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Why Is Zero to One Harder Than Scaling?

Jesse Zhang says the zero-to-one phase is by far the hardest stage of a company, and he calls it awful. Every stage has challenges, and none of the later ones match the early stretch.

The work does not feel different from one day to the next, the way getting taller does not announce itself on a single morning. The feeling changes once, when a company leaves the idea maze and starts scaling. After zero to one, the tasks are different and the general feeling stays about the same. A fast-growing company is still not easy every day, and he treats the pace as the work they wanted. At his last company he stayed in the first phase for maybe three years. He was about 20 and a new graduate, and the team worked hard on ideas that a little more thought would have shown were bad. The later stage is easier to appreciate because he already lived through a long first phase.

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  1. When Did Decagon's New Office Feel Too Big?Jesse Zhang felt Decagon's new office was too big the moment the team moved in.
  2. How Did Decagon Grow From 50 to 500 People?Jesse Zhang says Decagon went from roughly 50 or 60 people to 500 in about the last year, close to a 10x jump. A year ago the headcount was something like 50.
  3. Why Does Jesse Zhang Call Saturday Wife Day?Jesse Zhang keeps Saturday as wife day because he and his co-founder are in every day except Saturday, and that one day has to stay free of work.
  4. How Did Decagon Exit the Idea Maze in Three Weeks?Jesse Zhang says Decagon got out of the idea maze in roughly three weeks, maybe a bit longer.
  5. How Many People Have Left Decagon to Start Companies?Jesse Zhang says very few people have left Decagon, a few have gone to start their own companies, and even in a downturn it will still be pretty easy to start…
  6. How Does Decagon's AI Customer Support Work?Jesse Zhang says Decagon's customer support AI is built, tested, and monitored inside the product, so the customer owns the results and the process.
  7. Should I Know My Co-founder for Five Years?Jesse Zhang says wanting the same things out of life matters more than knowing a co-founder for five years.
  8. Can 200 People Eat Dinner Together?Jesse Zhang says a team of 200 people cannot eat dinner together anymore. Catering has one clear value: everyone eats at the same time.
  9. When Does Office Politics Start?Jesse Zhang says office politics starts as soon as there is a team.

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