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Why Did American Companies Skip Free Frontier Models?

Anastasios Angelopoulos says American companies largely skipped giving frontier models away, because spending $5 billion to train one and then releasing it free sounds like a stupid idea. Chinese companies can make a release like that because corporate dynamics in China are different. In the US the open problem was how to earn back the money spent on training.

People are trying two approaches. One is a license that is partly open source, with revenue thresholds. If a product using the model clears $20 million in revenue, the lab takes a revenue share, and an inference provider that wants to serve the model shares revenue as well. The other approach, becoming more common at Reflection and Mistral, is to offer the model as open source, get inside companies, and build an AI modernization business around the model.

A path toward getting paid is starting to show. Earlier, monetizing the model was not clear.

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The AI Race Has a Leaderboard | Arena CEO Anastasios Angelopoulos ·

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  2. Why Is a Chinese Model Number One on Arena's Web Leaderboard?Anastasios Angelopoulos says a Chinese model is number one on Arena's web development leaderboard because Chinese labs are doing more than distilling American…
  3. How Fast Did Arena Reach a Hundred Million in Revenue?Anastasios Angelopoulos says the evaluation product Arena sells to labs scaled to over a hundred million in revenue in eight months.
  4. Why Do People Problems Take More Time at Arena?Anastasios Angelopoulos loves the chief executive role at Arena because it puts him with people from every kind of work, and because the job is to deal with…
  5. What Happens to Money When Labor Splits From Capital?Joubin Mirzadegan says the real question is what happens to money once labor splits from capital.
  6. Is One Model Provider Enough for Arena?Anastasios Angelopoulos says Arena sucks with only one model provider. With two providers, Arena is barely making it.
  7. How Long Did Anastasios Angelopoulos's Wife Cry After Her Father Died?Anastasios Angelopoulos says his wife cried every day for many months after her father died suddenly in Serbia, then every two days maybe six months later…
  8. Did Arena Favor Closed Models Over Open Ones?Anastasios Angelopoulos says Arena has always been fair to everybody. A coalition of MIT and Stanford looked like a reputable source.
  9. What Does Grit Mean When the Mission Comes First?Anastasios Angelopoulos thinks of grit as people who never give up. Day in and day out they come in with their nose to the grindstone.

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