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The Science of Sleep: What Matthew Walker and Other Experts Say on Podcasts

Sleep comes up on podcasts constantly, and few guests explain it as clearly as Matthew Walker, the UC Berkeley neuroscientist and author of Why We Sleep. He has walked through the research on the TED stage, on The Joe Rogan Experience and on The Peter Attia Drive, and other shows have covered sleep from the side of parents, founders and scientists. This page brings 15 of those moments together. Each note is one question with a short answer and the exact minute it comes up in the episode, so you can hear the full explanation in the speaker's own words. The notes are grouped into three parts: how much sleep you need, what happens when you don't get enough, and practical habits for sleeping better. These are summaries of what guests said on air, not medical advice. If you're struggling with sleep, talk to a doctor.

How much sleep do you need?

  1. How Much Sleep Should You Get For Optimal Performance

    Walker's benchmark is that performance measurably drops below seven hours, so he recommends seven to nine.

    The Joe Rogan Experience · Matthew Walker - Sleep is your super power · at 40:15

  2. How Much Sleep Should Kids Be Getting

    A simple test for parents: a child who wakes up on their own without an alarm is probably getting enough.

    The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Peaceful Parenting · at 1:25:33

  3. What Are Unique Sleep Challenges That Only Apply To Founders

    Steli and Hiten explain why always-on founders often get by on five or six hours.

    The Startup Chat with Steli and Hiten · Thoughts on Sleep for Founders · at 2:02

  4. Why Are We Still So Sleepy When We Wake Up

    A guest on Bill Nye's show explains why the brain needs about half an hour to fully switch on after waking.

    Science Rules! with Bill Nye · What's on Your Mind in That Brain of Yours? · at 38:35

What happens when you don't sleep enough

  1. Why Do We Need Sleep For Our Brain

    Walker describes a study in which sleep-deprived students showed a 40% deficit in forming new memories.

    TED Talks Daily · Sleep is your superpower by Matt Walker · at 1:27

  2. How Does Sleep Deprivation Impact Our Immune System

    He says even one night of four hours' sleep measurably weakens the immune system.

    TED Talks Daily · Sleep is your superpower by Matt Walker · at 9:51

  3. Are Aging, Dementia And Alzheimers Related

    Walker points to research linking disrupted deep sleep to memory decline.

    TED Talks Daily · Sleep is your superpower by Matt Walker · at 6:01

  4. What Happens When Your Body Undergoes Sleep Deprivation

    Short sleep sends the brain a false starvation signal, which drives hunger up.

    The Peter Attia Drive · AMA with sleep expert Matthew Walker · at 21:31

  5. What Is The Best Performance Enhancement Drug

    Walker calls sleep the greatest legal performance enhancer and explains what short sleep does to athletes.

    The Joe Rogan Experience · Matthew Walker - Sleep is your super power · at 37:54

How to sleep better

  1. How Can I Fix My Sleep

    His two biggest tips are a regular schedule and a cool bedroom, around 65°F.

    TED Talks Daily · Sleep is your superpower by Matt Walker · at 14:16

  2. How Does Light Impact Our Sleep

    Why an hour of reading on a tablet at night can push back melatonin by hours.

    The Joe Rogan Experience · Matthew Walker - Sleep is your super power · at 54:17

  3. Why Does Eating Carbs Before Bed Make It Harder To Sleep

    Carbs raise core body temperature, which needs to fall for sleep, so lean toward protein if you're hungry.

    The Peter Attia Drive · AMA with sleep expert Matthew Walker · at 16:04

  4. What Is The Optimum Time To Stop Eating Before Bed

    Walker's rule of thumb is to stop about three hours before bed and go to bed neither too full nor too hungry.

    The Peter Attia Drive · AMA with sleep expert Matthew Walker · at 16:06

  5. Are Sleeping Pills Any Good

    Walker's short answer: sleeping pills don't produce natural sleep.

    TED Talks Daily · Sleep is your superpower by Matt Walker · at 7:29

  6. What Levels Of Sleep Do Devices Such As Aura, Whoop, Fitbit, And Apple Watch Detect

    Sleep trackers do a decent job measuring how long you slept but struggle to tell sleep stages apart.

    The Peter Attia Drive · AMA with sleep expert Matthew Walker · at 11:00