rocket. With 100 people, right? What does that look like?
You think people lose their minds?
Speaker 1
Yeah, what do, what do they do for that whole six months? I mean, they did ocean voyages back in the day that were like six months, you know, on a little ship in the middle of the ocean.
They, you know, admittedly a lot of people died. But, you know,
they're, like, they definitely were, they were sailing journeys that were more than six months in all times
on, on really tiny ships.
Speaker 2
Six months on a rocket, you'd have to, that'd be like a mental, that's a mental thing you really gotta overcome. Six months ago was,
Speaker 3
well, being in a rocket. Yeah.
Speaker 8
You gotta bring some chicks
Speaker 2
up in there, too.
Speaker 8
I mean, if I go up there, you said 100 people, so if we go with 99 chicks, then you're good. You need, you need at least more than half, yeah, and then I'll be in there for six
Speaker 4
months, for sure. that's why you got Starlink,
right? Does
Speaker 2
the rocket have Wi-Fi?
Speaker 1
yeah, although, Starlink, you're, you're, the speed of light actually becomes an issue, if you start getting far away from Earth.
so, in rough terms, at closest approach, Mars is four light minutes away from Earth.
Speaker 2
Okay.
Speaker 1
And furthest approach maybe is like 20 minutes, roughly.
so that means there could be times where, like a round trip to communicate with Mars takes 40 minutes.
best case is gonna be eight minutes-ish.
How do you make
Speaker 8
sure people
Speaker 3
are repopulating?
Speaker 1
You mean of Earth or Mars?
Speaker 3
Mars.
Speaker 1
I don't know. hopefully they do have a lot of kids.
Speaker 5
Sex? Yeah.
Speaker 1
Yeah? Hopefully they have a lot of kids on Mars.
Speaker 5
Yeah, what would the laws be like?
Speaker 1
I know, it's like a whole new place. Maybe we should ban
Speaker 8
condoms completely from marriage. We should make 69 laws.
Speaker 1
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 8
Oh my,
Speaker 2
imagine Elon making the laws. That would be awesome. He's working on it. If you're the first one there, you get that, you get that authority,
Speaker 1
right? I don't know. I mean, I just think it's like important that we make life multiplanetary
while it's still possible to do so, because we just can't count on, we can't count on, on humanity being able to
make life multiplanetary forever. Like I said, that window of opportunity, it could be open for a long time, it could be open for a short time, but we should assume that is open for a short time. So,
just to be, you know, to be safe, I think we should assume the window of opportunity is short. And, you know, at some point there's going to be a third world war, you know? Yeah, of course. yeah. You know, and after World War III, you know, who knows what's left after World War III?
Speaker 2
I think that's something that does nuclear warfare.
Speaker 1
It could. so there's arguably this like, you know, there's arguably this, this, this race between do we become a multi-planet species or World War III, which one is first? And if World War III is first, maybe we never get to another planet.
Speaker 4
You know.
Speaker 3
Shit.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Sleep, not sleeping tonight.
Speaker 3
A lot of the information, man, that you're saying, yeah, I'm probably not going to sleep. Yeah. It's already out here. A lot of the things that you've been saying, it's
Speaker 2
really, really interesting. It seems like, it's scary, but like, it seems like World War III, nuclear war could happen anytime. Yeah, you got to live in reality, right? Under that assumption, do we have a secret rocket that's ready to go to send people to Mars, just in case?
Speaker 4
Nope.
Speaker 2
Not yet. Not yet.
Speaker 4
Just gotta get a boxable in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 1
I mean, SpaceX, we're trying to hustle with the rocket and get it, get, get it working, but we, you know, we gotta make it, we gotta get to orbit in the first place, and then we gotta make it reusable. Like, so that's really important. if the rockets are expendable, then the cost is crazy. so you gotta have it be reusable like an airplane, like, you know, it comes back, you refuel it, and go again type of thing.
Speaker 2
How much of the rocket
Speaker 1
can
Speaker 2
you reuse?
Speaker 1
Yeah. That's
Speaker 2
crazy.
Speaker 1
If, if, Starship will really be quite a big breakthrough if it's the first fully reusable rocket, orbital rocket. I mean, that's a profound breakthrough. The destiny of humanity will fundamentally change, at the point at which Starship Demonstrates full and rapid reusability.
Speaker 4
Correct me if I'm wrong, but SpaceX is the first that made the reusable rocket, right? Like NASA, no one ever else.
Speaker 1
Yeah, fully reusable. Well, I mean, the space shuttle was partially reusable. you know, the orbiter, the, the aircraft looking thing came, came back, but the, the big external tank, the, you know, big orange tank that, which was also the primary airframe or the, like the primary load-bearing structure as to which the solid rocket boosters attached, that, that did not come back, which is very expensive.
Yes, they thought it wouldn't be expensive, but it turned out to be very expensive.
so the shuttle, also the parts of the shuttle that were reusable were very difficult to reuse. So,
like the, the orbiter, the, the aircraft looking thing, that took a lot of effort to refurbish between flights. And the solid rocket booster shells, it's not clear that those ever made sense to reuse.
So the thing that matters is, is full and rapid reusability.
but like basically where you don't do anything between flights except refill the tanks.
now with Falcon 9, what SpaceX has done with Falcon 9 that's notable is that Falcon 9 is the first case where reusability actually made any sense, like where, where the reusability was,
you know, economically sensible. so the, the, the Falcon 9 boosters, we've reflowed those a lot at this point. We've landed them a lot, like over a hundred times.
Of, and, and individual boosters have flown, I think, thirteen times at this point.
And the nose cone or the fairing, we've gotten the fairing back now over a hundred times. So We've achieved reusability of everything except the upper stage with Falcon 9, and we've demonstrated, economically viable reusability. So that's the most significant thing that SpaceX has done.
now the Starlink global internet system will also be very significant,
and that is intended to generate enough revenue to pay for the Mars ships. So with assuming Starlink is successful, it should generate enough revenue to pay for enough ships to get humanity to Mars and the moon as well.
Speaker 3
Yeah, a lot of knowledge, man. That leaks. It's crazy.
Speaker 1
Yeah, so that's the intent. we're a, we're a long way to go, so, it's not like, it's not like it's in the bag or anything.
Speaker 5
So either we get to Mars or if Putin gets out of hand, we send Elon in to walrus him? Yeah. We got the Dana White Connect, we can make it happen. Yeah, the walrus, I think that's probably our best, our best chance. That
was awesome. Yeah, I think we're good, Elon, we really appreciate this. I mean, you're so much. It's been a, it's been a blast. Yeah, thank you, man. We really appreciate it. Yeah, let's go hang out. Elon to go. Thank you, I really appreciate
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